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Post by thehermit on Jun 24, 2024 7:44:31 GMT
Our opponents have had to play 3 weeks on the trot, went to extra time yesterday. If it's a Saturday game on top of that doesn't give the *ers much time to recover.
Still we'll defo need our best performance of campaign so far next weekend!
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Post by mike70 on Jun 24, 2024 8:42:58 GMT
Let the games begin.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 24, 2024 8:52:53 GMT
Delighted to get them. Kerry need a tough game and Derry can be the toughest of the 3 we could have gotten in the draw. If we are shirking away from the tougher games, then what's the point? To be the man, you got to beat the man.
I expect the game on Sunday and I expect Derry will make great use of that extra day. Watching extra time of the Mayo match, Mayo looked out on the their feet compared to Derry. It is not going to be the handy cakewalk Donegal Armagh or Galway got v Derry. Their issues seem to be resolved somewhat.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Jun 24, 2024 9:30:46 GMT
Tough Draw but will focus the mind for the weekend. Hopefully game is Sunday. The 2 major bookies in ireland have game down for different days. One has kerry v Derry down for 6pm Saturday[disgraceful if correct].
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Post by thepope on Jun 24, 2024 9:40:26 GMT
Championship is finally here. Looking forward to this one.
Questions that will be answered, off the top of my head:
Will Derry score enough points to beat Kerry? Derry might need goals which they could get.
Midfield will be interesting as Kerry's new midfield duo are untested at this level. Our last Croke Park trip was not a good night vs. Dublin in the league. We will probably see a lot of short kickouts as teams filter back so we'll see how that goes.
Jack has gone with Brosnan and Geaney as half forwards this year, I hope we've a plan to cover Derry's half back runners in McEvoy, McFaul, McKinless.
Who will cover the top of the 'D' if Morley is moved around by an assigned marker(Dubs did it in 2nd half of final last year and we didn't cover it very well leading to a few tap over scores for Basquel and Mannion). This area of defence needs to be covered as we've given up goal chances in nearly every championship game this year.
Kerry do have a potential spread of scorers in Seanie, Paudie, Tony, Tom, Brian, David etc. I hope we can work them free and continue to kick through the lines, as we have done effectively this year, when the opportunity arises.
It makes for a fascinating encounter.
Ciarraí Abú.
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Post by glengael on Jun 24, 2024 9:44:25 GMT
I wonder if Kerry v Derry will be Saturday- maybe the earlier game, given that Derry played on Saturday of the past weekend so that would give them a week.
By that logic Louth's game will be on the Sunday as they played yesterday so they might put them v Donegal with the Dublin/Galway on Sunday?
Mind you this is the GAA so logic doesn't usually come into it.
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Post by veteran on Jun 24, 2024 9:51:19 GMT
If Derry beat us next weekend it will not be because we have not been “tested” , it will be because we were not good enough on the day. However, we will be good enough on the day.
I notice some people here and elsewhere are are still peddling the canard that we were fortunate to beat Derry last year. My memory of that match is that we played for ten minutes with fourteen men and that we got the last three or four meaningful scores . That does not sound like good fortune to me.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 24, 2024 9:58:04 GMT
Up until Championship 2024, Derry have been consistently an excellent footballing side winning ulster titles and a league title along the way in the last number of seasons. Once Derry secured the league title this season, I didn’t get the same sense that Ulster was the be all and end all but rather they wanted to fast forward to Croke Park and their hunt for Sam.
By their own fault, Derry have been through the ringer since and beaten three times in Championship football but by taking advantage of a flawed system here they stand. Now when tuned in, and primed, Derry remain very dangerous opposition and a serious challenge awaits Kerry.
On the Sunday Game, Éamonn Fitzmaurice must have had the same sense I had yesterday when I wrote my last post that Derry could be coming down the tracks. In a very matter of fact way, Éamonn highlighted how good Derry were at stopping and breaking up play once they lost possession or were turned over by Mayo (by any means necessary and yes, mostly fouling). There’s a desperation about Mickey Harte on the sideline for Derry, and if his brought anything to the party it’s that Derry have gotten even more cynical and desperate in their play – by any means necessary.
Now like all tops sides, we’re no angels and cynical when we have to be but it will absolutely not be in Derry’s interest to play a fast high tempo game for 70+ minutes against Kerry but rather expect long stoppages with outbreaks of football. As Fitzmaurice rightly pointed out, Derry may not have the squad depth and energy to last a hard fast game for the third week on the spin. Therefore, it will be in the best interest of the stamper and company to break this game into small chunks by any means necessary.
