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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 2, 2024 17:15:52 GMT
I won't fear a physical battle V Armagh. Our lads are mostly at their peak physically in their late 20's. Joe O'Connor has a nice bit of towny toughness and DOC has bulked up. Bring em on
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 2, 2024 17:48:01 GMT
I haven't seen the McKaigue incident as I can't bring myself to watch the match back and I was at the game. I know I sound like Wenger but it's genuinely true.I will make a point of looking at it again tonight. He rolled about the floor for a few minutes after so it must have been bad 😃. The O'Shea incident was in first half last year. He dived onto mcgrogans ankle as he kicked a point. I thought it was a very dangerous tackle. Shane Ryan's tackle on McGuigan was also dirty in the same game. This is old ground but just highlighting that it works both ways. It's maybe a damning reflection on this years game that I can't think of much of note. On the pulling and dragging it was going on in both defences but only Kerry got a handy 14 yard free for it. Anyway I need to move on. I'll be back for the league game next year hopefully with a new manager! I know it's not your place to answer, but I'm just trying to get an insight from someone from a team/county who has done this. Why, when Derry were trailing by 3 points and time rapidly running out, Did the Derry players allow Paul Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan Paudie Clifford et al kick the ball around unopposed for up to 1 minute. Cork did the same in Munster and I just need to be told why a team would do this Derry let the game pass by them. But also if passing back to the keeper was banned, teams would be encouraged to press from the front. |
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Post by derryoak on Jul 2, 2024 18:06:58 GMT
That's horse manure regarding Sean O'Shea Derry Oak. Have a look back at the incident at 08.07 on this link SOS made a genuine attempt to block down the ball and was on the shoelaces of McGrugans kicking foot. His momentum and sliding across the pitch brought him into contact with the standing foot. We see the tactic of targeting the standing foot regularly in rugby when the scrum half box kicks. Bakkies Botha at 1.25 in this video is a good example. Our from our own code this one v Colm Cooper looked very damning. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20260782.htmlThis is not a similar case. Get to Specsavers. O'Shea knew what he was at there. Dived on a man's standing ankle. I don't watch rugby but obviously it's a different sport so is irrelevant. |
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Post by derryoak on Jul 2, 2024 18:13:25 GMT
I haven't seen the McKaigue incident as I can't bring myself to watch the match back and I was at the game. I know I sound like Wenger but it's genuinely true.I will make a point of looking at it again tonight. He rolled about the floor for a few minutes after so it must have been bad 😃. The O'Shea incident was in first half last year. He dived onto mcgrogans ankle as he kicked a point. I thought it was a very dangerous tackle. Shane Ryan's tackle on McGuigan was also dirty in the same game. This is old ground but just highlighting that it works both ways. It's maybe a damning reflection on this years game that I can't think of much of note. On the pulling and dragging it was going on in both defences but only Kerry got a handy 14 yard free for it. Anyway I need to move on. I'll be back for the league game next year hopefully with a new manager! I know it's not your place to answer, but I'm just trying to get an insight from someone from a team/county who has done this. Why, when Derry were trailing by 3 points and time rapidly running out, Did the Derry players allow Paul Murphy, Tom O'Sullivan Paudie Clifford et al kick the ball around unopposed for up to 1 minute. Cork did the same in Munster and I just need to be told why a team would do this It frustrated me too. I'm guessing they didn't have the energy to press. It has to be a perfect team press so there is also no point in one man going himself or you will be picked off. Once you you get a 2 or 3 point lead in a game like that with 10 min left you hold all the aces. |
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jul 2, 2024 18:20:18 GMT
That's horse manure regarding Sean O'Shea Derry Oak. Have a look back at the incident at 08.07 on this link SOS made a genuine attempt to block down the ball and was on the shoelaces of McGrugans kicking foot. His momentum and sliding across the pitch brought him into contact with the standing foot. We see the tactic of targeting the standing foot regularly in rugby when the scrum half box kicks. Bakkies Botha at 1.25 in this video is a good example. Our from our own code this one v Colm Cooper looked very damning. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20260782.htmlThis is not a similar case. Get to Specsavers. O'Shea knew what he was at there. Dived on a man's standing ankle. I don't watch rugby but obviously it's a different sport so is irrelevant. My god! Are you blind?! Look at the clip again. He dived for the kicking foot and his momentum brought him through to hit the other foot. If you freeze frame it at the moment he dives you'll see it clearly. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 2, 2024 19:01:20 GMT
