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Post by john4 on Jul 28, 2024 23:06:35 GMT
Look at his eyes while he fisted the ball, He had no clue there was anyone running in on goal. Galway were also guilty of ball-watching in this instance - assuming it was going dead You can call it an over simplification By Soupy Cambell caught Kerry Cold and was the reason Armagh beat us in other words he got no respect Same happened today V Galway His left handed squaring of the ball was top notch If you still believe he was trying to score that may be so but it’s irrelevant in the bigger picture Either way we contributed to the game winner score as he did against Kerry Galway will regret the missed chances In particular Liam Silks refusal to take the 14 yard tap over instead Passing backwards to Shane Walsh who kicked wide from close range. Small margins but fortune favors the brave Re Silke's refusal to shoot, it's so often overlooked how many IC footballers struggle off their non dominant side. It's a fixable issue but I wonder if it's worked on enough. Silke had a perfect opportunity to tap over off the left, and turned it down! 7 points out of 16 second half efforts won't do in the AI Final
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Jul 28, 2024 23:17:17 GMT
Firstly well done to Armagh and they built well on what was a team full of promise against us in ASP last year. Bar a bit of 'all behind the ball' they are decent footballers and there will be entertaining days ahead - it will be interesting to see if they have a pipeline in place to raise the bar and which will be necessary, what with other Ulster teams coming to the fore if nothing else.
Galway were hit with injuries and anyone who doubts Walsh and Comer needs to rethink - they just weren't ready and I trust they also have many great days before them. Maybe Comer is ageing and while he looked almost delicate vs Donegal, I recall an absolute Lordy display by him against the same boyos of a day in Letterkenny's O'Donnell Park.
The final had it's moments but apart from the surprise if worthy contenders and an Armagh GAA President, I don't think it will stand out in the history books.
We are only guessing re KD and on that basis my gut feel, maybe a guess feel, is that getting teams over the line isn't a hallmark of Geesers, so our Rockie buck might have been the difference?
What we are not guessing on though is that whoever thinks Kerry intercounty teams must play with fear needs to be sent packing. This isn't just a policy - this is what those involved are about and it sucks.
So we need a new management team and while it isn't always advisable, I have great faith in a few out there who might make a joint effort the best option, moreover as we have no obvious successor.
If we played creatively and aggressively, and as we re well capable of, Samuel would be travelling south tomorrow after lunch.
We don't know what arrangement KD has with the Orchards but I don't think we should hang around.
BTW what did people think of 'Up For The Match' - is it me of was it that neither show fleshed out the DNA of the spirit of the occasions? Ah I'm as down in the dumps as the next man with the shortened season so maybe that's part of my misery and as I have been moving about I am not so close to the club scene a I'd like to be. BTW what did others think of the year overall - if there was a consensus here it might help our leaders make the right decisions.
I always rated our current panel and Vet has me on record here having put me to the sword - there were times this past while that I thought I got it wrong and I may even have said as much. After what I saw all year, I'd be hopeful that if we had a right management in place our boys could get that counter to 40 fairly soon.
Great commentary on here, probably the best ever in the run up to the semis, so thanks to all for sharing your thoughts and it does make for a more interesting pursuit.
