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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 27, 2024 16:22:25 GMT
This is mean stuff:
1-7 v Cork, 1-7 v Clare, 1-7 v Monaghan, 0-6 v Meath, 1-8 v Louth.
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Post by john4 on Jun 27, 2024 17:46:30 GMT
This is mean stuff: 1-7 v Cork, 1-7 v Clare, 1-7 v Monaghan, 0-6 v Meath, 1-8 v Louth. Really impressed with the patience we show in defence. We're not panicked into committing the foul
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 27, 2024 17:51:07 GMT
This is mean stuff: 1-7 v Cork, 1-7 v Clare, 1-7 v Monaghan, 0-6 v Meath, 1-8 v Louth. Really impressed with the patience we show in defence. We're not panicked into committing the foul Dubs 0-12 v Meath, 0-11 v Offaly, 2-12 v Louth, 0-13 v Roscommon, 0-13 v Cavan, 0-17 Mayo.
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Post by tralee58 on Jun 27, 2024 19:11:45 GMT
I'd be far more worried about Rodgers than Glass. Rodgers is serious. I completely agree with you, going by the last few games, over the full hour Rogers has been consistent, he was one of the main driving forces behind the drive in taking the game to Mayo, similar vs Westmeath. Glass has been sporadic and coughed up one major ball late on vs Mayo for one of their late scores. For me it's more Rogers that is driving the team forward, but in saying that, Glass does usually shine in Croker. On another point, god forbid, if the game went this far, who would you like to see or who would you expect Jack to pick as his five penalty takers. For me it's not necessarily the best footballers more the calmest when the pressure mounts and you know any mistake is crucial. For me, Paudie, David are nailed on, I read before that Seanie doesn't like taking spot kicks, so he for me is 50/50 depending on how the game goes, Tony strikes me as a calm cold baller, however he may not be on the field of play after full and extra time, similar with Paul Geaney. Tom Sullivan strikes me as a solid individual as does Shane Ryan.... Similar too with Diarmuid O'Connor. For me the five are, David, Paudie, Seanie, Shane Ryan and one of Paul/Tony if still on the field or Diarmuid. Surprised about Seanie bearing in mind what he did in taking the last minute kick against Dublin. Doesn’t get more pressurised than that I feel. Calm confidence assured that day
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Post by Joxer on Jun 27, 2024 19:25:23 GMT
Good to see Graham back….on the bench anyway. No change to starting team from Louth match.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 27, 2024 19:31:57 GMT
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Post by john4 on Jun 27, 2024 19:34:54 GMT
In fairness to the management, there's been great use of the bench up to now. Plenty game time under the belt of 16 - 28. Any one of them could comfortably come in this year
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 27, 2024 20:19:59 GMT
Standard from Jack reverting back to the same players no surprises pity because Burke offers way more than Moynihan at 12 good to see o Sullivan back on the bench
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 27, 2024 20:27:17 GMT
I would have a few areas of concern for us. 1 - Midfield - I’m not sure how we will cope with the Rogers & Glass pairing. The last day Joe O’ Connor played in Croke park is one he will want to forget. He got absolutely torched by Fenton. If things aren’t going well around the middle where is our cover? 2 - Goals - Meath, Louth, Cork all scored goals at their ease during our group games and Munster final respectively. I don’t think we kept too many clean sheets during the league. This is a trait that has me worried. Anyone else in Portlaoise the last day would have to admit that a better class of finisher would have taken 3 of those chances, at least. Add to that our lack of goals and things could get fairly hairy on Sunday. 3 - The timing our run narrative - This drives me wrong. To win this game on Sunday we will need to improve our performance levels quite a bit. It appears to be an assumption that we will, but by how much? We need a lot to go right for us on Sunday, as do Derry. We should assume nothing and if possible, set the tone from the start. I think Jack will play Adrian Spillane to tag one of Glass or Rodgers Unfortunately I would be more worried about our half forward line - like it or not, our wing forwards need to be strong defensively- neither Brosnan nor Moynihan fall into this category; neither are they a kick out option if Glass /Rodgers get the upper hand on the O’Connors. We need a huge shift from our defence - hope we get it & it will be enough.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 27, 2024 20:33:52 GMT
I think Jack will play Adrian Spillane to tag one of Glass or Rodgers Unfortunately I would be more worried about our half forward line - like it or not, our wing forwards need to be strong defensively- neither Brosnan nor Moynihan fall into this category; neither are they a kick out option if Glass /Rodgers get the upper hand on the O’Connors. We need a huge shift from our defence - hope we get it & it will be enough. I think many of us have expressed similar reservations. I see two scenarios, 1 - Derry who have been spooked by being so open in the early rounds therefor setting up like they did against Mayo. I also suspect they won't leave MCKeague on his own on DC this time. If the above happens our HF line should be ok. 2 - Derry say fxxx it and look at that HF line and realise they can run at them and make hay. If the above happens I expect Jack to make immediate changes and bring Spillane/OBrien/Burke in. I suspect knowing Hartes form he'll play it safe and that's the gamble Kerry are taking.
