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Post by seaniebo on Jun 30, 2024 16:17:10 GMT
At the end of the day a win is a win. We've often been on the wrong side of that type of "game" by forcing it too much in a bygone era. It's fair to say we have a stranglehold on the blanket defence now. Yes it's not pretty but the control we had in that 2nd half was pleasing.
I'd be fairly peeved as a Derry supporter this evening if that's the best they can offer. They have most certainly gone backwards and that's no slight on the Derry supporter who posts here who is as insightful as anyone else. After such a promising 2023 and League performance its amazing the decline. Perhaps Jack O Connor outwitted his nemesis.
I suppose we in Kerry have a desire to win swashbuckling but when you're up against what Derry deployed you'll take a win whatever way it comes.
I will say the few weeks back to back more than likely showed for Derry. In particular the likes of Glass and Rodgers faded with Diarmuid O Connor making huge inroads in the 2nd half. Shows how important it is to finish top of that god awful group malarkey.
A massive plus, for those who will see this performance as a negative one, is the impact off our bench. Remember the quality of our bench is what ultimately cost us last year. We're in a much better spot now in that regard .Cillian Burke is probably not far off man of the match for what he brought to the table. Huge plus to have. I would keep him in that role for the remainder.
Another plus is to win this type of game without the usual suspects putting their mark on proceedings. O Beaglaoich was a class act throughout and would be my overall man of the match.
This game will also bring on Foley who had his hands full. The right switch was made putting Tom O Sullivan on McGuigan. Perhaps the supply lines dryed up to assist said Tom of course but at least the switch was made nonetheless.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 16:26:00 GMT
No this is bollocks analysis. Derry were within a poxy goal of winning.
Kerry had no counterattack shape nor opportunity. Clifford picks up the ball on half way and he is on his own.
Kerry keep two forwards up they win by ten points and Derry have no hope.
This football is losing football.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 30, 2024 16:34:17 GMT
Well done lads. The best team won. Once we fell a couple behind near the end we had no answer. Ultimately it was a Terrible championship for Derry and we have definitely regressed. I hope Mickey isn't in charge next year. We went back to basics to stop leaking all the goals we did earlier in the championship but it meant our attacking play was blunt. It reminded me of Derry in 2021 or 2022. Fair play to McGuigan who stood up again with limited service.
I imagine Armagh will take a similar approach and in current form they will be more potent in attack than us. Kerry will need to up their game to get over the line. I thought your main main were all quiet today.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jun 30, 2024 16:38:32 GMT
No this is bollocks analysis. Derry were within a poxy goal of winning. Kerry had no counterattack shape nor opportunity. Clifford picks up the ball on half way and he is on his own. Kerry keep two forwards up they win by ten points and Derry have no hope. This football is losing football. Yes you are 100% right.We probably being too accepting cos we won but yes our tactics are attrocious.Cat melodian!
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 30, 2024 16:45:30 GMT
The quarter final was often an iffy one for Kerry. There's no escaping the fact that today was the first day we faced top quality opposition. It's glass half full for me.
If we're supping victorious pints on the eve of the 28th July this game will be a distant memory and won't even be mentioned in conversation. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 30, 2024 16:50:44 GMT
Well done lads. The best team won. Once we fell a couple behind near the end we had no answer. Ultimately it was a Terrible championship for Derry and we have definitely regressed. I hope Mickey isn't in charge next year. We went back to basics to stop leaking all the goals we did earlier in the championship but it meant our attacking play was blunt. It reminded me of Derry in 2021 or 2022. Fair play to McGuigan who stood up again with limited service. I imagine Armagh will take a similar approach and in current form they will be more potent in attack than us. Kerry will need to up their game to get over the line. I thought your main main were all quiet today. Derry should've thrown the shackles off the last 10 minutes and gone for it. They let the game pass them by. I'd fancy them against Armagh and then they're in a winnable final.
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Post by paudief on Jun 30, 2024 16:52:01 GMT
Well done lads. The best team won. Once we fell a couple behind near the end we had no answer. Ultimately it was a Terrible championship for Derry and we have definitely regressed. I hope Mickey isn't in charge next year. We went back to basics to stop leaking all the goals we did earlier in the championship but it meant our attacking play was blunt. It reminded me of Derry in 2021 or 2022. Fair play to McGuigan who stood up again with limited service. I imagine Armagh will take a similar approach and in current form they will be more potent in attack than us. Kerry will need to up their game to get over the line. I thought your main main were all quiet today.