And well done to all our panel and the support group for what they never fail to give us - they make great sacrifices and then latchicos like call for their heads on a plate. Yerra yerra sure nobody takes a blind bit of notice of me anyway so all is fair in love and war.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 28, 2024 23:35:04 GMT
Lots of posters here kicking people when they are down. Simple truth about Walsh Comer today is they should not have started as they were not fit enough. PJ has to take responsibility for this. Imagine them coming on 15 minutes to go. Also Finerty going off upset their game plan. Galways injuries came home to roost eventually. I just hate people being wise after the event. I'm here in my local collecting bets because of my above points. If they were not fit enough they wouldnt have started. Look at example of Sean Kelly. He didn't start. Comer and Walsh were not up to the pitch of the game. Could be because of time lost all summer, but they were definitely out of sorts. Finnerty going off was a huge loss
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 28, 2024 23:40:28 GMT
Look at his eyes while he fisted the ball, He had no clue there was anyone running in on goal. Galway were also guilty of ball-watching in this instance - assuming it was going dead You can call it an over simplification By Soupy Cambell caught Kerry Cold and was the reason Armagh beat us in other words he got no respect Same happened today V Galway His left handed squaring of the ball was top notch If you still believe he was trying to score that may be so but it’s irrelevant in the bigger picture Either way we contributed to the game winner score as he did against Kerry Galway will regret the missed chances In particular Liam Silks refusal to take the 14 yard tap over instead Passing backwards to Shane Walsh who kicked wide from close range. Small margins but fortune favors the brave It wasnt a squaring of the ball. He was blessed. Left handed attempt at a point that, luckily for him was completely miscued and finished to the net. Campbell is a huge addition off the bench but he got lucky today
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 29, 2024 0:13:06 GMT
Look at his eyes while he fisted the ball, He had no clue there was anyone running in on goal. Galway were also guilty of ball-watching in this instance - assuming it was going dead You can call it an over simplification By Soupy Cambell caught Kerry Cold and was the reason Armagh beat us in other words he got no respect Same happened today V Galway His left handed squaring of the ball was top notch If you still believe he was trying to score that may be so but it’s irrelevant in the bigger picture Either way we contributed to the game winner score as he did against Kerry Galway will regret the missed chances In particular Liam Silks refusal to take the 14 yard tap over instead Passing backwards to Shane Walsh who kicked wide from close range. Small margins but fortune favors the brave I have spoke highly of Soupy Campbell on previous posts.In fact during the league I stated he was one of my favourite footballers.He is an all action guy that can play anywhere.I have been a fan of Armagh and reckoned they had the talent to do great things. Funny enough I reckoned McGeeney was holding them back as he only let them off the loose when they are losing.Anyway he proved me wrong today and fair play to him and his team of champions.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 29, 2024 0:50:48 GMT
Armagh defence not condusive to opposing forwards doing well But Coner and Clifford got little or no supply Teams coached not to kick the ball in at all crazy stuff
The technical aspects of kicking let Galway down 3 examples
1 liam Silk s refusal to kick with his left from 14 yards 2 Shane Walsh kicking a free of the ground with his left when the right leg kick was doable 3 Mc Hugh kicking the potential equalizer off the outside of the right boot when instep or front of laces would have been a more basic shot with less risk
Three missed points due to technical side of kicking the ball There may have been more this is all on top of the correct technique kicks but lack of distance on several more
Then again Galway had nearly twice as many shots as Armagh in second half enough said game was there for them just not Clinical enough
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 29, 2024 7:39:45 GMT
I must be the only person in the country who thought Campbell was passing it. Well done Armagh. I would say you are The horse himself said: A) When he was coming towards the goal the intention in his head was to fist a point; B) He thought he saw from the corner of his eye Rian O'Neill coming in on goal, so he changed his mind late and passed it across; C) He said he handpassed it from his stronger side. That is what he said anyway. C) is compelling... because don't most players use whatever side is strongest to fist points. I have definitely seen players handpass for a point from their right in his position... and if the left side is his strong side it was a very inaccurate fist for a point altogether. I think he meant it alright. Maybe he was actually in two minds and it kind of popped out perfect. Doesn't really matter they got the green flag and then the cup.
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Post by homerj on Jul 29, 2024 7:47:11 GMT
Think it's 19 of the last 23 AI winners now have been Kerry or the team that's beaten us.
We have thrown away 4 or 5, this year being one of them, when you miss 19 chances in a game that one kick of a ball separates the sides, then you'll have massive regrets.
We are never far off and this year was an all ireland we kicked away.
