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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 28, 2024 10:21:56 GMT
Yes no repeat fixtures for Semis, if the 4 favourites win it'll be Kerry & Dublin in 1 pot and Armagh & Donegal in the other. I'd like to get Armagh myself but lets get over Derry first. I thought the semi finals were an open draw. Open with the caveat that there's no repeat pairings.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 28, 2024 11:10:26 GMT
I'm half joking with the semi final comment. Weirdly we seem to have more respect from the Kerry fans this year compared to last year but at the minute we are definitely a worse team. Maybe Kerry are too? A few unknowns make this a fascinating encounter:
1. How good are Kerry? Are they the team the has steamrolled the championship so far or the team that got wiped in the league v the Dubs in their last big test.
2. How will Derry approach the game? Go for it like they did all through the league before getting egg on their face in the championship or will they be more conservative.
3. Will Derry's form continue to improve? Will the pre April team turn up or will we see Kerry wipe the floor with the 2024 championship version of this Derry side.
I keep going back to the match ups and I think when I look at both lists of players that this has to be a tight game.
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Post by veteran on Jun 28, 2024 11:45:25 GMT
After the Louth game , I said Kerry gave a display worthy of the 2024 champions elect, subject to a few quibbles. The quibbles were the need to keep two defenders back at all times to deal with swift counter attacks, the need to keep two forwards in-situ as much as possible and the need for outfield players to be aware of David’s constant runs inside. I will be disappointed if I need to articulate those quibbles on Monday morning. Accordingly, in a true run race, I expect Kerry to continue their onward march to the title. By true run race I mean there is no injury to a key player and/or there is no black/red card issued to a key player. Those incidents distort the flow and therefore the outcome of a game. If those conditions obtain , make arrangements for the semifinal
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 28, 2024 11:58:00 GMT
On a few comments on Derry, and I know I'm being bold here, is it just me or have Derry regressed under Mikey Harte, I actually rate Rory Gallagher more than Mikey, over the last decade or so, a load has been made of Jimmy McGuinness creating the "system" with Donegal in 2012, people forget that Rory Gallagher was 50% of that backroom team, He took over Derry when they were low low, he got them to where they were, the big step up to the top table, before a perfectly timed leaked story pulled the rug from under, ok Mickey was the line when they won the league final, but people forget the man who fueled the car that Mickey is driving with.
Mickey brings the aura, the fear factor for us... but in all honesty, I think they have regressed under the Tyrone man...
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 28, 2024 12:58:18 GMT
On a few comments on Derry, and I know I'm being bold here, is it just me or have Derry regressed under Mikey Harte, I actually rate Rory Gallagher more than Mikey, over the last decade or so, a load has been made of Jimmy McGuinness creating the "system" with Donegal in 2012, people forget that Rory Gallagher was 50% of that backroom team, He took over Derry when they were low low, he got them to where they were, the big step up to the top table, before a perfectly timed leaked story pulled the rug from under, ok Mickey was the line when they won the league final, but people forget the man who fueled the car that Mickey is driving with. Mickey brings the aura, the fear factor for us... but in all honesty, I think they have regressed under the Tyrone man... Mickey Harte hasn't beaten a Kerry side in Championship since 2008.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 28, 2024 12:59:02 GMT
I'm half joking with the semi final comment. Weirdly we seem to have more respect from the Kerry fans this year compared to last year but at the minute we are definitely a worse team. Maybe Kerry are too? A few unknowns make this a fascinating encounter: 1. How good are Kerry? Are they the team the has steamrolled the championship so far or the team that got wiped in the league v the Dubs in their last big test. 2. How will Derry approach the game? Go for it like they did all through the league before getting egg on their face in the championship or will they be more conservative. 3. Will Derry's form continue to improve? Will the pre April team turn up or will we see Kerry wipe the floor with the 2024 championship version of this Derry side. I keep going back to the match ups and I think when I look at both lists of players that this has to be a tight game. Derry would have gotten respect from Kerry fans for their very good performance vs Kerry last year. I would usually say that a team would have to beat Kerry to get such respect.
