|
|
Post by jerryewe on Nov 21, 2024 18:09:35 GMT
One thing I’ve noticed about Dublin is that no player has come into the team since 2018 and established themselves as a key player. You have the likes of Bugler & Lahiff who are in and out and Basquel & Costello who’ve stepped up from bench. There’s similarities there with the Kerry golden years teams.
|
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 21, 2024 18:35:57 GMT
One thing I’ve noticed about Dublin is that no player has come into the team since 2018 and established themselves as a key player. You have the likes of Bugler & Lahiff who are in and out and Basquel & Costello who’ve stepped up from bench. There’s similarities there with the Kerry golden years teams. Dublin are in trouble be under no illusion. They have just lost their midfield and they have no ready made replacement. Potential cluxton,Fitz,Mannion to go aswell. They are reeling in Dublin over the Fenton retirement. Paul flying calling it potentially unrecoverable and I'd agree re 2025. |
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Nov 21, 2024 19:40:03 GMT
One thing I’ve noticed about Dublin is that no player has come into the team since 2018 and established themselves as a key player. You have the likes of Bugler & Lahiff who are in and out and Basquel & Costello who’ve stepped up from bench. There’s similarities there with the Kerry golden years teams. Dublin are in trouble be under no illusion. They have just lost their midfield and they have no ready made replacement. Potential cluxton,Fitz,Mannion to go aswell. They are reeling in Dublin over the Fenton retirement. Paul flying calling it potentially unrecoverable and I'd agree re 2025. It’s Paul Flynn I feel sorry for! |
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 21, 2024 20:26:13 GMT
One thing I’ve noticed about Dublin is that no player has come into the team since 2018 and established themselves as a key player. You have the likes of Bugler & Lahiff who are in and out and Basquel & Costello who’ve stepped up from bench. There’s similarities there with the Kerry golden years teams. Well tbf Bugler is a regular but was injured for 23 final v Kerry and Lee Gannon is also a certain starter but he was also imjured last year.Other than that you are probably correct but they still have a very good team who are young enough.However there is no denying Fentons loss is huge. |
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 21, 2024 20:29:43 GMT
Was told yesterday that Cluxton has already left. That wouldn't surprise me Cluxton is no big loss to Dublin at mo.He was one of the all time greats but only average now and the loss of Fenton would affect him bigtime.He was totally lost with his long kickouts v Meath last year when Fenton was missing.Cluxtons time is well up.Even in the experimental rules he had a "mare". |
|
|
|
Post by jerryewe on Nov 21, 2024 21:13:44 GMT
One thing I’ve noticed about Dublin is that no player has come into the team since 2018 and established themselves as a key player. You have the likes of Bugler & Lahiff who are in and out and Basquel & Costello who’ve stepped up from bench. There’s similarities there with the Kerry golden years teams. Well tbf Bugler is a regular but was injured for 23 final v Kerry and Lee Gannon is also a certain starter but he was also imjured last year.Other than that you are probably correct but they still have a very good team who are young enough.However there is no denying Fentons loss is huge. For sure. I could see them being contenders in a similar way to Kerry in 2014. In transition but enough experience still available and a couple of younger players stepping up. |
|
|
|
Post by greenandgold on Nov 25, 2024 15:24:37 GMT
Anyone know if Jack Barry is likely to return or no?