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Post by homerj on Jul 29, 2024 7:49:26 GMT
Armagh defence not condusive to opposing forwards doing well But Coner and Clifford got little or no supply Teams coached not to kick the ball in at all crazy stuff The technical aspects of kicking let Galway down 3 examples 1 liam Silk s refusal to kick with his left from 14 yards 2 Shane Walsh kicking a free of the ground with his left when the right leg kick was doable 3 Mc Hugh kicking the potential equalizer off the outside of the right boot when instep or front of laces would have been a more basic shot with less risk Three missed points due to technical side of kicking the ball There may have been more this is all on top of the correct technique kicks but lack of distance on several more Then again Galway had nearly twice as many shots as Armagh in second half enough said game was there for them just not Clinical enough You can pretty much replace Kerry with Galway here and the analysis is the same for the semi.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 7:59:21 GMT
Considering our attack misfired, bringing Kieran home as a forwards coach wouldn't be the worst idea. Manager not yet. Why not as bainisteoir? Jack would rule the roost if he stays in charge, nobody in their right mind would join in his set up - a new broom, young blood, fresh ideas! Is it fair to say Jack has been relatively successful, I think the problem seems to be a specific tactical strategic approach he was determined to implement fully. Criticised by paying spectators as dull, stifling creativity and inhibiting the natural talents of certainly a few players. Yesterday Armagh winning in my opinion anyway was good for Gaelic football.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 8:07:20 GMT
Congratulations to Armagh – the Spartans won! This was a well-deserved team victory, it wasn't about having a messiah player or depending on a few individuals, it truly was about the collective all pulling their weight and contributing, and Kiernan McGeeney deserves huge credit for his orchestration of this effort. For the record, I’d love to see a day that Kieran Donaghy gets an opportunity to be the Kerry Bainisteoir when this position becomes available. This inspirational man is clearly destined to be a team leader. If anyone can create a truly collective spirit and re-connection with the Kerry football public, it’s STAR! Be interesting who KD would bring in to assist. Might be a good thing for him to assist for a while under who don’t know.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 8:09:17 GMT
Armagh defence not condusive to opposing forwards doing well But Coner and Clifford got little or no supply Teams coached not to kick the ball in at all crazy stuff The technical aspects of kicking let Galway down 3 examples 1 liam Silk s refusal to kick with his left from 14 yards 2 Shane Walsh kicking a free of the ground with his left when the right leg kick was doable 3 Mc Hugh kicking the potential equalizer off the outside of the right boot when instep or front of laces would have been a more basic shot with less risk Three missed points due to technical side of kicking the ball There may have been more this is all on top of the correct technique kicks but lack of distance on several more Then again Galway had nearly twice as many shots as Armagh in second half enough said game was there for them just not Clinical enough You can pretty much replace Kerry with Galway here and the analysis is the same for the semi. Agree with that. Has Padraigh Joyce adopted same approach as Jack and paid the price.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 8:11:09 GMT
Is it time to bring Donaghy back to his native county? A proven winner, fantastic motivator- time to say goodbye to Jack? It would be the best thing to happen to Kerry football in decades. There would be no retirements and some players would feel so relieved going into next season. Some big decisions to be made by Kerry executive
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Post by dc84 on Jul 29, 2024 8:12:27 GMT
I think comer is over rated a bull of a man and can cause headaches for teams on occasion but most of his best performances come on heavy pitches in the league Finnerty was the big loss he would've made the difference. Shane walsh didn't look right and persisting with his left for the frees was abit mad. Neither of those teams are the youngest either a lot of their best players are around the 30 mark hard to see them dominating. Next year is a blank canvass with a fair few contenders up north armagh, donegal derry and maybe tyrone if they can blood some of those younger lads dublin galway and ourselves will all fancy it. The new rules will probably come into force o don't think croke park can ignore how poor the fare and structure was this year. I don't think any of the games will live in the memory long outside of armagh and galway beating dublin
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 8:14:18 GMT
Well done to Armagh & Galway. Hopefully Galway go and win it playing an open game. Thank God Donegal didn’t make it. Hopefully we will have new rules to reinvent the game before Jim strangles it again. Galway didn’t play open game thankfully Armagh did and reaped the rewards. Well done 👍