If the strategy is right and minds clear then Kerry have the footballing squad to take care of business here. I hope a strong referee is appointed who lays down the law fast and early. However, we can’t control the uncontrollable but Kerry must come with all guns blazing from the off, high pace and fast movement of the ball is an absolute must, and here’s hoping for a dry day and a Kerry victory.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2024 10:12:58 GMT
It's going to be a long week.
If you asked me my main concern it's 2 areas.
1 - Our HF line being defensively aware.
2 - Our midfield breaking even with Glass & Rodgers.
This is the toughest game we could get but Kerry can and will win this match.
Hopefully Graham is fit.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 24, 2024 10:16:09 GMT
When you consider all the minor details regarding the fixture next weekend its likely that Kerry will play the 2nd game on Saturday evening.
Louth will get the maximum break so will play on Sunday. Dublin and Kerry will be kept apart to draw a crowd both days and Dublin will get the traditional Sunday setting in the capital and will not be the curtain raiser so will be second game.
Therefore Kerry on Saturday and most likely not the curtain raiser either unless they want to give Kerry fans the opportunity to drive home in daylight.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2024 10:31:14 GMT
Bookies are favouring the four sides who had last weekend off with Kerry V Derry the tightest odds at Kerry being 1/3 to win. Donegal V Louth is seen as the easiest game to call with Donegal being 1/7 which in any two horse race sounds mad. Dublin are 1/4 to take care of Galway and Armagh at 3/10 are favoured over Roscommon. Very lopsided odds for the four games.
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Post by tralee58 on Jun 24, 2024 10:39:17 GMT
Will it be on GAAGO tv ? Thanks
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 24, 2024 10:47:49 GMT
Will it be on GAAGO tv ? Thanks Yes. 2 on RTE and 2 on GAAGO. Not known which games.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 24, 2024 10:55:02 GMT
When you consider all the minor details regarding the fixture next weekend its likely that Kerry will play the 2nd game on Saturday evening. Louth will get the maximum break so will play on Sunday. Dublin and Kerry will be kept apart to draw a crowd both days and Dublin will get the traditional Sunday setting in the capital and will not be the curtain raiser so will be second game. Therefore Kerry on Saturday and most likely not the curtain raiser either unless they want to give Kerry fans the opportunity to drive home in daylight. Are you joking about the drawing a crowd bit ? The two big games crowd wise are dublin galway and armagh louth our game as usual would probably have the smallest crowd of all games
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2024 10:56:01 GMT
Derry is definitely the best test we can get at this stage of the competition - they are strong in the areas we suspect Kerry are weakest. If we cannot take them next weekend we will have our answer to how our new midfield is progressing most likely.
Hopefully managements faith in some of our emerging talent will be proven right and they can show they have learnt from what has been a steep learning curve.
As others have said - the championship begins in earnest next weekend and fingers crossed we do the business.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 24, 2024 10:59:36 GMT
When you consider all the minor details regarding the fixture next weekend its likely that Kerry will play the 2nd game on Saturday evening. Louth will get the maximum break so will play on Sunday. Dublin and Kerry will be kept apart to draw a crowd both days and Dublin will get the traditional Sunday setting in the capital and will not be the curtain raiser so will be second game. Therefore Kerry on Saturday and most likely not the curtain raiser either unless they want to give Kerry fans the opportunity to drive home in daylight. Are you joking about the drawing a crowd bit ? The two big games crowd wise are dublin galway and armagh louth our game as usual would probably have the smallest crowd of all games You may be right but its knock out football and no guarantee of another day out later in the competition - kids are all on summer holiday and its the perfect opportunity for families to go to a game with reduced rates for kids. Hopefully a decent Kerry crowd supports the team.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 24, 2024 11:02:23 GMT
Any game where there is a kick of the ball in it you could say luck played a factor ! I thought we were the better team vs derry last year from memory just about , same as dublin in the final
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 24, 2024 11:07:23 GMT
When you consider all the minor details regarding the fixture next weekend its likely that Kerry will play the 2nd game on Saturday evening. Louth will get the maximum break so will play on Sunday. Dublin and Kerry will be kept apart to draw a crowd both days and Dublin will get the traditional Sunday setting in the capital and will not be the curtain raiser so will be second game. Therefore Kerry on Saturday and most likely not the curtain raiser either unless they want to give Kerry fans the opportunity to drive home in daylight. Are you joking about the drawing a crowd bit ? The two big games crowd wise are dublin galway and armagh louth our game as usual would probably have the smallest crowd of all games Agreed. Derry-Kerry wouldn't fill Parnell Park. I expect Kerry to play Sunday. Louth will have big support.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2024 11:13:00 GMT
Are you joking about the drawing a crowd bit ? The two big games crowd wise are dublin galway and armagh louth our game as usual would probably have the smallest crowd of all games Agreed. Derry-Kerry wouldn't fill Parnell Park. I expect Kerry to play Sunday. Louth will have big support. God I didn't think we were better at all. Derry seemed to score at ease last year. Derry also felt aggrieved with a few calls we got and they probably have a point. Shane Ryans challenge on McGuigan being one. Clifford got 1 or 2 sift ones in that 2nd half. It was David that dragged us through that game. We are in a better position this year as we are no overly reliant on him.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 24, 2024 11:19:12 GMT
People are making a lot of the 1 week recovery but we beat you last time with 3 of our Glen players on the beer until Wednesday so I expect we'll be better conditioned this time. ...Only joking 😃.
