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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 1, 2022 21:50:53 GMT
Two players? So in future Crokes (and all clubs) should turn away lads when they request to transfer? They should move to a club who haven't won a championship in years. Makes perfect sense really... You’d have to spare a thought for the likes of Paudi Clifford in all this as he’s not allowed play for his divisional side anymore due to not being an up and coming player and he can’t join the nearest senior team as Crokes have won it relatively recently. He’ll have to join Spa and hope that they stay senior or else he’s back looking for a new senior club to join If Spa go down then his nearest senior club is probably a tralee one and he can’t join stacks as they’ve won it recently, so he’ll have to join strand road. I gotta tell ya, I’m all for this hair brained scheme.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 1, 2022 22:29:37 GMT
Hah...We should be spared so from any more of those hormotional outburts from KoR about the two lads from Valentia that joined up with Stacks.
Anyway lads shur tis good to shoot the breeze.
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 1, 2022 22:37:43 GMT
Hah...We should be spared so from any more of those hormotional outburts from KoR about the two lads from Valentia that joined up with Stacks. Anyway lads shur tis good to shoot the breeze. ah now the Narries cannot exactly throw stones in this discussion, when it comes to ‘convincing’ players to don the blue jersey.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 1, 2022 22:43:45 GMT
I see where Westport won their first even senior title in Mayo. Its only a few years ago since they were intermediate.
Can you imagine the craic in Matt Molloys pub on sunday night.
Nice for Lee Keegan...he says he hasnt decided if he will play for Mayo next year.
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Post by veteran on Nov 1, 2022 22:51:58 GMT
Southward, I agree that a match programmer just giving the team sheets suffices for the vast majority of matches. However, for a final I feel it is appropriate that there is a little splurge on something more elaborate . A lot of people like to keep final match programmes as a memento and record of the occasion. Those days have long passed me by but there are people I know who scrupulously collect them.
The programme the last day contained pen pictures of the two panels with particular reference to their ages which I feel is useful information. It also featured interesting articles on the Lynches from Beaufort , the Lynes from Killarney, a probing quiz with most of the questions stumping me , and more. All for four euro.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2022 2:06:40 GMT
Hah...We should be spared so from any more of those hormotional outburts from KoR about the two lads from Valentia that joined up with Stacks. Anyway lads shur tis good to shoot the breeze. That has nothin to do with your suggestions about banning clubs from taking in new players or stopping non up & coming players from playing for divisional sides. Like hurlingman was saying, you always try to change the question and deflect from what you’ve said
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2022 2:07:04 GMT
Hah...We should be spared so from any more of those hormotional outburts from KoR about the two lads from Valentia that joined up with Stacks. Anyway lads shur tis good to shoot the breeze. ah now the Narries cannot exactly throw stones in this discussion, when it comes to ‘convincing’ players to don the blue jersey. Irrelevant to what we are discussing
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Post by dano on Nov 2, 2022 2:50:41 GMT
I watched the county Final from afar Sunday as we do here most matches. What a display by David Clifford. Congrats to East Kerry but , whatever about that, what a display by David clifford. There is much debate about the divisional setup and I have my views on it which are irrelevant. The fact is that we were all privelaged to see the best footballer in Ireland perform his particular form of wizardry on an Autumn afternoon in Tralee. The rest of the World could have seen it too if they knew about it. their loss.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 2, 2022 7:48:41 GMT
Hah...We should be spared so from any more of those hormotional outburts from KoR about the two lads from Valentia that joined up with Stacks. Anyway lads shur tis good to shoot the breeze. That has nothin to do with your suggestions about banning clubs from taking in new players or stopping non up & coming players from playing for divisional sides. Like hurlingman was saying, you always try to change the question and deflect from what you’ve said No doubt you will go off on another rant about Shane Walsh joining Kilmacud Crokes if they end up beating KoR in the club chdmpionship. Well, i think the GAA should have a rule along the lines that i am suggesting. It would have meant that Kilmacud wouldnt have been able to get Shane Walsh as they had won the championship in recent years. Its a farcical situation in Dublin and Kilmacud will probably win the all ireland as a result. There are lots of weaker clubs in Dublin that would have benefitted from Shane Walsh....if he really wanted to play football in Dublin and not just medal hunt an all ireland. My other point..... about the divisional sides goes to the very core of why divisional sides are there...to give a shop window to players that need a shop window..... and i am not sure that such players in EK are getting that now....how can they with so many all winners on the team. The divisional sides are there to find up and coming intercounthy players. I would be interested in seeing the list of players that the EK manager rang in august to tell them they wont be involved this year. You made some reference to Paudie Clifford yesterday not getting a game or moving clubs or something...i dont know what that was about. Maybe you misread my posts. Anyway, i will say mo more on this. I have made my views known as clearly as i can.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 2, 2022 9:01:04 GMT
