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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 30, 2024 19:12:52 GMT
I'm sick of this Paul Geaney experiment. He hasn't played well in at least 3 years and we have him starting and stinking out the place. Burke has to play the next day Paul played very well against Dublin last year in the final. What Kerry forward has played well in the championship thus far?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jun 30, 2024 19:13:06 GMT
Happy to be still in We got joy only on the rare occasion. When we ran at Derry O Beaglaoi took on players ran direct and it created chances Cillian Burks running at the defence also paid huge dividend Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned there going forward Zero penetration today for most of game Determined not to give away any turnovers No risk no reward etc I can’t see this style beating Armagh or Galway or Donegal But I m confident that the management can make the necessary Adjustments
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Post by peanuts on Jun 30, 2024 19:13:44 GMT
Telll me exactly how that Derry team could have been beaten in a more aesthetic performance. Derry defended very well for most of the game had everyone defending at all times. They have two of the fastest players in the country in Ethan Doherty and McCloskey. Our inside forwards were choked for 65 minutes. I don’t see a different way to beat that set up. I thought we showed great character in the second half to grind them down. It will stand us in good stead. Football has changed for the worse but you have to play what’s in front of you more often 15 mobile bodies. Keep two forwards up the pitch at all times. And allow them to have two extra players or sometimes 3 (goalie) in our half. I don’t think you can do that either. I do think we could’ve done a bit more to break them down, Brian was the only one who tried to break a tackle in the first half. I was a bit disappointed in Gavin that he didn’t try to do it once or twice.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jun 30, 2024 19:15:08 GMT
Telll me exactly how that Derry team could have been beaten in a more aesthetic performance. Derry defended very well for most of the game had everyone defending at all times. They have two of the fastest players in the country in Ethan Doherty and McCloskey. Our inside forwards were choked for 65 minutes. I don’t see a different way to beat that set up. I thought we showed great character in the second half to grind them down. It will stand us in good stead. Football has changed for the worse but you have to play what’s in front of you more often 15 mobile bodies. Keep two forwards up the pitch at all times. Derry would score with every attack if we did that with a three man overlap. We’d have 12 defenders with Ryan in goal and they’d have 15 attacking. They’d keep probing and tear us to shreds. Don’t hate the players (the management), hate the game
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 30, 2024 19:22:02 GMT
I'm sick of this Paul Geaney experiment. He hasn't played well in at least 3 years and we have him starting and stinking out the place. Burke has to play the next day Yes. He doesn't offer enough of a threat. He won't take his man on and just recycles. His shooting has deserted him too. Himself and Dara Moynihan will be watching over their shoulder for the next too weeks. Cillian Burke might be a bit raw yet to start a semi or final and it probably suits him to come on and run at tiring defences. I think our 1-9 positions are locked in and it's reassuring to have that solidity. Graham O'Sullivan probably should be ahead of Paul Murphy if both were fully fit but Murphy did very well today and deserves to start as it stands.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 30, 2024 19:24:38 GMT
Keep two forwards up the pitch at all times. And allow them to have two extra players or sometimes 3 (goalie) in our half. I don’t think you can do that either. I do think we could’ve done a bit more to break them down, Brian was the only one who tried to break a tackle in the first half. I was a bit disappointed in Gavin that he didn’t try to do it once or twice. Gavin probably still thinking about his mistake in last year's final.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jun 30, 2024 19:27:57 GMT
