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Post by greengold35 on Sept 7, 2022 10:03:52 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. Agree totally - only conclusion I can come to is that Dessie Cahill is on the nominating panel!! |
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 7, 2022 10:07:20 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. All it does is prove that the All Stars are a subjective semi popularity contest by journalists - they have minimal objectivity and very little if any accountability on how they are chosen. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 7, 2022 10:19:03 GMT
Galway's Walsh had an average/under performing year but an excellant final which may get him an all star, thr flip is Tom Sull had a well above and consistant championship but a below par final will cost him, similar to Comer.
Who is nominated for young footballer?
And what is the criteria?
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2022 10:25:25 GMT
I'd be pretty confident the journos didn't want to split the Clifford vote between two Kerry players which is why they nominated two from Galway. The procedure for deciding the POTY was changed in the last few years so as to avoid any risk of vote splitting if two players from one county versus one player from another county were nominated. Proof in the article below by John Fogarty. www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40713338.html |
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Post by brucewayne on Sept 7, 2022 10:31:09 GMT
To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. What about his club year? Oh no wait he was kept scoreless at the weekend. Maybe he missed out on an all star nomination in that parallel universe where he wasn't injured and Dublin definitely won the semi final so he got the nomination here? |
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2022 10:32:57 GMT
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 10:36:22 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. |
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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2022 11:00:26 GMT
I'd be pretty confident the journos didn't want to split the Clifford vote between two Kerry players which is why they nominated two from Galway. The procedure for deciding the POTY was changed in the last few years so as to avoid any risk of vote splitting if two players from one county versus one player from another county were nominated. Proof in the article below by John Fogarty. www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40713338.htmlThanks for the info. |
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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2022 11:02:02 GMT
To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. Con got 1-6 against Wexford and one point against Meath. He's nominated on the basis of a good performance against the team sixth in D4 and a good performance against Kildare. James McCarthy for Footballer of the Year on the basis of the game against Kerry would have more merit. |
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 11:04:44 GMT
In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. Con got 1-6 against Wexford and one point against Meath. He's nominated on the basis of a good performance against the team sixth in D4 and a good performance against Kildare. James McCarthy for Footballer of the Year on the basis of the game against Kerry would have more merit. Had a quick look on ResevoirDubs for the craic. Even the Dubs are laughing at this one. |
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2022 11:07:47 GMT
To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. In fairness Con Ó Callaghan scored 1-5 and 1-6 v Wexford and Meath and all from play bar one mark. I have no problem with his nomination but he should nt get all star. The only Dublin forward that will get an all star is Kilkenny. Mccarthy and Gannon have a chance at the back but not guareteed. Imo only Foley and Morley gaurenteed backs for us with White and Tom Sullivan having a chance. Shane Ryan has a great chance and should get it with David upfront with Seanie and possibly Paudie. Yeah it's not that surprising he got a nomination. Looks to me like they were struggling a fair bit to fill out the final few in the forwards category this year. There's a couple more nominations in the forwards who haven't a hope in hell of actually winning. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 12:20:24 GMT
For sure there are a few forwards nominated that have nt a hope in hell of getting an allstar and in the backs I thought Galways Kieran Molloy unlucky not to get a nomination.My pick is 1. Shane Ryan.2. C.McKaigue. 3.J.Foley.4. L.Gannon. 5.J.Daly, 6.T.Morley, 7.G.White. 8.C.Glass, 9.C.McDaid,10.P.Clifford, 11.S. O Shea 12. C.Kilkenny 13.D.Clifford 14.R.O Neill 15. S. Walsh.Unlucky for me was McKinless Silke Tom Sullivan and James Mccarthy at the back and Raffery in goals.Upfront Comer MCGuigan and Stefan Campbell in particular very unlucky.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2022 12:55:55 GMT
Killian Spillane more worthy than Con for an All Star?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 7, 2022 13:06:27 GMT