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Post by derryoak on Jun 28, 2024 15:18:41 GMT
On a few comments on Derry, and I know I'm being bold here, is it just me or have Derry regressed under Mikey Harte, I actually rate Rory Gallagher more than Mikey, over the last decade or so, a load has been made of Jimmy McGuinness creating the "system" with Donegal in 2012, people forget that Rory Gallagher was 50% of that backroom team, He took over Derry when they were low low, he got them to where they were, the big step up to the top table, before a perfectly timed leaked story pulled the rug from under, ok Mickey was the line when they won the league final, but people forget the man who fueled the car that Mickey is driving with. Mickey brings the aura, the fear factor for us... but in all honesty, I think they have regressed under the Tyrone man... Maybe but I would nt judge Harte on one season.Tbf I thought Derry played away more exciting football after Gallagher left like last years semi final albeit Harte was nt at the helm.Derry did win league though under Harte and played very good football doing so.No more than McGuinness ,Harte is tagged with boring football but our Jack copied their style.Also while Tyrone were boring in 03 they played superb football in 05 and 08 on route to their All Ireland wins. Every Derry fan knows that the team are where they are because of Rory Gallagher. He changed everything in the county and gave the players belief. But for the accusations most fans would have been happy to see him in place for another 5 years. I remember a couple of years ago when we were improving in Div 2 he did an interview where he said Derry have players that can win all stars and compete with the Kerry's and Dublin's of this world. I thought he was mad but he was right. I did wonder if Donegals success was as much down to him as McGuinness. I actually think Jim has copied him a bit with the new Donegal. In the build up to our Ulster championship game v Donegal this year a lot of the talk was Harte v McGuinness. What I really would have liked to see what Gallagher v McGuinness. I can guarantee we wouldn't have put in the shocking performance we did. Has Harte made Derry regress? I'm not sure. I definitely wouldn't have said that during the league, if anything he added to what Gallagher did and we were a bit less processed with much more kicking. His problem is he approached Ulster with the same tactics he approached Dublin and you can't do that. Especially when he lost a few to injury as well. He thought we'd beat Donegal playing our game and there was a bit of arrogance in that. Our problems compounded from that point. The narrative will be written after Sunday no doubt.
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Post by tralee58 on Jun 28, 2024 15:21:48 GMT
I see the usual commentary that we (Derry) play very defensive. I do wonder sometimes if people actually watch football. I seen the same before the semi final last year. I wish that was the case and maybe we wouldn't have conceded 9 goals in 3 championship games or gave Clifford the run of Croke park with endless 1 on 1s last year. Derry attack with all 15 players which left us very exposed v the Armagh's and Donegal's of this world. It looked great in the league final against a more open Dublin. As a poster above alluded to, the biggest unknown is how Mickey Harte approaches this game. Does he go back to basics like the Mayo game or back to the game that won us the league and nearly the AI semi last year. The semi finals should be open draw in my opinion. It will potentially be the second year in a row that Kerry and Dublin get to avoid eachother because 2 Ulster teams made the last 4. Good to see you are looking forward to the last 4 already! Interesting post. The Derry comments from Kerry I read have been very respectful and complimentary. Two great traditional Gaelic counties. Personally I thoroughly enjoyed watching Derry play. May the best team win on Sunday. CIARRAI Abu.
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 28, 2024 15:52:08 GMT
Derry are a better team than last year mainly because their bench has more dept. Lachlan Murray is also a great addition to the starting 15. They were excellent for the most part in last year's semifinal. In the second half their shooting left them down and down the stretch that lack of dept. Kerry were taken completely by surprise by their all out attach and it took them for ages to get to terms with Lynch creating overlaps. They showed none of what was to come against Cork, a game in which they were were mediocre. The black card didn't help either as Derry made hay during that 10 minute period. At the 63rd minute mark I would have gladly taken a draw and the dreaded penalties and I would envision so would most of our supporters. Then came the tactical change which compounded Derry's short comings. We would have won pulling up only for Tony's tap over dropping short.
I expect Derry to come out with all guns blazing and Kerry to be prepared this time. Whether that preparedness is good enough is the question. Derry are coming into this game on the perfect footing, I don't for a second believe in this tiredness nonsense with regards Derry, they did not incur any injuries against Mayo and they will have eight days of rest. Their Mojo also seems to be returning. Galway is a totally different matter against Dublin, they of all teams need a break.
