FRC Rule Changes

[kot]

Oct 18, 2024 11:08:48 GMT kot said:

To be honest, I had been only paying a small bit of attention to this and hearing about it in various radio shows / podcasts. But with the games on this weekend I had a look and read some of what the brain trust came up with and their rationale.

Will be interesting to see these games somewhat but they are glorified exhibitions for everyone but the Ulster lads. So the holes will only be picked in it when it comes to competition. So, the 7 key rule changes we are going to see.

1. 1V1 throw ins: yeah, no issue with that. Less nonsense between the 2 spares not jumping.

2. Kick out's must go beyond the 40m arc. Players must remain 13m from the ball but may stay inside the 20m line: Absolute headscratcher and counter productive. Isnt one (of the many) blights in the modern game the short tap kick out and slow build up? People wanted more blood and guts kicking to players out the pitch. A back will just get ahead of their forward and pick up a short tap by the keeper and status quo maintained?

3. The Keeper: the goalkeeper can receive the ball from a teammate inside his own half only when both players are inside the large rectangle. He may also receive a pass from a teammate after crossing the halfway line.. Again, counter productive, teams will work the ball inside the opposition half - play sideways and backwards until their keeper saunters up to be an extra man??!!

4. Solo and Go: Yep, on board

5. 3 players in each half: Cop out, why not in the 45/65? And by allowing the keeper to come up and play the overload as in 2 its a complete hash up.

6. Advanced Mark from kicks outside the 45 inside the 21: Yep, thats how the bloody thing should have been done in the first place

7. 40 metre arc: Makes sense from play but from placed balls? Again pandering to keepers who will saunter up and eat into the time which is another issue. Maybe will discourage tactical fouls outside the arc? I can see pros and cons

A lot of the tweaks to these roles seem to be pandering to the modern goalkeeper and kick out systems of running slow build up teams that are the cause of this eyesore of gaelic football today. Which is the exact opposite of what this group were meant to have been combatting over the last 18 months?

Mind you, under our current mgmt it is exactly what we have become anyway bar the roving keeper!

I think they have missed a trick a bit, but again its the elephant in the room of "what will get through congress rather than the best thing to do". They really need to push a motion through congress that a 51% majority is enough to get something through...... but would get that the majority through congr..... ahhh jesus I dunno, my head is fried

not to come across as some sort of narccisit quoting my own post but ..... But

3. The Keeper: the goalkeeper can receive the ball from a teammate inside his own half only when both players are inside the large rectangle. He may also receive a pass from a teammate after crossing the halfway line.. Again, counter productive, teams will work the ball inside the opposition half - play sideways and backwards until their keeper saunters up to be an extra man??!!

5. 3 players in each half: Cop out, why not in the 45/65? And by allowing the keeper to come up and play the overload as in 2 its a complete hash up.

All it took was 2 games to convince me this was the case. The end of the game with Morgan unable to pressured from men behind him just tippy tappy the ball over and back? Wasnt that the whole awful spectacle this FRC was designed for - improve the game and make it a better watch, this flipping crack is what makes it such a bore! Make the game better. We saw it too in the first game, ball retention around the arc. Wait for the overload from an oncoming keeper.

The arc and 4 points defo made it interesting, the kick outs actually seemed to work better than I thought. Tap & Go was good to. Defo sped things up but like I said, after one game the keepers & coaches have it figured out.

We also saw a serious amount of players getting past the arc and instead of continuing on their momentum, check back and recycle it. So even the 4 point carrot not enough to get most lads out of the way they have these robot systems drilled into them

[ciarraimick]

Oct 19, 2024 13:07:38 GMT kot said:

Oct 18, 2024 11:08:48 GMT kot said:

To be honest, I had been only paying a small bit of attention to this and hearing about it in various radio shows / podcasts. But with the games on this weekend I had a look and read some of what the brain trust came up with and their rationale.

