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Post by Jo90 on Oct 27, 2022 15:06:11 GMT
Great situation to be in that Kerry win 7 and a case could be made for 4 more - Tom O'S, Graham O'S, Brian Ó B and Stephen O'B.
5 is a lot for Galway when you consider they finished 2nd in Div 2, lost the Div 2 final, and only beat Derry and Armagh in the Championship knockout.
I guess being in a final that was level with a few minutes to go earned them a bigger share than normal.
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Post by peanuts on Oct 27, 2022 16:36:42 GMT
7 is a good haul in fairness. ToS is unlucky but if he got one it would probably have been at the expense of Gavin White. Tom was possibly a bit lucky to get one last year so it all evens out in the end.
Its a nice end of year bonus for the players that do get one.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 27, 2022 17:19:16 GMT
Is this the first year ever that the All Stars were drawn only from the championship semifinalists and finalists? In theory then, players had to do well in only two games. And this is suppose to be the team of the the year. What a farce. Kerry did well to get seven but in their defence they did win the NFL as well . The difference between correlation and coincidence; you even a few contradictions right in there, E.g. Comer despite a quiet AI final - I thought the sesquipedalian UCC graduates would know all about that and in contrast to us hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobics of NIHE/UL doctrine? - now I trust I didn't discombobulate you here Vet - such brobdingnagian, circumlocution is a poor gasconade! Anyone do a tot on All Stars by club/parish - Foley is the first Ballydonoghoor, the quintessential Ballydonoghoor. Now there's a mouthful to whet Vet's appetite for big words! |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Oct 27, 2022 18:46:50 GMT
Well done to all the Kerry all stars. I am delighted in particular for the first timers. While I would quibble with a couple of picks and the selection criteria remains unclear and inconsistent, overall I would struggle to be outraged over the selection.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 28, 2022 0:19:14 GMT
Well done to all the Kerry all stars. I am delighted in particular for the first timers. While I would quibble with a couple of picks and the selection criteria remains unclear and inconsistent, overall I would struggle to be outraged over the selection. That about sums it up and I'd say the selectors would come up with a slightly different panel for every day of the week - sure you'd do it yourself. I suppose there can be more competition for certain positions/lines in a given year but nevertheless I don't think there was never an All Star that wasn't deserved, and there is no such thing as a free one either with all the blood, sweat and tears - just look at Foley's path from Minor and how long he had to wait for an AI one, and now an All Star, almost makes it worthwhile, so well done to Jason, and his team mates. Nice to see a young men getting their just rewards - it was rick road, ups and downs, twists and turns, no guarantees anyone would make it and there was doubts at times. |
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Post by Jo90 on Oct 28, 2022 9:07:17 GMT
Is this the first year ever that the All Stars were drawn only from the championship semifinalists and finalists? In theory then, players had to do well in only two games. And this is suppose to be the team of the the year. What a farce. Kerry did well to get seven but in their defence they did win the NFL as well . No, this is the 3rd year in a row it happened. Also happened in 2014 and 2017. In 2005 they were drawn from the 2 finalists and just one semi-finalist (Armagh) |
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Post by veteran on Oct 28, 2022 10:01:35 GMT
Is this the first year ever that the All Stars were drawn only from the championship semifinalists and finalists? In theory then, players had to do well in only two games. And this is suppose to be the team of the the year. What a farce. Kerry did well to get seven but in their defence they did win the NFL as well . No, this is the 3rd year in a row it happened. Also happened in 2014 and 2017. In 2005 they were drawn from the 2 finalists and just one semi-finalist (Armagh) The selection methodology has been derisory for longer than I thought. |
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Post by thehermit on Oct 28, 2022 10:05:29 GMT
Still 4 All Stars and only 23 yet, if Davy's career continues to live up to expectation Pat and King Henry's haul may be eclipsed!
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Post by veteran on Oct 28, 2022 10:18:39 GMT
The footballer of the year is to be announced tonight. If it is based on performances in the NFL and championship , as it should be of course, then it is David by a mile.
As far as I know , the electorate for this selection is the GPA membership. This electorate determined that Shane Walsh was the July footballer of the month. I feel even the most rabid Galway supporter would have misgivings about that. Based on the All-Star selection which, seemingly, is restricted to performances in July, would it not be consistent for the GPA electorate to now vote Shane Walsh footballer of the year!