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Post by veteran on Jun 27, 2024 20:43:32 GMT
Twenty eight man panel? What is that about? Is it allowed? Injury to some player/players?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 27, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
I expect T.Brosnan to get through a world of work and - it is a half FORWARD - kick a few scores too.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 27, 2024 21:09:08 GMT
I expect T.Brosnan to get through a world of work and - it is a half FORWARD - kick a few scores too. I hope your are right..
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Post by exiled on Jun 27, 2024 21:58:56 GMT
Twenty eight man panel? What is that about? Is it allowed? Injury to some player/players? Maybe at long last a Kerry manager has started to play mind games.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 27, 2024 21:59:33 GMT
I expect T.Brosnan to get through a world of work and - it is a half FORWARD - kick a few scores too. Tony's role does include tackling and to be fair he does get through some turnovers in a game, maybe not as many as an Adrian Spillane would get through. However, what Tony can do that the likes of an Adrian wouldn't be strongest at, is playing that 'quarter back' role. Picking out forwards in a packed defence. Which will be required on Sunday as Derry do play very defensive.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 27, 2024 22:19:05 GMT
As a child of The Flight of The Earls it is in my blood to know how we might resist the northerly brigade and I think our fortress forte at FB might be key - it is on a day like this when Jason's spontaneity will count big, his athleticism and tenacity, is he the first Duracell FB in the game?
Derry may find themselves having to mark him, you can hear MOM - 'fortress Foley forte at FB, the Ballydonoghoor reaches in behind the clouds, where man hasn't been before, connected with the man above and told him to wake up or he'll lose his place.'
Must be the best ever weekend of big ball and hopefully we'll be saying the same on Sun evening, on a few more Sun evenings!
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Post by damarys on Jun 27, 2024 22:29:08 GMT
Where is Killian Spillane?Is he injured?
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Post by exiled on Jun 27, 2024 22:52:52 GMT
Where is Killian Spillane?Is he injured? He's on the match day panel..
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 27, 2024 23:23:15 GMT
Am I right in saying that if Armagh and Donegal win they can't be drawn against each other in the semi final. Meaning if we win we can't get Dublin in a semi, should we both win at the weekend
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 27, 2024 23:28:30 GMT
Am I right in saying that if Armagh and Donegal win they can't be drawn against each other in the semi final. Meaning if we win we can't get Dublin in a semi, should we both win at the weekend Yes no repeat fixtures for Semis, if the 4 favourites win it'll be Kerry & Dublin in 1 pot and Armagh & Donegal in the other. I'd like to get Armagh myself but lets get over Derry first.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 28, 2024 8:07:33 GMT
I see the usual commentary that we (Derry) play very defensive. I do wonder sometimes if people actually watch football. I seen the same before the semi final last year. I wish that was the case and maybe we wouldn't have conceded 9 goals in 3 championship games or gave Clifford the run of Croke park with endless 1 on 1s last year. Derry attack with all 15 players which left us very exposed v the Armagh's and Donegal's of this world. It looked great in the league final against a more open Dublin.