Will be interesting to see these games somewhat but they are glorified exhibitions for everyone but the Ulster lads. So the holes will only be picked in it when it comes to competition. So, the 7 key rule changes we are going to see.

1. 1V1 throw ins: yeah, no issue with that. Less nonsense between the 2 spares not jumping.

2. Kick out's must go beyond the 40m arc. Players must remain 13m from the ball but may stay inside the 20m line: Absolute headscratcher and counter productive. Isnt one (of the many) blights in the modern game the short tap kick out and slow build up? People wanted more blood and guts kicking to players out the pitch. A back will just get ahead of their forward and pick up a short tap by the keeper and status quo maintained?

3. The Keeper: the goalkeeper can receive the ball from a teammate inside his own half only when both players are inside the large rectangle. He may also receive a pass from a teammate after crossing the halfway line.. Again, counter productive, teams will work the ball inside the opposition half - play sideways and backwards until their keeper saunters up to be an extra man??!!

4. Solo and Go: Yep, on board

5. 3 players in each half: Cop out, why not in the 45/65? And by allowing the keeper to come up and play the overload as in 2 its a complete hash up.

6. Advanced Mark from kicks outside the 45 inside the 21: Yep, thats how the bloody thing should have been done in the first place

7. 40 metre arc: Makes sense from play but from placed balls? Again pandering to keepers who will saunter up and eat into the time which is another issue. Maybe will discourage tactical fouls outside the arc? I can see pros and cons

A lot of the tweaks to these roles seem to be pandering to the modern goalkeeper and kick out systems of running slow build up teams that are the cause of this eyesore of gaelic football today. Which is the exact opposite of what this group were meant to have been combatting over the last 18 months?

Mind you, under our current mgmt it is exactly what we have become anyway bar the roving keeper!

I think they have missed a trick a bit, but again its the elephant in the room of "what will get through congress rather than the best thing to do". They really need to push a motion through congress that a 51% majority is enough to get something through...... but would get that the majority through congr..... ahhh jesus I dunno, my head is fried

not to come across as some sort of narccisit quoting my own post but ..... But

3. The Keeper: the goalkeeper can receive the ball from a teammate inside his own half only when both players are inside the large rectangle. He may also receive a pass from a teammate after crossing the halfway line.. Again, counter productive, teams will work the ball inside the opposition half - play sideways and backwards until their keeper saunters up to be an extra man??!!

5. 3 players in each half: Cop out, why not in the 45/65? And by allowing the keeper to come up and play the overload as in 2 its a complete hash up.

All it took was 2 games to convince me this was the case. The end of the game with Morgan unable to pressured from men behind him just tippy tappy the ball over and back? Wasnt that the whole awful spectacle this FRC was designed for - improve the game and make it a better watch, this flipping crack is what makes it such a bore! Make the game better. We saw it too in the first game, ball retention around the arc. Wait for the overload from an oncoming keeper.

The arc and 4 points defo made it interesting, the kick outs actually seemed to work better than I thought. Tap & Go was good to. Defo sped things up but like I said, after one game the keepers & coaches have it figured out.

We also saw a serious amount of players getting past the arc and instead of continuing on their momentum, check back and recycle it. So even the 4 point carrot not enough to get most lads out of the way they have these robot systems drilled into them

Good post Kot but on the "keep ball",im afraid thats here to stay as while its boring to watch its effective in rolling down the clock.
While Tyrone and Donegal get the blame for defensive tactics it was Kerry who started the keep ball tactics under Pat O Shea in 2007.No coincidence Pat was a great basketball player and its a basketball tactic.
Dublin then brought it to a new level under Jim Gavin.Sometimes the fear of losing is greater than the pull of winning.
On yesterdays games i did think the longer kickout is better and ironically the keeper that struggled most last night was Cluxton who had a "mare"with kickouts"
Its early days yet and I ll hold my council till I see the league games where there will be more physicality and bite.