From a Derry point of view our confidence has been shattered. We beat Mayo by going back to basics playing a defensive game, in a way regressing in our development. We ran Kerry so close last year because we just went at them from the first whistle with a very attacking game plan. Ultimately we ran up short as we had a weak bench, didn't take a few good chances and a few decisions went against us. The free at the end and the Shane Ryan point.
We continued to play that attacking style through the league until Donegal shattered it and exposed it for all to see. Armagh did the same in a similar way. The question now is will our old game be enough in Croke park? Will be play the more attacking high press style leaving us very vulnerable to turnovers and long kickouts, which essentially coughed up goal chance after goal chances in the Armagh and Donegal games. Do we have the confidence to do this so soon after those embarrassments? I expect a cagey affair with Mickey wanting to be in the game at half time, from there it might
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 24, 2024 11:26:31 GMT
Hopefully last week wasn’t a flash in the pan and the real Derry show up. I would have my concerns going into this game and would rank them in the following order:
1. Midfield 2. Half Forward Line 3. Central Channel if Tadhg is occupied. 4. Form of David Clifford
I think I don’t need to really elaborate on the midfield concerns. Succinctly put, neither seems to have the defensive positioning nous of a Jack Barry or David Moran. Their ability to win clean or breaking ball is also a concern. We have no options in this area apart from a lightly raced Barry Dan
The half forward and its makeup will be a huge tactical bearing on the game. Will Kerry continue with both Tony and Dara Moynihan in the half forwards? While Tony has played well out there, I think he is what I would call a luxury half forward. We won’t know if he can win breaks etc until the derry game. I presume Paul Geaney will drift out from the corner, or will Jack move Tony B in there and select a Burke or Adrian Spillane in the half forward line. Can our HF line put a half to the gallop of the derry half backs? Its where a lot of their score originate. Is Stephen O’Brien fit to make an impact? Or will Jack overthink it against Mikey Harte and revert Seanie to the number 11 role? A change I believe would show we should resist.
Going on the assumption the Graham is not fit to start what matchups will we see? Jason takes McGuigan again in a repeat of last year. How do we generate an overload to free up Tadgh. What’s the plan if Derry keep him occupied. A big test for Paul Murphy if he starts in the corner.
I know it might sound like complete hyperbole but, the form of the boy wonder has been a bit of an enigma this year. I know there was always going to be a trough given what the family went through last year but, his shooting percentages have dropped a lot. He might be more impactful to dish off the ball than go for the spectacular a lot of the time. Against both Tyrone and Dublin last year he missed a lot of chances. The Tyrone performance was glossed over because of THAT pass but, his radar was equally off in the final.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 24, 2024 11:44:21 GMT
Agree with those making the point on the half forward line, are we happy with Tony Brosnan and Dara Moynihan matching up against Gareth McKinless and Conor Doherty? Paul Geaney’s form is the poorest of the forwards so it could be that Cillian Burke comes in for him and Brosnan starts in the corner. Stephen O’Brien was brilliant when he came on last year at half time. Will we see him this weekend considering he hasn’t seen game time in our 2 previous games for whatever reason?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2024 11:44:22 GMT
Hopefully last week wasn’t a flash in the pan and the real Derry show up. I would have my concerns going into this game and would rank them in the following order: 1. Midfield 2. Half Forward Line 3. Central Channel if Tadhg is occupied. 4. Form of David Clifford I think I don’t need to really elaborate on the midfield concerns. Succinctly put, neither seems to have the defensive positioning nous of a Jack Barry or David Moran. Their ability to win clean or breaking ball is also a concern. We have no options in this area apart from a lightly raced Barry Dan The half forward and its makeup will be a huge tactical bearing on the game. Will Kerry continue with both Tony and Dara Moynihan in the half forwards? While Tony has played well out there, I think he is what I would call a luxury half forward. We won’t know if he can win breaks etc until the derry game. I presume Paul Geaney will drift out from the corner, or will Jack move Tony B in there and select a Burke or Adrian Spillane in the half forward line. Can our HF line put a half to the gallop of the derry half backs? Its where a lot of their score originate. Is Stephen O’Brien fit to make an impact? Or will Jack overthink it against Mikey Harte and revert Seanie to the