That's horse manure regarding Sean O'Shea Derry Oak. Have a look back at the incident at 08.07 on this link SOS made a genuine attempt to block down the ball and was on the shoelaces of McGrugans kicking foot. His momentum and sliding across the pitch brought him into contact with the standing foot. We see the tactic of targeting the standing foot regularly in rugby when the scrum half box kicks. Bakkies Botha at 1.25 in this video is a good example. Our from our own code this one v Colm Cooper looked very damning. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-20260782.htmlThis is not a similar case. Get to Specsavers. O'Shea knew what he was at there. Dived on a man's standing ankle. I don't watch rugby but obviously it's a different sport so is irrelevant. I think you are being harsh on Seánie there. He did try to block the ball. It would be different if there was a history of O'Shea following through taking out kickers. Thankfully there was no serious injury. It's a forward trying to block a shot and failing. Seánie was very close to blocking it. Seánie knocking the ball away at the end of 2023 semi would frustrate me if it was me on the other end and I would totally understand giving him a boot. |
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Post by veteran on Jul 4, 2024 16:38:26 GMT
I have just read The Kerryman where Paul Brennan, John O’Dowd, Damian Stack and Shane Enright reported on the match. Astonishingly, none of them commented on the cowardly act of foul play where a Derry player forcibly brought his knee down on the side/abdomen of a prostrate David Clifford . Therefore anybody who was not at the match would be unaware that this loutish behavior took place, behaviour which would have warranted a straight red card in rugby.
They understandably go on at length about the poor quality of the game but not a word about that reprehensible act. Why? Surely , we should be as keen to clean up our game and thereby protect our top practitioners as we are to create a better spectacle. I consider those reports in The Kerryman to be a shamefully , unforgivable dereliction of journalistic duty. Lads, you have the privilege of reporting on Kerry football from the best seats in the house. Accordingly, I expect you to record the salient aspects of every game. Perhaps , you don’t regard that incident as being a salient aspect of the Kerry/Derry game. If that is the case that is the point where our paths diverge.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 4, 2024 18:31:51 GMT
I have just read The Kerryman where Paul Brennan, John O’Dowd, Damian Stack and Shane Enright reported on the match. Astonishingly, none of them commented on the cowardly act of foul play where a Derry player forcibly brought his knee down on the side/abdomen of a prostrate David Clifford . Therefore anybody who was not at the match would be unaware that this loutish behavior took place, behaviour which would have warranted a straight red card in rugby. They understandably go on at length about the poor quality of the game but not a word about that reprehensible act. Why? Surely , we should be as keen to clean up our game and thereby protect our top practitioners as we are to create a better spectacle. I consider those reports in The Kerryman to be a shamefully , unforgivable dereliction of journalistic duty. Lads, you have the privilege of reporting on Kerry football from the best seats in the house. Accordingly, I expect you to record the salient aspects of every game. Perhaps , you don’t regard that incident as being a salient aspect of the Kerry/Derry game. If that is the case that is the point where our paths diverge. It could be that you can come across as a sore winner complaining you didn't get another decision that wouldn't have changed who won it. Better to bite the lip a bit and pick another battle. The sweetest punishment for cowardly play like that is playing in the next round while they watch it on TV. |
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Post by fitz on Jul 4, 2024 22:49:29 GMT
Watched full match tonight particular focus on second half. Derry definitely tired. But they made a lot of kick passing errors and lost the ball in the tackle multiple times. Add in bad shots too. Although we had some of them also. Paul Murphy was immense throughout. Jason had a tough day with McGuigan
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 5, 2024 1:39:07 GMT
Watched full match tonight particular focus on second half. Derry definitely tired. But they made a lot of kick passing errors and lost the ball in the tackle multiple times. Add in bad shots too. Although we had some of them also. Paul Murphy was immense throughout. Jason had a tough day with McGuigan Paul Murphy's a very clever, technical player. He's like our quarterback now. Trusted with carrying the ball out. I think if they banned passing back to the keeper it would encourage teams to press from the front when they're chasing a game and it would make for a better spectacle. Derry only did this a little in the latter stages. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 5, 2024 8:13:55 GMT
Been a busy week, only catching io on posts this morning…Well, this game has been well and truly dissected from all quarters at this juncture, the crux of the matter is, regardless of opposition, styles of play, formations or otherwise, we are where we want to be, with everyone intact, without our true hand revealed or having to hit the after burners.