[veteran]

I am old school and most people in that category dislike change . Still, the evidence is there that our game is losing its entertainment value. It is all well and good to say that if football was played like it was between Dingle and East Kerry there would be no need to tamper with the rules. I am with you there. But the painfully , lamentable fact is that we very rarely see a quality game like that at either club or intercounty level.

As most people say, it is too early to judge. In that context, isn’t it a shame that the preseason competitions have been dispensed with. They would have been ideal to further road test the proposals and get the players acclimatized.

The first impressions is that you get a faster game and more kick passing. Players tiring as a result of this ? Theoretically this will impact both teams equally so that is not an issue. But, to combat this, please don’t introduce this idea of rolling substitutions. We are going to be confused enough with what is being proposed and of course the rolling substitutes idea confers an unfair advantage on the teams with the stronger panels. We do not want to further increase the disparity between teams.

I do not see the need for two point frees and , above all , the need for two point forty fives.

One of the proposals that amuses me and is proof that if an old rule was implemented there would be no need for change in that instance. This concerns the throw in. It is only in the past couple of years that we have this unsightly grappling between two players at the throw in. It gradually crept in and now, as often happens, the referee turns a blind eye. You do not need to invent the wheel to address this issue. Referee it the way a line out is refereed in rugby. Interfere with the jump of your opponent and you are penalized. Too simple I suppose.

In any case, far too soon to be dogmatic. Tonight’s game should enlighten us further.

[kerryexile]

I thought there were lot of positives from a Kerry point of view. It was reassuring to hear Eamonn say that Diarmuid’s kicking game was as good as ever, even if the attack didn’t always result in a score. It was great to see Killian opt to take the free from outside “2 point arc” and convert it. A few found out that it is not that easy to put over the 2 pointers.

The game was a much better spectacle for the neutral fan which was a large part of what they were trying to achieve. Keeping the 3 back and the 3 forward meant that the middle third was not totally congested and play flowed.

It was interesting to hear Micheál (the main TG4 man) say, when interviewing someone before the 1st game, that when the committee asked all the counties for a response to the proposed changes, most of the responses from Ulster counties said that there was no need for any change. I agree with Royal about the two Armagh players. They actually supported their dislike for the changes by saying that there was a lack of “contact” under the new rules. The use of the word “contact” reminded me of Darragh against Armagh in 2002.

The 4 quarters must go, there is too much stop – start, 15 minutes is not enough for a team to establish a pattern.
It is too soon to know if 4 points for a goal is too much. The 2 points change is good and will disadvantage teams that keep recycling repeatedly to get the unmissable shot from the D.

Regarding fitness, it looks like the work horse muscles of the gym will be less needed and it will be a game for light footed thoroughbreds. A positive change.

Paudie would never be one of the inside forwards. He is a ground coverer, and would actually flourish even better than before with less traffic in the middle third.

[givehimaball]

Based on the three games I've seen so far, I'll be very shocked if the whole range of rules aren't passed and in place for the league. If for some strange reason all these rules aren't passed this year I would imagine it will be a fait accompli that those that aren't passed this year will be passed in a year's time anyway.

There are a couple of things I would have very small quibbles with [for a foul like Small's yellow card I would say that the free should have been brought forward 50 metres] but overall the game under these new rules is a far better and fairer game than gives the advantage towards those teams who go out and play attacking football as opposed to making life easy for sides who want to slow things down/hold possession/delay/take as few risks as possible.

[mike70]

Oct 19, 2024 13:41:19 GMT kerryexile said:

I thought there were lot of positives from a Kerry point of view. It was reassuring to hear Eamonn say that Diarmuid’s kicking game was as good as ever, even if the attack didn’t always result in a score. It was great to see Killian opt to take the free from outside “2 point arc” and convert it. A few found out that it is not that easy to put over the 2 pointers.