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 8:17:56 GMT
Congratulations to Armagh – the Spartans won! This was a well-deserved team victory, it wasn't about having a messiah player or depending on a few individuals, it truly was about the collective all pulling their weight and contributing, and Kiernan McGeeney deserves huge credit for his orchestration of this effort. For the record, I’d love to see a day that Kieran Donaghy gets an opportunity to be the Kerry Bainisteoir when this position becomes available. This inspirational man is clearly destined to be a team leader. If anyone can create a truly collective spirit and re-connection with the Kerry football public, it’s STAR! Agree Gaelic football won yesterday. Great to see the team who is brave scores a goal win.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 29, 2024 8:18:55 GMT
Definitely, would be crazy not to invite him into the setup. Not sure if he'd be the Bainisteoir, I'd have Donaghy as a sector/coach. Whether thats under Jack or a different management team, only time can tell. We have to move on from the way we played this year - we have regressed since ‘22 - literally going backwards in the past two years. Players don’t seem to be enjoying themselves - it’s time for new blood on both sides of the line. Agree 👍
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Post by pillar on Jul 29, 2024 9:07:39 GMT
Must have been one of the worst All Ireland finals in living memory. Armagh are a very committed outfit but their style of play is brutal to watch. Now they have footballers but this 15 men behind the ball has made the game a style of rugby league. If that what makes them winners good luck to them but it made the game a terrible watch.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 29, 2024 9:15:41 GMT
Must have been one of the worst All Ireland finals in living memory. Armagh are a very committed outfit but their style of play is brutal to watch. Now they have footballers but this 15 men behind the ball has made the game a style of rugby league. If that what makes them winners good luck to them but it made the game a terrible watch. 2015 was worse surely although that was due to conditions. The second half was good this year at least. I felt Galway left the game behind them. Shane Walsh should've given kicking duties to someone else. I'm guessing he has a hamstring injury. He missed at least 6 or 7 kickable points. Kerry should be very disappointed. Armagh aren't a great team but congrats to them for winning it. Galway were a bit panicky in last 10 minutes when they had plenty of opportunities to put scores on the board. At least next year the championship is wide open with maybe 8 contenders. I'm not sure what rules are coming in but I'd definitely ban passing back to the keeper as it's easy to enforce and it would encourage teams to press from the front.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 29, 2024 9:58:49 GMT
I am a little baffled and bemused at all the calls for Donaghy to be parachuted into a role (ranging from coach to manager) with Kerry. Yes he is a passionate guy on the sideline (with a bit of devilment thrown in) just as he was passionate as a player but other than the victory which Armagh scrambled to this year what would be bring - there was no sign of the silky football we crave - Armagh were a 15 behind the ball and break fast side that scrapped with the hunger of the underdog in pursuit of the holy grail. Is victory at any cost acceptable to Kerry?
What exactly was his role in Armagh (under Manager Mc Geeney) - other than being visible and heard what was his actual role and contribution?
I don't rule out a role (under a manager who will listen) but am not jumping on his bandwagon just yet.
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Post by glengael on Jul 29, 2024 10:56:12 GMT
I am a little baffled and bemused at all the calls for Donaghy to be parachuted into a role (ranging from coach to manager) with Kerry. Yes he is a passionate guy on the sideline (with a bit of devilment thrown in) just as he was passionate as a player but other than the victory which Armagh scrambled to this year what would be bring - there was no sign of the silky football we crave - Armagh were a 15 behind the ball and break fast side that scrapped with the hunger of the underdog in pursuit of the holy grail. Is victory at any cost acceptable to Kerry? What exactly was his role in Armagh (under Manager Mc Geeney) - other than being visible and heard what was his actual role and contribution? I don't rule out a role (under a manager who will listen) but am not jumping on his bandwagon just yet. In the semi-final programme, both sideline teams are just listed under the heading Bainistíocht, with no distinguishing of roles. Someone earlier in the thread said that Donaghy is a selector. Congratulations to Armagh, a long wait since 2002. Leaving Croke Park on 13th July I had a feeling they wouldn't be denied. A question for Terrace Talk or anyone else on here, - Is Kieran McGeeney the manager who has had the longest continuous tenure prior to securing a first All Ireland senior title, given that he's in the Armagh job since 2015?
