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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 24, 2024 12:28:23 GMT
Glass contributed little against Mayo, he was one of their poorest performers. McGuigan isn’t near his form of last year either which is a big positive swing for us. Either is David. David came off a poor game against Tyrone last year to shoot the lights out. I would have a slight concern that David hasn’t had any top performance this year but I always feel David against the top teams when we need him and David against lesser teams have always been very different. For example has he ever had a good performance against Cork in Munster. It’s more straightforward with McGuigan he simply isn’t near the form he was in last year.
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Post by paudief on Jun 24, 2024 12:31:20 GMT
That was the toughest draw of the 3 possible. I'd have put a fully-fit Galway about the same level as Derry, but they have injury problems, with Shane Walsh going off at the weekend, and Damien Comer only coming on as a sub.
I think playing this week and next is a bit overrated as a drawback. I was reading an interesting article by Dean Rock in the Irish Times, and he was talking about the difference in having the middle weekend off versus playing. To be clear, he was saying that it was better to have the weekend off, but the interesting part was that he said only part of the reason was physical. The other parts were to do with the mental, and preparation side.
But I was watching Derry-Mayo on Saturday, and I'd say it did great things for their mentality. Nothing like winning a tight game to bring you together, and get you out of a slump.
Also I thought the game provided quite good preparation for playing Kerry. The scouting-report on Mayo is, they're much better breaking-forward quickly than playing against a set-defence. Derry tailored their tactics to that. In particular, you could see the forwards working hard to stop the Mayo defenders bringing it up the field quickly. And it was effective, Mayo really struggled to score against the set-defence.
I feel they will have a similar strategy against Kerry. Kerry are better than Mayo against a set-defence, but still you'd rather defend Kerry that way than give the forwards space.
Derry defend well, they have a strong midfield, and good scorers in McGuigan and Murray in particular.
Where Mayo were effective, it was in forcing turnovers, and using that as a base to get forward before Derry had their defence fully set. This will be an important factor for the Kerry defence, not just can they defend, but can they force some turnovers.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 24, 2024 12:52:02 GMT
We're on @ 3.15pm Sunday, Louth V Donegal on at 1.15pm. Armagh v Roscommon on at 4pm Saturday & Dublin vs Galway on at 6.15pm Saturday.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 24, 2024 12:53:00 GMT
We're on @ 3.15pm Sunday, Louth V Donegal on at 1.15pm. Armagh v Roscommon on at 4pm Saturday & Dublin vs Galway on at 6.15pm Saturday. I imagine the fact the Euros is on along with Taylor Swift concerts has pushed time to slightly earlier than usual time of 4pm Sunday.
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Post by yerah on Jun 24, 2024 13:04:45 GMT
Sunday games live on RTE.
Saturday games on GAA GO.
David Goldrick named as referee!
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Post by chicago09 on Jun 24, 2024 13:22:53 GMT
Advantage dubs again Galway could do with extra day with injuries have to play Saturday and of course Derry get extra day rest to play us couldn’t make it up. Anyway we have to beat what’s in front of us now three games to go hope we are ready no game is easy from here in.
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Post by tralee58 on Jun 24, 2024 13:31:33 GMT
Will it be on GAAGO tv ? Thanks Yes. 2 on RTE and 2 on GAAGO. Not known which games. Thanks 🙏
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Post by veteran on Jun 24, 2024 14:30:23 GMT
Sunday games live on RTE. Saturday games on GAA GO. David Goldrick named as referee! Sweet goodness is he still refereeing. I thought that fellow was dropped from the panel . As inept as they come and they do come inept.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 24, 2024 14:33:04 GMT
It's OK for David Clifford to have a fallow year by his standards. He is creating loads.
I want Tony Brosnan in that half forward line for one.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 24, 2024 14:35:18 GMT
Sunday games live on RTE. Saturday games on GAA GO. David Goldrick named as referee! Sweet goodness is he still refereeing. I thought that fellow was dropped from the panel . As inept as they come and they do come inept. He failed the fitness tests at start of the year & I thought that was it for him - probably due to his partner being a senior Croke Park steward maybe! Tickets are a whopping €45 !