The Derry game was in stark contrast to 12 months ago, last year we expected a dour, stifling opposition, we got the opposite, in what was probably one of the games of the championship. We all expected a repeat performance, what we got was what was expected last year.. the dour defensive display, from a team more concerned with negating play as opposed to actually playing. In this regard, a word on Derry, They have obviously regressed under Mickey Harte, I think the appointment in the first place was met with scepticism, as a result Mickey had to hit the ground running and to me, pencilled in a league title, the fitness displayed in Tralee, coupled with the Glen boys togging within five days of their club success points to that, early green shoots stem off any questioning of his appointment, but the body cannot sustain that level for the season, they plateaued after the league, and Jimmy most definitely pulled the rug and in all honesty they never recovered, if anything quite the opposite. Mickey will do well to hang on here, there is a serious panel and looking at this and last year’s minors, even if they only get three or four, those extras could be the difference but that will require a complete U-turn on tactics and maybe a change at the helm. Anyway, enough about them,.
On us over the league, and recent past, issues highlighted were, the speed of Shane Ryan’s kickouts, Tadgh’s positioning, a perceived weak centre filed paring, over reliance on Seanie/DC, the spread of scores and lack of scores from our half forward line and the kick from the bench. Recent games, not just Derry, our defensive positioning has been considerably tighter, we had 99% success rate from Shane Ryan, for , I think the fifth game in succession, one at least, and this week two of our midfielders scored from play and more than broke even, Tony Brosnan, and I admit I was sceptical initially of his positioning, has evolved his game, tracking, creating and more importantly scoring consistently, ten different scorers the last day, and a serious impact off the bench….
One telling point though was the subs used, more so probably the subs not used, I expected to see Graham, even of just for ten minutes, similarly, the game changer last year, Stephen O’Brien appears to have slipped down the pecking order, I am aware he lined out with Kenmare recently, however, one has to admit, we may have expected to see Bourke and Spillane, no one envisaged the impact they would have, similar with Geaney. Jack too reverted to Adrain Spillane, for me Barry Dan is not in Jack’s plans once we get to serious ball.
We are where we are, we are favourites, prob more so on history and capability than form, but it would take a momentous effort form any of the remaining three to take us….