Very gracious Derryoak. In your defence, I think it's unfair on teams to be playing three weeks in a row on a one-week break for such a big match. The GAA need to look at that for the future, in a quarter-final both teams should have the same two-week break.
Roscommon were very sluggish, Louth and Derry ran out of gas. Galway upset the odds, but they were the walking-wounded. You might get better matches too, if both teams had the two weeks break. Another casualty of the compressed season.
It's just a case of being fair really, for such a big match, the GAA owe it to the players to have proper preparation time. I think it would've been closer had Derry been a bit fresher.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 16:56:29 GMT
The format says win the group for the advantage.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 16:57:55 GMT
Kerry at 65 minutes reminded me of Kerry vs Dublin in 2011.
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Post by paudief on Jun 30, 2024 16:58:47 GMT
The format says win the group for the advantage.
Ah yeah, I know that, but that's going to be revised next year. Jarlath Burns said it himself, there was a lack of jeopardy in the group-stages this year. So there's gonna be some revision. But for the big matches, you want all the teams with adequate preparation time.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 17:00:08 GMT
The format says win the group for the advantage. Ah yeah, I know that, but that's going to be revised next year. Jarlath Burns said it himself, there was a lack of jeopardy in the group-stages this year. So there's gonna be some revision. But for the big matches, you want all the teams with adequate preparation time.
But there is jeopardy. Don't win the group and play three weeks on the spin.
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Post by paudief on Jun 30, 2024 17:03:53 GMT
But there is jeopardy. Don't win the group and play three weeks on the spin.
There's a fair bit of luck in winning the group though. Armagh and Galway finished level on points, Dublin and Mayo finished level on points. Kerry got a cushy draw, Derry were in the group-of-death. Either way, there are gonna be changes next year, I'm pretty sure.
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Post by paudief on Jun 30, 2024 17:20:27 GMT
But there is jeopardy. Don't win the group and play three weeks on the spin.
And you're right, there is jeopardy, technically. In practice, it seems there's not enough jeopardy to give the group games any real edge. And then you have this unsatisfactory situation for the quarter-finals.
Looking at the weekend, from my point of view, we had three pretty poor quarter-finals, and one good one (Galway-Dublin). I think probably tired teams playing is a factor in this.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 17:31:10 GMT
But there is jeopardy. Don't win the group and play three weeks on the spin. And you're right, there is jeopardy, technically. In practice, it seems there's not enough jeopardy to give the group games any real edge. And then you have this unsatisfactory situation for the quarter-finals. Looking at the weekend, from my point of view, we had three pretty poor quarter-finals, and one good one (Galway-Dublin). I think probably tired teams playing is a factor in this.
I agree with you more on previous point - a Mayo have to play on three weekends despite just missing out on top spot. Etc.
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Post by kot on Jun 30, 2024 17:38:12 GMT
Well lads. We won, but that was an absolute insult of a game to watch. I don’t really care if I get flack for this post, I’m fed up *footing around the big talking point that nobody is talking about. Our management and the misuse of the talent we have.
The only thing that will stop us winning this All Ireland is our management. We are getting deep in spite of them. That was a disgrace of a way we set up. When i looked up from the hogan and saw both Seanie O’Shea and David Clifford marking inside our 14…. Some might say, “thats the modern game”…. Well you can keep it
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 30, 2024 17:42:58 GMT
Well lads. We won, but that was an absolute insult of a game to watch. I don’t really care if I get flack for this post, I’m fed up *footing around the big talking point that nobody is talking about. Our management and the misuse of the talent we have. The only thing that will stop us winning this All Ireland is our management. We are getting deep in spite of them. That was a disgrace of a way we set up. When i looked up from the hogan and saw both Seanie O’Shea and David Clifford marking inside our 14…. Some might say, “thats the modern game”…. Well you can keep it I think banning passing to the keeper would revolutionise the game.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 30, 2024 17:44:44 GMT
Would that be like the worst game at this stage we won?
Trying to remember our crap winning performances,07 v Monaghan maybe??