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Post by jackiel on Jun 24, 2024 14:44:45 GMT
Sweet goodness is he still refereeing. I thought that fellow was dropped from the panel . As inept as they come and they do come inept. He failed the fitness tests at start of the year & I thought that was it for him - probably due to his partner being a senior Croke Park steward maybe! Tickets are a whopping €45 ! Ah now, I think you're over estimating the power of the Voluntary Stewards.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 24, 2024 15:25:43 GMT
Ticketmaster is now selling tickets for all other Croke Park events but doesn't open for Sunday's games until 5:00pm. What wheeling and dealing is going on.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 24, 2024 16:28:24 GMT
Sweet goodness is he still refereeing. I thought that fellow was dropped from the panel . As inept as they come and they do come inept. He failed the fitness tests at start of the year & I thought that was it for him - probably due to his partner being a senior Croke Park steward maybe! Tickets are a whopping €45 ! Coldrick failed last year as well. He failed 3 fitness tests in the past 18 months. Still rewarded. It could be the GAA saving on mileage by asking a ref from the county to travel.
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Post by tribeofciar on Jun 24, 2024 17:40:37 GMT
For anyone that has a season ticket, you have until 1pm Wednesday to purchase tickets. Why the rush GAA ...
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Post by tribeofciar on Jun 24, 2024 17:42:17 GMT
Championship is finally here. Looking forward to this one. Questions that will be answered, off the top of my head: Will Derry score enough points to beat Kerry? Derry might need goals which they could get. Midfield will be interesting as Kerry's new midfield duo are untested at this level. Our last Croke Park trip was not a good night vs. Dublin in the league. We will probably see a lot of short kickouts as teams filter back so we'll see how that goes. Jack has gone with Brosnan and Geaney as half forwards this year, I hope we've a plan to cover Derry's half back runners in McEvoy, McFaul, McKinless. Who will cover the top of the 'D' if Morley is moved around by an assigned marker(Dubs did it in 2nd half of final last year and we didn't cover it very well leading to a few tap over scores for Basquel and Mannion). This area of defence needs to be covered as we've given up goal chances in nearly every championship game this year. Kerry do have a potential spread of scorers in Seanie, Paudie, Tony, Tom, Brian, David etc. I hope we can work them free and continue to kick through the lines, as we have done effectively this year, when the opportunity arises. It makes for a fascinating encounter. Ciarraí Abú. This post sums my feelings on the game as well
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Post by crokes86 on Jun 24, 2024 21:28:40 GMT
Micky Harte will have done his homework for this one and I expect he’ll have Derry fired up and ready to go . Big test for Kerry they’ll have to come out all guns blazing . Derry should get the nod in the midfield battle and that half back line will attack at every opportunity. Big test for Kerry we’ll see how they can handle the intensity from the northern boys. I expect Dublin Donegal and Armagh to make it through the other games but Roscommon will not lie down they have tremendous heart. That would be my surprise win them .
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 25, 2024 8:09:48 GMT
Similar to Crokes86, I have a fear of how we handle the first 15-20 minutes, the harsh reality is we will not have had a game of this level of intensity in a long while and regardless of capabilities or skill level, nothing can prepare you for this and it’s not simply a switch that can be flicked when required.
To win this game, we have to play the game on our terms, the problem here is the tempo of the first quarter will be dictated by the team who is most up to speed, and this unfortunately is Derry. Kerry have two options in this regard, one is the Davey Fitz go hell for leather and toe to toe, the other is serious containment early doors, mushroom shaped defensive line to repel runners and really slow the tempo down until we get to grips with the pace.
Looking at the semi final clash we had with them last year, the game started 100 miles per hour, there was two goals scored in the first five minutes, and another two missed, one by Paul and one block by Tom Sull to prevent another, Derry also had serious success down their left flank on the Cusack Side, early doors most of their scores came from here with Rogers and McKinless on the overlap for the reverse pass.