Nothing would surprise me in this upside down world.
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Post by glengael on Oct 28, 2022 11:41:43 GMT
Templenoe are joint 5th I think in the list of clubs whose players have got the most football All Stars. I saw the list online somewhere.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 28, 2022 13:14:50 GMT
Templenoe are joint 5th I think in the list of clubs whose players have got the most football All Stars. I saw the list online somewhere. A heap of stats by this Twitter account: |
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Post by keane on Oct 28, 2022 13:35:16 GMT
Templenoe are joint 5th I think in the list of clubs whose players have got the most football All Stars. I saw the list online somewhere. It got lost a bit in all the hullabaloo about Stacks being relegated, but what a club Templenoe are. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 28, 2022 14:26:09 GMT
Now that Elon Muck owns Twitter we need to recover the data before it changes!
How many of Stacks was Sheehy, Johnno and Power, they had 3 x 8 AIs so would they have gotten Al Stars most years?
Take 3 Spillanes out of Templenoe and what's left - ah I wish every club had 3 brothers so a mute point?
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Post by greengold35 on Oct 28, 2022 18:34:50 GMT
The footballer of the year is to be announced tonight. If it is based on performances in the NFL and championship , as it should be of course, then it is David by a mile. As far as I know , the electorate for this selection is the GPA membership. This electorate determined that Shane Walsh was the July footballer of the month. I feel even the most rabid Galway supporter would have misgivings about that. Based on the All-Star selection which, seemingly, is restricted to performances in July, would it not be consistent for the GPA electorate to now vote Shane Walsh footballer of the year! Nothing would surprise me in this upside down world. As you say nothing would surprise but the way DC performed last year he was most likely POTY ( scored 8-39 in league & championship) - he wasn’t even nominated!! |
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Post by Jo90 on Oct 28, 2022 18:53:38 GMT
Pat Spillane s record as an all star is just second to none. He won them at a time when it was much harder to win an all star. That time a player was nominated for the one position. You could be the second best player in the country over a year and not get an all star if you played in same position as the number one player. Nowadays if you in top 5 it 6 you will get accommodated. Spillane also was injured for 2 years. His record is top class. Also even Shefflin no disrespect is a of different era too and hurli g had a much smaller pool. Under the old system Comer would nt get an all star as he d be up against Clifford and Clifford probably would nt have got one in 2018.On poty while we don't know who will win David was more consistent than Shane and scored more from play and played in a higher division. For me it's a no contest between them. Clifford poty. I would argue it's harder to win one now. Back then if your position was particularly weak amongst other counties it was easy to win an All-Star and Pat's position of Left Wing Forward didn't have a glut of talent around making it easier for him to win. These days if there's 6 better players in any position in the forwards you lose out. Basically if your position has lots of talented players in that specific position, it's easier to win one now, but if you're in a position with little competition it was easier back then. |
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Post by peanuts on Oct 28, 2022 19:57:00 GMT
Templenoe are joint 5th I think in the list of clubs whose players have got the most football All Stars. I saw the list online somewhere. A heap of stats by this Twitter account: Mightn’t be too long before Fossa is on that list. |
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Oct 28, 2022 20:02:10 GMT
Templenoe are joint 5th I think in the list of clubs whose players have got the most football All Stars. I saw the list online somewhere. A heap of stats by this Twitter account: Hardly including Shane Walsh in the Kilamcud figures are they? His intercounty year ended before the transfer. Edit ignore me. I saw it stay at 10 |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 28, 2022 20:06:50 GMT
I would argue it's harder to win one now. Back then if your position was particularly weak amongst other counties it was easy to win an All-Star and Pat's position of Left Wing Forward didn't have a glut of talent around making it easier for him to win. These days if there's 6 better players in any position in the forwards you lose out. Basically if your position has lots of talented players in that specific position, it's easier to win one now, but if you're in a position with little competition it was easier back then. Have to disagree with you big time. The fact is that if you are in the top 4 or 5 forwards in the year you will get an all star. Back then you could be 2nd best player in the country and lose out because the best player was in your position. You had to be the best player in your position in the country then. Now you don't. Example Paudie Clifford at 15 would have lost out to Shane Walsh. Comer would gave lost out to David etc. Nowadays as a rule the 6 best forwards get the slot. Not back then. On the other hand a player mightn’t be in the best 12 forwards but could still be the best left half forward for example. It works both ways. |
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Post by clarinman on Oct 28, 2022 21:53:12 GMT
Pat Spillane s record as an all star is just second to none. He won them at a time when it was much harder to win an all star. That time a player was nominated for the one position. You could be the second best player in the country over a year and not get an all star if you played in same position as the number one player. Nowadays if you in top 5 it 6 you will get accommodated. Spillane also was injured for 2 years. His record is top class. Also even Shefflin no disrespect is a of different era too and hurli g had a much smaller pool. Under the old system Comer would nt get an all star as he d be up against Clifford and Clifford probably would nt have got one in 2018.On poty while we don't know who will win David was more consistent than Shane and scored more from play and played in a higher division. For me it's a no contest between them. Clifford poty. Players back then were nominated in one position but often they were nominated in positions they didn't play in if there was a top class rival in the same position. Bomber Liston won an all-star at centre forward in the mid 80s. Matt Connor, I think, won 2 in the half forward line. I think he was picked half forward in 82 to accommodate the entire Kerry full forward line. |