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Post by homerj on Jul 5, 2024 10:34:32 GMT
I have just read The Kerryman where Paul Brennan, John O’Dowd, Damian Stack and Shane Enright reported on the match. Astonishingly, none of them commented on the cowardly act of foul play where a Derry player forcibly brought his knee down on the side/abdomen of a prostrate David Clifford . Therefore anybody who was not at the match would be unaware that this loutish behavior took place, behaviour which would have warranted a straight red card in rugby. They understandably go on at length about the poor quality of the game but not a word about that reprehensible act. Why? Surely , we should be as keen to clean up our game and thereby protect our top practitioners as we are to create a better spectacle. I consider those reports in The Kerryman to be a shamefully , unforgivable dereliction of journalistic duty. Lads, you have the privilege of reporting on Kerry football from the best seats in the house. Accordingly, I expect you to record the salient aspects of every game. Perhaps , you don’t regard that incident as being a salient aspect of the Kerry/Derry game. If that is the case that is the point where our paths diverge. journalists can only report on what they see and being at the game, you couldnt see it. no replays were shown. ive seen it back on tv during the week and also, it wasnt clear so how can a journalist write on something that they cant confirm as fact? it may have happened, it probably did, but theres 0 evidence to confirm it did. |
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Post by veteran on Jul 5, 2024 11:57:02 GMT
I have just read The Kerryman where Paul Brennan, John O’Dowd, Damian Stack and Shane Enright reported on the match. Astonishingly, none of them commented on the cowardly act of foul play where a Derry player forcibly brought his knee down on the side/abdomen of a prostrate David Clifford . Therefore anybody who was not at the match would be unaware that this loutish behavior took place, behaviour which would have warranted a straight red card in rugby. They understandably go on at length about the poor quality of the game but not a word about that reprehensible act. Why? Surely , we should be as keen to clean up our game and thereby protect our top practitioners as we are to create a better spectacle. I consider those reports in The Kerryman to be a shamefully , unforgivable dereliction of journalistic duty. Lads, you have the privilege of reporting on Kerry football from the best seats in the house. Accordingly, I expect you to record the salient aspects of every game. Perhaps , you don’t regard that incident as being a salient aspect of the Kerry/Derry game. If that is the case that is the point where our paths diverge. journalists can only report on what they see and being at the game, you couldnt see it. no replays were shown. ive seen it back on tv during the week and also, it wasnt clear so how can a journalist write on something that they cant confirm as fact? it may have happened, it probably did, but theres 0 evidence to confirm it did. It is not necessary to see replays to confirm that an incident took place. It is extraordinary that four people with premium seats did not see the incident while an old man, presumably with inferior eyesight , saw it. It is more extraordinary considering that the incident evoked probably the greatest spectator involvement of the day , judging by the roars that ensued. That would suggest that a lot of people saw it but not the four musketeers from the Kerryman. Perhaps they were fearful of libel but you could record the incident without naming the perpetrator. Poor journalism. I will help them and you . The perpetrator pulled David to the ground and then propelled his knee into the side/abdomen of David. To compound the felony , the perpetrator came back while David lay on the ground and tried to pull him to his feet. Memo to the Kerryman journalists : football is becoming an increasingly nasty game , keep your eyes wide open to report on what happens on and off the ball. You owe that to your readers. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 5, 2024 13:18:31 GMT
journalists can only report on what they see and being at the game, you couldnt see it. no replays were shown. ive seen it back on tv during the week and also, it wasnt clear so how can a journalist write on something that they cant confirm as fact? it may have happened, it probably did, but theres 0 evidence to confirm it did. It is not necessary to see replays to confirm that an incident took place. It is extraordinary that four people with premium seats did not see the incident while an old man, presumably with inferior eyesight , saw it. It is more extraordinary considering that the incident evoked probably the greatest spectator involvement of the day , judging by the roars that ensued. That would suggest that a lot of people saw it but not the four musketeers from the Kerryman. Perhaps they were fearful of libel but you could record the incident without naming the perpetrator. Poor journalism. I will help them and you . The perpetrator pulled David to the ground and then propelled his knee into the side/abdomen of David. To compound the felony , the perpetrator came back while David lay on the ground and tried to pull him to his feet. Memo to the Kerryman journalists : football is becoming an increasingly nasty game , keep your eyes wide open to report on what happens on and off the ball. You owe that to your readers. It was referred to on the Kerry Gaa Podcast on Tuesday night. |
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Post by jackiel on Jul 5, 2024 13:56:01 GMT
I saw it as did anyone I spoke to afterwards, the linesman was close but seemed to have temporary blindness.
