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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2022 10:32:57 GMT
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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2022 11:00:26 GMT
I'd be pretty confident the journos didn't want to split the Clifford vote between two Kerry players which is why they nominated two from Galway. The procedure for deciding the POTY was changed in the last few years so as to avoid any risk of vote splitting if two players from one county versus one player from another county were nominated. Proof in the article below by John Fogarty. www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40713338.htmlThanks for the info. |
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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2022 11:02:02 GMT
To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. Con got 1-6 against Wexford and one point against Meath. He's nominated on the basis of a good performance against the team sixth in D4 and a good performance against Kildare. James McCarthy for Footballer of the Year on the basis of the game against Kerry would have more merit. |
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 11:04:44 GMT
In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. Con got 1-6 against Wexford and one point against Meath. He's nominated on the basis of a good performance against the team sixth in D4 and a good performance against Kildare. James McCarthy for Footballer of the Year on the basis of the game against Kerry would have more merit. Had a quick look on ResevoirDubs for the craic. Even the Dubs are laughing at this one. |
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2022 11:07:47 GMT
To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. Yeah it's not that surprising he got a nomination. Looks to me like they were struggling a fair bit to fill out the final few in the forwards category this year. There's a couple more nominations in the forwards who haven't a hope in hell of actually winning. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2022 12:55:55 GMT
Killian Spillane more worthy than Con for an All Star?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2022 13:06:27 GMT
For sure there are a few forwards nominated that have nt a hope in hell of getting an allstar and in the backs I thought Galways Kieran Molloy unlucky not to get a nomination.My pick is 1. Shane Ryan.2. C.McKaigue. 3.J.Foley.4. L.Gannon. 5.J.Daly, 6.T.Morley, 7.G.White. 8.C.Glass, 9.C.McDaid,10.P.Clifford, 11.S. O Shea 12. C.Kilkenny 13.D.Clifford 14.R.O Neill 15. S. Walsh.Unlucky for me was McKinless Silke Tom Sullivan and James Mccarthy at the back and Raffery in goals.Upfront Comer MCGuigan and Stefan Campbell in particular very unlucky. I nearly agree with your selection but for me its a complete nonsense if Graham oSullivan doesnt get one. Apart from doing the primary job of defending well, he was one of the most creative attacking players in the country in 2022. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 7, 2022 17:48:03 GMT
Killian Spillane more worthy than Con for an All Star? There’s lads from Clare who played well against Roscommon would be more in line than Con. It’s laughable that he got a nomination and it people reference his scores against division 4 Wexford then I would argue that my esteemed west Kerry colleague is correct in saying that killian Spillane deserves a nomination as he tore it up against a better team in a Munster final and had a big influence on the final |
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 20:12:56 GMT
Con ó Callaghan won't get an all star and he does nt deserve one either. However he was better than a good few nominated. Con played 3 championship games and two of those were against division one opposition. He was brilliant v Meath. It might surprise some to know that Con was top scorer in the championship from play eventhough he only played 3 games Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? |
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Post by ballybunion on Sept 7, 2022 20:35:32 GMT
Callaghan getting a nomination is more than laughable, Its downright degrading to the many fine forwards that played throughout league and championship. He played a few weeks of the 52 against a relegated Kildare and Wexford and Meath !!!
No world beaters there. I would give Kilkenny an All Star but O Callaghan- no way
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 7, 2022 20:48:01 GMT
Con ó Callaghan won't get an all star and he does nt deserve one either. However he was better than a good few nominated. Con played 3 championship games and two of those were against division one opposition. He was brilliant v Meath. It might surprise some to know that Con was top scorer in the championship from play eventhough he only played 3 games Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? He only played in the Leinster championship, which is a farce at the moment, so it’s hilarious that he’s been nominated on the back of a few games there. He didn’t play in the league either and this nomination just makes no sense from a performance perspective |
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 21:15:12 GMT
Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? Not quite the same thing, with respect. Clifford played in the league (which Kerry won) that year. And due to the knockout format, most teams only got one championship game that year so obviously the league should have carried more weight. Having said that, no one was complaining when he didn't get the gong. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 7, 2022 21:19:33 GMT
Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? It's based.on the years performance which includes the league. Con didn't play any league games this year. How many games did James Mc Carthy play this year? |
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Post by mossie on Sept 7, 2022 22:24:05 GMT
Is it mad to suggest Tom Sullivan was better than Graham O'Sullivan in 2022?! Tom was on many all star selections before the final and Shane Walsh cut loose
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2022 7:53:32 GMT
Is it mad to suggest Tom Sullivan was better than Graham O'Sullivan in 2022?! Tom was on many all star selections before the final and Shane Walsh cut loose A Kerry fullback line wouldnt be mad atall. Graham was very good v Mayo, Dublin and Galway so i dont know what more he could do. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2022 9:21:43 GMT
The All-Star jamboree has come around again. I never get too worked up about them particularly, since of late , performances in the NFL tend to be ignored, That is mind boggling because it has become a great competition with teams of equal merit playing each other. Indeed, not alone is the NFL ignored but a slew of early championship games are also cast aside. It has become so bad at this stage that , for the most part, only eye catching performers in the semifinals and final need apply. An extraordinary development.
