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Post by thehermit on Jun 30, 2024 1:48:29 GMT
Contrast the Mick Fitzsimons incident with the Fitzsimons/Clifford incident last year when Fitzsimons rushed in to influence the umpire to overturn a decision favourable to Kerry which , needless to say, Mr. Gough agreed with . Ah well, you can’t always have your favourite referee and his family of umpires. That old wheel is constantly rotating. All Dublin championship losses in the past decade were refs outside Leinster. No local Meath lads living within the border to protect them tonight. Woke up to this news, wow? Relatively low scoring too, were Dublin just a little toothless? Reading comments on the officials it makes you wonder alright how many of their 9 AI's they'd have won if they were being refed like every other county over the last decade!!! Just goes to illustrate again the farce of constant home advantage and pressure it puts on weak officials. All this glee will be for naught if we don't do our business today and weeks to come. So I'll save my proper gloating until (hopefully) Derry are out to the sword. |
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Post by thehermit on Jun 30, 2024 1:49:04 GMT
So, soft All Ireland for Kerry? 🤣 Nothing better than a soft AI, no need of the stress all the time 😂 |
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 30, 2024 9:40:25 GMT
A strange GAA Summer when the Dublin hurlers knock the Galway hulers out, and the Galway footballers knock the Dublin footballers out.
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jun 30, 2024 10:09:10 GMT
All Dublin championship losses in the past decade were refs outside Leinster. No local Meath lads living within the border to protect them tonight. Woke up to this news, wow? Relatively low scoring too, were Dublin just a little toothless? Reading comments on the officials it makes you wonder alright how many of their 9 AI's they'd have won if they were being refed like every other county over the last decade!!! Just goes to illustrate again the farce of constant home advantage and pressure it puts on weak officials. All this glee will be for naught if we don't do our business today and weeks to come. So I'll save my proper gloating until (hopefully) Derry are out to the sword. I had seen 1st game and was on way to another gaff to see this one when Radio commentary started was telling me Galway were in trouble - I went home, lay down, fell asleep - then woke up to .. Uimhir ? |
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Post by maryo on Jun 30, 2024 10:16:28 GMT
As Eoin Bomber said in 1987 "The circus is over the time for new act"
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 30, 2024 10:28:34 GMT
Dublin started 9 players over 30. A lot of mileage in those legs.
Also their subs aren't so great anymore.
They probably need a rebuild.
They'll be there or thereabouts every year now anyway so no need to panic.
I think every team bar Louth could win it this year now which is good for the game.
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jun 30, 2024 15:52:57 GMT
Dublin by 4 (I'd be tempted to back Galway if they have everyone in reasonable condition) Armagh by 6 Donegal by double digits Kerry by 5 👀 |
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Post by homerj on Jun 30, 2024 21:01:37 GMT
Wind the clock back to 1st week of championships.
Alot of people said we were 3rd or 4th favs. Imagine saying we'd be in semi final, with Dublin, Mayo and Derry gone.
We'd have been fu*king delighted to be in that position, as will Galway, Armagh and Donegal of course.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 1, 2024 7:38:50 GMT
Wind the clock back to 1st week of championships. Alot of people said we were 3rd or 4th favs. Imagine saying we'd be in semi final, with Dublin, Mayo and Derry gone. We'd have been fu*king delighted to be in that position, as will Galway, Armagh and Donegal of course. So true but can you imagine had we lost playing like that!!! I understand the reasons for the tactics and they are down to how Derry play the game. However if we had played as well in first half as 2nd half we’d feel better about ourselves. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 1, 2024 8:31:13 GMT
Wind the clock back to 1st week of championships. Alot of people said we were 3rd or 4th favs. Imagine saying we'd be in semi final, with Dublin, Mayo and Derry gone. We'd have been fu*king delighted to be in that position, as will Galway, Armagh and Donegal of course. So true but can you imagine had we lost playing like that!!! I understand the reasons for the tactics and they are down to how Derry play the game. However if we had played as well in first half as 2nd half we’d feel better about ourselves. dont think we were even in danger of losing that - we respected the opposition and absolutely battered them last 15 minutes, when it mattered. Dublin were all ireland favourites up to saturday evening, around 7.30 pm. Mayo drew with them 2 weeks ago, Derry went to mayo and won last weekend. the same Derry team that were many peoples favourites to win the all ireland a few weeks back. we need a bit of perspective, and a bit of calm and trust in our management and players. theyve gotten everything spot on so far. Armagh will pose a different threat but lets take this one game at a time |
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 1, 2024 11:40:37 GMT
So Kerry join Armagh, Donegal, and Galway as equals not only as semi-finalists in 2024 but as teams that have beaten Derry in championship football this season. We saw all four teams in action over the weekend, and on the evidence so far Galway looked the best of the bunch when one considers the opposition they took down – playing on their home turf and carrying players impacted by injury.
