NFL Rd 7, Kerry v Tyrone, Killarney, March 27th @1.45 pm

[greengold35]

Mar 28, 2022 8:20:01 GMT southward said:

A lot of people pinning our hopes on Moran to sort out midfield for the championship. But do we know if he's even going to be available, much less up to IC fitness? He hasn't played all year and the whole thing is going to be over in four months. Is he even training at the moment?

David completed his rehab about 6 weeks ago & was back running - he had a relapse which required another 4 weeks recuperation & has been doing light training since - he should be ready for 7th May but not for 70 mins.

[kot]

The 2 games that bookended the league & the game against Mayo in particular have me worried. The aforementioned goalkeeping and midfield issues but the slow, ponderous and naive build up play being clearly indoctrinated by the management. It is this reason that I still think we will come up short

Caught out against Kildare, nearly caught against Mayo and undone yesterday. If we are going to go short then move it quickly. The amount of times I saw fellas steaming through the middle but the man on the ball in the half back / midfield area went backward or sideways or sauntered out to the sideline with it. Inviting pressure, going nowhere and allowing the opposition to get back and lay traps.

Surely, if you have inside forward of the calibre we have, our best bet is to move the ball as fast as possible up to them. Not p!55ing about going around & over & back to ultimately waste possession.

I know yesterday was essentially a dead rubber, but Kildare wasnt when we basically did the same thing and were aimless. A well set up / well drilled team will cause us problems and when they do, we get desperate and struggle to get our match winners on the ball in the right areas.

[misteallaigh abú]

Well done to Tyrone yesterday. Yet again, they out played, outbattled and out thought us. Again, we knew what they would bring and couldn’t match it or better it. They are a very good team and don’t get much in the way of kudos for their performances. Quite simply yesterday they were the better team all through, much the same as last year’s semi final. The game was played on their terms and they fought like tigers to retain their division 1 status, which they deservedly did.
Much has been said of our continuing deficiencies around the middle of the park and the inconsistency in the goals. We are probably no further down the line in terms of remedying those deficiencies. It’s no harm to get a reality check from a class team to remind us that we are far from the finished article.
Next weekend will be another great test of our resolve and it will be another opportunity to work on ironing out the very obvious kinks in our system.
However, we have built on our defence, only 1 goal conceded this season. We have the material up front if we can get the method right to provide them with the possession and space to do what they are capable of doing. It is great to see Tony Brosnan continue to progress.
We have work to do, but then what team doesn’t. This will be the most open championship for years and won’t be easily won but I would still have us up there in the top three as contenders. Looking forward to next weekend. Roll on!

[john4]

Tyrone are currently 8/1 to win the All Ireland, in from 9/1 before yesterday and behind Kerry, Dublin and Mayo. Why don't the bookies like them. Anytime a battle has come their way they've stood up!

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

Mar 28, 2022 10:29:32 GMT The16thMan said:

Lads I must get something off my chest that I noticed yesterday and it's not my 1st time experiencing unfortunately.

I was in the terrace under the commentary box yesterday and some of the Kerrys fans reactions were simply embarrassing. On my left, during the 1st half, I saw one Kerry supporter refer to Kieran McGeerey as a Northern C**t and the chap wasn't aware he was standing right next to Tyrone supporters and he was rightly pulled up on it.
2nd incident was after the full time whistle, a different guy to my right was having a go at the Tyrone supporters in front of him over an incident he didn't like earlier in the game (I think it was McCurrys hit on Casey) and he was letting them know about it. When they said to him there was enough officials watching the game and it was up to them to take action he said to them, more or less, that their style of football wasn't welcome down here and they should f**k off home where they came from.

Now in all honesty guys, I know we're a passionate bunch about our football and all that but to make opposition supporters feel unwelcome and to discriminate against them is also wrong. They are only supporting their team, they have no control on how the game is played out. I can safely say that no matter what county I've travelled to, I've always been made feel welcome and we should be doing the same to others who visit our towns and put money into our economy. I know it's only a small few who do this but we should not feel like football always should be played on Kerrys terms either. If that were the case, football would become boring. Just be careful before voicing opinions at games and think before you speak.