Telll me exactly how that Derry team could have been beaten in a more aesthetic performance. Derry defended very well for most of the game had everyone defending at all times. They have two of the fastest players in the country in Ethan Doherty and McCloskey. Our inside forwards were choked for 65 minutes. I don’t see a different way to beat that set up. I thought we showed great character in the second half to grind them down. It will stand us in good stead. Football has changed for the worse but you have to play what’s in front of you more often 15 mobile bodies. Leave our two corner forwards inside and play quick ball into thwm.Also use the high mark into David.We used it once today.We are too slow and laborious.There were times today in the second half we were giung forward at pace and had Derry back peddling and turned back.Paul Geaney was loose at least twice today screaming for the ball in the corner and we went sideways.This is what they are being coached.Having David Clifford under our own post is an insult to him as a footballer. He’s not under our posts by chance. His marker is running up to the pitch to tire him out and put him in ineffective positions. Similarly when ye are giving out about him being out on the 45, that’s because there are 25 people inside the 45. He has no room and he feels like his best chance of getting a ball is on the loop outside (like Mayo in the league). Everyone needs to settle down. We won against a team that set up to make it really difficult. I also thought Jason did well. Sometimes a forward is just on it and I’m not sure he could’ve done much more with the scores McGuigan had. Jason dispossessed him twice in the first half
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 19:34:23 GMT
Let Derry score their two points from having an extra man on the Kerry 65. They won't be long going house if Clifford picks up the ball with company.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 30, 2024 19:54:23 GMT
Armagh or the winners of the other SF will be a different prospect and I'd expect Jack to tweak our tactics accordingly. I don't think Galway will win their SF. They have too many injuries to key players and not enough time to get them right. Apparently the Dubs had a sick squad this week which possibly explains their lack of energy.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 30, 2024 19:54:27 GMT
One of the worst games in the latter stages of the championship I've ever seen, essentially the first half.
But at least we got the result in the end.
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 30, 2024 19:55:00 GMT
Its weird.We are where we want to be and Im still angry.Angry at our style.We so lucky we have talented players as our style woild win effall with other counties.If I was told 2 months ago Kerry would be in an AI semi final and both Dublin and Derry would be gone Id have been laughing with happiness thinking Sam was in the bag and altho we favourites now its a tough ask v Armagh.We are playing the most boring football I have ever seen from a Kerry team.This with a man im charge who was whinging when Donegal beat us in 2012 saying "If I was in charge of a Kerry team that played like that id be given bata agus bothair".Well 12 years on he is in charge of a team playing worse.A few years ago outsiders spoke and were terrified of our forward talent -David Clifford Seanie O Shea Paudie .What did these sublime forwards score from play today.Was it one point combined and its not their fault.Its dowm to our slow laborious play.Ive said it before Jack hated the Tyrone and Donegals because they beat him but he copied their style and Tally must have a huge say.Quirke talks good game but he not showing much either and Murphy either agrees or has no say.Pk was criticised and EF but at least we were exciting.As a fella behind me today said Kerry are the new Wimbledon or like George Grahams boring boring Arsenal.FFs look at our talent .Two speedsters in the back line Foley and White.Attacking backs like O Beaglaoich Tom Sullivan an Paul Murphy.A classy midfielder in Diarmuid and upfront natural scorers like Tony B ,Killian Spillane Paul Geaney Paudie Clifford Seanie O Shea and the maestro himself.We have a top class orchestra but we have no conductor.P.s we are lucky Dubs are gone cos they woikd have ate us. Dublin were a pale shadow of their former selves yesterday. They'll have to wait another while to "ate us alive".
