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Post by givehimaball on Jul 30, 2024 11:35:20 GMT
I think we have to ask that about ourselves? Armagh are the definition of a team. Yes they've a great team spirit but I don't think they'll win back to back or dominate football for a few years. They were very lucky against us and Galway. I know you make your own luck but also luck evens out. I think they'll be like Tyrone in '21. Campbell, Grugan. Forker, Murnin, Nugent, Rafferty, Hall, Burns are all over 30 and there's a couple more who'll be over the 30 mark before too long. Armagh's underage and club record is fairly poor of late so it's not as if there is a queue of strong prospects on the horizon. There's no chance they will dominate football for a few years and I'd be of the opinion that the likelihood of another All-Ireland any time soon is small enough. |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 30, 2024 12:32:19 GMT
Poor championship this year standard was bad overall. An average Armagh team are all Ireland champions. Dublins drop off in standards made for an ordinary championship. They stopped producing the players they have produced over the last 10 years. They basically went back this year to the standard of other teams . Kerry went backwards. Players like David Clifford and Sean O’Shea living off past performances in years past . Kerry were poor this year and have not much coming up . Future looks bleak honestly. With Dublin and Kerry gone backwards. Somebody had to step up and take the chance . And to give Armagh credit they did that . What they don’t have in talent they make up for in heart and commitment I’ll give them that a tremendous never say die attitude. Mayo again failed to deliver . Derry peaked too early and were poor in the championship. They rely totally on Shane McGuigan for scores and when he’s not performing they don’t have enough talent upfront to succeed. Tyrone were poor. Very average and Roscommon showed that. I had Armagh ranked 8 in my rankings for the All Ireland just ahead of Roscommon. So I was really surprised to see them do it. It’s really open next year. Hopefully the standard can be better. Hopefully. Not a cheery picture your painting with a long, long winter ahead. I hope to feck you're wrong about Kerry!! |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 30, 2024 12:33:55 GMT
Yes they've a great team spirit but I don't think they'll win back to back or dominate football for a few years. They were very lucky against us and Galway. I know you make your own luck but also luck evens out. I think they'll be like Tyrone in '21. Campbell, Grugan. Forker, Murnin, Nugent, Rafferty, Hall, Burns are all over 30 and there's a couple more who'll be over the 30 mark before too long. Armagh's underage and club record is fairly poor of late so it's not as if there is a queue of strong prospects on the horizon. There's no chance they will dominate football for a few years and I'd be of the opinion that the likelihood of another All-Ireland any time soon is small enough. Sure does it matter, for a county that never reached the promised land a hell of a lot of Armagh people have now experienced them climbing the steps of the Hogan twice in their lifetime! I'm sure the long wait made it so much the sweater, and getting the second one after so long proves they aren't a one hit wonder and it can only inspire and motivate Armagh teams in all the decades to come now. |
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Post by thehermit on Jul 30, 2024 12:42:25 GMT
The more I think about it the more similarities I see between 2024 and 2010 - a totally unique final pairing; the reigning AI Champions dumped out unceremoniously at the Q-final stage; the other big favorite (Tyrone then/Kerry now) seemingly going backwards; two cracking semi-finals; followed but by a poor final and a serious head scratch in terms of picking forwards for All Starts! Remember not one Cork forward got a gong that year!!
Now the big difference between both championships is that, perhaps, the unheralded Northern team in the final this time were the ones to come out on top. In 2010 that Cork side were a top 2/3 team for a number of years then and deserved to finally get their title, I don't think this Galway side can claim to be as good as them on current evidence.