Rant Over 🤣

That is very disappointing if it happens, which I don't doubt. I often sit next to the opposition supporters at games, and most of the time it is great to char about their county and hear about what occupies people in other counties.
I took the girlfriend to the Armagh match and it was her first time in the north. We went for dinner on Saturday night in Armagh and the server didn't even know there was a football game on. (we were in a different part of Armagh city) So we had a lovely conversation about sports in the north and I explained a bit more about Gaelic games to the lad. When we were in Belfast we had lunch at one of the GAA clubs and they weren't half as nice, referring to us as freestaters, the girlfriend had never heard the term before, and there was actually more animosity than there was in Ballycraigy.
Perhaps the GAA community should have a better look at itself as we always pride ourselves on the great atmosphere at games and how welcoming we all are to each other.
We need to make sure all members of the GAA family feel equally included.

[southward]

Lads, I have to say the forum has gone awfully negative lately in relation to Kerry. Now I'm all for a bit of caution, the odd bout of yerra even, but there's a limit. Kerry are sitting top of the league, lost one game all year (by a point), conceded one legit goal. A good innings so far by any metric. Yet all I'm hearing is that this fella's no good, tactics are wrong, this team won't win anything, our supporters are bollixes. Even Radio Kerry are getting it in the neck now.

We wouldn't want to be Cork supporters anyway. Bit of balance, folks, please.

[Jo90]

Mar 28, 2022 10:29:32 GMT The16thMan said:

Lads I must get something off my chest that I noticed yesterday and it's not my 1st time experiencing unfortunately.

I was in the terrace under the commentary box yesterday and some of the Kerrys fans reactions were simply embarrassing. On my left, during the 1st half, I saw one Kerry supporter refer to Kieran McGeerey as a Northern C**t and the chap wasn't aware he was standing right next to Tyrone supporters and he was rightly pulled up on it.
2nd incident was after the full time whistle, a different guy to my right was having a go at the Tyrone supporters in front of him over an incident he didn't like earlier in the game (I think it was McCurrys hit on Casey) and he was letting them know about it. When they said to him there was enough officials watching the game and it was up to them to take action he said to them, more or less, that their style of football wasn't welcome down here and they should f**k off home where they came from.

Now in all honesty guys, I know we're a passionate bunch about our football and all that but to make opposition supporters feel unwelcome and to discriminate against them is also wrong. They are only supporting their team, they have no control on how the game is played out. I can safely say that no matter what county I've travelled to, I've always been made feel welcome and we should be doing the same to others who visit our towns and put money into our economy. I know it's only a small few who do this but we should not feel like football always should be played on Kerrys terms either. If that were the case, football would become boring. Just be careful before voicing opinions at games and think before you speak.

Rant Over 🤣

Yeah, some very disrespectful and foul mouthed Kerry fans near me also and I notice this is often the case at home games v Tyrone. I like passion but it goes OTT with vitriol against Tyrone.
It was especially sad to see it occurring in the company of Tyrone women and their children on Mother's Day
Some of the Kerry fans were giving out about Tyrone's tactic of passing the ball around 'ruining the game' and a minute later Kerry were doing the exact same. Got a good laugh from Kerry fans and Tyrone fans alike when this was pointed out to them.

I congratulated the Tyrone fans after the final whistle and said I hoped they had a nice weekend, and we all agreed it was great to see Dublin relegated!

[Whosinmidfield]

Mar 28, 2022 11:59:58 GMT john4 said:

Tyrone are currently 8/1 to win the All Ireland, in from 9/1 before yesterday and behind Kerry, Dublin and Mayo. Why don't the bookies like them. Anytime a battle has come their way they've stood up!

I’ll be very surprised if the All Ireland winner isn’t one of the 2 teams that played in Killarney yesterday. I don’t see any other team of All Ireland winning quality in the country.

[ciarraimick]

Mar 28, 2022 10:29:32 GMT The16thMan said:

Lads I must get something off my chest that I noticed yesterday and it's not my 1st time experiencing unfortunately.

I was in the terrace under the commentary box yesterday and some of the Kerrys fans reactions were simply embarrassing. On my left, during the 1st half, I saw one Kerry supporter refer to Kieran McGeerey as a Northern C**t and the chap wasn't aware he was standing right next to Tyrone supporters and he was rightly pulled up on it.
2nd incident was after the full time whistle, a different guy to my right was having a go at the Tyrone supporters in front of him over an incident he didn't like earlier in the game (I think it was McCurrys hit on Casey) and he was letting them know about it. When they said to him there was enough officials watching the game and it was up to them to take action he said to them, more or less, that their style of football wasn't welcome down here and they should f**k off home where they came from.