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 30, 2024 19:57:20 GMT
No Kerry were fully complicit in the * show If a laddo on first day at school said that you'd tell him wise up! A Q for those at the game - that DC and SOS were under intensive care, how did they respond, e.g. draw markers out? That we had 2 requiring such treatment must have been an interesting spectacle and moreover with Derry's strategy to squeeze the game. Others may be able to put that Q better, but canny observers know what I'm getting at? I suppose as a fellow Ballydonoghoor I'd be curious re Jason - if he was the only defender who's man may have been rated higher, was there potential for a tactic to address this? PK thought Jason wasn't good enough for McShane, until it was evident that Foley was the least worst option, i.e. a defender may struggle but the full picture might be different, and we did contain them and at their game. Given the similarity of 'backwards football' to soccer, it doesn't look like there is anything obvious we should have been doing that we didn't. Yip Geaneys 'pass' to their goalie is a worry and are teams doing enough practice at long range shooting? Now CO'C had a poor wide too last evening though the news now is that they consumed something that is on recall by Lidl, or Aldi - there was actually a foreign object in Mr Tayto too last week so probably that? JO'C allude to the 100 yard spring backs - does anyone have stats here of such games - mileage, etc? Ain't I becoming very technical here! Vet & co will might help us out here, speaking of which I can't wait for his biography of one MOM - yerra go wan, go wan, go wan, go wan! Bet you had a good day Vet! P.S. Derry played well and didn't have such a bad year when you considering they won the League beating the reigning AI champions - can't blame players for the game plan and they have formidable minors coming through - I also note Sean Cavanagh got one back on Harte here on TSnightG! P.S. 2 Another Q I have is re the immediate impact of our subs - did it show how draining the game was on others and as JO'C alluded to? For all of them to get 10/10 was remarkable and the bench was a card Harte didn't have, so well done again to our boys! I haven't been in Kerry much in Sept for many a year so if anyone thinks I am feeling a bit too good about the world then just take plenty of no notice, I'll get over it, when I see Sam coming down Denny Street towards me!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2024 20:02:49 GMT
I'm sick of this Paul Geaney experiment. He hasn't played well in at least 3 years and we have him starting and stinking out the place. Burke has to play the next day Paul played very well against Dublin last year in the final. What Kerry forward has played well in the championship thus far? He scored a goal that was set up by a beautiful pass my clifford. He played OK, but didn't score in any championship game before that and this year he didn't score in 3 games until today.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jun 30, 2024 20:04:44 GMT
Paul played very well against Dublin last year in the final. What Kerry forward has played well in the championship thus far? He scored a goal that was set up by a beautiful pass my clifford. He played OK, but didn't score in any championship game before that and this year he didn't score in 3 games until today. He scored 5 from play against Monaghan someone just told you
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Post by traleegerry on Jun 30, 2024 20:22:28 GMT
On the train home now from croke park my god what has happened to our beautiful game we were always known as the princes of the pig skin now we are like all the others which I must say started with one Micky Harte who as our pat put it introduced PUKE football I for one will be glad to see the back of him we can take our beating here in Kerry when we are beaten by a better football team the likes of Galway in the 60s and the dubs of the 70s and Offaly in 1982 I will not include what is supposedly the greatest team of all time there 4/5/6 in a row are tarnished by money we may go on and win Sam this year but I am a man of 72 years and the football I saw in the 70s by Kerry Dublin and cork todays rubbish does not compare the win at cost attitude prevails too much
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Post by peanuts on Jun 30, 2024 20:27:22 GMT
The only redeeming thing about todays game IMO is that we usually lose those type of games.
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Post by traleegerry on Jun 30, 2024 20:47:04 GMT
That is very true we do seem to have got tough and I must that is down to paddy tally he has got joe o Connor to get stuck in as he did with glass today never took one step back and I must commend David Clifford with all his talent and skill he is as tough as old boots all the abuse he takes our backs were excellent today very well marshalled David best be prepared for more abuse in the Armagh game
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Post by homerj on Jun 30, 2024 20:52:57 GMT
Alot of over reaction as usual, we won. Did our job and absolutely battered them last 15 mins outscored them 7-2.
Same as last year and worked perfectly. Patience needed, play them at their own game and win.
I never once believed we would lose that game because we were always in complete control.