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Post by armaghniac on Jul 30, 2024 13:47:41 GMT
Yes they've a great team spirit but I don't think they'll win back to back or dominate football for a few years. They were very lucky against us and Galway. I know you make your own luck but also luck evens out. I think they'll be like Tyrone in '21. Campbell, Grugan. Forker, Murnin, Nugent, Rafferty, Hall, Burns are all over 30 and there's a couple more who'll be over the 30 mark before too long. Armagh's underage and club record is fairly poor of late so it's not as if there is a queue of strong prospects on the horizon. There's no chance they will dominate football for a few years and I'd be of the opinion that the likelihood of another All-Ireland any time soon is small enough. I don't think any team will dominate for next few years. Armagh are not going to win a succession of titles, but can be in the mix. The present team has players who mostly did not play on title winning underage teams. However, Armagh were in the minor All Ireland final this year and have good players in the U20, including another O'Neill brother. A leading club record is not that relevant, when did a Tyrone senior club win anything outside their county? There is a comparison with 2010, but Down that year were completely from left of field, in 2009, they lost in Ulster to Fermanagh and in the qualifiers to Wicklow! I'm not sure what odds they were in 2010, but nobody could have foreseen them reaching the final. Armagh were in the half dozen teams pretty certain to reach the quarter finals and so with a chance of proceeding. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 30, 2024 15:40:26 GMT
theres been 4 different winners now in the last 4 years, Kerry been in 4 semi finals and 2 finals, probably the #1 ranked team overall in this period with Dublin 2nd by virtue of losing one 1/4 final.
with the way the game is now, the margins are too tight to call anything though hopefully some rule changes around having to leave your players inside 45 comes in urgently otherwise we will have Ulster dominance for a long time now.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 30, 2024 17:11:37 GMT
Yes they've a great team spirit but I don't think they'll win back to back or dominate football for a few years. They were very lucky against us and Galway. I know you make your own luck but also luck evens out. I think they'll be like Tyrone in '21. Campbell, Grugan. Forker, Murnin, Nugent, Rafferty, Hall, Burns are all over 30 and there's a couple more who'll be over the 30 mark before too long. Armagh's underage and club record is fairly poor of late so it's not as if there is a queue of strong prospects on the horizon. There's no chance they will dominate football for a few years and I'd be of the opinion that the likelihood of another All-Ireland any time soon is small enough. I was thinking the same thing when I saw their team profile before the final - an aging team. Galway are actually a young team but their big names are older. I'm sure they'll be motivated about doing back to back and showing they're not a one hit wonder but it only requires a small drop in hunger to lose competitiveness. I don't think they've great forwards to dominate. They don't score much against top teams. They'll obviously definitely be top 5 next year but that's it. Anyway I'm happy to see them winning but really Kerry should be kicking themselves. There's no real very strong teams at the moment. |
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 30, 2024 22:00:14 GMT
The Galway team for Sunday is pasted in below. Watching a few of their games over the summer and it is easy to envy the vein of form their defense, midfield and half forward line have found this year. Mcgrath, Glynn and McHugh have been flying, chipping in with points while keeping things secure at home. Paul Conroy is having the season of his life and Cillian Mcdaid has found an extra level again which is saying something given how well he was playing in 2022. Their bench has had an impact in tight matches, for example see Heaney and Culhane against Dublin in the quarter final. All of this while Walsh and Comer are half legged! However, there are a few weaknesses there that Armagh will target. John Maher is playing some mighty football but I wouldn't like to see him having to cope with a high paced game. Robbie Finnerty can be hit or miss and it will be interesting to see how he goes on Sunday. And the keeper, Gleeson, has always been capable of lapses in concentration and/or weird decision making. The Ulster boys will be watching keenly to capitalise on these errors should they appear again. Whether Comer and Walsh can find form on Sunday will have a big impact on where Sam spends winter in 2024. Galway: Connor Gleeson; Johnny McGrath, Sean Fitzgerald, Jack Glynn; Dylan McHugh, Liam Silke, Seán Mulkerrin; Paul Conroy, Sean Kelly (c); Matthew Tierney, John Maher, Cillian McDaid; Rob Finnerty, Damien Comer, Shane Walsh. Subs: Conor Flaherty, John Daly, Eoghan Kelly, Daniel O'Flaherty, Kieran Molloy, Cathal Sweeney, Céin Darcy, Johnny Heaney, Liam Ó Conghaile, Tomo Culhane, Niall Daly. How wrong i was about John Maher. What a final. Absolute warrior. |