History has indicated that Kerry finds it very difficult to come to grips with the Derry style of play. A solution needs to be found fast. Five scoring forwards, keeping their shape along with dictating terms of engagement may be the perfect answer. This is a 50/50 game no matter what way I look at it. Where Kerry really are at the moment adds to the puzzle, we will know within 10 minutes of throw in. Can't wait, really looking forward to this one. Intriguing in many ways.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 28, 2024 20:31:23 GMT
I called out to Dingle earlier today to pay my respects to one of Kerry’s greatest ever people in public domain. RIP Micheál. As I bid my respects, I could not wonder what the man himself would think, but as we all know, he always held his council, in public at least. So I took the opportunity to reflect and I definitely have concerns, mostly around our HF line and MF, if Derry can start dominating here, our goals will come under assault from a resurgent Derry HB line. So I hope we have a good plan I lar na pairce , we also have a super attacking back line with TOS & BOB, but I do think we might suffer early doors with the Derry intensity, but like we all believe after their 3 match trilogy we expect them to fade in the last 20. I really do hope that joe and Diarmuid can up their game to relief pressure. Still think kerry to win but could be uncomfortable for long periods. Ciarrai Abu
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Post by mossie on Jun 28, 2024 23:12:38 GMT
I called out to Dingle earlier today to pay my respects to one of Kerry’s greatest ever people in public domain. RIP Micheál. As I bid my respects, I could not wonder what the man himself would think, but as we all know, he always held his council, in public at least. So I took the opportunity to reflect and I definitely have concerns, mostly around our HF line and MF, if Derry can start dominating here, our goals will come under assault from a resurgent Derry HB line. So I hope we have a good plan I lar na pairce , we also have a super attacking back line with TOS & BOB, but I do think we might suffer early doors with the Derry intensity, but like we all believe after their 3 match trilogy we expect them to fade in the last 20. I really do hope that joe and Diarmuid can up their game to relief pressure. Still think kerry to win but could be uncomfortable for long periods. Ciarrai Abu midfield is key if Glass and Rodgers click then they can wipe out any midfield pairing in the country if we struggle there was are seriously on the back foot, if we do okay there, we will win by 5 or pts That is how I call it anyways
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2024 1:59:30 GMT
Glass is overrated. I just keep writing hostages to fortune.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 29, 2024 7:18:18 GMT
Glass is overrated. I just keep writing hostages to fortune. I think that’s a bit unfair, agree we have seen some under performances by him, but I have also seen some master classes by him and the partnership with Rogers has them in the top 3 MF partnership in the country.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2024 7:58:47 GMT
Glass is overrated. I just keep writing hostages to fortune. I think that’s a bit unfair, agree we have seen some under performances by him, but I have also seen some master classes by him and the partnership with Rogers has them in the top 3 MF partnership in the country. Our much maligned midfields have a habit of performing very well against more lauded duos.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 29, 2024 8:11:15 GMT
Btw is a draw is necessary it will be on TSG immediately after our game. Good commentary on here, fairly fleshing it out, Dean Rock also good one in IT and where he thinks we will kick in naturally. I agree but then it is Harte we are dealing with and that in a sense he has nothing to lose I think he might take a chance on some tactic that he may or not have drilled onto his men.
Up chiarrai!
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Post by mike70 on Jun 29, 2024 8:44:33 GMT
I think that’s a bit unfair, agree we have seen some under performances by him, but I have also seen some master classes by him and the partnership with Rogers has them in the top 3 MF partnership in the country. Our much maligned midfields have a habit of performing very well against more lauded duos. I wish the 2 boys in the middle all the best, both capable operators for sure, we just miss consistency, be glad to see them win their battle this weekend.