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 29, 2024 11:21:40 GMT
Must have been one of the worst All Ireland finals in living memory. Armagh are a very committed outfit but their style of play is brutal to watch. Now they have footballers but this 15 men behind the ball has made the game a style of rugby league. If that what makes them winners good luck to them but it made the game a terrible watch. 2015 was worse surely although that was due to conditions. The second half was good this year at least. I felt Galway left the game behind them. Shane Walsh should've given kicking duties to someone else. I'm guessing he has a hamstring injury. He missed at least 6 or 7 kickable points. Kerry should be very disappointed. Armagh aren't a great team but congrats to them for winning it.Galway were a bit panicky in last 10 minutes when they had plenty of opportunities to put scores on the board. At least next year the championship is wide open with maybe 8 contenders. I'm not sure what rules are coming in but I'd definitely ban passing back to the keeper as it's easy to enforce and it would encourage teams to press from the front. I think we have to ask that about ourselves? Armagh are the definition of a team.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 29, 2024 12:18:23 GMT
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Éamonn Fitzmaurice: Hats off to the poster boys of persistence
AS expected this year’s All-Ireland final proved a tense arm wrestle. Once more the bare minimum separated these modern rivals. Earlier in the week, Pádraic Joyce outlined he expected it to be so. He felt that if either team won by five or six points it would be down to a complete malfunction from the losers.
Neither side malfunctioned but neither cut loose either, hence the closeness of the encounter. In that beautiful tribute to John O’Mahony aired on the big screens in Croke Park before the semi-final when talking about winning or losing an All-Ireland he described it perfectly: “There is a very thin line between winning and losing. But the different experience on either side of that line is oceans and oceans apart. It is heavenly or devastating.”
Essentially, a wedding or a funeral. The wedding is in Armagh this week. If it was bananas in the Orchard County prior to the final there will be an orange-themed Mardi Gras there for the foreseeable.
It’s hard to beat momentum in sport, or The Big Mo as the Yanks like to call it.
From the minute Armagh beat Kerry in the semi-final, interally they must have felt like an unstoppable juggernaut. For a team that was on the floor after a fourth (!) loss on penalties last May, it is a remarkable turn-around. Yes they didn’t lose those games but they didn’t progress either.
They are a resilient and determined bunch but there must have been scar tissue from those defeats. They deserve all the accolades that will come their way as All-Ireland champions because of the road travelled.
Of course central to all of that is Kieran McGeeney. Immediately after that defeat to Donegal, he told his players to go away socialising for a couple of days together and to blow off a bit of steam. On their return, he told them that there was a new competition starting and that they were at the exact same starting point as the other 15 teams in the All-Ireland series.
Whether they had won Ulster or not, that was the case. There were no extra points given out to the provincial champions. They would have had to park a victory in a similar manner. Once they negotiated Westmeath, that defeat was purged from their systems.
In many ways, perhaps we should have seen all of this coming. We should have known that with McGeeney in charge, they weren’t going to go away until they achieved the ultimate.
They have been so consistent over the last couple of seasons, but without getting it over the line. In the 19 championship games they have played since losing to Donegal in the quarter-final in Ulster in 2022, they have lost just once in regulation time, to Tyrone in an All-Ireland group game last year.
The penalty shootouts had proved their undoing. They won’t care about that now as it all fed into the ultimate ambition.
McGeeney wasn’t handed a ready-made group of underage protégés with a winning pedigree. He carved this group out of rock with his bare hands, with persistence and a unique stubbornness.
There were hundreds of little decisions along the way that culminated in Aidan Forker lifting Sam Maguire. Sending Ciarán McKeever to manage the minor team and develop a specific profile of player for his senior team was one. From that decision came Oisín Conaty.
The Tír na nÓg man was man of the match, scoring three points from play in a low-scoring game. Galway like to use their two wing backs to sit in and mind the ‘D’ when they are defending. Armagh targeted this and exploited it by actively looking to get Conaty on the ball.
In the semi-final he had an off day but he operated in a similar fashion in the quarter-final against Roscommon scoring four from play that day.
