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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jun 30, 2024 22:16:51 GMT
Not long home. It was a less tense affair than the semi last year for sure but god almighty, it was a tough watch. A few things that haven’t been mentioned…Glass got hurt early on. Happened in front of us, he was clearly uncomfortable for a good while afterwards. He took a free with about 10 to go in the first half and that made it worse. Seanie managed a fantastic, instinctive punch to Joe for a point and Clifford got a fabulous mark early doors. That’s about as many of the positive things that stick in my tired mind at the moment, that haven’t been mentioned already. On the negatives…Derry could easily have been a goal up after a minute, joe losing the ball when he was all on his own, the biggest negative of all was how slow it was. Even when Kerry turned them over, it was just so laborious. Almost giving them time to set up. Horses for courses, done now and on to Armagh. I feel there is so much more in the team but we didn’t get to play today. Semi will be more of the same I’m afraid Kerry couldn't hurt Derry on the turnover because we had no forwards up the pitch. I will stop commenting now because I have said my piece. Well, let me say one more time that it was absolutely brutal to watch. Boring. Soccer like. I agree that it was brutal. And I know what you’re saying, there was nowhere to go when we turned them over because there was no one to kick the bloody ball to! I just meant the feeling of despondence was overwhelming in those moments. So slow and nowhere to go. But we live to fight another day. The dubs would be praised for their ‘patience’ but Christ on a bike, it’s so hard to watch.
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Post by john4 on Jun 30, 2024 22:21:53 GMT
Hopefully we get to the final, and win it.
By then, we'll be trying to remember who we had in the QF. Today was about moving on
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Post by carthalawn on Jun 30, 2024 22:21:54 GMT
This game will stand to Kerry, our first real challenge which we won convincingly and gave up very few goal opportunities. On the positives - Diarmuid grew into the game in the second half, he’s on the cusp of making a real mark as a midfielder. Bench were impactful something which was absent in the past. Kick-outs were superb. We were patient against a crowded and disciplined defence. Brosnan took on responsibility, he’s repaid Jacks trust. Net net, we are in an AIL semi-final with plenty of question marks - we will take that.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 30, 2024 22:40:31 GMT
The game in isolation was an affront to Gaelic Football.
However, Kerry played the way they did in order to beat Derry. If Kerry went gung ho into Derry's defence they would cough up the ball and Derry would counter. Today you could see Mickey Harte's tactics from a mile off.
If Kerry played today's type of ball against a team that wanted to play football, I'd be angry. After the game I was annoyed I witnessed something as abhorrent as what I saw. Derry are better than that. Kerry are better than that. Neither is blameless.
This notion that Kerry weren't tested is a fallacy. They had to play a patience game in order to win and not take silly hotshots. They did take potshots but not as bad as if they went all guns blazing. If a team retreats into a 45m shell then Kerry should do what it takes to win. If a team wants to attack, then I expect Kerry go toe to toe with them.
Games are there to be won. Would you be content to lose playing gullible football?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 30, 2024 23:46:16 GMT
Proud of Kerry,
If Dublin done what we done today oit would beall about thier game intelligence.
Derry were a disgrace given their talent.
Kerry showed real football IQ and maturity today.
If ye don't like it stay at home.
Up Kerry.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jul 1, 2024 0:08:47 GMT
I watched the second half back (I don't think I can watch the first half again). A few observations: - They were obviously told at half-time to kick the ball forward more. You see it straight from the throw-in, they kick it forward, and that continued for the half, and bore dividends too. - Derry were a tired team in the second half. You could see it in their shot-choices, instead of working the ball, which would've taken effort, they took on a lot of long-range pot-shots. They coughed up the ball on turnovers, and didn't force any turnovers themselves. All the hallmarks of a tired team. - Clifford came out to the 45 more, which opened things up a bit. - Cillian Burke was a monster. Touched the ball on nearly every possession after he came on. Made a pass for a point (on the fast break), won a free running at the defence, and on Shane Ryan's last kickout, knocked the ball down to Paudie Clifford. - Killian Spillane did what Paul Geaney couldn't, beat his man for a score. The first half was really horrific, but if you watch the second-half, it wasn't so bad (granted, they benefited from a tiring Derry team).