The game was a much better spectacle for the neutral fan which was a large part of what they were trying to achieve. Keeping the 3 back and the 3 forward meant that the middle third was not totally congested and play flowed.

It was interesting to hear Micheál (the main TG4 man) say, when interviewing someone before the 1st game, that when the committee asked all the counties for a response to the proposed changes, most of the responses from Ulster counties said that there was no need for any change. I agree with Royal about the two Armagh players. They actually supported their dislike for the changes by saying that there was a lack of “contact” under the new rules. The use of the word “contact” reminded me of Darragh against Armagh in 2002.

The 4 quarters must go, there is too much stop – start, 15 minutes is not enough for a team to establish a pattern.
It is too soon to know if 4 points for a goal is too much. The 2 points change is good and will disadvantage teams that keep recycling repeatedly to get the unmissable shot from the D.

Regarding fitness, it looks like the work horse mussels of the gym will be less needed and it will be a game for light footed thoroughbreds. A positive change.

Paudie would never be one of the inside forwards. He is a ground coverer, and would actually flourish even better than before with less traffic in the middle third.

The 4 quarters are only for the trial games, won’t be used in the future.

[dano]

I watched the Leinster Munster game. There was some great football played with the added bonus of an exciting finish . Killian got MOM and it was a nice touch by his interviewer to mention Adrian's and Stephen's retirements. All in all I think the rules will compliment good forwards and high fielders. The stop clock for black cards and the subs and injuries is a keeper. I wonder if the refs in the national League and championship will be as strict with the rules as the guy today was?. Linesmen will have to be more vigilant and should be in constant communication with the ref regarding the 3 back and 3 forward rule. I feel the ref having a mike that we could all hear is a great advantage as well.
Something had to be done to invigorate Gaelic Football. Cynicism and blanket defenses are ruining the game as a spectacle.

[The16thMan]

Missed the Munster game, but any game that ends 1-19 to 1-15 (albeit with a few 2 pointers added to the scoreline), must be considered a good game especially the way these games are only 60 minutes.

So far, the Connacht & Ulster game is quiet enjoyable with a half time score of 2-06 (14) to 0-11. Definitely more emphasis on attacking. And no matter how negative some people can be surrounding the changes, they can't honestly say the current game is more entertaining.

** Connacht 4-15 (31) to Ulster 2-23 (31) - 60 minute game. How can people say these rules don't make the game more entertaining. Ulster 2 points down, last minute goal which they thought would win them the game by 2 points until Johnny Heaney kicked a 2 pointer on the hooter to equalise **

This weekend we've had 15 goals in 4 games. After watching the games this weekend it makes me a lot more excited around the League next spring, hopefully the rules are voted in.

[blacksheep21]

This was a challenge game so would read very little into it. Challenge games under the previous rules would likely be equally entertaining.

[The16thMan]

Oct 19, 2024 20:24:38 GMT blacksheep21 said:

This was a challenge game so would read very little into it. Challenge games under the previous rules would likely be equally entertaining.

We'll see next April after the league I guess. But for now I would hold a positive outlook.

[veteran]

I didn’t see the Munster/Leinster match but I thoroughly enjoyed the Ulster/Connaught contest, and entertaining contest it was. I accept that one swallow does not a summer make but so far, so promising.

There were times when teams engaged in the boring cross field passing , not nearly as much as before, and in that context I think that forbidding the goalie to come outfield might reduce that dull facet of the game. His coming out gives a team the advantage of an extra man which facilitates this cross field passing.

As always , Eamon Fitzmaurice was a joy in his role as co-commentator.

[blacksheep21]

Oct 19, 2024 21:16:13 GMT veteran said:

I didn’t see the Munster/Leinster match but I thoroughly enjoyed the Ulster/Connaught contest, and entertaining contest it was. I accept that one swallow does not a summer make but so far, so promising.