If Kerry aren’t good enough to seal the deal, then I really hope this Galway team do it. The game plan went out the window in the second half against Dublin, as Galway literally manned up on Dublin and showed incredible levels of resilience. This was Galway players showing on game intelligence and players working it out for themselves, taking responsibility, and showing tremendous courage and heart. This was not a robotic team repeating 'we stuck to a game plan' like a mantra, this was raw courage with heart and soul and football, and I hope the team that shows these traits the most wins the All Ireland for all our sakes.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 1, 2024 14:30:39 GMT
Of the four teams left in the Championship, Kerry are the only team with a 100% win record.
Armagh have drawn with Galway and Donegal (losing eventually on penalties) as well as a 1 point victory over Down.
Galway have drawn with Armagh and had two hard fought 1 point wins overs Mayo and Dublin.
Donegal lost to Cork, drew with Armagh (winning on penalties) and beat Tyrone by 2.
Kerry's closest game was the 3 point victory over Cork followed by the 5 point win over Derry.
Any of the four remaining sides could lift the ultimate prize but three of the four have stumbled and scrapped their way to the semi finals - hopefully we don't have our own stumble in July.
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Post by glengael on Jul 1, 2024 15:15:20 GMT
The semi-finals will be contested by the counties who won All Irelands in 1992, 2002, 2012, 2022 (and 2001 just to break the sequence).
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 1, 2024 20:01:40 GMT
Who would have thought after that brilliant league final that both Dublin and Derry would be gone at the QF stage.
Added to Mayo / Tyrone
As a Kerry supporter we have a great opportunity infront of us now.
I was very pessimistic during the season but it shows I put too much stock in league games and I should have known better.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 1, 2024 20:14:24 GMT
Who would have thought after that brilliant league final that both Dublin and Derry would be gone at the QF stage. Added to Mayo / Tyrone As a Kerry supporter we have a great opportunity infront of us now. I was very pessimistic during the season but it shows I put too much stock in league games and I should have known better. All the players and management must know there's a very winnable AI right in front of them but also that complacency is a very dangerous thing. We said the same in '21. Be confident but humble is the key. |
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Post by Hicser on Jul 3, 2024 4:20:16 GMT
Dublins demise still the main headlines in newspapers, even ahead of Hurling semi finals!
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2024 8:28:14 GMT
are we agreed now, once and for all, that league form in March and April has absolutely 0 bearing on the all ireland?
Derry - league winners, AI Favs to many, 4 defeats out of 6 in championship
Mayo - won last years league, beaten the week after. decent league this year, knocked out failing to win 3 games out of 5.
Dublin - supposedly the greatest league performances of all time - struggle v louth and poor in other games, out.
meanwhile galway have a poor league and are now 1 game away from AI final.
Donegal/Armagh in Division 2, both semi finalists
Roscommon relegated, get to 1/4 final
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Post by pipsqueak01 on Jul 3, 2024 10:26:16 GMT
are we agreed now, once and for all, that league form in March and April has absolutely 0 bearing on the all ireland? Derry - league winners, AI Favs to many, 4 defeats out of 6 in championship Mayo - won last years league, beaten the week after. decent league this year, knocked out failing to win 3 games out of 5. Dublin - supposedly the greatest league performances of all time - struggle v louth and poor in other games, out. meanwhile galway have a poor league and are now 1 game away from AI final. Donegal/Armagh in Division 2, both semi finalists Roscommon relegated, get to 1/4 final Agreed, and might I add an addendum. How much we beat Clare by also doesn’t matter |
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2024 10:29:36 GMT
if we dont win an AI, its because on the day, Armagh and/or Donegal/Galway were better than us and/or we were tactically outsmarted during that particular game. the same applies to all 4 teams.
all 4 teams have a chance now at winning it. hopefully its us but luck, injuries, a close reffing decision. the weather. anything at all can swing the game for or against us.