Did geaney not do exactly that in the first half? Watch the game before commenting
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jul 1, 2024 0:10:19 GMT
So many people saying Kerry played slow and laborious .
Go back to 2012 against Donegal, down in 2010 and few other games in recent years, where we attempted to play swashbuckling football against these northern teams and they beat us by drowning us out.
So now we have learned and play them at their own game and for me that’s progress.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 1, 2024 0:13:26 GMT
So many people saying Kerry played slow and laborious . Go back to 2012 against Donegal, down in 2010 and few other games in recent years, where we attempted to play swashbuckling football against these northern teams and they beat us by drowning us out. So now we have learned and play them at their own game and for me that’s progress. I think Jack and Paddy Tally have come up with a good system which should keep us consistent the next few years. We have continuously blood young players also though and not be complacent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2024 0:47:05 GMT
Obviously, we won't complain if we bring Sam home, but this game is a prime example of the urgent reforms needed for gaelic football. Tactics, slow plodding build up, we all fell in love with Kerry football for different reasons, for me I was a young fella when we won in '97, but every game it felt back then had that element of jeopardy,nowadays it's a game of fitness and keep ball and the excitement isn't there. You can't justify a small family paying 200-300 euro to go up to Dublin to watch that, that isn't on us, that's on the current rules, but the game will die if it goes down this road any further. Honestly,I enjoy watching the kerry senior hurling championship even the fodder games over the current iteration of gaelic football at the highest level Proud of Kerry, If Dublin done what we done today oit would beall about thier game intelligence. Derry were a disgrace given their talent. Kerry showed real football IQ and maturity today. If ye don't like it stay at home. Up Kerry. Last line is a ridiculously harsh. The game has become unjustifiably expensive in the current climate to attend for a lot of people. Like I said, for a small family it's a collossal expense to travel potentially three times to Dublin in the space of a month and for games that are horrible to watch.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 1, 2024 2:06:35 GMT
Proud of Kerry, If Dublin done what we done today oit would beall about thier game intelligence. Derry were a disgrace given their talent. Kerry showed real football IQ and maturity today. If ye don't like it stay at home. Up Kerry. Thats a ridiculous comment.'"If i dont like it stay at home".I was already there watching the tripe.I come to support and watch Kerry.I dont know how they will play until i see.I will be at semi too God permitting and hopefully the performance will be better.Today Kerry played boring ball and most neutrals agree with that.Derry .Dublin would have beaten Derry in style today ive no doubt. So Dublin would have ate Kerry and beaten Derry in style today😂😂😂 I can’t say I am too worried. Dublin are out of the championship. Ye’ve had a great run to be fair.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 1, 2024 2:32:16 GMT
Some of the analysis here is far too harsh. No doubt we were too ponderous and cautious in the first half. Nobody wants to turn the ball over needlessly and we got sucked into a tit for tat game. Morley turned one over I think in the first 10 mins or so and I think that almost made the team even more cautious. Management get far too blame and credit in these scenarios. The players on the pitch are the ones who need to drive this forward.
Derry of course have been spooked by the past few weeks and at all times kept masses of bodies back even when they had the ball.
Positively though, we did show patience and minded the ball.
In the second half whether through a bit more bravery or Derry tiring, we did find more space to make plays. There was more intent albeit, we were not always able to get a shot away.
Derry’s play was more sporadic and lacked the bit of cut and when they tried to push on our kick outs in the last quarter, we got them away every time and eventually were able to impact the scoreboard.
Overall not a great game and plenty of improvement needed but there was also a lot right about how we did not panic and kept our discipline. On a day when David, Seanie and Paudie were kept fairly quiet, the rest of the team were able chip in with vital scores.