As a poster above alluded to, the biggest unknown is how Mickey Harte approaches this game. Does he go back to basics like the Mayo game or back to the game that won us the league and nearly the AI semi last year.
The semi finals should be open draw in my opinion. It will potentially be the second year in a row that Kerry and Dublin get to avoid eachother because 2 Ulster teams made the last 4. Good to see you are looking forward to the last 4 already!
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Post by keane on Jun 28, 2024 8:30:44 GMT
I see the usual commentary that we (Derry) play very defensive. I do wonder sometimes if people actually watch football. I seen the same before the semi final last year. I wish that was the case and maybe we wouldn't have conceded 9 goals in 3 championship games or gave Clifford the run of Croke park with endless 1 on 1s last year. Derry attack with all 15 players which left us very exposed v the Armagh's and Donegal's of this world. It looked great in the league final against a more open Dublin. As a poster above alluded to, the biggest unknown is how Mickey Harte approaches this game. Does he go back to basics like the Mayo game or back to the game that won us the league and nearly the AI semi last year. The semi finals should be open draw in my opinion. It will potentially be the second year in a row that Kerry and Dublin get to avoid eachother because 2 Ulster teams made the last 4. Good to see you are looking forward to the last 4 already! I seem to recall the Derry manager and a couple of players talking afterwards about how they switched to a much more attacking gameplan for the semi-final to catch Kerry on the hop. My impression of Derry in the Gallagher years was that they played very conservatively without the ball and the most remarkable thing about them was how they failed to counterattack when they won a turnover, instead passing the ball around at the back for long stretches to allow them to set up very specific attacking structures at the far end. They would move all their players up at that stage, which I guess you could call 'very attacking' but I think it takes more from the soccer idea of rigid attacking patterns & rest defense than it does from any traditional idea of swashbuckling gaelic football. In the semi-final they played very much a swashbuckling attack and it was class tbf. I haven't watched as much of them this year but whatever I saw before the Mayo game was some less coherent mixture between the two approaches mentioned. In the Mayo game they parked the bus and everyone seems to think that went a lot better. I hope it's more Mickeyball we see on Sunday than either what Gallagher or Meenagh had ye doing last year.
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Post by keane on Jun 28, 2024 8:33:12 GMT
I guess I mean to say that anyone judging Derry on how they played before the SF last year could justifiably describe it as 'conservative' if not outright defensive. The SF was a performance all of its own. I dunno what you would call what they were doing in Ulster Championship up to the Westmeath game.
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Post by veteran on Jun 28, 2024 8:40:35 GMT
Twenty eight man panel? What is that about? Is it allowed? Injury to some player/players? Maybe at long last a Kerry manager has started to play mind games. I am intrigued by the announcing of a 28 man panel. Is there not a stipulation that the match day panel must be restricted to 26? As I suggested before , I hope there is not an injury or two in the first fifteen.
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Post by tpo on Jun 28, 2024 8:49:05 GMT
The 1st 26 are your panel, the next 2 are stand by players. all counties have been doing it just not publishing the 2 stand by players
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Post by veteran on Jun 28, 2024 8:54:51 GMT
The 1st 26 are your panel, the next 2 are stand by players. all counties have been doing it just not publishing the 2 stand by players Thanks for that clarification. Didn’t know that is how it works.
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Post by tpo on Jun 28, 2024 9:05:16 GMT
I don't know how you transition from a stand by player into the match panel
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 28, 2024 9:06:42 GMT
Jack has never really been one for naming dummy teams and the like and I can't see him beginning on Sunday. Jack has more or less settled on this half forward line since the beginning of the championship.
