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Post by keane on Jul 27, 2022 11:15:14 GMT
Not sure Tom Sullivan had as good a year as last year. He had a few ropey outings in the league and my recollection was that he got his fill against Cork as well. Had a decent game against Dublin but had a bit of trouble with Paddy Small when he came in and obviously we know how the final went. Great performance against Mayo ok.
IDK if everyone is being judged based on performances as well as reputation here. I would have Foley, Morley and Graham as our most consistently excellent backs. Graham's final performance is as good an individual display as any put in by a back this year. Foley not far behind. Beaglaoich and White have claims as strong as Tom.
All the backs had years they can be proud of anyway.
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Post by homerj on Jul 27, 2022 12:27:42 GMT
is Tome better suited to a #5 or 6 role eventually i wonder?
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 27, 2022 12:40:31 GMT
is Tome better suited to a #5 or 6 role eventually i wonder? I think Graham O'Sullivan had 5 assists. He kept Finnerty scoreless but Finnerty actually got on a lot of ball |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 2, 2022 12:42:33 GMT
I wrote above that I have made the argument for Tadhg Morley to be POTY but I have not actually made such an argument.
Morley was a minor in 2010 and 2011 so one of the older heads on this team, making his championship debut back in 2016. I think he played for the Kerry Juniors before that. Kerry conceded four goals against Dublin in the league in 2021 with Morley at full back. He was full back against Cork in 2020 and Dublin in 2019. Jason Foley comes in at full back and Morley loses his place. Morley falls out of favour, and doesn't get on the pitch vs Tyrone 2021 until extra time.
Kerry concede three goals in that match but with Morley at the middle of the 'D' in 2022 they concede three goals over four competitions. No one player has made more of a difference between 2021 and 2022.
Jack O'Connor has spoken during the week of Morley's importance to Kerry 2022. That he saw Morley sweep against the Rockies and that it struck him that Morley could "sweep for Kerry". Jack describes meeting players early in the year for coffees, and when trying to determine the group dynamic, one name came up again, and again, and again: Morley. This was going to be an important player in 2022, a player who would play sweeper (or centre back?), and would be an important leader for a team that must have had doubts around what they have done so far. I get the sense that Morley is Jack's on field lieutenant. He also represents to some degree Paddy Tally's influence on this side. He started every league and championship game this year. Early 2022 and Morley is the leader of a very well functioning defensive unit.
Seanie O'Shea has hailed that Kerry have enjoyed being resilience, have enjoyed showing grit. Who has done more on the pitch to herald this new defensive mindset than Morley? Who has shown resilience to come back from being out of favour in 2021? Who was exposed as a full back in early 2021?
Morley is a leader for Templenoe too and a person I know young people from there look up to. And I think he is a primary school teacher now in Kenmare and presumably a role model for the whole area. He was the first championship starter from there since the Spillanes. Incredibly Templenoe are now a senior club in Kerry.
This is a team player. If he has scored more than three points in Championship for Kerry I would be surprised.
What has been the difference between 2021 and 2022? David Clifford was as massive against Tyrone in 2021 as he was in big big games this year. Should David Clifford have gotten POTY in 2021? Why not last year if this year? I argue that the biggest player for Kerry this year is Morley, him at number six is the biggest difference between 2021 and 2022, and for that reason he is my shout for POTY.
A proper pitch for Morley for POTY must explain why David Clifford should not get POTY. I say fair enough but you tell me why Morley should not get player of the year.
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Post by homerj on Aug 2, 2022 15:13:27 GMT
if right was right, Jason Foley would be POTY.
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Post by keane on Aug 3, 2022 9:49:45 GMT
I would say he had one ropey outing in Tralee before the final against O'Donoghue but handled him quite well in the leauge final. Graham was on paddy small and was getting a real tough time then got taking off for Paul Murphy, Tom actually nullified him for the last ten minutes when he went on him. The Football pod this week is worth a listen. They picked there all star team. They all agreed that tom should be in the team. JOD made the point that Tom gets the most in-form forward every single game and more often then not handles him. Defiantly deserves his spot in my opinion too. Jason should be in the running for POTY. He must have played every league + champ game, so consistent in every game. Great to see him playing so well this year after all the criticism he received over the last few years. A class act! I would say the most in form forward going into the final was clearly Comer but in any case all the backs had excellent years and I think you could make a strong argument for any of them being All Stars. I think Morley and Foley were our outstanding pair. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2022 8:54:46 GMT
When are the All Stars anyway does anyone know?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 5, 2022 10:14:39 GMT
if right was right, Jason Foley would be POTY. Scoring is nicer to watch that defending and it is impossible to prove that say in this case Jason was 100% the cause of Comer's quiet day at the office. Of course us on here believe he was for sure but neutral judges are different. What are the stats on the number of defenders vs forwards that get POTY? I did try but got waylaid with the All Stars Hall of Fame on wikipedia - now a neighbour has called in looking for a man for a day in the bog and so that's the end of my keyboarding for today. |
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Post by homerj on Aug 5, 2022 10:41:52 GMT
a bit strange to read an article yesterday quoting Darran O Sullivan "there was talk that Foley wouldnt have the pace to match Comer"
the fastest man in the team apart from White!