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Post by kot on Jul 1, 2024 3:33:30 GMT
Lads, I understand where some of the logic is coming from saying Derry were going to set up this way and we had to mirror them etc….. but respectfully to all, its BS. Why are we fearing and adjusting to an inferior team who have lost 3 of the 5 championship games they played and won only one?
Its not as if we didnt know what they were going to do? And when you do you exploit if you are a team with any sort of Liathródí. Everyone thought that Tyrone in 17, 18 were primed to cause Dublin problems…. they didnt mirror them, they punished them. They were coached well and didnt play with fear.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 1, 2024 6:21:18 GMT
Look lads the game was very poor as a spectacle but the point I was trying to make was,
In 2021 Kerry face Tyrone who set up just like Derry yesterday.
Kerry were nieve and kept carrying the ball into contact and were consistently overturned.
They showed yesterday that they can play against those teams by showing patience and using the flanks.
Kerry showed huge amounts of maturity yesterday and we are no longer a 1 man team even though I never thought we were.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 1, 2024 6:28:03 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 1, 2024 7:18:36 GMT
Absolutely delighted with the win.
Sweeney pretty much nails it in that article.
We've been caught far too many times over the years playing daft football taking the ball into contact getting turned over and getting hit on the break. Derry would have been hoping and praying that we played this way carrying the ball through the centre and getting turned over by their massed defensive phalanx or kicking in high ball to an isolated forward outnumbered by three or four Derry defenders (people mentioning Clifford's mark that he won early on - this was a low percentage kick - he did phenomenally well to win it ahead of the two Derry defenders but kicking in ball like this constantly is just losing football - you might get some scores but you'll turn the ball over so many times it will overall cost you) but the team (for the most part) minded the ball well [there were a couple of very cheap turnovers] and played sensibly.
I do think if our shooting hadn't been below par in the first half that the game could have developed differently. What I think was key down the stretch when Derry went a few points down and were forced to chase there was far more space for the forwards to operate in.
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Post by greenandgold on Jul 1, 2024 7:18:55 GMT
Alot of overly negative comments on here- i did not enjoy watch that game but as I reflect back on it - I am trilled with how we handled the last 10-15 mins. So often in the past , we lost the tight game or the ugly game - dour as it was, i think we showed a maturity as an entire team . Last year we complained about being over reliant on clifford- now some are complaining that we didnt seek him out enough. No game is 100% perfect- in ways that is where the excitement comes from . We are so lucky to be from Kerry and to have this team and this game to support- it has flaws of course and no harm In talking about those but be balanced . kerry support in Croke Park yest was poor - we want to think of out-self as supporters- the clue is in the name - Support
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 1, 2024 8:37:29 GMT
Look, Derry played within the rules, albeit off-the-ball stuff with DC etc was poor spirit, their strategy might have been their best chance, and it didn't work. We won a bad one and as others have alluded to, we closed it out and which is encouraging - we must maintain, reinforce that mindset.
Now we could have lost, say if they got a lucky goal, and at 3 up then pack the defence and see it out. As the better team maybe we could have lost if they hadn't been through the mill recently which drained their tank mentally as well as physically, and this why the rules re being examined.
Derry have come a long way and they are now in the top tier - unless I am mistaken nothing has changed with the Mickey Harte project and once the dust settles they will be happy looking forward - Cavanagh fell out with Harte and maybe that had something to do with the ex MF man's spiel on TSnightGame.
Armagh will be up to tricks too but in a way I think KD will be an advantage for us as he may be more likely to have them play more our style - they are hardly a cynical team - that Rian O'Neill is an awesome footballer so that style will bring out the best in him.
For all the talk things have worked out and even from a neutrals perspective we have 4 formidable contenders giving fever pitch excitement for the next month. I think that should be our focus now and to hell with everything else - we will have plenty of time after that to talk about formats, rule changes, etc after that - hopefully it will be punch drink stuff from us as we celebrate!