I was sitting near the Donegal panel and the lads beside me had it as a straight red but were amazed when David got a yellow for his trouble.
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Post by veteran on Jul 5, 2024 16:47:22 GMT
I saw it as did anyone I spoke to afterwards, the linesman was close but seemed to have temporary blindness. I was sitting near the Donegal panel and the lads beside me had it as a straight red but were amazed when David got a yellow for his trouble. My problem is, in view of my age , that is highly likely that in the near future I will be unable to go to football matches . I will then be relying on people like the journalists from The Kerryman to report on the significant happenings at Kerry matches. Can I trust them? Happily, in any case, it appears that I can depend on people like Jackiel. |
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Post by veteran on Jul 5, 2024 21:51:53 GMT
I have just watched Portugal and France.. And people complain about the standard in the Kerry/ Derry match! What utter garbage dished up by multi millionaires.
The one redeeming feature is that it is the last we will see of that total narcissist, Ronaldo , in this tournament.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 6, 2024 7:11:34 GMT
I have just watched Portugal and France.. And people complain about the standard in the Kerry/ Derry match! What utter garbage dished up by multi millionaires. The one redeeming feature is that it is the last we will see of that total narcissist, Ronaldo , in this tournament. Maybe soccer should set up a team of experts to see what new rules might make the game more attractive |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 10, 2024 2:50:31 GMT
On the face of it, you'd say it'd be incredibly brave & crazy to leave David Clifford & Sean O'Shea unmarked while all Derry players attack, But I'd say Derry would have enough confidence & ability to believe that they wouldn't lose the ball in contact. That they'd get the shot away and that that shot would go dead I don't know I'm only throwing it out And if we did this, were outscored and lost, we'd all be on here Monday morning saying why the hell weren't DC & Sean O'Shea marking their men. 🥺 I'll give you another counterfactual. What if Derry scored a pox goal and won by a point after Kerry had nothing from counter attack? It was a three point game on 72 minutes!!! |
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jul 10, 2024 22:24:19 GMT
I'll give you another counterfactual. What if Derry scored a pox goal and won by a point after Kerry had nothing from counter attack? It was a three point game on 72 minutes!!! And Louth were only three kicks of a balls away from Donegal |
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 11, 2024 11:58:20 GMT
Louth didn’t play Donegal? Oh man.. My bad.Pints on board but Louth beaten easily by Donegal.3 kicks of a ball?That makes it sound better.Sure beat a team by 15 points and its only 5 kicks of a ball. There was 4 pts in it on 50 mins in that game and while Donegal won by 8 they conceded 0-18, so it was a long way from an annihilation. |
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jul 11, 2024 14:56:47 GMT
I was being facetious. Kerry beat Derry well. Talking about poxy goals is akin to reducing Donegal’s comfortable win to ‘three kicks of a ball’ was my point
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 11, 2024 14:58:28 GMT
I was being facetious. Kerry beat Derry well. Talking about poxy goals is akin to reducing Donegal’s comfortable win to ‘three kicks of a ball’ was my point I believe that Kerry were ten points the better team than Dublin in 2011 but didn't go out to win that game and then conceded a goal when they should never have been in that position in the first place. Imo. You don't concede three goals poxily. |
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 11, 2024 17:36:53 GMT
I was being facetious. Kerry beat Derry well. Talking about poxy goals is akin to reducing Donegal’s comfortable win to ‘three kicks of a ball’ was my point I believe that Kerry were ten points the better team than Dublin in 2011 but didn't go out to win that game and then conceded a goal when they should never have been in that position in the first place. Imo. You don't concede three goals poxily. Nail, hammer, head. Although poor ol' Mayo of 2016 came damn close to the concession of 3 poxy goals! |
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Post by exiled on Jul 11, 2024 20:45:56 GMT
As regards the Clifford incident it showed it on the screen in front of the Nally immediately after it happened for a second only. I just happened to see it even though tho my friends beside me didn't.
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