Now in all honesty guys, I know we're a passionate bunch about our football and all that but to make opposition supporters feel unwelcome and to discriminate against them is also wrong. They are only supporting their team, they have no control on how the game is played out. I can safely say that no matter what county I've travelled to, I've always been made feel welcome and we should be doing the same to others who visit our towns and put money into our economy. I know it's only a small few who do this but we should not feel like football always should be played on Kerrys terms either. If that were the case, football would become boring. Just be careful before voicing opinions at games and think before you speak.

Rant Over 🤣

[ciarraimick]

Fair play to you The 16th man. My sentiments exactly. A minority of our supporters are an embarrassment and give the majority a bad name. I've been to Tyrone and got a great welcome. Sour losers. It reminds me of David Hickey comments years ago about Kerry. He said they re lovely when winning. Would they be as nice when losing. Idiots like you came across prove his point and I have no time for Hickey. Go and support your team not abuse opposition. On McGeeney. He is married to a Kerry woman (a sister of Ruari Ó Rahilly that was on Kerry panel around 97).

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

Whether we like it or not Tyrone were again the fitter team, the better team, the more intelligent team and the more physical team. Yet, we still could have won that game due to the sheer brilliance of some players. We know exactly what we are getting from Tyrone, and we keep falling for it over and over, just like most of the country, otherwise they wouldn't be the All ireland Champions.
Since the first game against Kildare just about 9 weeks ago we have been getting better and better in each game.
We have fellas coming back and we have given quite a few of the panel some game time.
Our big problem areas are still midfield and the goalkeeper. Shane Ryan is our main goalkeeper and while I don't want to say anything negative about Shane Murphy, it is more than clear that Ryan is ahead of him and we need to invest more time in Shane Ryan.
Midfield is Diarmuid O'Connor and someone else. Preferably Jack Barry currently. Possibly with Joe O'Connor and David Moran depending on the opponents.
Both Joe and David have come back from injury and might not last a full 70 minutes.
Okunbor was imperious in the Sigerson before he got injured and he could be our answer when he comes back. Like Diarmuid he has the physique and the height for a midfielder, but also all the skills a modern midfielder needs. Where some players come back worse from the AFL, but some come back way better. Like Okunbor and Conor Glass. How we could do with Mark O'Connor now.
Gavin White was quite incredible given that he just came back from injury.

I'm quietly hopeful for the future as we have quite a young team still, a good underage structure that might keep the conveyor belt rolling. Like Dublin it is not good enough to have a good team, you need young talent as well to keep strengthening the team. I think we have that.
In my honest opinion it is not so much a matter of will this team win the All Ireland, but more when.
I'm still convinced Kerry should have won the 2019 final, and it was experience that won it for Dublin.
2020 was just stupidity, I still can't get over that game against Cork.
2021 as we know it was our bogey team again. Even though we were played away we came within a point of a draw due to individual brilliance. Sounds familiar?
It doesn't look like we have learned the lessons from 2021 yet, but perhaps we have learned more from yesterday than we did last year.

Let's look forwards and focus on the final. A game we can very much win in my opinion.

[ciarraimick]

Mar 28, 2022 12:01:50 GMT southward said:

Lads, I have to say the forum has gone awfully negative lately in relation to Kerry. Now I'm all for a bit of caution, the odd bout of yerra even, but there's a limit. Kerry are sitting top of the league, lost one game all year (by a point), conceded one legit goal. A good innings so far by any metric. Yet all I'm hearing is that this fella's no good, tactics are wrong, this team won't win anything, our supporters are bollixes. Even Radio Kerry are getting it in the neck now.

We wouldn't want to be Cork supporters anyway. Bit of balance, folks, please.

[ciarraimick]

Fair enough but we won league the last two years and came up short in the championship. We need to use our forwards better.

[goonised]

Mar 28, 2022 13:18:18 GMT ciarraimick said:

Fair enough but we won league the last two years and came up short in the championship. We need to use our forwards better.