There were times when teams engaged in the boring cross field passing , not nearly as much as before, and in that context I think that forbidding the goalie to come outfield might reduce that dull facet of the game. His coming out gives a team the advantage of an extra man which facilitates this cross field passing.

As always , Eamon Fitzmaurice was a joy in his role as co-commentator.

I like Fitzmaurice as a commentator and would generally be positive towards the new rules but his incessant cheerleading for the new rules was a bit tiresome. Anytime, something good happened it was because of the new rules.

[edgeofthesquare]

Oct 19, 2024 21:23:01 GMT blacksheep21 said:

Oct 19, 2024 21:16:13 GMT veteran said:

I didn’t see the Munster/Leinster match but I thoroughly enjoyed the Ulster/Connaught contest, and entertaining contest it was. I accept that one swallow does not a summer make but so far, so promising.

There were times when teams engaged in the boring cross field passing , not nearly as much as before, and in that context I think that forbidding the goalie to come outfield might reduce that dull facet of the game. His coming out gives a team the advantage of an extra man which facilitates this cross field passing.

As always , Eamon Fitzmaurice was a joy in his role as co-commentator.

I like Fitzmaurice as a commentator and would generally be positive towards the new rules but his incessant cheerleading for the new rules was a bit tiresome. Anytime, something good happened it was because of the new rules.

Jim Gavin was worse in the first game any time a player made a mistake or a poor play he’d make sure to say that had nothing to do with the new rules !

[john4]

Oct 19, 2024 21:16:13 GMT veteran said:

I didn’t see the Munster/Leinster match but I thoroughly enjoyed the Ulster/Connaught contest, and entertaining contest it was. I accept that one swallow does not a summer make but so far, so promising.

There were times when teams engaged in the boring cross field passing , not nearly as much as before, and in that context I think that forbidding the goalie to come outfield might reduce that dull facet of the game. His coming out gives a team the advantage of an extra man which facilitates this cross field passing.

As always , Eamon Fitzmaurice was a joy in his role as co-commentator.

Really enjoyed the Ulster/Connaught match, amazing how quickly the players have adapted to the changes in the rules. It didn't seem as frantic as last night, but as was commented on TV, maybe Coppers had something to do with this.

What stood out to me tonight is how skillful the top players are, something we haven't really seen in the game previously is how technically accurate they are when given a little space. We might have criticized players before for not accurately picking a pass but they may have to deal with 2 or 3 opposition players at the same time.

I think the pressure is off the backs to a certain extent in the new rules. A bit like hurling - if the forward has the ball 1 on 1, he's expected to score. Were a defender to actually block a shot it'd be amazing, a miracle to come away with a dispossession.

Eamonn fitzmaurice's understanding and analysis of the game is a treat to hear.

I enjoyed also Faulkner's analysis of referees, and specifically with regards to club referee's who make no attempt to explain their decisions which will inevitably lead to player decent. Referees will get respect but it must be two way.

I can see most of the proposals being adopted

[powerhurl]

They were glofiried challenge games some positives but the scoring system cant be tampered with and the hand pass is the elephant in the room

[royalkerryfan]

Oct 19, 2024 21:58:17 GMT powerhurl said:

They were glofiried challenge games some positives but the scoring system cant be tampered with and the hand pass is the elephant in the room

You understand the rational in changing the scoring system ??

We are some country for *ing and moaning.

[The16thMan]

1 slightly unrelated point to the new rules, but 1 positive I found over the weekend was the positive performances of Diarmuid O'Connor & Killian Spillane with Killian even getting the MOTM in defeat against Leinster & Diarmuid getting a goal (and should have had another) against Ulster the first night. Hopefully it is a good sign for both players ahead of next years League campaign.

[kerryexile]

Oct 19, 2024 21:58:17 GMT powerhurl said:

They were glofiried challenge games some positives but the scoring system cant be tampered with and the hand pass is the elephant in the room

Good point.