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Post by paudief on Jun 29, 2024 8:50:08 GMT
Dean Rock: Time for Kerry to move up a gear in their quest to reclaim Sam
Tadhg Morley and David Clifford will be aiming to help Kerry lay down a marker to all fellow challengers when they face Derry in the All-Ireland quarter-final at Croke Park. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
Dean Rock Sat Jun 29 2024 - 06:00 It’s moving weekend for Kerry. Having quietly gone about their business until this point, it feels like the Kingdom are finally about to make some noise. Kerry’s championship has been a series of routine victories over middle ranking opponents – they won four of their five matches by double digits. Three of their championship outings were against Division Two teams – Cork, Meath and Louth – one against a Division Three side (Clare), while Monaghan were relegated from Division One. Derry are the Division One National League champions. So, on the face of it, perhaps it’s understandable there is a school of thought that Kerry might be undercooked entering Sunday’s All-Ireland quarter-final. But I’m expecting a big performance from Jack O’Connor side, because nothing on Kerry’s journey to this stage would have come as a surprise to them – they always planned to be in Croke Park this weekend and they’d have figured on getting here with minimal fuss. I have no doubt Kerry have been timing their run and we’ll see them start to pick up the pace now. It’s not as if this is a scenario they haven’t previously experienced. Indeed, not only do I expect a big performance from Kerry, but I reckon they will beat Derry pretty convincingly. Because if Kerry’s route to this point has been relatively straightforward and incident-free, Derry’s journey has been unconventional and chaotic. I felt last week’s trip to Castlebar was going to be a real test of their character and, to be fair, they came away from MacHale Park with a significant victory. But the bar goes up another level again now because, with the greatest of respect to Mayo, I don’t believe that Mayo team are anywhere near the level of Kerry right now. Had Mayo started strongly last weekend, Derry might have folded because they are still not operating at the level they were during the league. Derry are still fragile. However, Kevin McStay’s men weren’t able to deliver a knockout blow. So, Kerry will look to put Derry on the back foot from the off in Croke Park, build up an early lead and test the resilience and desire of their opponents.
Brian Ó Beaglaoich: played the full match against Meath – the first time in two years he started and finished a game for the Kingdom. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho Despite the lack of a serious challenge and this perception Kerry are vulnerable by consequence of not having dug out wins from hard-fought matches, my hunch is they will be quite happy and content in terms of where they are at four weeks out from a potential All-Ireland final. I can remember similar concerns doing the rounds about Dublin in relation to the Leinster championship for many years. It was suggested that a lack of competitive games in the provincial championship could leave us in danger of getting caught in the All-Ireland series. Personally, I always felt there was a bit much made of it. The really good players generally rise to whatever level is put in front of them, these are the games they have been waiting for all season. The Kerry players have been aware for months that the real test of their abilities lies beyond Munster and beyond the round-robin stages. The trick was to get to the end of June without key players picking up injuries – and they look to have negotiated that pretty well. Graham O’Sullivan is coming back from injury and is named among the subs while Brian Ó Beaglaoich played the full match against Meath – the first time in two years he started and finished a game for the Kingdom, and he is again named in the first 15 for Sunday. But when we talk about Kerry’s key players, clearly David Clifford and Seán O’Shea are central to their All-Ireland ambitions.
Monaghan's Ryan O'Toole tackles Kerry's Sean O'Shea. O'Shea and David Clifford remain central to the Kingdom's All-Ireland ambitions. Photograph: Ken Sutton/Inpho Having two players of that talent causes real headaches for opposing managers – because you have to put a lot of emphasis on curtailing those guys. But that can free up other players to take advantage of the space created by double-ups on Clifford and O’Shea. And when they both play inside, it forces the opposition sweeper to also drop deep and take a position around the 20m line. When the sweeper is situated there, that suits Kerry because it opens up space for their running game. And they have loads of options in that regard, with players driving forward and popping over scores. The conundrum for the opposition then is – if Kerry are hurting you with their running game, should you push the sweeper further out the field to halt that closer to source? Because if you do push the sweeper out, you are creating an environment that allows Kerry to execute those kick passes in behind to Clifford and O’Shea. Derry will be hoping to build a platform at midfield with Conor Glass and Brendan Rogers, so Kerry will need big performances from Diarmuid O’Connor and Joe O’Connor.
Derry’s Brendan Rogers and Conor Glass celebrate the late point which forced the game against Mayo to extra time. Derry will look to the duo for an edge at midfield against Kerry. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho I rate Shane Ryan highly and his kickouts will be crucial. I’d expect Derry to push up at certain times and look to put a massive squeeze on Kerry restarts, which means there will be lots of contests around the middle and we are likely to see a lot of breaking ball battles. I think Kerry can hold their own in that area. But if Derry do get joy on the kickouts, they must make it count on the scoreboard – because they haven’t been scoring enough recently to scare the top teams. Derry’s highest scoring return in a championship match this year is 0-17. Kerry’s lowest scoring return is 0-18. Of course, there will be some extra resonance to the game on Sunday given the sad passing of Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh during the week. My dad would have done a lot of match commentaries alongside Micheál, and as a kid I would have regularly tagged along. He was an incredible man, I can still remember him telling me he could see me playing for Dublin – long before that even felt like a possibility.