The last two leagues were a farce. The last proper league we came up short in final and came up short yesterday. Tyrone needed the win and got it.

[jackiel]

Ciarraimick , a tip for you - when you use the quote facility drill down a line or 2 and type your comments instead of just duplicating the previous post.

My tuppence worth on yesterday. Fabulous day, great crowd.
I favour Shane Ryan for the goalies position, he seems more assured and will generally catch or attempt to catch rather than punching the ball.
Great to see Stephen O Brien back in flying form. Tony Brosnan is finding his feet at last at county level and long may it continue. Gavin made his mark when he came on. There's going to be some competition for places for championship.
I would have liked to see DC get a weekend off, he's played a lot of ball so far this year. While I understand the desire to win everything it would be a lot worse to lose DC to injury and affect our chances later in the year. Moot point now as there's no way he'll be rested next weekend.
With regard to the unsportsmanlike/abusive carry on, it doesn't sit well with me to boo a free or a kickout. I recently stewarded at the colleges finals in Croke Park , the "soccer type" chanting and nastiness was distasteful to put it mildly. There are some totally OTT, can't see any wrong in our own type fans but you will always have that , the answer for me is to distance myself from that type of behaviour, same as in any other aspect of life.


On another note - Does anyone know what yesterdays attendance figure was.

[ciarraimick]

Mar 28, 2022 15:17:39 GMT jackiel said:

Ciarraimick , a tip for you - when you use the quote facility drill down a line or 2 and type your comments instead of just duplicating the previous post.

My tuppence worth on yesterday. Fabulous day, great crowd.
I favour Shane Ryan for the goalies position, he seems more assured and will generally catch or attempt to catch rather than punching the ball.
Great to see Stephen O Brien back in flying form. Tony Brosnan is finding his feet at last at county level and long may it continue. Gavin made his mark when he came on. There's going to be some competition for places for championship.
I would have liked to see DC get a weekend off, he's played a lot of ball so far this year. While I understand the desire to win everything it would be a lot worse to lose DC to injury and affect our chances later in the year. Moot point now as there's no way he'll be rested next weekend.
With regard to the unsportsmanlike/abusive carry on, it doesn't sit well with me to boo a free or a kickout. I recently stewarded at the colleges finals in Croke Park , the "soccer type" chanting and nastiness was distasteful to put it mildly. There are some totally OTT, can't see any wrong in our own type fans but you will always have that , the answer for me is to distance myself from that type of behaviour, same as in any other aspect of life.


On another note - Does anyone know what yesterdays attendance figure was.

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[ciarraimick]

Mar 28, 2022 15:51:24 GMT ciarraimick said:

Mar 28, 2022 15:17:39 GMT jackiel said:

Ciarraimick , a tip for you - when you use the quote facility drill down a line or 2 and type your comments instead of just duplicating the previous post.

My tuppence worth on yesterday. Fabulous day, great crowd.
I favour Shane Ryan for the goalies position, he seems more assured and will generally catch or attempt to catch rather than punching the ball.
Great to see Stephen O Brien back in flying form. Tony Brosnan is finding his feet at last at county level and long may it continue. Gavin made his mark when he came on. There's going to be some competition for places for championship.
I would have liked to see DC get a weekend off, he's played a lot of ball so far this year. While I understand the desire to win everything it would be a lot worse to lose DC to injury and affect our chances later in the year. Moot point now as there's no way he'll be rested next weekend.
With regard to the unsportsmanlike/abusive carry on, it doesn't sit well with me to boo a free or a kickout. I recently stewarded at the colleges finals in Croke Park , the "soccer type" chanting and nastiness was distasteful to put it mildly. There are some totally OTT, can't see any wrong in our own type fans but you will always have that , the answer for me is to distance myself from that type of behaviour, same as in any other aspect of life.


On another note - Does anyone know what yesterdays attendance figure was.

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is that the way to do it Jackal. Technology and I ain't great friends

[jackiel]

Perfect.