That has nothin to do with your suggestions about banning clubs from taking in new players or stopping non up & coming players from playing for divisional sides. Like hurlingman was saying, you always try to change the question and deflect from what you’ve said No doubt you will go off on another rant about Shane Walsh joining Kilmacud Crokes if they end up beating KoR in the club chdmpionship. Well, i think the GAA should have a rule along the lines that i am suggesting. It would have meant that Kilmacud wouldnt have been able to get Shane Walsh as they had won the championship in recent years. Its a farcical situation in Dublin and Kilmacud will probably win the all ireland as a result. There are lots of weaker clubs in Dublin that would have benefitted from Shane Walsh....if he really wanted to play football in Dublin and not just medal hunt an all ireland. My other point..... about the divisional sides goes to the very core of why divisional sides are there...to give a shop window to players that need a shop window..... and i am not sure that such players in EK are getting that now....how can they with so many all winners on the team. The divisional sides are there to find up and coming intercounthy players. I would be interested in seeing the list of players that the EK manager rang in august to tell them they wont be involved this year. You made some reference to Paudie Clifford yesterday not getting a game or moving clubs or something...i dont know what that was about. Maybe you misread my posts. Anyway, i will say mo more on this. I have made my views known as clearly as i can. First off if anyone will go on a rant re Shane Walsh it'll be you. Secondly why don't you contact the East Kerry management and ask them yourself? Seeing as you're so worried about it. Lastly re the post about Paudie Clifford maybe you didn't read the post yourself? Seeing as it's a comment you use anything you don't like what someone says. I await your next essay about nothing as a reply.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 2, 2022 9:13:53 GMT
That has nothin to do with your suggestions about banning clubs from taking in new players or stopping non up & coming players from playing for divisional sides. Like hurlingman was saying, you always try to change the question and deflect from what you’ve said No doubt you will go off on another rant about Shane Walsh joining Kilmacud Crokes if they end up beating KoR in the club chdmpionship. Well, i think the GAA should have a rule along the lines that i am suggesting. It would have meant that Kilmacud wouldnt have been able to get Shane Walsh as they had won the championship in recent years. Its a farcical situation in Dublin and Kilmacud will probably win the all ireland as a result. There are lots of weaker clubs in Dublin that would have benefitted from Shane Walsh....if he really wanted to play football in Dublin and not just medal hunt an all ireland. My other point..... about the divisional sides goes to the very core of why divisional sides are there...to give a shop window to players that need a shop window..... and i am not sure that such players in EK are getting that now....how can they with so many all winners on the team. The divisional sides are there to find up and coming intercounthy players. I would be interested in seeing the list of players that the EK manager rang in august to tell them they wont be involved this year. You made some reference to Paudie Clifford yesterday not getting a game or moving clubs or something...i dont know what that was about. Maybe you misread my posts. Anyway, i will say mo more on this. I have made my views known as clearly as i can. I don’t see what Shane Walsh has to do with anything. I’ve read your posts and you made 2 suggestions: 1) divisional sides should play up & coming young players ahead of established players 2) club sides who have won a championship should be banned from bringing in players for a specific period of time Were these not suggestions that you make? I gave an example of what would happen to the likes of paudi Clifford if the suggestions were enforced. He can’t play with east Kerry because of suggestion 1 and he can’t join Crokes because of suggesting 2. Therefore he’ll have to join spa and if they were relegated then he’d have to go find a new senior club if he wants to play senior county championship ( due to suggestion 1 still ruling him out of playing for east Kerry) Look I’m all in favour as strand road haven’t won a championship in 20 years and stacks have so we are bound to pick up some players from it. Now if you’re doing to respond then please change your usual habit of attacking the poster and/or changing the subject and deal with the 2 suggestions that you have made. How would they be implemented on a practical level?
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 2, 2022 9:49:13 GMT
I never suggested that current intercounty players should not play for divisional sides... show me where i said that....you wont find that i said that anywhere.
What i would question is picking ex intercounty players ahead of up and coming young players....how does that help players who need a shopwindow....and help identify future Kerry players.
The Shane Walsh situation is very relevant to the point i make about successful clubs getting stronger by 'taking in outside players'. I would like to see it become a rule. It would be good for competition.