For sure there are a few forwards nominated that have nt a hope in hell of getting an allstar and in the backs I thought Galways Kieran Molloy unlucky not to get a nomination.My pick is 1. Shane Ryan.2. C.McKaigue. 3.J.Foley.4. L.Gannon. 5.J.Daly, 6.T.Morley, 7.G.White. 8.C.Glass, 9.C.McDaid,10.P.Clifford, 11.S. O Shea 12. C.Kilkenny 13.D.Clifford 14.R.O Neill 15. S. Walsh.Unlucky for me was McKinless Silke Tom Sullivan and James Mccarthy at the back and Raffery in goals.Upfront Comer MCGuigan and Stefan Campbell in particular very unlucky. I nearly agree with your selection but for me its a complete nonsense if Graham oSullivan doesnt get one. Apart from doing the primary job of defending well, he was one of the most creative attacking players in the country in 2022. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 16:19:08 GMT
For sure there are a few forwards nominated that have nt a hope in hell of getting an allstar and in the backs I thought Galways Kieran Molloy unlucky not to get a nomination.My pick is 1. Shane Ryan.2. C.McKaigue. 3.J.Foley.4. L.Gannon. 5.J.Daly, 6.T.Morley, 7.G.White. 8.C.Glass, 9.C.McDaid,10.P.Clifford, 11.S. O Shea 12. C.Kilkenny 13.D.Clifford 14.R.O Neill 15. S. Walsh.Unlucky for me was McKinless Silke Tom Sullivan and James Mccarthy at the back and Raffery in goals.Upfront Comer MCGuigan and Stefan Campbell in particular very unlucky. I nearly agree with your selection but for me its a complete nonsense if Graham oSullivan doesnt get one. Apart from doing the primary job of defending well, he was one of the most creative attacking players in the country in 2022. True Graham was outstanding and got better game by game. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 7, 2022 17:48:03 GMT
Killian Spillane more worthy than Con for an All Star? There’s lads from Clare who played well against Roscommon would be more in line than Con. It’s laughable that he got a nomination and it people reference his scores against division 4 Wexford then I would argue that my esteemed west Kerry colleague is correct in saying that killian Spillane deserves a nomination as he tore it up against a better team in a Munster final and had a big influence on the final |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 19:25:03 GMT
Con ó Callaghan won't get an all star and he does nt deserve one either. However he was better than a good few nominated. Con played 3 championship games and two of those were against division one opposition. He was brilliant v Meath. It might surprise some to know that Con was top scorer in the championship from play eventhough he only played 3 games
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 20:12:56 GMT
Con ó Callaghan won't get an all star and he does nt deserve one either. However he was better than a good few nominated. Con played 3 championship games and two of those were against division one opposition. He was brilliant v Meath. It might surprise some to know that Con was top scorer in the championship from play eventhough he only played 3 games Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? |
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Post by ballybunion on Sept 7, 2022 20:35:32 GMT
Callaghan getting a nomination is more than laughable, Its downright degrading to the many fine forwards that played throughout league and championship. He played a few weeks of the 52 against a relegated Kildare and Wexford and Meath !!!
No world beaters there. I would give Kilkenny an All Star but O Callaghan- no way
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 7, 2022 20:48:01 GMT
Con ó Callaghan won't get an all star and he does nt deserve one either. However he was better than a good few nominated. Con played 3 championship games and two of those were against division one opposition. He was brilliant v Meath. It might surprise some to know that Con was top scorer in the championship from play eventhough he only played 3 games Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? He only played in the Leinster championship, which is a farce at the moment, so it’s hilarious that he’s been nominated on the back of a few games there. He didn’t play in the league either and this nomination just makes no sense from a performance perspective |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 21:00:49 GMT
Con ó Callaghan won't get an all star and he does nt deserve one either. However he was better than a good few nominated. Con played 3 championship games and two of those were against division one opposition. He was brilliant v Meath. It might surprise some to know that Con was top scorer in the championship from play eventhough he only played 3 games Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? |
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 21:15:12 GMT
Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? Not quite the same thing, with respect. Clifford played in the league (which Kerry won) that year. And due to the knockout format, most teams only got one championship game that year so obviously the league should have carried more weight. Having said that, no one was complaining when he didn't get the gong. |
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 7, 2022 21:19:33 GMT
Kildare were the only Div 1 team he faced and even they had already been relegated by then. Other than that, a pitiful Div 2 Meath and an abject Div 4 Wexford. And when you consider that he didn't play a single minute of the league, well it's just laughable imo. Fair play for sticking to your guns Mick but you're defending the indefensible here. Lets face it, would anyone else have got a sniff of a nomination off Con's record this season? Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? It's based.on the years performance which includes the league. Con didn't play any league games this year. How many games did James Mc Carthy play this year? |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 21:39:55 GMT
Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? Not quite the same thing, with respect. Clifford played in the league (which Kerry won) that year. And due to the knockout format, most teams only got one championship game that year so obviously the league should have carried more weight. Having said that, no one was complaining when he didn't get the gong. I agree the league should carry more weight but it does nt and the all stars are based mainly on championship form. Now in fairness Con Ó Callaghan is top scorer in the championship from play in 2022.I would think that might be the reason for his nomination and tbf to him he only played 3 games. I don't see a problem with his nomination because of those facts but I do agree he does nt deserve an all star. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 21:42:14 GMT
Well do you not remember our own David Clifford getting a nomination in 2020 after one game which we lost against a non division one team. A game in which he missed two simple. I remember and while lads I worked with thought it was crazy I stated don't worry he won't get it. Same with Con although maybe he was nominated as his scoring from play was excellent. Did you think David deserved his nomination in 2020? It's based.on the years performance which includes the league. Con didn't play any league games this year. How many games did James Mc Carthy play this year? James played a bit more and I also think he deserves a nomination. However I don't think he should get an all star this year but he has a better chance than Con. Only Dublin certainty for me is Kilkenny and Gannon has a good chance. |
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Post by mossie on Sept 7, 2022 22:24:05 GMT
Is it mad to suggest Tom Sullivan was better than Graham O'Sullivan in 2022?! Tom was on many all star selections before the final and Shane Walsh cut loose
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 7, 2022 22:35:56 GMT
Are selectors looking at league form at all. Mayo were the second best team in the league and get one nomination. Ryan Ó Donoghue was excellent during the league and no nomination.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2022 7:53:32 GMT
Is it mad to suggest Tom Sullivan was better than Graham O'Sullivan in 2022?! Tom was on many all star selections before the final and Shane Walsh cut loose A Kerry fullback line wouldnt be mad atall. Graham was very good v Mayo, Dublin and Galway so i dont know what more he could do. |
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Post by ryle1973 on Sept 8, 2022 8:46:11 GMT
An all kerry fulback would be nice! Jason & Tom are most deserving in my view. Both have the toughest jobs on the field each game picking up the most dangerous forwards every single game.
Graham struggled against paddy small in the semi before Tom went on him and quieted him. Kevin McLaughlin got joy off him too against mayo but what a final he had. Unlucky not to get man of the match.
Jason has marked Rian O'Neill, Cathal McShane, Dean Rock, paddy mcbrearty. Comer didn't get a kick in the final. How wasn't he nominated for POTY?
Tom has marked and beating Cillian O'Connor, Cormac costello, Ryan McHugh, Rory Grugan, Darragh canavan, Conor Mcmanus. Done a good job on Ryan O'D in league final after struggling in tralee.
Along with kicking 7/8 points in championship along with a numerous assists.
Have both guys played all games throughout the year does anybody know?
Would seanie be lucky to get one? was quiet in final and vs mayo. For that kick vs dublin, the greatest kick of a ball in croke park i've ever seen he probably deserves one.
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 8, 2022 8:50:03 GMT
Is it mad to suggest Tom Sullivan was better than Graham O'Sullivan in 2022?! Tom was on many all star selections before the final and Shane Walsh cut loose A Kerry fullback line wouldnt be mad atall. Graham was very good v Mayo, Dublin and Galway so i dont know what more he could do. The more I think about it Graham should probably get an all star alright but he might just lose out because of the system.My view is unless the All Ireland champs hammer teams like Limerick hurlers they probably wont get more than 5 or 6 all stars and the likely hood is new provincial champions like Derry will get at least one all star.Imo Stefan Campbell was one of the best forwards ive seen this year but he more than likely wont get an all star as Armagh did nt win a provincial or get to a semi.Graham O Sullivan might lose out to accommodate a Derry back.I do agree the league should be taken into account more as its now a bigger competition than the provincials (maybe bar Ulster) .Ironically years ago league winners would get a couple of all stars although the league was a lesser competition then.From a Kerry point of view we have a few certainties Foley Morley and David Clifford and a few probable like Paudie and Seanie O shea and then hopefuls like Gavin White Graham O Sullivan Tom Sullivan and O Beaglaoigh.I think we will do very well to get two on the fb line but no reason why Graham could nt get a half back slot. |
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