Midfield will be a battle, but I felt Conor Glass was poor enough at stages against Mayo, Rogers for me is playing the better and more cohesive when linking play, for kickouts, the availability of Brión O’Beagleoich cannot be understated, he gives us a serious option as an outlet which may be telling if stretched or squeezed up on. For kickouts, most teams play their keeper in the pocket to narrow space, I would be of the view to hit their keepers direction, he has to contest, would not be used to being challenged and if the ball is not won cleanly, Lynch is out of position and the fast break is on. McGuiness attacked this avenue to a degree, but I would go a stage further and play it towards the keeper.
Team selection wise, I think the same XV will be selected, the only addition would be Graham to the bench if available, but he could not be match fit, it wasn’t that long ago we were expecting Jason back at this stage only and he returned well before the expected time, a fit again Graham falls in at the corner for me with Murphy held in reserve.
Like a said, the key here is the first fifteen minutes, more so whether to opt for toe to toe or containment and stifling until we get to the pace, either way, we have to play on our terms otherwise, Mickey Harte will bring “Tyronesque” intensity, but one would envisage that we have prepared our lads for such an onslaught.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 25, 2024 8:19:39 GMT
It's extremely rare for football matches to begin fast these days.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 25, 2024 8:20:28 GMT
I don't know how to change the thread title to the actual date/time.
Anyway sometimes you just got to dance with the partner that's trust upon you.
Either we're the real deal or the League form was the true barometer of Kerry. Sunday will tell. Derry are not the team of 12 months ago but as they showed at the weekend, they can take anyone on any given Sunday.
Are Kerry the team they were 12 months ago or,more pertinently 24 months ago, hard to tell until Sunday comes.
Enjoy the build up and travels to the game everyone. I'll be in my geansai in Hue tuning in on the mobile at 9:15pm. Hope to Christ I'll have a semi final to look forward to for the flight home 😬
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 25, 2024 8:33:59 GMT
It's extremely rare for football matches to begin fast these days. Looking from the Derry perspective, that should be the exact ploy if they envisage we are "cold". Then empty their bench for freshness in the third quarter..
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Post by paudief on Jun 25, 2024 8:47:18 GMT
It's extremely rare for football matches to begin fast these days. Looking from the Derry perspective, that should be the exact ploy if they envisage we are "cold". Then empty their bench for freshness in the third quarter..
I think it's in Kerry's interest to start fast. If the 90 mins played last weekend is to have an effect, it's that Derry may not be able to keep a high pace for 70 mins. I could see them slowing it down in the first half, passing it back and forth a good bit, try and turn it into a 35 minute game.
For Kerry to counter this, try to force turnovers, press the Derry kickouts, try and turn it into a higher-paced game that way.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jun 25, 2024 10:58:39 GMT
The facts are Derry are a fine team but a few blips and they were questioned.Now lets look at the facts on Derry.They are league champions and deservedly so.Now the blips came in the championship.For me the only time I really questioned Derry was when they were trounced by Armagh(who I believe are a top team).Now the first blip came against Donegal but the main problem was the goalie s antics.In fact Derry scored more points than Donegal.Fact!Derry also scores more points than Galway.Fact!So the truth of it so far is if the opposition dont score goals then Derry s scoring is enough to win games.The question is can Derry curb this and they def looked to have done so v Mayo.Another point is the narrative that teams in the prelim are easy meat as they have no break and the stats showed same last year.Are we judging this on one year?.Before this new inane system we were saying the teams with most games benefit and the rested teams were at a disadvantage.If results go other way this weekend the narrative will change again.Anyway the only result I care about next weekend is Kerrys and P.G. we can come out with a victory.Because Derry are so strong midfield (and remember Mayo are good midfield) they will force us to go long with kickouts alot of the time.I like Horesboxes idea of aiming for their keeper.If nothing else it will give them the jitters after the Donegal and Armagh experience.On Conor Glass I thought he was very influential v Mayo tbh and besides McGuigan they have others to shoulder the scoring load like their corner forwads who is excellent.Sunday is the day for Joe and Diarmuid to show us they are the real deal in midfield.For a long time now and I have posted same,I have felt Kerry midfield will do ok unless we face Dublin or Derry.Prove me wrong Sunday boys please!We will def need our bench Sunday and we might need to tinker the team a little in half forward line to curb Derry s half back line.While Tony or Dara would be very unlucky to lose out maybe Kerry might want horses for courses and Jack and co might be looking at Adrian or Burke or both for half forward line.There will be alot of long kickouts during the game.Anyway hope we have all our ducks in a row and I ll be sinking pints of porter Sunday night smiling in my Kerry jersey. I agree in a way. First loss was because of a load of freak goals. 2nd loss was down to 14 men from the first half. 3rd loss would have been a win more than likely if Mackin got sent off in the first half for kicking Glass’ head. I know these are all ifs and buts but a few minor occurrences change the complexion of their form completely
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Post by brucewayne on Jun 25, 2024 11:07:11 GMT
Has Derry's depth improved since last year?