The lads from Valentia might have joined KoR or Na Gaeil or Mitchells if Stacks had won the championships in the preceeding few years
I have not attacked you or anybody else. Perhaps you should withdraw that comment.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 2, 2022 11:01:03 GMT
I never suggested that current intercounty players should not play for divisional sides... show me where i said that....you wont find that i said that anywhere. What i would question is picking ex intercounty players ahead of up and coming young players....how does that help players who need a shopwindow....and help identify future Kerry players. The Shane Walsh situation is very relevant to the point i make about successful clubs getting stronger by 'taking in outside players'. I would like to see it become a rule. It would be good for competition. The lads from Valentia might have joined KoR or Na Gaeil or Mitchells if Stacks had won the championships in the preceeding few years I have not attacked you or anybody else. Perhaps you should withdraw that comment. You said All-Ireland winners shouldn't be allowed to play for divisional teams. Or are you going to change that as well? There's always been divisional teams and it's been able to identify Kerry players. Why is it all of a sudden different now? You keep making these claims yet won't back any of them up?
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 2, 2022 12:38:43 GMT
ah now the Narries cannot exactly throw stones in this discussion, when it comes to ‘convincing’ players to don the blue jersey. Irrelevant to what we are discussing True, best close the door quietly not to disturb the neighbours.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 3, 2022 8:51:22 GMT
I see where Westport won their first even senior title in Mayo. Its only a few years ago since they were intermediate. Can you imagine the craic in Matt Molloys pub on sunday night. Nice for Lee Keegan...he says he hasnt decided if he will play for Mayo next year. So I just read Westport had an ex Louth player playing with them. I guess you're going to be writing off that one as well?
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 3, 2022 9:14:28 GMT
Well said, Dromidiehard.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 3, 2022 9:20:24 GMT
So I just read Westport had an ex Louth player playing with them. I guess you're going to be writing off that one as well? Could the two of ye give it a break. Think everyone is getting a bit tired of yer back and forth where the only goal seems to be to undermine each other You need not worry. I have given up. I should have known better than to engage at all in the first place.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 3, 2022 9:29:16 GMT
So I just read Westport had an ex Louth player playing with them. I guess you're going to be writing off that one as well? Could the two of ye give it a break. Think everyone is getting a bit tired of yer back and forth where the only goal seems to be to undermine each other Ah jazus no, what with the long evenings, keep her lit - you'd never know what might emerge!
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 3, 2022 9:40:05 GMT
Could the two of ye give it a break. Think everyone is getting a bit tired of yer back and forth where the only goal seems to be to undermine each other You need not worry. I have given up. I should have known better than to engage at all in the first place. Yet here you are still commenting away...
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 3, 2022 9:41:08 GMT
So I just read Westport had an ex Louth player playing with them. I guess you're going to be writing off that one as well? Could the two of ye give it a break. Think everyone is getting a bit tired of yer back and forth where the only goal seems to be to undermine each other I just want to know if he's actually following his own logic. Is that too much to ask for?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 3, 2022 17:45:18 GMT
I never suggested that current intercounty players should not play for divisional sides... show me where i said that....you wont find that i said that anywhere. What i would question is picking ex intercounty players ahead of up and coming young players....how does that help players who need a shopwindow....and help identify future Kerry players. The Shane Walsh situation is very relevant to the point i make about successful clubs getting stronger by 'taking in outside players'. I would like to see it become a rule. It would be good for competition. The lads from Valentia might have joined KoR or Na Gaeil or Mitchells if Stacks had won the championships in the preceeding few years I have not attacked you or anybody else. Perhaps you should withdraw that comment. Absolutely not, look at your responses throughout this thread- constant patronising, derogatory nonsense. Then when I questioned the logic of your suggestion and how it could be implemented, you start going on about Kerins o rahillys or that stating that I shouldn’t have an opinion on Shane Walsh. What does that have to do with anything? That’s just attacking the poster and not dealing with the post itself. You have been asked on this thread several times to explain the logic behind your suggestion(s) and how they would be implemented and all you have done is just swipe back at the poster. It’s not unreasonable for people to question a suggested change whereby certain clubs are restricted from transferring players and an arbitrary age limit is being set for up & coming players. The changes you’re suggesting will rule a large number of players out of being eligible to play county championship football. But anyway here comes the attack on me or the patronising “I don’t know why I bother” comment
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 4, 2022 13:50:30 GMT
The thought occurred to me reading various threads that there are an awful lot of good footballers who will never get a chance of winning an AI final because their county is a mile off the pace - akin to junior club sides. Imagine the consternation if the recent review of the senior championship had said only 8 counties plus 8 amalgamations of the other 24 counties (with no limits) would contest future Sam Maguire championships to give those unfortunate players a chance of playing on the big stage and competing for AI glory.
Strange world we live in - and before anybody tears into my comment think it through.