[thepromisedland]

Mar 28, 2022 12:54:18 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

Whether we like it or not Tyrone were again the fitter team, the better team, the more intelligent team and the more physical team. Yet, we still could have won that game due to the sheer brilliance of some players. We know exactly what we are getting from Tyrone, and we keep falling for it over and over, just like most of the country, otherwise they wouldn't be the All ireland Champions.
Since the first game against Kildare just about 9 weeks ago we have been getting better and better in each game.
We have fellas coming back and we have given quite a few of the panel some game time.
Our big problem areas are still midfield and the goalkeeper. Shane Ryan is our main goalkeeper and while I don't want to say anything negative about Shane Murphy, it is more than clear that Ryan is ahead of him and we need to invest more time in Shane Ryan.
Midfield is Diarmuid O'Connor and someone else. Preferably Jack Barry currently. Possibly with Joe O'Connor and David Moran depending on the opponents.
Both Joe and David have come back from injury and might not last a full 70 minutes.
Okunbor was imperious in the Sigerson before he got injured and he could be our answer when he comes back. Like Diarmuid he has the physique and the height for a midfielder, but also all the skills a modern midfielder needs. Where some players come back worse from the AFL, but some come back way better. Like Okunbor and Conor Glass. How we could do with Mark O'Connor now.
Gavin White was quite incredible given that he just came back from injury.

I'm quietly hopeful for the future as we have quite a young team still, a good underage structure that might keep the conveyor belt rolling. Like Dublin it is not good enough to have a good team, you need young talent as well to keep strengthening the team. I think we have that.
In my honest opinion it is not so much a matter of will this team win the All Ireland, but more when.
I'm still convinced Kerry should have won the 2019 final, and it was experience that won it for Dublin.
2020 was just stupidity, I still can't get over that game against Cork.
2021 as we know it was our bogey team again. Even though we were played away we came within a point of a draw due to individual brilliance. Sounds familiar?
It doesn't look like we have learned the lessons from 2021 yet, but perhaps we have learned more from yesterday than we did last year.

Let's look forwards and focus on the final. A game we can very much win in my opinion.

Brilliant post Seoirse. Agree with nearly all of it, I was not too impressed by Tyrone, very effective, very workmanlike, but that's it really, they only know in how to play one way, I still regard them as the weakest winner of Sam last year since Cork in 2010. A lot of people agree with that. Yesterday, Our layoff passing, interplay, transitioning, kick passing is far superior to what they have,especially for Geaney's link up to his point in the First Half, I think they know that themselves. They are way more streets smart in the dark arts, game management is the number one strategy and big thing for Tyrone.

[ciarraimick]

Mar 28, 2022 16:22:17 GMT jackiel said:

Perfect.

Thanks Jackal

[mike70]

Mar 28, 2022 12:54:18 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

Whether we like it or not Tyrone were again the fitter team, the better team, the more intelligent team and the more physical team. Yet, we still could have won that game due to the sheer brilliance of some players. We know exactly what we are getting from Tyrone, and we keep falling for it over and over, just like most of the country, otherwise they wouldn't be the All ireland Champions.
Since the first game against Kildare just about 9 weeks ago we have been getting better and better in each game.
We have fellas coming back and we have given quite a few of the panel some game time.
Our big problem areas are still midfield and the goalkeeper. Shane Ryan is our main goalkeeper and while I don't want to say anything negative about Shane Murphy, it is more than clear that Ryan is ahead of him and we need to invest more time in Shane Ryan.
Midfield is Diarmuid O'Connor and someone else. Preferably Jack Barry currently. Possibly with Joe O'Connor and David Moran depending on the opponents.
Both Joe and David have come back from injury and might not last a full 70 minutes.
Okunbor was imperious in the Sigerson before he got injured and he could be our answer when he comes back. Like Diarmuid he has the physique and the height for a midfielder, but also all the skills a modern midfielder needs. Where some players come back worse from the AFL, but some come back way better. Like Okunbor and Conor Glass. How we could do with Mark O'Connor now.
Gavin White was quite incredible given that he just came back from injury.

I'm quietly hopeful for the future as we have quite a young team still, a good underage structure that might keep the conveyor belt rolling. Like Dublin it is not good enough to have a good team, you need young talent as well to keep strengthening the team. I think we have that.
In my honest opinion it is not so much a matter of will this team win the All Ireland, but more when.
I'm still convinced Kerry should have won the 2019 final, and it was experience that won it for Dublin.
2020 was just stupidity, I still can't get over that game against Cork.
2021 as we know it was our bogey team again. Even though we were played away we came within a point of a draw due to individual brilliance. Sounds familiar?
It doesn't look like we have learned the lessons from 2021 yet, but perhaps we have learned more from yesterday than we did last year.