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Post by Hicser on Jul 31, 2024 6:09:52 GMT
Well done to Armagh & Galway. Hopefully Galway go and win it playing an open game. Thank God Donegal didn’t make it. Hopefully we will have new rules to reinvent the game before Jim strangles it again. Galway didn’t play open game thankfully Armagh did and reaped the rewards. Well done 👍 Indeed, congrats to Armagh. Thank god the championship is over, it’s all about 2025 now, |
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Post by tralee58 on Aug 2, 2024 9:37:45 GMT
eh? is it jacks fault that we missed 19 scoring chances, a sitter of a goal and gifted them a goal? player error on the pitch is why we lost to Armagh, its nothing to do with Jack. same yesterday. cant keep blaming managers when a player kicks a bad wide or makes a mistake. If everything is down to the players who cross the white line to play then there are an awful lot of misguided sports people around the world spending trillions trying to get the best managers and coaches for their teams. I always, rightly or wrongly, give all Kerry players, playing under Jack a complete amnesty. The first thing Kerry opponents must do is stifle the flair that Kerry tends to play with. When that flair is being stifled for weeks in training leading up to the game it is not fair to blame the players for looking like fish out of water. Saying that "X" came out too far or "Y" didn't kick enough is very unfair when they are following strict instructions. Instinct is completely forbidden. Hope springs eternal. The tantalising possibility that Kieran could be manager next season will help shorten the winter. It is the first year in the rest of our lives, why not get started on our future. My thoughts exactly 👍 |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 4, 2024 15:57:03 GMT
If everything is down to the players who cross the white line to play then there are an awful lot of misguided sports people around the world spending trillions trying to get the best managers and coaches for their teams. I always, rightly or wrongly, give all Kerry players, playing under Jack a complete amnesty. The first thing Kerry opponents must do is stifle the flair that Kerry tends to play with. When that flair is being stifled for weeks in training leading up to the game it is not fair to blame the players for looking like fish out of water. Saying that "X" came out too far or "Y" didn't kick enough is very unfair when they are following strict instructions. Instinct is completely forbidden. Hope springs eternal. The tantalising possibility that Kieran could be manager next season will help shorten the winter. It is the first year in the rest of our lives, why not get started on our future. My thoughts exactly 👍 Maybe it’s not jacks fault we missed 19 Scoring chances but it certainly bring into focus our kicking / coaching work When these poor percentages appear one has to question the work put in behind the scenes in this dept Ideally Jack would invite KD on board But no guarantee that KD would go for it I could see KD staying where he is for another year Only because he’s in right now with the Armagh family Seems like a great set up they have going there But long term not sustainable for KD to be doing all the mileage so far away from “the top of the Rock “ |
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 5, 2024 21:58:29 GMT
Well, that was an unbelievable week. I still haven’t come back down to earth. It still feels like a dream.
We didn’t manage to get tickets this time, so it was the TV for us. I can’t really comment too much on the match, as it’s all still a bit of a blur. Although, some of the last 10 or 15 minutes were watched through the crack of the door, or missed entirely as I honestly couldn’t bear to watch.
Needless to say, the result was all that mattered. I honestly don’t care what it looked like, although I’ll sit down some of these days to watch it again. We rode our luck again at times (what All Ireland winner doesn’t?). But we seemed to get some big scores at the right time, and thankfully it was enough.
I didn’t think 2002 could be surpassed. I can still recall the exact moment when the whistle went and the realisation that we had finally won Sam for the first time. But I think this topped it. Aidan Forker lives near me, and I tried not to dwell too much beforehand, on the added significance of him lifting Sam if we won. But to be honest, as the match was so tight, I didn’t have time to think about it, until a few seconds after the final whistle, when I realised that he would indeed be lifting Sam.