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Post by homerj on Nov 4, 2022 13:53:45 GMT
given population issues in rural Ireland, it maybe a fact that in 10-20 years time, amalgamations are needed and then the counties play on their own also, in div 2, 3, 4 championships etc.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 6, 2022 13:23:07 GMT
The thought occurred to me reading various threads that there are an awful lot of good footballers who will never get a chance of winning an AI final because their county is a mile off the pace - akin to junior club sides. Imagine the consternation if the recent review of the senior championship had said only 8 counties plus 8 amalgamations of the other 24 counties (with no limits) would contest future Sam Maguire championships to give those unfortunate players a chance of playing on the big stage and competing for AI glory. Strange world we live in - and before anybody tears into my comment think it through. But that’s a misinterpretation of why we have the divisional teams. They are not set up so that everyone can win a championship, they are set up so that everyone can have the exposure at that level so as to put them in the shop window to play for Kerry. The end goal is getting the best players on to the Kerry team, there is no similar end goal to amalgamating county teams
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Post by legendz on Nov 6, 2022 13:40:05 GMT
The thought occurred to me reading various threads that there are an awful lot of good footballers who will never get a chance of winning an AI final because their county is a mile off the pace - akin to junior club sides. Imagine the consternation if the recent review of the senior championship had said only 8 counties plus 8 amalgamations of the other 24 counties (with no limits) would contest future Sam Maguire championships to give those unfortunate players a chance of playing on the big stage and competing for AI glory. Strange world we live in - and before anybody tears into my comment think it through. The Railway Cup should be the platform for the best intercounty players to play at an interprovincial level. The support wasn't there for that tournament and there is no room in the calendar.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 6, 2022 15:53:44 GMT
The thought occurred to me reading various threads that there are an awful lot of good footballers who will never get a chance of winning an AI final because their county is a mile off the pace - akin to junior club sides. Imagine the consternation if the recent review of the senior championship had said only 8 counties plus 8 amalgamations of the other 24 counties (with no limits) would contest future Sam Maguire championships to give those unfortunate players a chance of playing on the big stage and competing for AI glory. Strange world we live in - and before anybody tears into my comment think it through. But that’s a misinterpretation of why we have the divisional teams. They are not set up so that everyone can win a championship, they are set up so that everyone can have the exposure at that level so as to put them in the shop window to play for Kerry. The end goal is getting the best players on to the Kerry team, there is no similar end goal to amalgamating county teams Is your interpretation of why we have divisional teams a universally agreed objective? - if it was the case, a simple divisional competition would be the vehicle with no clubs. I have always been of the understanding that giving every club player a chance of winning a county championship was the fundamental underlying rationale of the divisional/club hybrid model we have in Kerry. Have the intermediate and junior championships always been so competitive or has it only been when structured promotion and relegation with provincial and national progression became a factor.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Nov 6, 2022 17:18:53 GMT
But that’s a misinterpretation of why we have the divisional teams. They are not set up so that everyone can win a championship, they are set up so that everyone can have the exposure at that level so as to put them in the shop window to play for Kerry. The end goal is getting the best players on to the Kerry team, there is no similar end goal to amalgamating county teams Is your interpretation of why we have divisional teams a universally agreed objective? - if it was the case, a simple divisional competition would be the vehicle with no clubs. I have always been of the understanding that giving every club player a chance of winning a county championship was the fundamental underlying rationale of the divisional/club hybrid model we have in Kerry. Have the intermediate and junior championships always been so competitive or has it only been when structured promotion and relegation with provincial and national progression became a factor. I genuinely don’t think it is but then again it could also be a combination of both. My understanding is that it was established to give l players exposure- I suppose the other extreme if only having a divisional championship could be used as a way of giving all club players a chance to play in the county championship- just make it all clubs and an open draw. I always saw the divisional sides as a vehicle to get players onto the Kerry team Having divisional teams is still relatively elitist so I never really considered it as a vehicle for letting players win trophies
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 7, 2022 0:50:16 GMT
How did it come to pass that Beaufort are Mid-Kerry and Listry aren't. I see online that Listry and Fossa were once the one club... perhaps this explains in some way why Listry are in East Kerry.
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 7, 2022 8:00:49 GMT
How did it come to pass that Beaufort are Mid-Kerry and Listry aren't. I see online that Listry and Fossa were once the one club... perhaps this explains in some way why Listry are in East Kerry. Mid Kerry was part of East Kerry originally but broke away in the 30s or 40s. I assume Listry just stayed with East kerry.
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Post by onlykerry on Nov 7, 2022 9:21:52 GMT
I see online that Listry and Fossa were once the one club... perhaps this explains in some way why Listry are in East Kerry. Mid Kerry was part of East Kerry originally but broke away in the 30s or 40s. I assume Listry just stayed with East kerry. Mid Kerry formed in 1947 I believe - and was a breakout from the older East Kerry district. Fossa is another club that could be in East or Mid based on geographical location.
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