Let's look forwards and focus on the final. A game we can very much win in my opinion.

[br Stefan did not burn a ball during sigerson ,he was anonymous in fairness, I watched the games that were streamed, not sure where your analysis is coming from, Stefan has a long way to go, we might see him during next year league, once he gets some games into him, he will be an asset but not this year.

[Mickmack]

I agree with ballyfireside that odds on Tyrone to win the All Ireland at 9 to 1 are crazy. Kerry are 6 to 4.

Tyrone must have scored 6 points from the sort of intricate hand passing movement to stretch the defence. Maybe more than 6 even. Dylan Casey was really on a hiding to nothing as inch perfect passes were put into McCurrys hands and McCurry needs little space to turn and score. Should the defender play in front of McCurry....hard to know. Did Casey set up a point for DC in the first half?


Kerry managed it a few times but Kerry are not half as likely to score against a massed defence. Some attempts ended with it being hoofed away. DC tried a toe to hand at the end against a massed defense and lost possession.


Tyrone always seem capable of conjuring a goal when needed. Maybe Paddy Power is basing his odds on Tyrones historical poor attempt at retaining it.


Tyrone dont give away many needless scorable frees either. In the first half PG and DC went back into defence and both tried to tackle but just put out a straight arm to give away scorable frees. DC even got a yellow. I think it was Adrian that did something similar late on.


Typical Tyrone. Putrid against Dublin then win the last two games when needed.

If they put their minds to it they can retain the All Ireland i feel.

[kerryexile]

Away too much is being made of the result last Sunday. The main thing that is being overlooked is that, for the sake of experience, Kerry left a young player learning his trade one the best forwards in the game. In a game that Kerry could not afford to lose that would have been dealt with early on. A different game would have evolved.

The bookies know absolutely nothing about football, they are merely reacting to public opinion as manifested by bets put on.

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

I decided to rewatch the 2005 final because it was still on the recorder and came away with the feeling that Tyrone are Tyrone.
It's now 20 years that they play the way they play, whether we like it or not, and it has been successful for the county team, the clubs and so on.
Even more so when they have their backs to the wall, they just love it. The more people write them off, the more people hate them, the better they get.
We all know the old mantra about stupidity and repeating the same things over and and over respecting a different result. Tyrone are obviously of a different mindset and they are expecting the same result over and over. And to be honest they are getting those results.
When they are in that mindset they can go 7 points down and the opposition are still panicking, because Tyrone aren't.
How many games were they were played away and written off, only to come back and get a win or a draw.
Even last year in Killarney where they still seemed to believe they could somehow win with 5 minutes to go.
I would like to think that Paul Murphy or Dan O'Donoghue would have been better options for McCurry, if they had been fit, but McCurry is in the form of his life.
Like David Clifford, you can put 4 men on him and he will still get you 4, 5 points. So, the obvious choice is to make sure there is no ball going into him.
Tyrone made sure the Kerry forwards were living of scraps, and they still did well, and thus could just play away they want to play.
Where Kerry seems to fail over and over and over is that we get sucked into that. You want to play physical? You want to play it hard? Fine, we'll reply.
Yet, we don't have that kind of team, we don't have the same mindset.
Wow also don't have a Niall Morgan who is arguably now the best goalkeeper in Ireland, next to Rory Beggan, if not a wee bit better.
Compared with a very confident midfield, and loading that midfield with players, Tyrone had a platform to win most of their kickouts, if not all, and most of the breaking ball on Kerry's kickouts.

So, what's the lesson we learned from 2003, 2005, 2008, 2021? I don't think we learned it yet. The lesson should be not to come up with a plan to stop Tyrone, but to have a plan of our own and stick to that.

[dc84]

Mar 30, 2022 8:40:55 GMT kerryexile said:

Away too much is being made of the result last Sunday. The main thing that is being overlooked is that, for the sake of experience, Kerry left a young player learning his trade one the best forwards in the game. In a game that Kerry could not afford to lose that would have been dealt with early on. A different game would have evolved.

The bookies know absolutely nothing about football, they are merely reacting to public opinion as manifested by bets put on.