On Friday evening Jim Gavin was interviewed and said that some very good coaches had looked at the game as it was played in the past and came up with very effective methods to win games, and that lead to the problems that now exist. What he didn't say was that the coaches saw the hand pass as the key to controlling the middle third and attacks that developed and that Dublin used this to the maximum. 

Maybe the GAA are using a sledge hammer to crack a nut. 

[Ballydonoghoor]

I made the comment hereunder a few days ago elsewhere and before we had an FRC thread, so I have moved it here - yip, the auld 135 with the Quickie loader did the job!

Seriously, on the face of it, the fundamentals of my yapping largely held through over the weekend.

I don't want to blow a trumpet here but having been in R&D of a sort, I found what little enough I saw at the weekend, was nothing short of mind blowing - the headline stuff told enough, and what that didn't tell, the conversations did, not so much the content as the tone!

My contention below is that 99% of us don't realise the enormity of the challenge here, and to have delivered what we saw is nothing short of a gang of geniuses ag meitheal - yip, it was absolutely oozing!

If we have a game that is sound in it's fundamentals within 2 years it will have been the fastest successful R&D program in the history of mankind. Ah this crazy stuff would be my thing and while some may feel that given who was involved it 's no surprise, trust me, it still is!

I'm not sure how to interpret the low attendance and maybe it's people leaving it to the experts and which is delegation in itself, all good! That last thing you'd want is a bunch of smart asses (like myself!!!) throwing in their tuppence worth just to have their voice heard.

Anyway well done to all and what a great GAA weekend.

*****
Oct 17, 2024 at 1:48pm

By any standards this is a significant R&D (Research & Development) program, a journey into the unknown and I'd stand back and give them all the space they need and in absolutely every respect - you cannot hurry creativity and we are so fortunate to have the very best people involved!

If they have ironed out major issues in say 2 years I'd say it was the fastest bit of R&D ever done. The cycle in industry takes decades but as MOM would say, 'Lazarus was a great man but he couldn't kick points like Colin Corkery!'

Corporations have teams of experts and not alone is their 'product', well, insignificant by comparison to the greatest games on earth, it is also infinitely less complex - the best products are simple, not so the greatest and that's the challenge here. This is not a pound of butter or a sausage or a gadget - we are dealing with human behaviour here, how elite sports people behave at their peak, representing their clan, against, well opposing elite, clans .. think about it - frightening really!

This reminds of golf, some posh dude taking half an hour to hit a ball, takes a tea and fag, cigar break in the process, all to find a stationary target - the studying, you'd swear he was building a sky scraper with all the antics. In GAA you don't get the ball out of the bag, you risk life and limb in the shrapnel to get your greedy paws on it, 15 bucks trying to kill you, and that's the easy part - you must then put it on the plate of the gobby latchico roaring for it as he duracells towards the goals! The only smoke here is burning rubber, intensive care, uncivil human rights, active service, frenemies - peace between wars.. ah if it ain't dangerous, there's no thrill. Don't try this at home, give us a break!

We of course have teams of hurlers of the ditch and where doubt is the cancer of creativity - trust me, I know! It's not so much the doubt in the FRC (Football Review Committee) as those involved wouldn't care, shouldn't anyway - in cases it only mutates one's resolve, i.e. if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger. It is the seed of doubt sown in the community we have to watch out for and as a key force here this forum can play a leading role. Sure the world is full of nutters but it is the gombeen gang that supports them that throw fuel on the fire, so heed what the Ballydonoghoor says - 'the small fire keeps us warm, the big wan burns!'

I am waiting for the stage where they push what is actually a prototype to the limit, the breaking point - you need to do that to find out how strong it is and which will reveal it's durability, it's reliability - will it stand the test of time? As that drunk hoor of a poet T.S. Eliot once said , 'only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far they can go!'