Micheál Ó Muircheartaigh: the great Kerry native was a national institution and his voice was a familiar feature in the lives of so many people over his long broadcasting career. Photograph: Gareth Chaney Collins He was that kind of a grandad figure, you loved meeting him. His daughter, Doireann, would be there too at the matches and I’d be sitting beside her going through the programme. There would have been family Sunday drives as well where dad would make sure we were all in the car for the start of whatever match was on, and so invariably you’d have Micheál’s voice filling the car for the entire trip. You’d have been kicking around in the garden at times too when you’d find yourself self-commentating and using some of Micheál’s phrases. He was a national institution and his voice was a feature in the lives of so many people. Micheál’s impact and legacy will continue to be present in the GAA for many years to come. As for his county’s footballers, chances are they will continue to feature in the championship beyond this weekend too.
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Post by thehatchingsedge on Jun 29, 2024 9:46:48 GMT
Hi All, I have a train ticket for tomorrow up and down from Killarney, free to a good home if anyone wants it? I can't go and it will just be wasted. I am a forum reader for years but not a poster but I gather I can get private messages via this platform if anyone want it. Thanks
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 29, 2024 16:31:47 GMT
Safe travels lads,
Give yourselves plenty of time as Dublin is very busy this weekend.
I hope we all are very vocal as this could be it for 7 long months.
Up The Kingdom,
All the best to Jack and the lads incredibly lucky to follow a team and county like Kerry.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 29, 2024 16:32:54 GMT
Hi lads, parking is going to be a disaster tomorrow with two games, four concerts and the march through Dublin, years ago parking was available on the grounds of Clonliffe College, think it was about a fiver or tenner or so at the time .. does anyone know if this is done anymore?
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 29, 2024 17:19:50 GMT
Hi lads, parking is going to be a disaster tomorrow with two games, four concerts and the march through Dublin, years ago parking was available on the grounds of Clonliffe College, think it was about a fiver or tenner or so at the time .. does anyone know if this is done anymore? Clonliffe has changed hands & has not been available for a few years now. The GAA purchased it & subsequently sold more than half of it for housing.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 29, 2024 17:54:38 GMT
Hi lads, parking is going to be a disaster tomorrow with two games, four concerts and the march through Dublin, years ago parking was available on the grounds of Clonliffe College, think it was about a fiver or tenner or so at the time .. does anyone know if this is done anymore? Clonliffe has changed hands & has not been available for a few years now. The GAA purchased it & subsequently sold more than half of it for housing. Thanks Green&Gold
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Post by forpucksake on Jun 29, 2024 18:55:28 GMT
Fair play to you Galway. The championship has just opened up nicely. A few pints I think.
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Post by southward on Jun 29, 2024 18:57:23 GMT
Well well..
All four semi-finalists will fancy their chances now.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 29, 2024 19:44:48 GMT
Settle lads
The exact same scenario happened in 2021.
Kerry need to do the business tomorrow and forget about Dublin being out.
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Post by shannonsider on Jun 29, 2024 19:50:56 GMT
Hi lads, parking is going to be a disaster tomorrow with two games, four concerts and the march through Dublin, years ago parking was available on the grounds of Clonliffe College, think it was about a fiver or tenner or so at the time .. does anyone know if this is done anymore? The mater car park on Eccles St is a good option or alternatively Scoil ui Chonaill behind the canal end is an option.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 29, 2024 19:54:24 GMT
Kerry's antenna is well up for this match. There's absolutely no excuses for this one. We're either good enough now or we're not.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 29, 2024 20:23:34 GMT
Hi lads, parking is going to be a disaster tomorrow with two games, four concerts and the march through Dublin, years ago parking was available on the grounds of Clonliffe College, think it was about a fiver or tenner or so at the time .. does anyone know if this is done anymore? The mater car park on Eccles St is a good option or alternatively Scoil ui Chonaill behind the canal end is an option. Thanks Shannonsider
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2024 21:03:03 GMT
Mickey Harte will be telling Derry that Kerry think they have Sam in the bag.
Danger Danger.
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Post by exiled on Jun 29, 2024 22:22:45 GMT
Mickey Harte will be telling Derry that Kerry think they have Sam in the bag. Danger Danger. Yes indeed and subconsiously the Dub result could affect Kerry. Maybe Derry will think that they will win A1 as Dublin are out. Can't see it being a factor honestly.
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