Another decision that McGeeney made was bringing in Kieran Donaghy and Conleith Gilligan to buttress their coaching ticket. Donaghy has had a massive influence on the group. Because of his charming and energetic personality, his coaching ability can be underestimated.
It as if he is there as a cheerleader to rally the troops. He is much more than that. He is a savage competitor and possesses an incredible football IQ. He has winning experience which is invaluable for a gang that hadn’t been there before.
He understands the game and how to communicate that to players on the training pitch, in conversation or on match day.
Obviously I recognise his voice so I can hear him on the boom mics at matches at times. His verbal cues for his players are always concise and clear. Exactly what is required in the heat of battle. He also has an unquantifiable X factor which has manifested itself throughout his career.
He may consider his missionary work complete now and come home to add his star factor to Kerry.
Similarly, Gilligan is a sharp individual. He focuses on transition coaching, in particular transitioning from defence to attack. Armagh are one of the best teams in the country at getting shots off their short kickouts.
They scored 1-6 from short restarts yesterday. That is down to his work. It was clear during the match that they tried to move the ball through the middle third much quicker than in previous games. They knew that Galway would be retreating into shape and they exploited that space left by the Connacht champions. I have mentioned it before that they are a seriously coached team.
Over the next few weeks, we may get to hear more of the back stories but the beauty of sport and a win like that is that it can provide an escape from the harsh reality of real life.
Considering what Niall Grimley has had to endure for the last few years on and off the field I hope this success gives him some bit of solace. Similarly, it must have been an incredibly tough week for Rian and Oisín O’Neill, having lost their uncle Pádraig suddenly recently.
Their togetherness and spirit is the hallmark of this team though.
It was typified by Joe McElroy’s great block down at the death. In 2003 they were on the wrong end of an All-Ireland-deciding block down with Conor Gormley memorably blocking Stevie McDonnell.
This time around they were determined to be on the right side of history. In a way it was fitting that it was a block down that decided the game and this team's destiny.
As I left Croke Park after the game, it was clear from the Galway crowd how much they were hurting. Aaron McCay’s goal was huge but they still fought back and gave themselves the opportunity to force extra time. They will rue their shooting accuracy. They were at 50% overall but only at 33% from frees, missing four of their six.
In such a tight game that was decisive. They are also on a journey. This is a setback but they will be back. It will harden their resolve. This will be a hard one to put done through them but they will.
For now, though it is all about Armagh, the poster boys of persistence paying off.
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Post by homerj on Jul 29, 2024 12:40:52 GMT
You can pretty much replace Kerry with Galway here and the analysis is the same for the semi. Agree with that. Has Padraigh Joyce adopted same approach as Jack and paid the price. eh? is it jacks fault that we missed 19 scoring chances, a sitter of a goal and gifted them a goal? player error on the pitch is why we lost to Armagh, its nothing to do with Jack. same yesterday. cant keep blaming managers when a player kicks a bad wide or makes a mistake.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 29, 2024 13:08:10 GMT
Agree with that. Has Padraigh Joyce adopted same approach as Jack and paid the price. eh? is it jacks fault that we missed 19 scoring chances, a sitter of a goal and gifted them a goal? player error on the pitch is why we lost to Armagh, its nothing to do with Jack. same yesterday. cant keep blaming managers when a player kicks a bad wide or makes a mistake. There is arguably something amiss with tactics (and this is not a blame game - cannot even recall is it true for Kerry-Armagh) if the people taking the shots are not the best shooters. I say arguably because 60% shooters getting 20 shots away is the same as an 80% getting 15 away, if you catch my drift.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 29, 2024 13:58:59 GMT