Ballyfireside Quote of the day ala Albertín Einstín ó Lios Eiltín - If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be research

As our old pal Magnus 'Mastermind' Magnusson would say, 'I've started so I'll finish' - if this weekend goes smooth then either we have a right bunch of Einstíns in the FRC or else they haven't done their job, and my money is on the former!

I'd expect lots of fallouts and while the FRC mightn't say as much, they will be listening to the community, 'crowd sourcing' it is called, test marketing, a vital tool in the process!.

If we look at it in light of the above, well we will all be doing our bit to leave the GAA in a bit better than we found it, and what an honour that is!

Over to you my fellow right honourable hoors - I know you won't let the side down, yez will play a blinder!

[mossie]

did Donal Down feature?

[mike70]

Oct 20, 2024 1:14:45 GMT mossie said:

did Donal Down feature?

I did not see him over the 2 days.

[john4]

Another thought on the changes,

The new rules do create space and room to run, much more high speed running in the middle 8 than previously.

If this comes in across all ages, someone is going to have to limit the number of games players can play per week. Take a young fella going to secondary school or college, playing with the school, club, maybe development squads. And that's only playing one code. The upper body impacts won't be there but legs will need serious recovery time.

[ciarraimick]

Oct 20, 2024 7:23:18 GMT mike70 said:

Oct 20, 2024 1:14:45 GMT mossie said:

did Donal Down feature?

I did not see him over the 2 days.

Donal Down could be a trump card under the new rules.Great pace and less packed defense.

[ciarraimick]

Oct 20, 2024 7:53:54 GMT john4 said:

Another thought on the changes,

The new rules do create space and room to run, much more high speed running in the middle 8 than previously.

If this comes in across all ages, someone is going to have to limit the number of games players can play per week. Take a young fella going to secondary school or college, playing with the school, club, maybe development squads. And that's only playing one code. The upper body impacts won't be there but legs will need serious recovery time.

Good point.As it is football is more draining than hurling but now it will be even more demanding on the body.

[kerryblueboy]

The stopping the clock and spray marking the area the free is given are good ideas remember the cluxten free in the final a few years back two minutes on the clock when it was given then time up when he scored it the solo and go also a good idea hard to police though

[exiled]

Oct 18, 2024 19:18:12 GMT exiled said:

After watching the first game I can't see much improvement. The elephant in the room hasn't been addressed. Namely the handpass. Plus giving 2 points for a free from 40mts is too much. Also the restart should have to travel beyond the 45

I posted this after watching on Friday and after watching the 2nd day it's even more relevant. The biggest problem is the handpass enabling coaches to play the possession game. Restrictions on the handpass is the way forward.

[peanuts]

Oct 21, 2024 18:32:20 GMT exiled said:

Oct 18, 2024 19:18:12 GMT exiled said:

After watching the first game I can't see much improvement. The elephant in the room hasn't been addressed. Namely the handpass. Plus giving 2 points for a free from 40mts is too much. Also the restart should have to travel beyond the 45

I posted this after watching on Friday and after watching the 2nd day it's even more relevant. The biggest problem is the handpass enabling coaches to play the possession game. Restrictions on the handpass is the way forward.

How would you propose to restrict the handpass?

[brucewayne]

Oct 21, 2024 19:23:23 GMT peanuts said:

Oct 21, 2024 18:32:20 GMT exiled said:

I posted this after watching on Friday and after watching the 2nd day it's even more relevant. The biggest problem is the handpass enabling coaches to play the possession game. Restrictions on the handpass is the way forward.

How would you propose to restrict the handpass?

No handpassing between the 45s?

[mossie]

Oct 20, 2024 7:23:18 GMT mike70 said:

Oct 20, 2024 1:14:45 GMT mossie said:

did Donal Down feature?

I did not see him over the 2 days.

I saw some of the Friday night match and didnt see him

He was named in the squad, wonder what happened

[homerj]

Can't see many of the rules coming in because they will suit the bigger counties and also will be hard to police at club level.