The farcical nature of these selections was underlined recently when Shane Walsh was voted the outstanding performer for the month of July . That month catered for the latter stages of the championship. Better than, for instance , David Clifford in those games. Even allowing for my bias I don’t think you could come to that conclusion.
As far as I know that July selection was made by a cohort of players and I think that the player of the year will also be made by a similar cohort of players. If so, that July selection may be a straw in the wind in the context of the player of the year. Now, Kerry folk are convinced that David has that accolade sewn up and if the selection is made strictly on merit there is no doubt he is the man, over the course of NFL and championship, and indeed even if the selection is confined to the championship. What I am saying in a roundabout way is that Kerry followers could be in for a disappointment . It is prudent to be sceptical of committees/votes etc. If disappointment is your lot in this instance console yourselves with what we won on grass. That is what is preeminent.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2022 10:07:20 GMT
Would seanie be lucky to get one? was quiet in final and vs mayo. For that kick vs dublin, the greatest kick of a ball in croke park i've ever seen he probably deserves one. It arguable that Rian oNeills point to level things v Galway was more pressurised as if he missed his team were gone. It was a privilege to witness both this summer. The elation of Armagh fans around me was a joy to behold. I am struggling to remember a better moment following Kerry than Seanie's kick to beat Dublin. There are some games that set you free and set you up... 1975 v Cork, 1978 v Dublin, 1996 v Cork, 2004 v Mayo. Hopefully Kerry can keep the foot on Dublins neck for a while. In the long run Dublin will dominate again i think... but thats for the future. |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2022 11:10:24 GMT
Agree Mick that an a free to equalise has much more pressure than a winning free.A Cluxton or Seanie free is a freeshot really as even if you miss you re still in the game.Its a free you grow up dreaming of taking.However Seanie s free will live long in the memory as it was so far out and so so special.You cant get that feeling very often and yes Kerry 78 cork 96 Mayo 04 and even Galway this year was a release of emotion and id put down Armagh o6 into that bracket too.I was lucky to be in Thurles for Maurice s magic free but I dont think i ll ever get the joy again from a score as i got from Seanie s monster score. Maurice's free to level the 2000 semi final v Armagh was a pressure kick. About 40 yards out and in front of the posts but if he missed we were gone. Thats not easy. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 8, 2022 11:19:20 GMT
Agree Mick that an a free to equalise has much more pressure than a winning free.A Cluxton or Seanie free is a freeshot really as even if you miss you re still in the game.Its a free you grow up dreaming of taking.However Seanie s free will live long in the memory as it was so far out and so so special.You cant get that feeling very often and yes Kerry 78 cork 96 Mayo 04 and even Galway this year was a release of emotion and id put down Armagh o6 into that bracket too.I was lucky to be in Thurles for Maurice s magic free but I dont think i ll ever get the joy again from a score as i got from Seanie s monster score. Agree fully on Seanie’s point - sublime kick given the pressure, wind factor & kicking into the hill - I know it was a kick to win & might not seem as pressurised as Rian O’Neills but given our history with defeats to Dublin, the loss of a half time comfortable lead, feel that it required major bottle to nail it. The joy was unbridled given the fact that it was effectively the last kick of the game & we were winners. The only other time I felt such joy was the end of normal time in the ‘76 replayed Munster final - I was squeezed into the Blackrock end, confusion reigned about Sean Walsh’s goal & when John Moloney whistled for full time, the scoreboard showed Cork ahead by 2 - the PA announcement that the match was a draw was akin to God intervening & saving Kerry - in the real sense of the word, it was unbelievable- to go on then & win in ET was so special. What would we do without football?🤔 |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2022 11:26:49 GMT
Agree Mick that an a free to equalise has much more pressure than a winning free.A Cluxton or Seanie free is a freeshot really as even if you miss you re still in the game.Its a free you grow up dreaming of taking.However Seanie s free will live long in the memory as it was so far out and so so special.You cant get that feeling very often and yes Kerry 78 cork 96 Mayo 04 and even Galway this year was a release of emotion and id put down Armagh o6 into that bracket too.I was lucky to be in Thurles for Maurice s magic free but I dont think i ll ever get the joy again from a score as i got from Seanie s monster score. Agree fully on Seanie’s point - sublime kick given the pressure, wind factor & kicking into the hill - I know it was a kick to win & might not seem as pressurised as Rian O’Neills but given our history with defeats to Dublin, the loss of a half time comfortable lead, feel that it required major bottle to nail it. The joy was unbridled given the fact that it was effectively the last kick of the game & we were winners. The only other time I felt such joy was the end of normal time in the ‘76 replayed Munster final - I was squeezed into the Blackrock end, confusion reigned about Sean Walsh’s goal & when John Moloney whistled for full time, the scoreboard showed Cork ahead by 2 - the PA announcement that the match was a draw was akin to God intervening & saving Kerry - in the real sense of the word, it was unbelievable- to go on then & win in ET was so special. What would we do without football?🤔 That replayed 1976 game was similar in many ways to the 2014 replay v Mayo. A crazy chaotic day with the winner taking it all. Its funny what sticks in the memory. The Olympics were on and Sean Drea was in the rowing final and there were high hopes of him winning. As we were in the crush leaving the game the announcer announced that he had come 4th. "Well fook him anyway" was the reaction from a portly man behind me who probably never sat in a rowing boat in his life. He was wearing a Cork hat and the day just got worse. |