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Post by decondd2 on Jul 1, 2024 8:39:57 GMT
All the talk before the game was that we were untested, that would be vulnerable in a tight game. We put that to bed (except for Cora Staunton it seems).
We got down and dirty and ground out a comfortable win in a tight game.
The same will be needed to beat Armagh.
What we need to improve on is the speed of counter attack and be more clinical with our shots. Get up from 15 points and 8 wides to 18 points and 5 wides. Maybe take a goal chance as well.
2 weeks to work that out. I feel like we left Jason Foley a bit exposed and Derry exploited it. We sorted it out well in the second half to be fair.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 1, 2024 8:51:18 GMT
I have to say my fears over our HF line were unfounded thankfully.
Tony Brosnan had a fine game with 2 lovely scores.
No Hollywood passes though in big games.
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2024 8:56:55 GMT
Proud of Kerry, If Dublin done what we done today oit would beall about thier game intelligence. Derry were a disgrace given their talent. Kerry showed real football IQ and maturity today. If ye don't like it stay at home. Up Kerry. Thats a ridiculous comment.'"If i dont like it stay at home".I was already there watching the tripe.I come to support and watch Kerry.I dont know how they will play until i see.I will be at semi too God permitting and hopefully the performance will be better.Today Kerry played boring ball and most neutrals agree with that.Derry .Dublin would have beaten Derry in style today ive no doubt. so winning in style is all you care about? Dublin played probably their worst style of football in 40 years to beat us in last years final, wasnt a word said about it, they won the AI, thats all that matters. weve had this cloud hanging over us for 20 years about not being able to beat the northern teams, when it matters, in Croke park. guess what? Tyrone - won Derry - won Derry - won.
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Post by john4 on Jul 1, 2024 9:01:13 GMT
For over 20 years now, Kerry have never gained a grain of respect or gratitude in the national media or elsewhere for trying to play with flair and adventure.
No apologies necessary
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Post by john4 on Jul 1, 2024 9:04:09 GMT
All the talk before the game was that we were untested, that would be vulnerable in a tight game. We put that to bed (except for Cora Staunton it seems). We got down and dirty and ground out a comfortable win in a tight game. The same will be needed to beat Armagh. What we need to improve on is the speed of counter attack and be more clinical with our shots. Get up from 15 points and 8 wides to 18 points and 5 wides. Maybe take a goal chance as well. 2 weeks to work that out. I feel like we left Jason Foley a bit exposed and Derry exploited it. We sorted it out well in the second half to be fair. Has there ever been worse analysis on The Sunday game as there was last night.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 1, 2024 9:20:04 GMT
Absolutely delighted with the win. Sweeney pretty much nails it in that article. We've been caught far too many times over the years playing daft football taking the ball into contact getting turned over and getting hit on the break. Derry would have been hoping and praying that we played this way carrying the ball through the centre and getting turned over by their massed defensive phalanx or kicking in high ball to an isolated forward outnumbered by three or four Derry defenders (people mentioning Clifford's mark that he won early on - this was a low percentage kick - he did phenomenally well to win it ahead of the two Derry defenders but kicking in ball like this constantly is just losing football - you might get some scores but you'll turn the ball over so many times it will overall cost you) but the team (for the most part) minded the ball well [there were a couple of very cheap turnovers] and played sensibly. I do think if our shooting hadn't been below par in the first half that the game could have developed differently. What I think was key down the stretch when Derry went a few points down and were forced to chase there was far more space for the forwards to operate in. Same here, delighted with the win - the Tyrone defeat in '21 was gut wrenching - all the talk/comments afterwards were " did we not know what to expect from Tyrone?" - we were not prepared etc. We showed a maturity, patience and resilience yesterday that won us the game - no carrying ball into traffic, safety first. Was it enjoyable? No, but happy that we are not once again reflecting on a what if and our inability to cope with a blanket defence.