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Post by Jo90 on Oct 28, 2022 22:23:04 GMT
Might as well lock this thread till the title is decided. One thing I find funny, is every year that Kerry get to the All-Ireland final, the All-Stars thread gets locked until after the final. Piseógs are obviously alive and well in Kerry. If discussing All-Stars makes people uncomfortable, they shouldn't partake, but don't let those who think Kerry's fate in the All-Ireland final isn't related to a thread in a online forum, from discussing it. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Oct 28, 2022 22:44:04 GMT
Congratulations to David on winning footballer of the year, a huge achievement and the first of a few I hope. His consistency in the biggest games is phenomenal. The transition from (probably) the greatest minor of all time to the best footballer in the country has been seamless. We’re very lucky to have him.
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Post by wideball on Oct 28, 2022 22:55:08 GMT
I would argue it's harder to win one now. Back then if your position was particularly weak amongst other counties it was easy to win an All-Star and Pat's position of Left Wing Forward didn't have a glut of talent around making it easier for him to win. These days if there's 6 better players in any position in the forwards you lose out. Basically if your position has lots of talented players in that specific position, it's easier to win one now, but if you're in a position with little competition it was easier back then. Have to disagree with you big time. The fact is that if you are in the top 4 or 5 forwards in the year you will get an all star. Back then you could be 2nd best player in the country and lose out because the best player was in your position. You had to be the best player in your position in the country then. Now you don't. Example Paudie Clifford at 15 would have lost out to Shane Walsh. Comer would gave lost out to David etc. Nowadays as a rule the 6 best forwards get the slot. Not back then. Out of interest, could anyone here reference any year where the second best footballer did not win an all star? Seems like it would be an anomaly today, and potentially point to a change in how voters select all-stars. |
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Post by wideball on Oct 28, 2022 23:01:16 GMT
The footballer of the year is to be announced tonight. If it is based on performances in the NFL and championship , as it should be of course, then it is David by a mile. As far as I know , the electorate for this selection is the GPA membership. This electorate determined that Shane Walsh was the July footballer of the month. I feel even the most rabid Galway supporter would have misgivings about that. Based on the All-Star selection which, seemingly, is restricted to performances in July, would it not be consistent for the GPA electorate to now vote Shane Walsh footballer of the year! Nothing would surprise me in this upside down world. Galway fans definitely appreciate DC. Earlier this summer, I attended the Joe McDonagh final which preceded the Leinster hurling final. During the interval of both games a group of Galway fans noticed the Kerry jersey and wanted to talk about DC. Not about their own hurlers in the Leinster final, the great manager on the opposition sideline or their own talented footballers. To me, this signified the attraction of his talent. Definitely a Kerry footballer appreciated outside the county bounds. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 29, 2022 2:28:00 GMT
Galway fans definitely appreciate DC. Earlier this summer, I attended the Joe McDonagh final which preceded the Leinster hurling final. During the interval of both games a group of Galway fans noticed the Kerry jersey and wanted to talk about DC. Not about their own hurlers in the Leinster final, the great manager on the opposition sideline or their own talented footballers. To me, this signified the attraction of his talent. Definitely a Kerry footballer appreciated outside the county bounds. David Clifford is the biggest superstar in gaa today. I could nt help but notice at the away games in the league I attended this year the opposing fans running to Clifford when game over. I have nt seen that since Joe Canning. To his credit he spends lots of time signing jerseys autographs and posing for photos. A class act on and off the field and a credit to Kerry. Overall I think it was fair, well if popular is fair anyway. Still Comer had a poor AI final but he is still deemed in the top 15 while TO'S isn't - and we always thought there were more attackers than defenders. Funny enough but I wouldn't leave out Damien either, if only for his traditional style and skill. And then there was that fight he started as they left the ballroom - some say he was intoxicated just like everyone else while wiser counsel contends that he was getting what he wanted at all costs, and who would ever have thought it a good idea to get the opponent in big trouble with the bouncers? |
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Post by kerrysouth on Oct 29, 2022 7:11:43 GMT
Congrats to the 7 Kerry players that received all stars.It is tough for the players that missed out but in reality we must be happy and pleased to receive 7.Maybe I am biased being from down South but I think Graham very unlucky not to receive an all star and probably his lower profile being his first year on the team probably cost him but hopefully he will have other opportunities in the next few years.if David Clifford can avoid injury it is inevitable that he will break the record for most all stars as he already has 4 and he is only 23 and unlike Maurice Fitzgerald in his time he is part of a very good Kerry squad which means he should be playing in the latter stages of the championship most years .