|
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 25, 2024 19:05:20 GMT
Anyone know if Jack Barry is likely to return or no? Have nt heard a thing but even if he did if he was nt playing football while travelling he might find it very difficult at county level again at 30 yrs of age.However I would love to see him back and felt he was never truly appreciated until he left. |
|
|
|
Post by mainevalley on Nov 25, 2024 19:13:56 GMT
Anyone know if Jack Barry is likely to return or no? Have nt heard a thing but even if he did if he was nt playing football while travelling he might find it very difficult at county level again at 30 yrs of age.However I would love to see him back and felt he was never truly appreciated until he left. I'd say jack will work away with what he has, he isn't the type to go looking for lads. He has probably given him a deadline if he wants to play this year it's up to jack barry himself. |
|
|
|
Post by sullyschoice on Nov 25, 2024 21:44:43 GMT
I see Kerry seniors will not be going on a warm weather training camp in 2025
|
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 25, 2024 22:07:15 GMT
Have nt heard a thing but even if he did if he was nt playing football while travelling he might find it very difficult at county level again at 30 yrs of age.However I would love to see him back and felt he was never truly appreciated until he left. I'd say jack will work away with what he has, he isn't the type to go looking for lads. He has probably given him a deadline if he wants to play this year it's up to jack barry himself. Funny enough Jack has a past of looking to players that left rather than trying out new players.I always felt Jack was slow to try new players but in the past he coaxed but Mike McCarthy and Eoin Brosnan back.Jack feels safer with lads that have done it before. |
|
|
|
Post by mainevalley on Nov 25, 2024 22:20:53 GMT
I'd say jack will work away with what he has, he isn't the type to go looking for lads. He has probably given him a deadline if he wants to play this year it's up to jack barry himself. Funny enough Jack has a past of looking to players that left rather than trying out new players.I always felt Jack was slow to try new players but in the past he coaxed but Mike McCarthy and Eoin Brosnan back.Jack feels safer with lads that have done it before. Time will tell I suppose |
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 26, 2024 0:42:19 GMT
Funny enough Jack has a past of looking to players that left rather than trying out new players.I always felt Jack was slow to try new players but in the past he coaxed but Mike McCarthy and Eoin Brosnan back.Jack feels safer with lads that have done it before. Time will tell I suppose True but hope Jack B returns and sooner rather than later. |
|
mike70
Senior Member
Posts: 911
|
Post by mike70 on Nov 26, 2024 6:38:40 GMT
True but hope Jack B returns and sooner rather than later. I would be one that would like to see Jack B back as well. I fear we won’t make the semi finals this year, based on what I have seen in the club and county champs. Appreciate this won’t sit well with many, but help me understand how we will better than last year, appreciate maybe more freshness, but flogging the same 15 to 17 will kill you in the home straight, with a bunch of other teams on the verge of the elite group, one tough draw could see us out in quarters. I hope I am 100% wrong, but I just can’t see the improvement from last year. Just putting this out for debate. |
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 26, 2024 8:39:41 GMT
True but hope Jack B returns and sooner rather than later. I would be one that would like to see Jack B back as well. I fear we won’t make the semi finals this year, based on what I have seen in the club and county champs. Appreciate this won’t sit well with many, but help me understand how we will better than last year, appreciate maybe more freshness, but flogging the same 15 to 17 will kill you in the home straight, with a bunch of other teams on the verge of the elite group, one tough draw could see us out in quarters. I hope I am 100% wrong, but I just can’t see the improvement from last year. Just putting this out for debate. I would also like to see Dan O Donoghue back but altho a poster here said there was no fall out with Jack Im hearing different although it might just be rumours. On our chances next year,I ll wait till we ve played a few league games and I ll have a better idea then.Im just hoping Jack and his team have a more positive attitude. The news rules will certainly help David and Seanie and indeed the likes of Killian and Tony B too.As always we will be in the mix but we have to be more positive. Money is going on Kerry as we favourites for Sam next year in bookies.We were slight favourites to Dublin but since Fentons retirement we are clear favourites now. |
|
|
|
Post by royalkerryfan on Nov 26, 2024 8:42:05 GMT
True but hope Jack B returns and sooner rather than later. I would be one that would like to see Jack B back as well. I fear we won’t make the semi finals this year, based on what I have seen in the club and county champs. Appreciate this won’t sit well with many, but help me understand how we will better than last year, appreciate maybe more freshness, but flogging the same 15 to 17 will kill you in the home straight, with a bunch of other teams on the verge of the elite group, one tough draw could see us out in quarters. I hope I am 100% wrong, but I just can’t see the improvement from last year. Just putting this out for debate. I think there is lots of questions being asked in many counties this winter. Dublin are reeling with Fenton going and possibly look like entering a fallow period Mayo seem to have discontent in the camp. Galway have lost their head coach who made them much harder to score against. Tyrone new management Derry can they regroup. Armagh post All Ireland celebrations. I think Kerry can be optimistic but we need our star man back on form. |
|
|
|
Post by john4 on Nov 26, 2024 11:10:15 GMT
I would be one that would like to see Jack B back as well. I fear we won’t make the semi finals this year, based on what I have seen in the club and county champs. Appreciate this won’t sit well with many, but help me understand how we will better than last year, appreciate maybe more freshness, but flogging the same 15 to 17 will kill you in the home straight, with a bunch of other teams on the verge of the elite group, one tough draw could see us out in quarters. I hope I am 100% wrong, but I just can’t see the improvement from last year. Just putting this out for debate. I think there is lots of questions being asked in many counties this winter. Dublin are reeling with Fenton going and possibly look like entering a fallow period Mayo seem to have discontent in the camp. Galway have lost their head coach who made them much harder to score against. Tyrone new management Derry can they regroup. Armagh post All Ireland celebrations. I think Kerry can be optimistic but we need our star man back on form. It wouldn't have to be a great Kerry team to win the All Ireland next year given the unsettled nature of all the main contenders. The timing is right now for a handy one but we'll still need to be at our best. Tyrone for me the main contender |
|
|
|
Post by veteran on Nov 26, 2024 12:26:14 GMT
It is interesting to note that the market value of a footballer frequently increases when be becomes unavailable for some reason. Jack Barry is a case in point, with some here yearning for his return.