Obviously its something that has been worked on for the last weeks / months. For all my worries about the half forward line when is the last time we started a championship game with 5 scoring forwards on the starting 15? All our full forward line, Tony B and Paudie can take a score.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 28, 2024 9:29:51 GMT
I see the usual commentary that we (Derry) play very defensive. I do wonder sometimes if people actually watch football. I seen the same before the semi final last year. I wish that was the case and maybe we wouldn't have conceded 9 goals in 3 championship games or gave Clifford the run of Croke park with endless 1 on 1s last year. Derry attack with all 15 players which left us very exposed v the Armagh's and Donegal's of this world. It looked great in the league final against a more open Dublin. As a poster above alluded to, the biggest unknown is how Mickey Harte approaches this game. Does he go back to basics like the Mayo game or back to the game that won us the league and nearly the AI semi last year. The semi finals should be open draw in my opinion. It will potentially be the second year in a row that Kerry and Dublin get to avoid eachother because 2 Ulster teams made the last 4. Good to see you are looking forward to the last 4 already! I seem to recall the Derry manager and a couple of players talking afterwards about how they switched to a much more attacking gameplan for the semi-final to catch Kerry on the hop. My impression of Derry in the Gallagher years was that they played very conservatively without the ball and the most remarkable thing about them was how they failed to counterattack when they won a turnover, instead passing the ball around at the back for long stretches to allow them to set up very specific attacking structures at the far end. They would move all their players up at that stage, which I guess you could call 'very attacking' but I think it takes more from the soccer idea of rigid attacking patterns & rest defense than it does from any traditional idea of swashbuckling gaelic football. In the semi-final they played very much a swashbuckling attack and it was class tbf. I haven't watched as much of them this year but whatever I saw before the Mayo game was some less coherent mixture between the two approaches mentioned. In the Mayo game they parked the bus and everyone seems to think that went a lot better. I hope it's more Mickeyball we see on Sunday than either what Gallagher or Meenagh had ye doing last year. Gallaghers Derry and the league version of this Derry scored a lot of goals by attacking at pace. They were good at breaking down set defences as well with the methodical build up. You need to be good at it to win ulster. The Mayo game was an improvement but anything would have been. We needed to stop gifting the opposition goals as they were real sucker punches. These tactic won't be enough to beat Kerry though so I personally hope he gambles a bit and goes for it.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 28, 2024 9:55:25 GMT
I seem to recall the Derry manager and a couple of players talking afterwards about how they switched to a much more attacking gameplan for the semi-final to catch Kerry on the hop. My impression of Derry in the Gallagher years was that they played very conservatively without the ball and the most remarkable thing about them was how they failed to counterattack when they won a turnover, instead passing the ball around at the back for long stretches to allow them to set up very specific attacking structures at the far end. They would move all their players up at that stage, which I guess you could call 'very attacking' but I think it takes more from the soccer idea of rigid attacking patterns & rest defense than it does from any traditional idea of swashbuckling gaelic football. In the semi-final they played very much a swashbuckling attack and it was class tbf. I haven't watched as much of them this year but whatever I saw before the Mayo game was some less coherent mixture between the two approaches mentioned. In the Mayo game they parked the bus and everyone seems to think that went a lot better. I hope it's more Mickeyball we see on Sunday than either what Gallagher or Meenagh had ye doing last year. Gallaghers Derry and the league version of this Derry scored a lot of goals by attacking at pace. They were good at breaking down set defences as well with the methodical build up. You need to be good at it to win ulster. The Mayo game was an improvement but anything would have been. We needed to stop gifting the opposition goals as they were real sucker punches. These tactic won't be enough to beat Kerry though so I personally hope he gambles a bit and goes for it. Yeah but his conundrum is does Mickey stick or twist. I suspect he'll keep it very tight and one of the HF double marks Clifford. If that happens it frees up Morely on our side ti sit infront of Foley. If its tight in the final quarter who has the bench to see this out.
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