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Post by wideball on Oct 29, 2022 9:40:59 GMT
Out of interest, could anyone here reference any year where the second best footballer did not win an all star? Seems like it would be an anomaly today, and potentially point to a change in how voters select all-stars. Well obviously that's hard as it all about opinions but I recall Mikey Sheehy being brilliant in 1980 for Kerry at number 13.He also scored 1-6 out of 1-9 in our All Ireland win v Roscommon. He was one of the best players that year but was up against Matt Connor of Offaly and Matt got the all star. Mikey did nt. Today both would have been the first two names picked. That was the system back then. Thanks for that ciarraimick. That does seem like a more rigid system. I think Declan Browne of Tipperary spoke about getting an All-star for a position he didn't play and feeling he didn't deserve it as it wasn't his position, even if he was one of the 6 best forwards that year. His reasoning was that either he was good enough in his own position or he wasn't. |
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 29, 2022 10:09:32 GMT
Our Dublin contributors are gone very quiet.
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Post by taggert on Oct 29, 2022 17:10:07 GMT
Overall I think it was fair, well if popular is fair anyway. Still Comer had a poor AI final but he is still deemed in the top 15 while TO'S isn't - and we always thought there were more attackers than defenders. Funny enough but I wouldn't leave out Damien either, if only for his traditional style and skill. And then there was that fight he started as they left the ballroom - some say he was intoxicated just like everyone else while wiser counsel contends that he was getting what he wanted at all costs, and who would ever have thought it a good idea to get the opponent in big trouble with the bouncers? A forward can get away with one or two bad games if he shines in others. One bad game and a vack can lose out. Same with a keeper Would agree with this. Another factor was the competition - McKaigue and Silke had stellar campaigns and while Tom is a great player, he was destroyed in the final. Where Comer was concerned the only viable alternative was probably Rian O'Neill who had a great league but an ordinary championship, save for 'that' free. The winning of the All Star for Comer was his 2-2 of 2-8 haul in the semi final, when Walsh did not score from play. Finals count but so do semi's as Galway would probably not have made the final were it not for Comer's display in that game against Derry. |
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Post by blacksheep21 on Oct 29, 2022 18:12:45 GMT
Agreed. The competition in the backs was ferocious. Brendan Rogers lost out for similar reasons to Tom while the likes of Lee Keegan and Graham O Sullivan who both had very good years were not even in the picture.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 30, 2022 1:09:03 GMT
Overall I think it was fair, well if popular is fair anyway. Still Comer had a poor AI final but he is still deemed in the top 15 while TO'S isn't - and we always thought there were more attackers than defenders. Funny enough but I wouldn't leave out Damien either, if only for his traditional style and skill. And then there was that fight he started as they left the ballroom - some say he was intoxicated just like everyone else while wiser counsel contends that he was getting what he wanted at all costs, and who would ever have thought it a good idea to get the opponent in big trouble with the bouncers? A forward can get away with one or two bad games if he shines in others. One bad game and a vack can lose out. Same with a keeper Yip, just like a ref gives the benefit of the doubt to defenders - otherwise his decision could determine the overall result and maybe his career path! |
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