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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 27, 2022 19:01:36 GMT
The big imponderable is are we really any closer to winning an all Ireland than we were last year. Goalkeeper midfield and not enough scoring forwards are the real issues. The elephant in the room is our over dependence on David and Seanie
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 27, 2022 19:12:18 GMT
The big imponderable is are we really any closer to winning an all Ireland than we were last year. Goalkeeper midfield and not enough scoring forwards are the real issues. The elephant in the room is our over dependence on David and Seanie Tony Brosnan stood up today I thought? |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 27, 2022 19:14:50 GMT
17 point win or 1 point loss... what's the better option.. arguably the latter.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 27, 2022 19:18:25 GMT
There's a thin line between giving a new player experience/testing him out and hanging him out to draw and possibly ruining his confidence. It was unfair to leave Casey on McCurry for so long but hopefully he will learn from it. On a plus side, in the 2019 semi final Jason Foley had a torrid afternoon, albeit aided and abetted by the dodgy Tyrone water, on McShane. That day he got shown the curly finger. Today Jason continued his upward curve by destroying McShane. We are still none the wiser on who the best option for goals is. Murphy had a few poor moments today. It will probably cost us later in the year. We badly need David Moran in midfield. Coldrick is supposed to be one of the most experienced refs out there but he fell for every trick in the Tyrone book today. A rule was brought in a few years ago where play couldn't be stopped unless it was a head injury. The physio must have ran in 20 times during the game and Coldrick stopped play for most of them. Notice how a fella was down inside the D after the penalty was awarded. Coldrick officials also missed a straight ref for McCurry. Kerry ended the first half well and surely were bursting to get back out in the 2nd half. But we had to wait. And wait. And wait. And wait to hear the life story of every one of the East Kerry 1979 team. Well over 20 minutes the half time team commemoration went on. That man should never again be given a microphone. Couldn’t understand that Casey was left on McCurry for so long - should have been switched after 20 mins & it wasn’t that we didn’t have options - Tom or Graham O’Sullivan could have been moved into him. Midfield is a worry which is contributing to the problem in goals - we , at the moment, have no option of going long - not one clean fetch today from O’Connors or Jack Barry - we need David Moran badly & probably Diarmuid O’C as a wing forward option. Tyrone have brought the levels of disruption to new depths - every collision brought the doctor or physio racing on to the pitch with full approval from Coldrick - thought he had a nightmare , 2 decisions in particular - 1) A Kerry player toe poking the ball away & being penalised & 2) the decision not to award Morley a free at the death - he was penalising the pull back all day, ignored this one & gave a free out for an alleged foul hand pass. I didn’t see the off the ball from McCurry but then neither did the linesman or umpires - strange one that. Leaving Casey on Mc Curry is understandable in the context of giving the lad the chance to learn and for management to see how he would deal with his trickiest opponent to date. Casey is one that many believe is an up and coming player and learning how to cope with difficult opponents is hugely important - switch him in a championship game (or a must win game) but not today. We have plenty of examples of players getting a torrid afternoon and coming back so much stronger for it. The lad needs to head for the video room with one or two experienced heads and analyse his afternoon and be ready to put Mc Curry on his ass next time they meet. |
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Post by The16thMan on Mar 27, 2022 19:31:45 GMT
Tyrone had a full strength team out today guys. They were only missing Conor McKenna from last years final. Kerry had 6 or 7 guys today starting that wouldn't be getting into the starting team come Championship. A 1 point defeat against near full strength All Ireland champions is a good result and proves we have good squad depth. Don't start digging the graves just yet. It was a spirited performance despite the defeat. If that was a must win game it would have been very different.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 19:39:18 GMT
In a way I'm happy although I hate losing another win today would only paper over the cracks. Maybe people will see now (including Jack and selectors) you have to play to your strengths. There was no way we were going to win Sam under our league tactics so this could be a blessing in disguise. Forward scoring power has always been our biggest weapon and that's the way to go. Having 2 half forwards that don't score or a corner forward that does nt score much plays into the likes of Tyrone and indeed weaker opposition. Jack was found wanting today. Hopefully Quirke and Diarmuid are in his ear. Kildare are relegated but are playing much better since Jack left. Next Sunday we need to win and use our scoring forwards. Also no point in having David Clifford come into our own half as he can't tackle. Geaney not much better but they can score once they don't waste all their energy all over the field.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 27, 2022 19:44:22 GMT
In fairness to Jack, he may have left Dylan on McCurry for the experience. Dylan is mature enough to know he has to step up to a higher level. Afterall, he could be playing in an AIF in a matter of weeks.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 20:10:27 GMT
I would nt worry about Dylan at all.Did nt see game but McCurry is a nightmare to mark and a class player. I've seen Marc Ó Sé getting destroyed a few times and have seen Tomas and Tom Sullivan (Rathmore) getting a few roasting too and those 3 are 3 of the finest backs we gad. Even the great Séamus Moynihan got a runaround in the 02 final v Armagh. I'm more worried about midfield and forwards.