When Jack arrived initially he was a very exciting prospect, full of running and adventure, very often scything through for a score. Indeed, I remember John Divilly ,the then manager of UCD, saying that Jack had the potential to be one of the best midfielders in the game, I agreed with that assessment.
Sadly, that potential was never realized. Safety first won out. Rather than scything through , his instinct became, on receiving the ball, to turn around and pass the parcel backwards. In his defence it may be that conservatism was imposed from on high, Don’t forget the one dictating that conservatism still remains, Jack made a contribution , for which I thank him, but the lamentable fact is , in different circumstances, that contribution could have been significantly greater, The raw material was there but it was stymied rather than nourished.
|
|
|
|
Post by blacksheep21 on Nov 26, 2024 12:45:13 GMT
Blaming Jack O Connor for Jack Barry’s conservatism makes no sense when you consider how much of Barry’s intercounty was actually played under our current manager.
|
|
|
|
Post by hurlingman on Nov 26, 2024 15:12:57 GMT
Jack Barry is similar in a way to Shamus Scanlon. A good number 2 at midfield but struggled when they had to be the msin man.
|
|
|
|
Post by john4 on Nov 26, 2024 15:22:35 GMT
I think he started out minor or u21 as a 6, it can be hard enough to get away from what becomes a natural defensive mindset. He seemed to me to be quite cautious going forward. Having said that I think he's actually a loss at the moment, he'd fit back in no bother
|
|
|
|
Post by onlykerry on Nov 26, 2024 15:33:19 GMT
I think he started out minor or u21 as a 6, it can be hard enough to get away from what becomes a natural defensive mindset. He seemed to me to be quite cautious going forward. Having said that I think he's actually a loss at the moment, he'd fit back in no bother He played minor 4 times - three in the half back line (5,6 & 6) and his last outing as a minor was in midfield. His one u21 outing was at midfield. |
|
kerryexile
Fanatical Member
Whether you believe that you can, or that you can't, you are right anyway.
Posts: 1,222
|
Post by kerryexile on Nov 26, 2024 18:04:56 GMT
It is interesting to note that the market value of a footballer frequently increases when be becomes unavailable for some reason. Jack Barry is a case in point, with some here yearning for his return. When Jack arrived initially he was a very exciting prospect, full of running and adventure, very often scything through for a score. Indeed, I remember John Divilly ,the then manager of UCD, saying that Jack had the potential to be one of the best midfielders in the game, I agreed with that assessment. Sadly, that potential was never realized. Safety first won out. Rather than scything through , his instinct became, on receiving the ball, to turn around and pass the parcel backwards. In his defence it may be that conservatism was imposed from on high, Don’t forget the one dictating that conservatism still remains, Jack made a contribution , for which I thank him, but the lamentable fact is , in different circumstances, that contribution could have been significantly greater, The raw material was there but it was stymied rather than nourished. I agree Veteran. God gives us talent, it is up to those to whom it is entrusted to develop it. Jack faced Fenton 3 times. First time marked him out of the game. Second time they broke even, Third time Fenton ended up being short listed for Footballer of the Year, (David prevented him). In 2 and 3 he was entrusted to current manager. Then Jack decided he needed a break. |
|
mike70
Senior Member
Posts: 911
|
Post by mike70 on Nov 26, 2024 19:23:42 GMT
I would still have him back in the morning, it’s not we have a abundance of experience in the middle of the park, if he was available, I would pull him in, but he may not be around.