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 25, 2024 11:41:28 GMT
I've a bad feeling about this game.
I think it'll be one of those games where Kerry are flat and Derry play at a higher pitch.
People talk about Derry being out of form but they've played lots of tough games.
I've PTSD from Mickey Harte also.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 25, 2024 12:59:28 GMT
I don't believe Derry are out of form. As other hve point out, freak goals, sendings off etc all contributed to the narrative that Derry's form had deserted them and Mickey had lost the dressing room. Even if their form had dipped somewhat sometimes you just need to play yourself into form. Something like what Kerry did in 09.
As I have said earlier midfield remains a big concern but, as I think Brian Lenihan once put it ' we are where we are'. Jack made his choices earlier in the year and now we arrive into Croke Park with his preferred midfield duo having a run of games in tandem. Midfield cover from the bench is sparse with Jack reluctant to use Barry Dan so Adrian Spillane will once again be somewhere in our midfield plans.
I think Jack most likely is planning for us to go short with the kickouts or hit the midrange ones to the half back line or an advancing corner back. With the best will in the world based on current form and all previous data it would be madness to kick contestables out to the middle. To reach the Derry keeper the ball will have to be in flight for a few seconds leaving plenty of time for Glass and Rodgers get under it. If Derry go long we just have to break it and battle like demons.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 25, 2024 13:34:15 GMT
Very apprehensive about this game.
Very long week ahead at this rate.
I really don't think we can start a HL of Brosnan / Paidi / Moynihan
Just far to light and not defensive minded enough.
I don't see many alternatives though.
Having said the one thing I am positive on is that Kerry have been working alot on breaking down blanket defensive teams.
Derry set up like that on Sat and will like do similar against us.
We should be experienced enough now to work the scores and show the required patience.
I'd personally hold Geaney /Murphy / OBrien in reserve and introduce them when the game opens up.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 25, 2024 14:51:51 GMT
Very much inclined to agree with you Royal
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Post by 00mauriceleft on Jun 25, 2024 16:30:12 GMT
Long time reader. First time poster.
Purely set up an acc as have two tickets for sale that are now not needed for Sunday, purchased yesterday online. Paid 90 for them and willing to sell for 70, Cusack lower 308, row M.
Have them on ticket master to transfer.
Ciarraí Abú
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 25, 2024 18:16:42 GMT
Nothing to do with the message above by the way... but noticed alot of season ticket holders selling their tickets for this game online (section 305 tickets). Is it now a case where people are buying season tickets just to attend a final and not intending on attending the games along the way. Worrying trend if so.
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jun 25, 2024 19:21:54 GMT
Just to echo what a few posters have said already, I have a bad feeling about this game. I don’t really buy into this ‘tired Derry’ business. They’ll be well minded this week and will need no reminding of the pain of last year’s semi-final. Any Derry people I spoke to thought they’d have enough for Dublin if they got over us. They’ve been living on their nerves this year and I think they will come out all guns blazing. My 2 main worries are midfield and how Louth could have gotten joy several times from running straight down the middle. A tale as old as time. Great to be back in the throes of it but I wouldn’t say I’m confident this evening. Hopefully that will change as the week goes on! Kerry have beaten what was in front of them but I’m afraid of a flat first half and a mess too big to clean up.
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