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Post by veteran on Mar 27, 2022 20:15:08 GMT
It is so much easier to report on a Kerry victory than a a Kerry loss. The extraordinary sunshine in Killarney failed to lift the mood on the way home. When the margin is just a point at the end it is tempting to say that it could have gone either way but in my view Tyrone were the better team all through. The scoring difference was only one but in terms of street wisdom Tyrone were on a different planet. They usually are against us. Some of this street wisdom is not a trait one would wish to become more prevalent but if you get away with it then the end justifies the means, I suppose.
The first surprise for me was to see Dylan Casey on Darren McCurry. In the semi final last year Tom O'Sullivan won that duel. Why the switch today? Dylan, who did some good things as well, could not cope with his opponent, clear from an early stage. To a degree, I can understand the reluctance to make the change too early in the interest of Dylan's confidence but , at the latest, it should have been made at half time. It was not made until the horse had bolted, Darren's goal. While speaking about Darren, contrast the long early balls he got for his scores in the first half and his goal in the second half with the ponderous , lateral cat farting we displayed in that opening half rather then getting it in to our potent inside line, who in spite of all this nonsense reeled off 1-2 during the early exchanges. Sweet God, you provide as much ball as possible, good , bad or indifferent , to players like Tony,David and Paul. I am weary from preaching this and there is no way I am going to reach my normal life expectancy if this methodology continues.
In that first half, we again had the spectacle of Shane Murphy punching a ball away rather than making an easy catch. He did the same against Mayo. I partially forgave him that night, because of the miserable weather and the wet ball etc. Today there was no excuse. It was an easy ball under the cross bar and nobody in his vicinity. The punched clearance went to a Tyrone player who , if I can recall clearly, kicked it wide. Shane wasn't to know that. Shortly afterwards, a high ball went into the Tyrone goalmouth and, in the middle of a cluster of players , Niall Morgan soared high and confidently fielded. Basic housekeeping. While I am referring to Shane, we were awarded a reasonably easy free on the terrace side in the second half. A short time before that we were awarded a free more or less from the same spot which Paul Geaney slotted over. Now, I do not know who decided that Shane should take this one. It was more or less in front of me and I just knew the way he shaped up it was not going to be successful. Poorly struck and wide at the near post. I get the impression Shane is of a nervous disposition, at least when he is playing for Kerry. I will lay off him now.
It was an exciting game in the second half, as indeed was the first half, but it was spoiled by the repeated going to the ground by Tyrone players , feigning injury, when the momentum appeared to be with Kerry. That was part of the gamesmanship, street wisdom, to which I referred earlier. Mr. Coldrick fell for it every time, summoning medical help from every direction. They tell me he is a top referee. In any case it fragmented the game and those were terms of engagement Tyrone successfully laid out.