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Post by peanuts on Sept 8, 2022 11:55:44 GMT
The All-Star jamboree has come around again. I never get too worked up about them particularly, since of late , performances in the NFL tend to be ignored, That is mind boggling because it has become a great competition with teams of equal merit playing each other. Indeed, not alone is the NFL ignored but a slew of early championship games are also cast aside. It has become so bad at this stage that , for the most part, only eye catching performers in the semifinals and final need apply. An extraordinary development. The farcical nature of these selections was underlined recently when Shane Walsh was voted the outstanding performer for the month of July . That month catered for the latter stages of the championship. Better than, for instance , David Clifford in those games. Even allowing for my bias I don’t think you could come to that conclusion. As far as I know that July selection was made by a cohort of players and I think that the player of the year will also be made by a similar cohort of players. If so, that July selection may be a straw in the wind in the context of the player of the year. Now, Kerry folk are convinced that David has that accolade sewn up and if the selection is made strictly on merit there is no doubt he is the man, over the course of NFL and championship, and indeed even if the selection is confined to the championship. What I am saying in a roundabout way is that Kerry followers could be in for a disappointment . It is prudent to be sceptical of committees/votes etc. If disappointment is your lot in this instance console yourselves with what we won on grass. That is what is preeminent. I think the reason Shane Walsh got player of the month for July was because David got MotM in the final. If the game was a draw there's a very good chance that Walsh would have gotten it. You could make a very good argument for both in fairness. In terms of Player of the Year there is no doubt in my mind but that David Clifford will get it. I would be beyond shocked if he didn't. |
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Post by john4 on Sept 8, 2022 17:20:27 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 8, 2022 18:22:28 GMT
I doubt they have any say tbh. |
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Post by john4 on Sept 8, 2022 18:55:01 GMT
I doubt they have any say tbh. Sorry, but I've seen so many backrubs like this in my life to believe that this is anything different. No request was made of course by PwC, but we all know that there's an expectation, in the private sector in particular, that certain things should just be done. |
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 8, 2022 21:25:37 GMT
I agree John4....been around a few blocks myself.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 8, 2022 21:38:08 GMT
I am one of the least cynical people around... but I guess I have to admit I see no football reason for his inclusion.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 8, 2022 21:46:16 GMT
I am one of the least cynical people around... but I guess I have to admit I see no football reason for his inclusion. I don’t think his employer has anything to do with it but I don’t think his performances have anything go do with it either. It’s an easy nomination to make- high profile player for the biggest county population wise- however we all know that it’s nonsense. Similar to the stuff about McCarthy getting an all star based on 1 good second half against Kerry, it’s just hype and bluster |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 9, 2022 1:29:54 GMT
So Con got a job with PwC because he was a star dual code GAA player and not because he could count - now he gets a GAA All Star because he is an accountant and not because he scored most - jazus 'tis a bloody Nobel Prize he should be getting.
Ballyfireside Quote of the day from our old pal AlbertE - Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts - 'tis all a Con job, sure they even named the firm after him, PwC ... Poor wee Con!
Seriously, an All Star award is nice but it isn't a big deal - still I suppose it has to be on merit, it has to add up, get Con to audit the process so now everyone is happy!
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Post by blacksheep21 on Sept 9, 2022 3:44:08 GMT
Obviously it's a disgrace! The top scorer from play in the championship is nominated for an all star. It's an outrage. He scored more than than David clifford Shane Walsh Shane Mcguigan from play but its a scam. No problem with Stephen Sherlock or Eoin Cleary but why oh why did they nominate a man the scored more from play than everyone else. The all stars should be disbanded I think. I'm beginning to realise why so many hate us in Kerry. It's sad but maybe it's true we are so blind. Connolly a tramp Galvin an angel. Clifford deserves nomination 2020 Con does nt in 2022 despite being top scorer. I now know why I spent years fighting for Kerry honour. Wasting my time. Alot of Kerry people are blind sad to say I have no issue with O Callaghan getting a nomination but get off your high horse. Fighting for Kerry’s honour? It is just a game. Every county has one eyed fans. Go back to criticising Clifford |
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Post by homerj on Sept 9, 2022 9:40:36 GMT
was o callaghan really the top scorer from play this year? he scored 2-12 from play, does that make him top scorer?
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