mike70
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Post by mike70 on Oct 30, 2022 17:15:42 GMT
In fairness the closeness of the game in the final stages has a huge impact on the reaction at the final whistle. In my opinion the difference is more down to that than club vs district. You may be right but you have just won/lost the premier competition within the county - the pinnacle achievement for the majority of club players and I would expect more emotion regardless the scoreline. More than 20 of todays players will be out with their individual clubs next weekend in semi finals of their respective grades so celebrations and the drowning of sorrows will be curtailed I suspect. And if any of them players win the relevant championship with there club be it intermediate or junior, it will be of huge pride to go onto munster championship with their club, that same chance is not given to senior clubs every year, you could be best club team and get beat by a divisional team, denying you and your club a day on the biggest stage. As already said congrats to EK a fine team . Best of luck to all in club championship action next week.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 30, 2022 18:35:22 GMT
An advert to scrap the divisional championship and leave it to the clubs, way more passion, thru all the levels. Congrats to the EK boys, well deserved victory. Clifford brothers were excellent. Kerry are the All-Ireland champions. That is an advert for the divisional sides.
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Post by southward on Oct 30, 2022 18:40:46 GMT
I've been critical of the resources/amount of clubs enjoyed by EK but you'd have to say the football they played at times today was a joy. Atmosphere was a bit flat alright but still good to watch. Weather improved dramatically from the morning too.
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Post by rapook on Oct 30, 2022 18:53:57 GMT
Not in my book, we wouldn't get to see the brilliance that is David Clifford on this stage if that was the case. Not just him either but Jameso, Paudie and Paul as well as others. Hopefully one of the EK teams will win the Intermediate to reduce their pick a little bit as they are just too strong at the moment. We see enough of DC with Kerry, today told us nothing, we all know DC is the best, jameso , pM should all be playing senior football with their clubs in a senior championship. Don’t forget, fossa coming up the levels too.
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Post by mike70 on Oct 30, 2022 18:55:02 GMT
An advert to scrap the divisional championship and leave it to the clubs, way more passion, thru all the levels. Congrats to the EK boys, well deserved victory. Clifford brothers were excellent. Kerry are the All-Ireland champions. That is an advert for the divisional sides. What’s the connection, I could say it’s an advert for the clubs, I believe 9 of the starting all ireland winners come from clubs. The argument about divisional teams and Kerry winning all ireland is Farcical in my opinion.
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Post by rapook on Oct 30, 2022 18:58:28 GMT
Not in my book, we wouldn't get to see the brilliance that is David Clifford on this stage if that was the case. Not just him either but Jameso, Paudie and Paul as well as others. Hopefully one of the EK teams will win the Intermediate to reduce their pick a little bit as they are just too strong at the moment. We see enough of DC with Kerry, today told us nothing, we all know DC is the best, jameso , pM should all be playing senior football with their clubs in a senior championship. Don’t forget, fossa coming up the levels too. Wow.. we see enough of David are you serious.. never see enough of this magician... and wouldn't exactly agree that fossa coming up the levels as u put it.. division 3 and junior team.. Good team with the Clifford's but very very ordinary without them imho
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 30, 2022 19:22:38 GMT
Kerry are the All-Ireland champions. That is an advert for the divisional sides. What’s the connection, I could say it’s an advert for the clubs, I believe 9 of the starting all ireland winners come from clubs. The argument about divisional teams and Kerry winning all ireland is Farcical in my opinion. Wow does that really need to be explained to you? Alo i'm pretty everyone on the Kerry panel comes from a club.
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Post by mike70 on Oct 30, 2022 19:24:50 GMT
What’s the connection, I could say it’s an advert for the clubs, I believe 9 of the starting all ireland winners come from clubs. The argument about divisional teams and Kerry winning all ireland is Farcical in my opinion. Wow does that really need to be explained to you? Alo i'm pretty everyone on the Kerry panel comes from a club. To me no explanation required. I am well aware of the players and their clubs.
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 30, 2022 19:35:54 GMT
Wow does that really need to be explained to you? Alo i'm pretty everyone on the Kerry panel comes from a club. To me no explanation required. I am well aware of the players and their clubs. Why isn't there a connection between divisional teams and Kerry winning All-Irelands then? Also you said only 9 players in the All-Ireland final came from clubs.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 30, 2022 19:51:41 GMT
On radio Kerry after the match they were talking about EK and how they would be capable of being a division 3 team ...or maybe Division 2.
Hard to see any team in Division 2 living with them in my opinion if they were training and playing regularly.
If they represented Kerry they would definitely win the Munster championship. They would beat all teams in Leinster bar Dublin.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 30, 2022 19:55:08 GMT
I think the 2020 version of East Kerry was better as Spa have more top level players than Legion and Kilcummin combined. Having David Clifford is the key really though.