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2024 9:21:43 GMT
not listening, but just seen a tweet from Radio Kerry and they are going on about kerry fans and puke football.
i just hope people arent slagging off the team, because our players will be listening in.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 1, 2024 9:22:24 GMT
Look lads the game was very poor as a spectacle but the point I was trying to make was, In 2021 Kerry face Tyrone who set up just like Derry yesterday. Kerry were nieve and kept carrying the ball into contact and were consistently overturned. They showed yesterday that they can play against those teams by showing patience and using the flanks. Kerry showed huge amounts of maturity yesterday and we are no longer a 1 man team even though I never thought we were. Wholeheartedly agree - we had prepared for their game plan - we stuck to the script - it wasn't pretty but we are in the semis - in '21 we were out!!
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2024 9:25:23 GMT
keep in mind also, we probably had what, 2 training sessions this week, to prepare for Derry! armagh youd imagine we will get together probably 5 or 6 times now in the next 2 weeks.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 1, 2024 9:26:07 GMT
In fairness, there did not seem to be too much off the ball stuff other than the full back, McKaigue on Clifford; the two yellows issued early in the 2nd half were a joke, McKaigue dropped his knees on Clifford, but did not see much else other than incident; of course, the linesman, who was patrolling the Cusack Stand side saw a different incident.
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Post by otobeawinner on Jul 1, 2024 9:47:33 GMT
I was disgusted at half time. An insult to Kerry Football. they turned up the intensity and , at times, the style in the second though and won comfortably. Our subs were outstanding, Derry, overall, were hopeless .I wonder if Jack and Co. had the measure of them early on and knew they could take them?. I'm happy enough David and Seanie were quiet. They will show one of these days. and these last two days are big ones. Kerry Donegal Final. Onwards and upwards. Almost impossible to play against that type of sh1t - Harte set up Derry to frustrate & limit our opportunities- puke 🤮 football of the highest order. Thank God we won - it was a victory for football too. Shades of Dublin/Donegal 2011. victory for football? 2 teams playing puke something (not football). Kerry are in the gutter.
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2024 9:56:43 GMT
For over 20 years now, Kerry have never gained a grain of respect or gratitude in the national media or elsewhere for trying to play with flair and adventure. No apologies necessary Kerry go out and score 20 points but concede 2-8 - "oh, Kerry need to be more defensive and tighten up at the back". kerry lose by 1 point in a s*it game against a northern team - "oh the northern lads, yet again, are too smart for Naive Kerry. well done to Tyrone/Armagh, it was a great game" we had lads complaining we were playing it too safe, especially in the forwards. Jack picks Tony Brosnan to add more scoring power from long range - "oh we dont have enough defensive quality or height around the middle now!" "we arent good enough at midfield" - only 3 contested kick outs, all game yesterday! 3! (we won 2 of them). its absolutely halarious how Kerry football is judged, no matter what we do, its always wrong yet now, we are one game away from 4 AI finals in 6 years since 2019 and lost 1 semi final by 1 point after ET.
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Post by otobeawinner on Jul 1, 2024 10:09:13 GMT
Proud of Kerry, If Dublin done what we done today oit would beall about thier game intelligence. Derry were a disgrace given their talent. Kerry showed real football IQ and maturity today. If ye don't like it stay at home. Up Kerry. Thats a ridiculous comment.'"If i dont like it stay at home".I was already there watching the tripe.I come to support and watch Kerry.I dont know how they will play until i see.I will be at semi too God permitting and hopefully the performance will be better.Today Kerry played boring ball and most neutrals agree with that.Derry .Dublin would have beaten Derry in style today ive no doubt. I for 1 won't be paying to watch that muck again. There are a generation of young adults who won't bother getting there kids involved in a sport based on the hope of 1 entertaining match a year. Why would they. Kerry would have won comfortably if they played a bit more expansoevly. Finally if derry were a disgrace what were Kerry given there far superior talent.
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