|
|
|
|
Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 26, 2024 21:46:14 GMT
There’s a reason why he was so conservative, his skill levels are far below what you’d expect for an inter county player. He isn’t able to be an attacking threat at club level either. Not sure how he managed to look so dynamic when he first broke onto the inter county scene.
|
|
|
|
Post by mainevalley on Nov 26, 2024 23:24:45 GMT
There’s a reason why he was so conservative, his skill levels are far below what you’d expect for an inter county player. He isn’t able to be an attacking threat at club level either. Not sure how he managed to look so dynamic when he first broke onto the inter county scene. I remember seeing him rampaging through two or three defenders when he initially broke onto the scene in a junior final against glenbeigh around 2015/2016/2017. I think the finishing let him down and then the rampaging was subsequently coached out of him as he used loose the ball trying to beat too many. Look he is never going to kick 2/3 points like DOC but his fiercely athletic. He's brother Andrew was and still is a fine footballer and reader of the game. I still reminisce thinking that if he got in shape he could have played number 6 for Kerry. One of best readers I've seen. |
|
|
|
Post by ciarraimick on Nov 27, 2024 12:20:45 GMT
There’s a reason why he was so conservative, his skill levels are far below what you’d expect for an inter county player. He isn’t able to be an attacking threat at club level either. Not sure how he managed to look so dynamic when he first broke onto the inter county scene. I remember seeing him rampaging through two or three defenders when he initially broke onto the scene in a junior final against glenbeigh around 2015/2016/2017. I think the finishing let him down and then the rampaging was subsequently coached out of him as he used loose the ball trying to beat too many. Look he is never going to kick 2/3 points like DOC but his fiercely athletic. He's brother Andrew was and still is a fine footballer and reader of the game. I still reminisce thinking that if he got in shape he could have played number 6 for Kerry. One of best readers I've seen. Agree woth you on both counts.Anytome I saw Andrew I was very impressed. |
|
wkfootball
On Probation
Posts: 21 
Member is Online
|
Post by wkfootball on Nov 27, 2024 12:46:14 GMT
Is it too early to look for people's first 15 for first day out in the league? Be interesting to hear peoples teams
|
|
|
|
Post by edgeofthesquare on Nov 27, 2024 12:52:15 GMT
There’s a reason why he was so conservative, his skill levels are far below what you’d expect for an inter county player. He isn’t able to be an attacking threat at club level either. Not sure how he managed to look so dynamic when he first broke onto the inter county scene. I remember seeing him rampaging through two or three defenders when he initially broke onto the scene in a junior final against glenbeigh around 2015/2016/2017. I think the finishing let him down and then the rampaging was subsequently coached out of him as he used loose the ball trying to beat too many. Look he is never going to kick 2/3 points like DOC but his fiercely athletic. He's brother Andrew was and still is a fine footballer and reader of the game. I still reminisce thinking that if he got in shape he could have played number 6 for Kerry. One of best readers I've seen. Andrew was an outstanding minor at 6, athletic, physical, football he had it all. Looked a cert to make it at Senior. He looked a completely different player 2 or 3 years later for whatever reason, lack of pace his main issue. |
|
|
|
Post by mainevalley on Nov 27, 2024 14:13:41 GMT
I remember seeing him rampaging through two or three defenders when he initially broke onto the scene in a junior final against glenbeigh around 2015/2016/2017. I think the finishing let him down and then the rampaging was subsequently coached out of him as he used loose the ball trying to beat too many. Look he is never going to kick 2/3 points like DOC but his fiercely athletic. He's brother Andrew was and still is a fine footballer and reader of the game. I still reminisce thinking that if he got in shape he could have played number 6 for Kerry. One of best readers I've seen. Andrew was an outstanding minor at 6, athletic, physical, football he had it all. Looked a cert to make it at Senior. He looked a completely different player 2 or 3 years later for whatever reason, lack of pace his main issue. If he got in shape he would be better than morley at that role but alas I fear it's too late. |
|