As I watched Aidan up beside Jarlath Burns, ready to pick up Sam, I couldn’t hold back the tears. I thought of the people who didn’t live to see this moment, particularly my own father. It was also the realisation that this little pocket of Armagh would see someone achieve the ultimate honour in Irish sport - an All Ireland winning captain, lifting Sam Maguire in Croke Park. The absolute pinnacle of Gaelic football. I was also so pleased for Aidan too, who has battled for years with not much to show for his efforts. It was a special moment. It’s still emotional now thinking about it.
Sam is back. We are All-Ireland champions. I still can’t quite believe it.
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Post by ciarraimick on Aug 5, 2024 22:31:13 GMT
Ah thats fab.Im delighted for you Ard Mhaca.Every win is special and eventhough you thought 2002 could nt be surpassed there you go.Believe it or not even we in Kerry find every All Ireland win extra special.I often try explain to people "its like giving a child a lick of ice cream".Once they get the taste they want more and more.
Im delighted for McGeeney and especially players like Stefan Campbell who has been such a warrior for Armagh.Also delighted for the supporters who were class.Enjoy but dont get too comfortable as we want to bring Sam back to the Kingdom agaim very soon.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Aug 5, 2024 23:18:06 GMT
Ard Mhacha
So good to get the inside scoop on how it is on the Lough Shore
In the aftermath of a historic victory
We hear plenty about the Tyrone side of the Lough Shore
But Sam is in Mahery for the winter and well earned .
The win by Armagh has captured the interest of the whole Island
Such a great story of sporting achievement
I’ve always been a fan of Armagh football who still play with a bit of flair and are given license to do the outrageous kicking and scoring once in a while
Unfortunately I think in Kerry we stifled the flair and creativity this year as did Galway to an extent
Fortune favors the brave
We’ll done again
Let’s hope other counties take note and play a little more front foot ball going forward
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Post by dano on Aug 6, 2024 17:29:28 GMT
Congratulations Ard Mhaca, Great win for the team and brilliant supporters. I was sat among them at the semi and again, watching the Final in a pub up in Donegal. Every football person in the country should get to have that experience. Enjoy the Winter, kerry will be back next year as hungry as ever.
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Post by mainevalley on Aug 6, 2024 20:26:42 GMT
It will be interesting to see what happens next year, will another surprise package come through. If you were to tell me armagh would win at start of year I would have said you were mad. I wonder will a rejuvenated Derry produce something. There is massive belief and hunger in that Derry group. They really want a proper management setup. I think Dublin will have a few retirements but will be there or there about. Probably will have new fresh management team. I'm inclined to think mayo or galway won't feature.
I'd like to think Kerry will be back but if only if fresh ideas and our main players given time away from pitch. Even if they are doing S and C and running I wouldn't mind but need time away from the pitch environment is needed. We should start looking at explosive athletes too and pace to bring into our setup.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Aug 7, 2024 5:19:05 GMT
Congratulations Ard Mhaca, Great win for the team and brilliant supporters. I was sat among them at the semi and again, watching the Final in a pub up in Donegal. Every football person in the country should get to have that experience. Enjoy the Winter, kerry will be back next year as hungry as ever. Yeah they are always great supporters and amazing cracksters, they love Kerry and they tell us they love us even more now - handy with the low ball for sure. Big Qs now - will KD stay or will he go down south? Will Burke and a few others by all accounts, stay or will they go down under? Looks like the auld GAA is becoming a feeder school for vulture capitalist professional codes? Our own Tadhgeen must be busy behind the scenes and while like everyone else I'd wish luck to anyone broadening their horizons, it haunts me to think of what might have been if St Mark O'Connor didn't leave our shores. Talk of a new wave of departees takes the good out of things and it must be hard on those who nurture the pipeline, dreading that the better the result the worse the outcome. Solutions on a postcard to TCBs. |
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Sept 10, 2024 14:43:08 GMT
Big Qs now - will KD stay or will he go down south? I see Kieran Donaghy has committed to Armagh for next year. Given the time and mileage involved, it would have been understandable had he bowed out with Sam secured. But maybe he feels there’s more in this team? As of yet, no Armagh players have stepped away, so we’re ready to go again with the same group of players. |
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