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Post by mike70 on Oct 30, 2022 19:55:58 GMT
To me no explanation required. I am well aware of the players and their clubs. Why isn't there a connection between divisional teams and Kerry winning All-Irelands then? Also you said only 9 players in the All-Ireland final came from clubs. It’s my reply to someone comments, the lads playing for kerry have all been spotted and in development squads, schools football, for me divisional football has sweet all to do with Kerry winning all irelands, for me it’s more about our tradition of football within our clubs.
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Post by mossie on Oct 30, 2022 20:00:36 GMT
I think the 2020 version of East Kerry was better as Spa have more top level players than Legion and Kilcummin combined. Having David Clifford is the key really though. is this east kerry team better than the east kerry team of the 1990s?
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 30, 2022 20:08:16 GMT
Why isn't there a connection between divisional teams and Kerry winning All-Irelands then? Also you said only 9 players in the All-Ireland final came from clubs. It’s my reply to someone comments, the lads playing for kerry have all been spotted and in development squads, schools football, for me divisional football has sweet all to do with Kerry winning all irelands, for me it’s more about our tradition of football within our clubs. Where was Paudie Clifford for example spotted?
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Post by veteran on Oct 30, 2022 21:18:20 GMT
How wonderful it was to see all the young boys and girls gravitate en masse towards the Pied Piper after the match . What a mesmeric figure he is for all of them and ,dare I say it, for old codgers as well!
Mid Kerry were unfortunate that East Kerry reserved their best display for the final, a good ploy always. Irrespective of how East Kerry is constituted , one has to concede that the football they played, at times today, was breath taking. They played with the cohesion of a club side . The ball was moved fast and accurately. The defence was bullet proof in most positions, midfield monopolised primary and secondary possession , while up front it can be stated without any fear of contradiction that every man kept his quin up where ,needless to say , the peerless Pied Piper marched to the beat of his own drum .
Mid Kerry made a contest of it until about forty five minutes , that is until David’s goal. It was a goal worthy of deciding the issue. JO’D , playing a role all through not unlike his role in the 2014 final in Croke Park, got it into Ruaiiri Murphy, he laid it on for Paudie who in turn gave it to the brother for completion. For once goalie , Sean Coffey, was outwitted but I will be very surprised if Jack will not be contacting him. There has been a slew of fine footballing Coffeys down the years form Beaufort : Kevin, John , Dan, Dominick etc. . Kinship with any of those boys wouldn’t be a start in a football life.
The entire game was peppered with great scores and great individual performances , not exclusively from the winners. I am not going to enumerate all the top performers but , from a Kerry perspective in 2023 there were a few appetising cameos , not just from a senior standpoint but also from an u20 viewpoint.
Ronan Buckley has been a solid if unspectacular workhorse at midfield all through the campaign. I know he was in with Peter but I don’t think he was in with Jack. Darragh Lyne needs fine tuning but the raw material is there. There is no doubt Darragh Roche has tons of ability but I wish he would study DC. I know it is invidious to compare anybody with David but Darragh would need to accept that football is a team game and one needs to be conscious of a teammate in a better position and keep the head up as the Fossa man always does. It is different when you are playing with Glenflesk where you are their DC in fact. If Darragh could bring that dimension to his game he would become a serious contender in Jack’s plans. I am not sure about Dan O’Brien. There was a time when I felt it was only a matter of time before he made the breakthrough but now I don’t know. Is he a bit loose?
On the Mid Kerry side it was Mike Breen who was the eyecatcher . I felt he was immense in the second half. Remain injury free and bring his fitness up to intercounty levels - he could force his way into that Kerry back line in a variety of positions.
From the u20 aspect :Tomas must be salivating at the prospect of tutoring the likes of Keith Evans, Ruairi Murphy and Kieran Dennehy.
So, the curtain comes down on the main stage. All that is left for this curmudgeon is the North Kerry Championship. How bad! In darker moments I can reflect on a year without compare. I can recreate vignettes from that glorious voyage and sure, I suppose , I will occasionally luxuriate in the memory of some supernatural deeds enacted by the Pied Piper. I have a feeling in these old bones that this could one of the shortest winters yet.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 30, 2022 21:33:21 GMT
I think the 2020 version of East Kerry was better as Spa have more top level players than Legion and Kilcummin combined. Having David Clifford is the key really though. I'm not sure I would agree with you there. Did the Spa players in 20 offer more than the 4 legion lads today?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 30, 2022 21:53:40 GMT
I think the 2020 version of East Kerry was better as Spa have more top level players than Legion and Kilcummin combined. Having David Clifford is the key really though. I'm not sure I would agree with you there. Did the Spa players in 20 offer more than the 4 legion lads today? I think so. Maybe throw it back to 19 as Liam Kearney was injured in 20. Dan O’Donoghue, Shane Cronin, Liam Kearney, Dara Moynihan, Mike Foley and Evan Cronin all made big contributions for EK. Overall as a group I don’t think Jonathon Lyne, Darragh Lyne, Cian Gammell and James O’Donoghue were anywhere near as prominent although to be fair I thought Darragh Lyne and Cian Gammell were both good today.