Stephen O'Brien did make a great run into a highly populated area to win a legitimate penalty. Tony struck it home as precisely as he struck his earlier goal and his goal against Mayo. That man knows how to kick a ball. Kerry fought in vain for a draw point at end, to no avail. I have little doubt, if Tyrone were in a similar position, their street wisdom would have seen then manufacture an equalising free.
Peter Harte and Darren McCurry were the two most productive players on the field.
Apart from Dylan Casey, the rest of the backs did fairly well although one woul have liked them to be bit tighter on occasions. Jason was outstanding again, on Cathal McShane this time.
I don't recall either of our midfielders catching a high ball. Diarmuid is a fine athlete but he tends to be anonymous at times. In Joseph's defence, this was his first outing for a long time. Looking back over the seven games, midfield has been a huge headache, a wasteland at periods during games. This area may upscuttle us before the year is out.
Of course in the heel of the hunt the defeat ostensibly has little significance in that we progress to the final in any case. It does matter psychologically because of the team who beat us. Victory would not have atoned for the championship defeat but it would have laid down a marker for a putative confrontation down stream. Also getting beaten in your own backyard it never pleasant.
The P.A. system in Killarney was dire today. I could not decipher one word he/she spoke. At half time, the East Kerry team who won the All-Ireland in fifty years ago, were introduced. I only discovered what was going on my way out of the match. In any case, this jamboree went on and on and on with the result that both teams and officials were out on the field several minutes before it was decided to have mercy on us and put an end to the circus. It might have been tolerable if we could hear what was being said but God above surely we weren't put into this life to suffer this. Ah, it was a bad day to be an old man in Killarney.
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Post by dano on Mar 27, 2022 20:15:57 GMT
A good League campaign all in all. It sticks in the craw that we let them win in the stadium though. It wasn't on t.v. so hard to figure from Tim and Ambrose if we were as poor as they made out. There was no benefit in beating the same opposition out the gate last year, maybe it even gave them an advantage later on. Great that Kerry now have a good full back in Jason and it was music to my ears to hear Mc Shane going off.
Apart from the bragging rights there was little at stake as we were already through to the final. No need to bust a gut today. next week, with atonement and a bit of silverware there for the taking, I'd expect a gut busting performance. I wish Jack and the squad well. Congratulations on reaching the final.
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Post by iceman on Mar 27, 2022 20:26:20 GMT
Alot of positives from today and a few worries, positives, Joe O Connor looks at home at this level and will have a big future, Dylan Casey in his third start was given the job of marking one of the Countrys top forwards and altough it was a tough afternoon i saw enough to suggest he has a big future. Begley is in great form and looks a nailed on starter, White looked very sharp when he came on and Graham O Sullivan is now another strong option in defence, Tony Brosnan now looks like a starter in the full forward line so thats giving us more depth up front.
Negatives, Shane Murphy i think played himself out of the team today, he seems to struggle when put under pressure, long kickouts didnt seem an option today, im sure other teams will be taking note, very dissapointing that we didn't work a score in the closing minutes, this has been a long standing issue and the famine will go on unless rectified
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Post by kot on Mar 27, 2022 21:18:45 GMT
Coldrick as some have mentioned was truly awful. The “head” injury and fellas running head down into another players arm, he fell for every time.
He gave a free out at the end of first half which was a kerry free in (twice). Also missed a 3rd man tackle right in front of him. His linesmen werent much better.
He is very immobile around the pitch and was needlessly slowing down Kerry attacks for what can only be described as reffing overhead and admin.
I actually think id prefer to see gough in charge again rather than him id a choice of a meath match official.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 27, 2022 21:19:02 GMT
For those critical of Dylan Casey today have a look at Michael Fitzsimons who conceded 2.7 on Jack McCarron so every back can have a difficult day. It'll stand to him.