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2024 11:27:45 GMT
how do you work out the new system involves more games?
there been years where a team losing 1st round of championship, needed 9 or 10 games to get to final (its happened on multiple occasions).
win 1st round, but then lose a 1/4 final of provenence, then through 4 rounds of qualifiers, super 8s, semi and final = 11 games.
for Kerry, that realistically equated to 9 games in total. under the new system, weve played 6 so far.
more games is a myth, its more games in shorter space of time, but still takes the same amount of games to win an AI
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 3, 2024 12:43:26 GMT
how do you work out the new system involves more games? there been years where a team losing 1st round of championship, needed 9 or 10 games to get to final (its happened on multiple occasions). win 1st round, but then lose a 1/4 final of provenence, then through 4 rounds of qualifiers, super 8s, semi and final = 11 games. for Kerry, that realistically equated to 9 games in total. under the new system, weve played 6 so far. more games is a myth, its more games in shorter space of time, but still takes the same amount of games to win an AI It's more games for all. Division 3/4 teams now have a guarantee of 4 games a year compared to 2. As a side note, it is funny that some counties had as many championship games as Derry/Roscommon lost in the same championship. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2024 13:03:33 GMT
how do you work out the new system involves more games? there been years where a team losing 1st round of championship, needed 9 or 10 games to get to final (its happened on multiple occasions). win 1st round, but then lose a 1/4 final of provenence, then through 4 rounds of qualifiers, super 8s, semi and final = 11 games. for Kerry, that realistically equated to 9 games in total. under the new system, weve played 6 so far. more games is a myth, its more games in shorter space of time, but still takes the same amount of games to win an AI Sorry I meant more games in a short period of time.That is why many think getting to a league final is detrimental.I personally dont as ive pointed out. But getting to a league final, IS bad news. It's another game, that's not needed. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 3, 2024 17:00:26 GMT
are we agreed now, once and for all, that league form in March and April has absolutely 0 bearing on the all ireland?Derry - league winners, AI Favs to many, 4 defeats out of 6 in championship Mayo - won last years league, beaten the week after. decent league this year, knocked out failing to win 3 games out of 5. Dublin - supposedly the greatest league performances of all time - struggle v louth and poor in other games, out. meanwhile galway have a poor league and are now 1 game away from AI final. Donegal/Armagh in Division 2, both semi finalists Roscommon relegated, get to 1/4 final As recent as the last week or two people were still citing Dublin's win against Kerry in the League as an indication of Dublin's supreme brilliance. It would be a major breakthrough for human understanding of Gaelic Football if this could sink in. |
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 3, 2024 19:32:33 GMT
I understand. It's not the 10 points that Dublin won by, it's the 10 points that Kerry lost by.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 3, 2024 20:06:54 GMT
are we agreed now, once and for all, that league form in March and April has absolutely 0 bearing on the all ireland? Derry - league winners, AI Favs to many, 4 defeats out of 6 in championship Mayo - won last years league, beaten the week after. decent league this year, knocked out failing to win 3 games out of 5. Dublin - supposedly the greatest league performances of all time - struggle v louth and poor in other games, out. meanwhile galway have a poor league and are now 1 game away from AI final. Donegal/Armagh in Division 2, both semi finalists Roscommon relegated, get to 1/4 final Yes I'm happy to admit I overstated the the league performances. Very happy to be wrong. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 3, 2024 20:11:30 GMT
I understand. It's not the 10 points that Dublin won by, it's the 10 points that Kerry lost by. To see Kerry beaten like that stung and some people were able to dismiss that result and that turned out to be correct. People however can only go on the evidence to hand. Thankfully Jack and the players don't give a *e what is written on our forum and see the bigger picture. |
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2024 21:01:52 GMT
Not about being right or wrong lads, weve not won anything!
That night, we missed 5 goal chances and could easily have been 8 or 9 points up before dublin knocked over 1-5 in last 10 mins when we gave up.
Sometimes a defeat is worth it.
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2024 21:04:17 GMT
I understand. It's not the 10 points that Dublin won by, it's the 10 points that Kerry lost by. Thankfully Jack and the players don't give a *e what is written on our forum and see the bigger picture. They may not read here but they were aware of heavy criticism and said as much live on TV the following Sunday. It definitely impacts them. As does small support, they deserve better |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 4, 2024 13:04:48 GMT
Not about being right or wrong lads, weve not won anything! That night, we missed 5 goal chances and could easily have been 8 or 9 points up before dublin knocked over 1-5 in last 10 mins when we gave up. Sometimes a defeat is worth it. In hindsight getting a whipping from Meath in 2001 has done Kerry wonders. Meath hasn't been a threat to Kerry since. |
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 13, 2024 12:47:24 GMT
Looking at the Donegal and Galway teams I reckon Galway are better in 11 or 12 of the match ups so it seems odd to me how it's considered a 50:50 contest.
Even with injury worries and the Jim McGuinness factor, Galway should win comfortably imo.
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