Kicked points from 5 goal chances, we do need to be more ruthless there but overall, we are doing what we need to do to beat these teams.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 30, 2024 20:53:20 GMT
A lot of messages about Derry's tactics. It takes two to tango. Kerry conceded kickouts, Kerry dropped Clifford back. Derry played more conservatively because we were tanked twice in championship trying to be more expansive, at least we have an excuse.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 30, 2024 20:56:54 GMT
Its weird.We are where we want to be and Im still angry.Angry at our style.We so lucky we have talented players as our style woild win effall with other counties.If I was told 2 months ago Kerry would be in an AI semi final and both Dublin and Derry would be gone Id have been laughing with happiness thinking Sam was in the bag and altho we favourites now its a tough ask v Armagh.We are playing the most boring football I have ever seen from a Kerry team.This with a man im charge who was whinging when Donegal beat us in 2012 saying "If I was in charge of a Kerry team that played like that id be given bata agus bothair".Well 12 years on he is in charge of a team playing worse.A few years ago outsiders spoke and were terrified of our forward talent -David Clifford Seanie O Shea Paudie .What did these sublime forwards score from play today.Was it one point combined and its not their fault.Its dowm to our slow laborious play.Ive said it before Jack hated the Tyrone and Donegals because they beat him but he copied their style and Tally must have a huge say.Quirke talks good game but he not showing much either and Murphy either agrees or has no say.Pk was criticised and EF but at least we were exciting.As a fella behind me today said Kerry are the new Wimbledon or like George Grahams boring boring Arsenal.FFs look at our talent .Two speedsters in the back line Foley and White.Attacking backs like O Beaglaoich Tom Sullivan an Paul Murphy.A classy midfielder in Diarmuid and upfront natural scorers like Tony B ,Killian Spillane Paul Geaney Paudie Clifford Seanie O Shea and the maestro himself.We have a top class orchestra but we have no conductor.P.s we are lucky Dubs are gone cos they woikd have ate us. Mick I do not often agree with you but you nailed it in that post. (The exception is your PS. If Dublin didn't have the legs yesterday how would they eat us? ) Others have said "that's modern football", a comment that is completely invalid. Every team reflects its manager's picture of the game, his fears, his beliefs, his limitations. The present Kerry squad under the right manager could rip any team apart. Watching the game today they didn't have a basic fall back tactic that players could use when there wasn't a chance to to look up and create. Unfortunately our incumbent is very limited. Sometimes a manager can have surprising limitations. Jim Gavin, a military man, saw all his troops as equal. He could not deal with the presence of a genius, Diarmuid Connolly. Diarmuid and Jim did not appear to get on, and Diarmuid did not grace Croke Park as often as he should have and ultimately he under achieved in his career. Doctors differ and patients die. Top class conductors are few and far between.
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Post by paudief on Jun 30, 2024 21:00:32 GMT
I watched the second half back (I don't think I can watch the first half again). A few observations: - They were obviously told at half-time to kick the ball forward more. You see it straight from the throw-in, they kick it forward, and that continued for the half, and bore dividends too. - Derry were a tired team in the second half. You could see it in their shot-choices, instead of working the ball, which would've taken effort, they took on a lot of long-range pot-shots. They coughed up the ball on turnovers, and didn't force any turnovers themselves. All the hallmarks of a tired team. - Clifford came out to the 45 more, which opened things up a bit. - Cillian Burke was a monster. Touched the ball on nearly every possession after he came on. Made a pass for a point (on the fast break), won a free running at the defence, and on Shane Ryan's last kickout, knocked the ball down to Paudie Clifford. - Killian Spillane did what Paul Geaney couldn't, beat his man for a score. The first half was really horrific, but if you watch the second-half, it wasn't so bad (granted, they benefited from a tiring Derry team).
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 30, 2024 21:08:23 GMT
Embarrassing from Derry, when 3 points down with 10 minutes to play, Derry dropped every player into their own half and just let Kerry have the ball in their own half. How does that even make any sense?