2015 was worse surely although that was due to conditions. The second half was good this year at least. I felt Galway left the game behind them. Shane Walsh should've given kicking duties to someone else. I'm guessing he has a hamstring injury. He missed at least 6 or 7 kickable points. Kerry should be very disappointed. Armagh aren't a great team but congrats to them for winning it.Galway were a bit panicky in last 10 minutes when they had plenty of opportunities to put scores on the board. At least next year the championship is wide open with maybe 8 contenders. I'm not sure what rules are coming in but I'd definitely ban passing back to the keeper as it's easy to enforce and it would encourage teams to press from the front. I think we have to ask that about ourselves? Armagh are the definition of a team. Yes they've a great team spirit but I don't think they'll win back to back or dominate football for a few years. They were very lucky against us and Galway. I know you make your own luck but also luck evens out. I think they'll be like Tyrone in '21.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 29, 2024 14:00:22 GMT
I am a little baffled and bemused at all the calls for Donaghy to be parachuted into a role (ranging from coach to manager) with Kerry. Yes he is a passionate guy on the sideline (with a bit of devilment thrown in) just as he was passionate as a player but other than the victory which Armagh scrambled to this year what would be bring - there was no sign of the silky football we crave - Armagh were a 15 behind the ball and break fast side that scrapped with the hunger of the underdog in pursuit of the holy grail. Is victory at any cost acceptable to Kerry? What exactly was his role in Armagh (under Manager Mc Geeney) - other than being visible and heard what was his actual role and contribution? I don't rule out a role (under a manager who will listen) but am not jumping on his bandwagon just yet. It's good for freshness to bring in a new voice and energy instead of the same voices for a 4th year.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 29, 2024 14:02:35 GMT
Agree with that. Has Padraigh Joyce adopted same approach as Jack and paid the price. eh? is it jacks fault that we missed 19 scoring chances, a sitter of a goal and gifted them a goal? player error on the pitch is why we lost to Armagh, its nothing to do with Jack. same yesterday. cant keep blaming managers when a player kicks a bad wide or makes a mistake. If everything is down to the players who cross the white line to play then there are an awful lot of misguided sports people around the world spending trillions trying to get the best managers and coaches for their teams. I always, rightly or wrongly, give all Kerry players, playing under Jack a complete amnesty. The first thing Kerry opponents must do is stifle the flair that Kerry tends to play with. When that flair is being stifled for weeks in training leading up to the game it is not fair to blame the players for looking like fish out of water. Saying that "X" came out too far or "Y" didn't kick enough is very unfair when they are following strict instructions. Instinct is completely forbidden. Hope springs eternal. The tantalising possibility that Kieran could be manager next season will help shorten the winter. It is the first year in the rest of our lives, why not get started on our future.
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Post by derryoak on Jul 29, 2024 17:32:33 GMT
I think we have to ask that about ourselves? Armagh are the definition of a team. Yes they've a great team spirit but I don't think they'll win back to back or dominate football for a few years. They were very lucky against us and Galway. I know you make your own luck but also luck evens out. I think they'll be like Tyrone in '21. Or Kerry in 2022? I'll be shocked if Armagh fall off a cliff like that Tyrone team tbh. They are a tight knit group that are extremely hard to beat and have been unlucky for a few years. Tyrone came from nowhere and shocked everyone hitting form at the right time in a pure knockout championship.
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Post by crokes86 on Jul 30, 2024 0:53:16 GMT
Poor championship this year standard was bad overall. An average Armagh team are all Ireland champions. Dublins drop off in standards made for an ordinary championship. They stopped producing the players they have produced over the last 10 years. They basically went back this year to the standard of other teams . Kerry went backwards. Players like David Clifford and Sean O’Shea living off past performances in years past . Kerry were poor this year and have not much coming up . Future looks bleak honestly.
With Dublin and Kerry gone backwards. Somebody had to step up and take the chance . And to give Armagh credit they did that . What they don’t have in talent they make up for in heart and commitment I’ll give them that a tremendous never say die attitude.
Mayo again failed to deliver . Derry peaked too early and were poor in the championship. They rely totally on Shane McGuigan for scores and when he’s not performing they don’t have enough talent upfront to succeed.
Tyrone were poor. Very average and Roscommon showed that. I had Armagh ranked 8 in my rankings for the All Ireland just ahead of Roscommon. So I was really surprised to see them do it.
It’s really open next year. Hopefully the standard can be better. Hopefully.
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