Feck it 2 steps left 🤞
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Post by greenandgold on Jun 30, 2024 17:46:44 GMT
Have to add that Shane Ryan’s kick outs were excellent today - dont think he missed any and there was alot of pressure on for many of them. Helped our midfield performance i think. V disappointing game- cant understand why we didnt bring more intensity to it but im v happy with how we closed out game - so often this has been a problem - also i thought we didnt have much on the bench but we effectively got 3critical pts from them- scores from D Geaney and Spillane and excellent free won by Burke
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Post by paudief on Jun 30, 2024 17:56:51 GMT
Have to add that Shane Ryan’s kick outs were excellent today - dont think he missed any and there was alot of pressure on for many of them. Helped our midfield performance i think.
Yes, I'd have given him man of the match. That was huge. I was worried when he kicked a long one in the first half, and Conor Glass caught it unchallenged. After that he was impeccable, and any time Derry pressed up, he found men with long balls.
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Post by dano on Jun 30, 2024 18:18:20 GMT
I was disgusted at half time. An insult to Kerry Football. they turned up the intensity and , at times, the style in the second though and won comfortably. Our subs were outstanding, Derry, overall, were hopeless .I wonder if Jack and Co. had the measure of them early on and knew they could take them?. I'm happy enough David and Seanie were quiet. They will show one of these days. and these last two days are big ones. Kerry Donegal Final. Onwards and upwards.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 30, 2024 18:23:41 GMT
I was disgusted at half time. An insult to Kerry Football. they turned up the intensity and , at times, the style in the second though and won comfortably. Our subs were outstanding, Derry, overall, were hopeless .I wonder if Jack and Co. had the measure of them early on and knew they could take them?. I'm happy enough David and Seanie were quiet. They will show one of these days. and these last two days are big ones. Kerry Donegal Final. Onwards and upwards. Derry were easily our equal in the first half. My big worry was they'd score a goal or go ahead by a point or two and we couldn't claw our way back. They're very strong defensively.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 30, 2024 18:32:38 GMT
I was disgusted at half time. An insult to Kerry Football. they turned up the intensity and , at times, the style in the second though and won comfortably. Our subs were outstanding, Derry, overall, were hopeless .I wonder if Jack and Co. had the measure of them early on and knew they could take them?. I'm happy enough David and Seanie were quiet. They will show one of these days. and these last two days are big ones. Kerry Donegal Final. Onwards and upwards. Almost impossible to play against that type of sh1t - Harte set up Derry to frustrate & limit our opportunities- puke 🤮 football of the highest order. Thank God we won - it was a victory for football too. Shades of Dublin/Donegal 2011.
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Post by dano on Jun 30, 2024 18:32:59 GMT
Despite Jason Foley having a tough day The Kerry defense was as strong. Diarmuid O Connor's fetch towards the end was Darraghesque and Ryan's kickouts were 99% success. The one high ball into David, which he caught and kicked over, is a sign of what they can do. Perhaps not showing their hand ?? Derry never came near scoring a goal.
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Post by Hicser on Jun 30, 2024 18:44:37 GMT
Conceding just 10 points is very good. I’m so glad I wasn’t able to go. I’ll expect the same rubbish in the semis. Hopefully Galway beat Donegal so we might have a decent final.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 30, 2024 18:50:07 GMT
Despite Jason Foley having a tough day The Kerry defense was as strong. Diarmuid O Connor's fetch towards the end was Darraghesque and Ryan's kickouts were 99% success. The one high ball into David, which he caught and kicked over, is a sign of what they can do. Perhaps not showing their hand ?? Derry never came near scoring a goal. Derry (McKinless) nearly got a goal after 30 seconds and the punch across the square by Lachlann Murray I think could have been a goal too. At least we weren't as open down the middle.