Kerry were pretty much in the reverse situation last year and really went after Derry
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Post by exiled on Jun 30, 2024 21:16:17 GMT
Its weird.We are where we want to be and Im still angry.Angry at our style.We so lucky we have talented players as our style woild win effall with other counties.If I was told 2 months ago Kerry would be in an AI semi final and both Dublin and Derry would be gone Id have been laughing with happiness thinking Sam was in the bag and altho we favourites now its a tough ask v Armagh.We are playing the most boring football I have ever seen from a Kerry team.This with a man im charge who was whinging when Donegal beat us in 2012 saying "If I was in charge of a Kerry team that played like that id be given bata agus bothair".Well 12 years on he is in charge of a team playing worse.A few years ago outsiders spoke and were terrified of our forward talent -David Clifford Seanie O Shea Paudie .What did these sublime forwards score from play today.Was it one point combined and its not their fault.Its dowm to our slow laborious play.Ive said it before Jack hated the Tyrone and Donegals because they beat him but he copied their style and Tally must have a huge say.Quirke talks good game but he not showing much either and Murphy either agrees or has no say.Pk was criticised and EF but at least we were exciting.As a fella behind me today said Kerry are the new Wimbledon or like George Grahams boring boring Arsenal.FFs look at our talent .Two speedsters in the back line Foley and White.Attacking backs like O Beaglaoich Tom Sullivan an Paul Murphy.A classy midfielder in Diarmuid and upfront natural scorers like Tony B ,Killian Spillane Paul Geaney Paudie Clifford Seanie O Shea and the maestro himself.We have a top class orchestra but we have no conductor.P.s we are lucky Dubs are gone cos they woikd have ate us. Another anti Jack rant. I'm as sick as any Kerry supporter but you can only dance with the girls in the hall. We beat them at their own game which we couldn't do in other years. When Derry tried attacking football they were well beaten by Donegal Armagh and Galway. If Kerry left players up the pitch today our defence would have been overrun. I hate the football atm but either rules change or we beat them at their own game..and I commend our management in doing that today.
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jun 30, 2024 21:19:15 GMT
Not long home. It was a less tense affair than the semi last year for sure but god almighty, it was a tough watch. A few things that haven’t been mentioned…Glass got hurt early on. Happened in front of us, he was clearly uncomfortable for a good while afterwards. He took a free with about 10 to go in the first half and that made it worse. Seanie managed a fantastic, instinctive punch to Joe for a point and Clifford got a fabulous mark early doors. That’s about as many of the positive things that stick in my tired mind at the moment, that haven’t been mentioned already. On the negatives…Derry could easily have been a goal up after a minute, joe losing the ball when he was all on his own, the biggest negative of all was how slow it was. Even when Kerry turned them over, it was just so laborious. Almost giving them time to set up. Horses for courses, done now and on to Armagh. I feel there is so much more in the team but we didn’t get to play today. Semi will be more of the same I’m afraid
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 21:27:07 GMT
Not long home. It was a less tense affair than the semi last year for sure but god almighty, it was a tough watch. A few things that haven’t been mentioned…Glass got hurt early on. Happened in front of us, he was clearly uncomfortable for a good while afterwards. He took a free with about 10 to go in the first half and that made it worse. Seanie managed a fantastic, instinctive punch to Joe for a point and Clifford got a fabulous mark early doors. That’s about as many of the positive things that stick in my tired mind at the moment, that haven’t been mentioned already. On the negatives…Derry could easily have been a goal up after a minute, joe losing the ball when he was all on his own, the biggest negative of all was how slow it was. Even when Kerry turned them over, it was just so laborious. Almost giving them time to set up. Horses for courses, done now and on to Armagh. I feel there is so much more in the team but we didn’t get to play today. Semi will be more of the same I’m afraid Kerry couldn't hurt Derry on the turnover because we had no forwards up the pitch. I will stop commenting now because I have said my piece. Well, let me say one more time that it was absolutely brutal to watch. Boring. Soccer like.