number 11 role? A change I believe would show we should resist. Going on the assumption the Graham is not fit to start what matchups will we see? Jason takes McGuigan again in a repeat of last year. How do we generate an overload to free up Tadgh. What’s the plan if Derry keep him occupied. A big test for Paul Murphy if he starts in the corner. I know it might sound like complete hyperbole but, the form of the boy wonder has been a bit of an enigma this year. I know there was always going to be a trough given what the family went through last year but, his shooting percentages have dropped a lot. He might be more impactful to dish off the ball than go for the spectacular a lot of the time. Against both Tyrone and Dublin last year he missed a lot of chances. The Tyrone performance was glossed over because of THAT pass but, his radar was equally off in the final. Great Post. I feel exactly the same as this. I'm just hoping David lights up in Croke Park.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 24, 2024 11:45:15 GMT
Derry's lack of accuracy after half time cost them that game.
In the first half we didnt seem to know how to deal with their goalkeeper coming forward and creating overlaps. It wasn't like it was a new tactic that we hadn't seen from them.
Paudie Clifford was well shackled by McCluskey and I'd see that match up again. I think Chrissy McKaigue is not the player he was so maybe they'll try someone else on DC.
Conor Glass seemed to be very quiet last year against us which is unlikely to happen again. It's going to be a serious battle but it's the game I hoped for.
I thought Derry didn't get up to too much gamesmanship last year. When we got the run on them towards the end they should have slowed us down. I expect that to be different this year with Harte on the sideline.
Derry at half time and us to win a close one. Maybe even extra time.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 24, 2024 11:48:10 GMT
Conor Glass seemed to be very quiet last year against us which is unlikely to happen again. It's going to be a serious battle but it's the game I hoped for. I thought Derry didn't get up to too much gamesmanship last year. When we got the run on them towards the end they should have slowed us down. I expect that to be different this year with Harte on the sideline. Derry at half time and us to win a close one. Maybe even extra time. Glass contributed little against Mayo, he was one of their poorest performers. McGuigan isn’t near his form of last year either which is a big positive swing for us.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2024 11:59:51 GMT
Conor Glass seemed to be very quiet last year against us which is unlikely to happen again. It's going to be a serious battle but it's the game I hoped for. I thought Derry didn't get up to too much gamesmanship last year. When we got the run on them towards the end they should have slowed us down. I expect that to be different this year with Harte on the sideline. Derry at half time and us to win a close one. Maybe even extra time. Glass contributed little against Mayo, he was one of their poorest performers. McGuigan isn’t near his form of last year either which is a big positive swing for us. Either is David.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 24, 2024 12:02:42 GMT
McCluskey will definitely pick up Paudie Clifford. He didn't gave him a sniff last year and had him on the back foot.
McGrogan kept Seanie O'Shea quiet last year but then went off injured after scoring a point. We had to move Conor Doherty onto him who also did very well before Seanie clipped a few on the break near the end of the game. I expect Conor Doherty will pick up again given Mcgrogan is out with a cruciate. Doherty did a similar job on Ciaran Kilkenny in the league final.
Chrissy will likely pick up Clifford again but I imagine we will be more defensive this time so hopefully he'll get more support.
To the poster above I thought Glass played well v Mayo and it was Rogers best game since the league final. McGuigans form has dipped since the league mostly his accuracy but the signs of improvement were there v Mayo and I hope he kicks on. Lachlan Murray is a brilliant two footed footballer but he's young and inconsistent.
The match ups are extremely close and I expect the game will go to the wire despite what you might hear in the media.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 24, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
He has had a lot of football played the last 2 years. On his day he's up there in the next level after Fenton in quality. He was brought straight into the league squad after the club final.
Id worry about our aerial ability for long kick outs. Its time for Diarmuid O'Connor to push on now a become a dominant midfielder.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on Jun 24, 2024 12:03:36 GMT
Duplicate post
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 24, 2024 12:12:12 GMT
The GAA app is saying we are down for Sunday at 4.
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