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Post by fitz on Jun 30, 2024 18:55:07 GMT
Despite Jason Foley having a tough day The Kerry defense was as strong. Diarmuid O Connor's fetch towards the end was Darraghesque and Ryan's kickouts were 99% success. The one high ball into David, which he caught and kicked over, is a sign of what they can do. Perhaps not showing their hand ?? Derry never came near scoring a goal. McKinley’s had a great goal chance in the first minute
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2024 18:57:15 GMT
No Kerry were fully complicit in the * show
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Post by fitz on Jun 30, 2024 19:04:58 GMT
Its weird.We are where we want to be and Im still angry.Angry at our style.We so lucky we have talented players as our style woild win effall with other counties.If I was told 2 months ago Kerry would be in an AI semi final and both Dublin and Derry would be gone Id have been laughing with happiness thinking Sam was in the bag and altho we favourites now its a tough ask v Armagh.We are playing the most boring football I have ever seen from a Kerry team.This with a man im charge who was whinging when Donegal beat us in 2012 saying "If I was in charge of a Kerry team that played like that id be given bata agus bothair".Well 12 years on he is in charge of a team playing worse.A few years ago outsiders spoke and were terrified of our forward talent -David Clifford Seanie O Shea Paudie .What did these sublime forwards score from play today.Was it one point combined and its not their fault.Its dowm to our slow laborious play.Ive said it before Jack hated the Tyrone and Donegals because they beat him but he copied their style and Tally must have a huge say.Quirke talks good game but he not showing much either and Murphy either agrees or has no say.Pk was criticised and EF but at least we were exciting.As a fella behind me today said Kerry are the new Wimbledon or like George Grahams boring boring Arsenal.FFs look at our talent .Two speedsters in the back line Foley and White.Attacking backs like O Beaglaoich Tom Sullivan an Paul Murphy.A classy midfielder in Diarmuid and upfront natural scorers like Tony B ,Killian Spillane Paul Geaney Paudie Clifford Seanie O Shea and the maestro himself.We have a top class orchestra but we have no conductor.P.s we are lucky Dubs are gone cos they woikd have ate us. Telll me exactly how that Derry team could have been beaten in a more aesthetic performance. Derry defended very well for most of the game had everyone defending at all times. They have two of the fastest players in the country in Ethan Doherty and McCloskey. Our inside forwards were choked for 65 minutes. I don’t see a different way to beat that set up. I thought we showed great character in the second half to grind them down. It will stand us in good stead. Football has changed for the worse but you have to play what’s in front of you more often 15 mobile bodies.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 30, 2024 19:06:08 GMT
Its weird.We are where we want to be and Im still angry.Angry at our style.We so lucky we have talented players as our style woild win effall with other counties.If I was told 2 months ago Kerry would be in an AI semi final and both Dublin and Derry would be gone Id have been laughing with happiness thinking Sam was in the bag and altho we favourites now its a tough ask v Armagh.We are playing the most boring football I have ever seen from a Kerry team.This with a man im charge who was whinging when Donegal beat us in 2012 saying "If I was in charge of a Kerry team that played like that id be given bata agus bothair".Well 12 years on he is in charge of a team playing worse.A few years ago outsiders spoke and were terrified of our forward talent -David Clifford Seanie O Shea Paudie .What did these sublime forwards score from play today.Was it one point combined and its not their fault.Its dowm to our slow laborious play.Ive said it before Jack hated the Tyrone and Donegals because they beat him but he copied their style and Tally must have a huge say.Quirke talks good game but he not showing much either and Murphy either agrees or has no say.Pk was criticised and EF but at least we were exciting.As a fella behind me today said Kerry are the new Wimbledon or like George Grahams boring boring Arsenal.FFs look at our talent .Two speedsters in the back line Foley and White.Attacking backs like O Beaglaoich Tom Sullivan an Paul Murphy.A classy midfielder in Diarmuid and upfront natural scorers like Tony B ,Killian Spillane Paul Geaney Paudie Clifford Seanie O Shea and the maestro himself.We have a top class orchestra but we have no conductor.P.s we are lucky Dubs are gone cos they woikd have ate us. You need to talk less and listen more - FYI Derry played a bad hand as good as they could and as BÓB alluded to, we stuck to our game plan as we knew they started with less fuel. We are not football doctors, i.e. we don't treat puke football, we contend with it and contend with it we did until we sensed daylight opening between energy levels, then we empty the bench and pop over a few; and end up scoring 50% more. Harte face told it all at the end - his basic predictable plan was foiled! Of course there was always the off chance of a fluky goal by Derry but we minimised that playing conservative - as JO'C said, enterprising football would have been punished, one mistake and you lose the game. Sad as it is, better win a bad one than lose as good one! There is a lot of football to be played yet and hey, let's savour the weeks ahead like the good old days, you have 4 good teams left and only a fool would rule any one out, and only the biggest fool would go against the favourites.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2024 19:06:47 GMT
I'm sick of this Paul Geaney experiment. He hasn't played well in at least 3 years and we have him starting and stinking out the place. Burke has to play the next day
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