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Post by southward on Jun 30, 2024 21:30:31 GMT
On a few comments on Derry, and I know I'm being bold here, is it just me or have Derry regressed under Mikey Harte, I actually rate Rory Gallagher more than Mikey, over the last decade or so, a load has been made of Jimmy McGuinness creating the "system" with Donegal in 2012, people forget that Rory Gallagher was 50% of that backroom team, He took over Derry when they were low low, he got them to where they were, the big step up to the top table, before a perfectly timed leaked story pulled the rug from under, ok Mickey was the line when they won the league final, but people forget the man who fueled the car that Mickey is driving with. Mickey brings the aura, the fear factor for us... but in all honesty, I think they have regressed under the Tyrone man... Mickey Harte hasn't beaten a Kerry side in Championship since 2008. I make it that Kerry have now won their last five championship meetings against Mickey Harte-managed teams. 2012 (Tyrone), 2015 (Tyrone), 2019 (Tyrone), 2023 (Louth), 2024 (Derry).
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Post by dano on Jun 30, 2024 21:43:02 GMT
The new rule changes can't come half fast enough. People outside of Kerry don't want us to win. Read any of the other forums. When Kerry played a fast exciting brand of foot ball they had a nationwide following. They will lose some of their own if they keep playing with fear like today. On the other hand, if Derry won there wouldn't be much wrong with it in their fans' eyes and they'd be lauding their dismantling of the Kingdom tonight. Listen to us. We're complaining after winning by five points.On another note, The Donaghy factor will be interesting for the next day. Will he have guys trash talking to the cliffords and Seanie? It was against Armagh that he had his finest hour. The day he left Francie sitting on his Ar** and burst the net.
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Post by exiled on Jun 30, 2024 22:01:18 GMT
The new rule changes can't come half fast enough. People outside of Kerry don't want us to win. Read any of the other forums. When Kerry played a fast exciting brand of foot ball they had a nationwide following. They will lose some of their own if they keep playing with fear like today. On the other hand, if Derry won there wouldn't be much wrong with it in their fans' eyes and they'd be lauding their dismantling of the Kingdom tonight. Listen to us. We're complaining after winning by five points.On another note, The Donaghy factor will be interesting for the next day. Will he have guys trash talking to the cliffords and Seanie? It was against Armagh that he had his finest hour. The day he left Francie sitting on his Ar** and burst the net. Speaking of Star he was sitting in front of me during the game. Didn't see him taking notes.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 30, 2024 22:10:34 GMT
The boys are well used to trash talking these days. JOC got involved with a niggle just as they walked off at half time. We've seen Armagh try that before with Galway. They are cheap yellow cards to get.
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Post by ciarraigodeo on Jun 30, 2024 22:16:51 GMT
Not long home. It was a less tense affair than the semi last year for sure but god almighty, it was a tough watch. A few things that haven’t been mentioned…Glass got hurt early on. Happened in front of us, he was clearly uncomfortable for a good while afterwards. He took a free with about 10 to go in the first half and that made it worse. Seanie managed a fantastic, instinctive punch to Joe for a point and Clifford got a fabulous mark early doors. That’s about as many of the positive things that stick in my tired mind at the moment, that haven’t been mentioned already. On the negatives…Derry could easily have been a goal up after a minute, joe losing the ball when he was all on his own, the biggest negative of all was how slow it was. Even when Kerry turned them over, it was just so laborious. Almost giving them time to set up. Horses for courses, done now and on to Armagh. I feel there is so much more in the team but we didn’t get to play today. Semi will be more of the same I’m afraid Kerry couldn't hurt Derry on the turnover because we had no forwards up the pitch. I will stop commenting now because I have said my piece. Well, let me say one more time that it was absolutely brutal to watch. Boring. Soccer like. I agree that it was brutal. And I know what you’re saying, there was nowhere to go when we turned them over because there was no one to kick the bloody ball to! I just meant the feeling of despondence was overwhelming in those moments. So slow and nowhere to go. But we live to fight another day. The dubs would be praised for their ‘patience’ but Christ on a bike, it’s so hard to watch.
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