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Post by homerj on Oct 30, 2022 21:55:29 GMT
What was attendance today, seemed way down on previous years.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 30, 2022 22:32:33 GMT
What was attendance today, seemed way down on previous years. Irish times says just shy of 6k. I didn't hear any announcement at the game.
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Post by clarinman on Oct 30, 2022 22:42:05 GMT
I'm not sure I would agree with you there. Did the Spa players in 20 offer more than the 4 legion lads today? I think so. Maybe throw it back to 19 as Liam Kearney was injured in 20. Dan O’Donoghue, Shane Cronin, Liam Kearney, Dara Moynihan, Mike Foley and Evan Cronin all made big contributions for EK. Overall as a group I don’t think Jonathon Lyne, Darragh Lyne, Cian Gammell and James O’Donoghue were anywhere near as prominent although to be fair I thought Darragh Lyne and Cian Gammell were both good today. I thought Jonathan Lyne was very good today. It was your use of top level player that I had the issue with.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 31, 2022 1:03:47 GMT
Does that score-line look like a fair reflection of how the teams looked on paper?
BTW I wasn't fully factoring in DC, well not for 1-9 anyway.
Does this make for one of the outstanding performances of a GAA player in a year? What will they do from here on?
Well, done to them, and to DC - people will regret not making the journey, if only to be able to say they were there.
From the 2022 Club games, how many new faces will walk straight onto the county panel - if in doubt leave 'em out. Ok, how many new faces will start in the League? Maybe if contributors limit selection to one, then the best and only the best will all be mentioned.
Ah my auld sesquipedalian pal Veteran had made a start on this already in what is probably up there with his greatest match reports, even if he is jeopardising his sesquipedalian status.
Forum Quote Of The Year - I have a feeling in these old bones that this could one of the shortest winters yet
PS With the longer evenings and if anyone is up for a challenge, what about a breakdown of DC under say the various characteristics that make for a great player - Fielding, Both feet, Dead ball, Scoring distance, Interplay, etc, etc. His strength is often overlooked and it was only a clip of him being goaded by O'Houra spelt it out to me - Man and Boy it was for sure; I'd say DC's quad is twice Padraig's.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 31, 2022 8:31:21 GMT
Where was Paudie Clifford for example spotted? Kerry junior team like Adrian Spillane Morley etc Hah...he wasnt expecting that answer.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 31, 2022 8:36:16 GMT
PS With the longer evenings and if anyone is up for a challenge, what about a breakdown of DC under say the various characteristics that make for a great player - Fielding, Both feet, Dead ball, Scoring distance, Interplay, etc, etc. His strength is often overlooked Spose the only other player with all those skills in the past 30 years anyway were Maurice Fitzgerald and Michael Murphy of Donegal.
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Post by homerj on Oct 31, 2022 8:50:02 GMT
Has there been a team of the championship released yet?
Normally get an official one then sponsors/media ones
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Post by westgaa on Oct 31, 2022 9:03:05 GMT
East Kerry had way too much for Midkerry but the stand out player from a midkerry point of view was young Dennehy for me, if he got more ball had the beating of his man. Looks like a natural corner forward.
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 31, 2022 9:07:03 GMT
Kerry junior team like Adrian Spillane Morley etc Hah...he wasnt expecting that answer. Still waiting for you to tell us your issue with divisional teams?
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 31, 2022 9:09:13 GMT
Where was Paudie Clifford for example spotted? Kerry junior team like Adrian Spillane Morley etc Seeing as he never played underage with Kerry where did the Junior selectors see him?
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 31, 2022 9:16:19 GMT
Serious question. Would people have had an issue if Mid Kerry had won? Or is it just because it's East Kerry?
Also the ones shouting the most about it. As someone else has said did ye have an issue with East Kerry for the 20 years in-between championship wins? Did te have the same issue with South Kerry in the 2000s?
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Post by piggott on Oct 31, 2022 10:39:26 GMT
Everybody delighted when East Kerry defeated Crokes in 2019. New horizons. This year they appeared great on paper but only showed that in final and maybe againxt Narries. Only 16 teams allowed compete in Senior County Championship, and in Kerry every player has the right to challenge for a medal, whether he comes from Rock Street or Tousist.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 31, 2022 10:47:37 GMT
Probably more a question for the sports trivia thread but anyway....
Does the side that won the 2022 county championship contain the most all ireland senior football medal holders.... 7 by my tally?
Surely a record...
Also, does it have the record for most all star winners?
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