Totally agree Tom sull wouldve been on mccurry if it was a match we needed to win. I also love this narrative re everytime Tyrone beat us it's like kerry can't beat Tyrone etc as if 2012,2015 and 2019 never happened not to mind all the league games we have beaten them in that was there first win in kerry since 2003! Coupled with them being jacks bogey team one win one loss! The laziness of reporting I find funny

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Mar 30, 2022 9:45:51 GMT dc84 said:

Mar 30, 2022 8:40:55 GMT kerryexile said:

Away too much is being made of the result last Sunday. The main thing that is being overlooked is that, for the sake of experience, Kerry left a young player learning his trade one the best forwards in the game. In a game that Kerry could not afford to lose that would have been dealt with early on. A different game would have evolved.

The bookies know absolutely nothing about football, they are merely reacting to public opinion as manifested by bets put on.

Totally agree Tom sull wouldve been on mccurry if it was a match we needed to win. I also love this narrative re everytime Tyrone beat us it's like kerry can't beat Tyrone etc as if 2012,2015 and 2019 never happened not to mind all the league games we have beaten them in that was there first win in kerry since 2003! Coupled with them being jacks bogey team one win one loss! The laziness of reporting I find funny

Ya they love to build up these rivalrys, like the new thing now is we haven't beaten Mayo in Croke Park since 2011, I didn't know that and I don't know any 1 else who knew this but the media are running with it big time, instead of saying in the Last 11 years we have beaten Mayo 3 times in the championship and Mayo have beaten us 1 time and we had 2 draws.

[taggert]

Some very good posts here on both sides of the coin.
I think Tyrone are a really really effective side and as Mickmack said, have this knack of being able to plunder a goal when the need is greatest. Thrice they did against us in Croker. They are just so comfortable in how they play and rarely need to change their tactics. They thrive in tight games and it doesn't matter a jot to them if they dont score for large swathes of games, if it is 3 points each at HT, as long as they are in a space to win any game with 5 minutes to go. Much of this of course is learned behaviour from tight, uncompromising and unyielding Ulster Championship clashes. I used the word effective above as they are not entirely my cup of tea in terms of how the game should be played but I respect them as one of the top teams in the country right now because they are/will be so hard to beat.

I think Seoirse is on to something talking about not having a plan to stop Tyrone but having our own plan that we stick to. Much of Tyrone's effectiveness is predicated on sticking to their own system and apologies for the JG mantra but trusting the process. Its clear that rocking up on a given day with a new or untested system against Tyrone would almost definitely result in a loss. Here's hoping Kerry have a system/process for later in the summer that they are comfortable with but more importantly brings Tyrone et al out of their respective comfort zones and game plans.

Perhaps Sunday was about Kerry giving little or nothing away should we meet again soon, much like Tyrone did in last years league encounter. I think this is true to a degree as both Kerryexile and DC84 both rightly point out regarding the chastening experience of Dylan Casey. I think bringing certainty to our goalkeeper and midfield berths come championship will go some way towards having our own game plan about how we go about our business. Another tight game on Sunday - like the bread and butter of an Ulster championship encounter would do us no harm at all.

We need to be like Tyrone come championship - more than the sum of our parts.....

[ciarraimick]

Some great posts there. Of course every statistic can be used to suit. Yes we have nt beaten Mayo in croker since 11 but we have a better championship record than them in clashes as Kingdomboy says. The facts are that with Tyrone although they have some lovely classy forwards like McCurry Canavan etcit is the backs that usually do the damage. Last year their backs were our problem. Seanie Ó Shea and Paudie played very deep which drew their backs into svori g positions. I could be wrong but I think if we playing Tyrone again later on the likes of Seanie Paudie should try keep the Tyrone backs on the back foot as much as possible. Of course if they go on a run follow but our forwards should try stay forward and that way keep their backs out of kicking range. Again the last day Peter Harte seemed to have a cracker

[dano]

I had a feeling that all our victories over Tyrone since 2008 would be overshadowed by last years 1 point SF win by them over us. Dylan Casey, I suspect will treat last Sunday, and respond to it in the same way,as Tyrone collectively did to last year's drubbing in killarney.

[Mickmack]

I dont Tyrone has an indian over Kerry in championship football and i dont think the reverse is true either.

In my opinion the better team won in all meetings in the championship since the modern rivalry started in 2003.