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Post by keane on Aug 5, 2022 11:23:23 GMT
a bit strange to read an article yesterday quoting Darran O Sullivan "there was talk that Foley wouldnt have the pace to match Comer" the fastest man in the team apart from White! 'Talk' does a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to Kerry analysis. I didn't hear anyone say any such thing. I'd actually be amazed if anyone who reads this post replies and tells me they heard someone saying Comer would be too fast for Foley. |
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Post by homerj on Aug 5, 2022 12:06:58 GMT
a bit strange to read an article yesterday quoting Darran O Sullivan "there was talk that Foley wouldnt have the pace to match Comer" the fastest man in the team apart from White! 'Talk' does a lot of heavy lifting when it comes to Kerry analysis. I didn't hear anyone say any such thing. I'd actually be amazed if anyone who reads this post replies and tells me they heard someone saying Comer would be too fast for Foley. Yep. Would love to see who actually was doing this so called analysis. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 5, 2022 12:17:59 GMT
a bit strange to read an article yesterday quoting Darran O Sullivan "there was talk that Foley wouldnt have the pace to match Comer" the fastest man in the team apart from White! Is that official? |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2022 16:55:56 GMT
a bit strange to read an article yesterday quoting Darran O Sullivan "there was talk that Foley wouldnt have the pace to match Comer" the fastest man in the team apart from White! I’ve listened to Darren’s podcast a few times this year, the analysis and punditry is poor, at best |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2022 17:00:15 GMT
I thought that Foley may not have the power, which was fair enough as I still think that comer is more powerful than him.
However power only really matters if the forward is turned and running ar you and has a bit of time to build up a stride.
Foley just made sure that this never happened and he defended superbly - never letting comer turn, defending him from the front so that the hopping ball into the chest was never an option, etc.
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Post by homerj on Aug 5, 2022 17:29:07 GMT
Jason had a super game on Comer in 2018 and Jason was only in his first year on the panel back then so really cant see why anybody would bring this analysis to the discussion.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2022 17:35:34 GMT
Jason had a super game on Comer in 2018 and Jason was only in his first year on the panel back then so really cant see why anybody would bring this analysis to the discussion. Well on pace, there was no discussion to be had |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 5, 2022 22:20:31 GMT
Jason had a super game on Comer in 2018 and Jason was only in his first year on the panel back then so really cant see why anybody would bring this analysis to the discussion. Well on pace, there was no discussion to be had White was rocketing in St Tiernachs in 2019 while I believe Jason is both a sprinter and a stayer, i.e. Good on 0-60 and long distance - maybe they will have a race one day to settle it. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 15, 2022 22:07:01 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2022 6:50:08 GMT
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 7, 2022 7:18:55 GMT
Very lucky imo. If you were to go by the whole championship he'd be lucky to be nominated for an All Star. But it really goes to show it's all about the latter stages. |
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 7, 2022 7:28:32 GMT
For the keeper it'll be between Ryan andRafferty. I can't see how Evan Comerford got nominated.
Kerry should have at least three in the backs. Tom Sullivan, Jason Foley and Tadhg Morley. One of Chrissy McKaigue or Rodgers from Derry should get one. Liam Silke or Kelly another and James Mccarthy will be the backs I think.
Midfield. Cillian McDaid and Conor Glass I think. How Fintan is nominated again I don't know.
Kerry should have at least Clifford and Sean O Shea in the forwards. Paudie might get one. Walsh and Comer should be there. Rian O’Neil and Kilkenny to make up the forwards.
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Post by keane on Sept 7, 2022 9:11:03 GMT
I'd be pretty confident the journos didn't want to split the Clifford vote between two Kerry players which is why they nominated two from Galway.
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 9:34:25 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS!
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Post by southward on Sept 7, 2022 9:59:32 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2022 10:03:52 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. What about his club year? Oh no wait he was kept scoreless at the weekend. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 7, 2022 10:03:52 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. Agree totally - only conclusion I can come to is that Dessie Cahill is on the nominating panel!! |
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 7, 2022 10:07:20 GMT
How on earth has Con O'Callaghan got a nomination? Did he kick a ball at all this year? FFS! To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. All it does is prove that the All Stars are a subjective semi popularity contest by journalists - they have minimal objectivity and very little if any accountability on how they are chosen. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 7, 2022 10:19:03 GMT
Galway's Walsh had an average/under performing year but an excellant final which may get him an all star, thr flip is Tom Sull had a well above and consistant championship but a below par final will cost him, similar to Comer.
Who is nominated for young footballer?
And what is the criteria?
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2022 10:25:25 GMT
I'd be pretty confident the journos didn't want to split the Clifford vote between two Kerry players which is why they nominated two from Galway. The procedure for deciding the POTY was changed in the last few years so as to avoid any risk of vote splitting if two players from one county versus one player from another county were nominated. Proof in the article below by John Fogarty. www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40713338.html |
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Post by brucewayne on Sept 7, 2022 10:31:09 GMT
To answer my own question, he played in the Leinster championship v Wexford, Meath & Kildare. That was it. Didn't feature in the AI Q/F or S/F or in any of the league games. Obviously Con is a top player but that's tearing the arse out of being picked on reputation. I actually had to re-read the list to make sure I hadn't imagined it. What about his club year? Oh no wait he was kept scoreless at the weekend. Maybe he missed out on an all star nomination in that parallel universe where he wasn't injured and Dublin definitely won the semi final so he got the nomination here? |
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