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Post by kerrysouth on Mar 27, 2022 21:21:59 GMT
Jack has achieved what he set out to do qualify for a league final which he now wants to win give a lot of players experience in tough league encounters and yes find out what players are at this level .. The big positives from today is Tony Brosnan has now arrived on the inter county county scene his confidence should soar from here and we finally have a foil for Clifford .. Dylan Casey struggled today on a good player and unfortunately for him prob won’t feature in the championship but has a good future ahead of him .we again struggled at midfield and while the current incumbents will get us through Munster we will need Moran back involved to win an all Ireland .. I think Ryan will start the final backs are taking shape only one position up for grabs and with o shea and paudie Clifford to come into the forwards the team is taking shape . Mayo a big test but exactly what Kerry need at this time
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:01:52 GMT
Look the Goalkeeper issue should be sorted by now and that's the managers fault. Players need to know and get used to what their keeper does. Midfield is still a conundrum and they must be confused too with all the changes in goals. It's now time to stick with the number one Goalie. Make the choice and stick with it unless he makes a total games of it. For me it's Ryan but I'm not the manager. Next week will answer more questions. I want a more attacking system. I don't mind sacrificing one forward but that's it.
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:04:28 GMT
On another note I was in hoganstand forum earlier and a few Tyrone posters who listened to game on Kerry radio reckoned it was the most biased commentary they ever heard. Now all local radio is a little biased but Timmy Moynihan takes the biscuit alright. Timmy only sees Kerry when it comes to frees. Gary Ó Sullivan was more neutral and better imo.
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Post by tpo on Mar 27, 2022 22:06:58 GMT
When we had the wind in 1st half we didn't try many long range efforts
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Post by oldschool on Mar 27, 2022 22:09:46 GMT
Kerry did well today. A few frees we should have got would have given a win] Apoint win or loss is neither here nor there.
Shocking off the ball incidents by Tyrone. [Pat Spillane was right]. Very difficult to play against this type of carry on.
Coldrick was shocking. Serious disrupting by Tyrone players and officials.
Missed Sean o Sé badly
Kick outs still dodgy
Midfield weak
We surely learned a few lessons today but I hope these will stand to us,
Bring on Mayo
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 27, 2022 22:10:00 GMT
Breaking on twitter is that Kerry Cork to be switched to Killarney.
Go on ye boy ye...
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Post by john4 on Mar 27, 2022 22:11:00 GMT
When we had the wind in 1st half we didn't try many long range efforts We played without a tactic in the world imo. It was pure random football from us. I can't believe a whole lot of thought and planning went into today. And that might not be a bad thing, all things considered.!! |
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Post by oldschool on Mar 27, 2022 22:14:05 GMT
Why is David Clifford always referred to as CLIFFORD ?
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Post by exiled on Mar 27, 2022 22:25:03 GMT
On another note I was in hoganstand forum earlier and a few Tyrone posters who listened to game on Kerry radio reckoned it was the most biased commentary they ever heard. Now all local radio is a little biased but Timmy Moynihan takes the biscuit alright. Timmy only sees Kerry when it comes to frees. Gary Ó Sullivan was more neutral and better imo. I find them amusing to be honest. But you seem to have gone a little blue. Always listen them. They criticise Kerry all the time but go ott on opponents all the time. Probably a bit biased but they do criticise Kerry a lot. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2022 22:31:02 GMT
Tyrone had a full strength team out today guys. They were only missing Conor McKenna from last years final. Kerry had 6 or 7 guys today starting that wouldn't be getting into the starting team come Championship. A 1 point defeat against near full strength All Ireland champions is a good result and proves we have good squad depth. Don't start digging the graves just yet. It was a spirited performance despite the defeat. If that was a must win game it would have been very different. Ya and we topped the the league table while losing midfield in every game and with big players all being absent. I don't think we'll beat Mayo next weekend though, I think they have the ability to take advantage of our poor midfield in Croke Park, we'll be out numbered in the stands 10/1 because you'll have Galway and the Rossies playing in the div2 final so theyll shout for their fellow provincial men. I'd like Shane Ryan back in goals for the rest of the year now, I'd also like to see Moran to win a bit of primary possession. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:45:01 GMT
On another note I was in hoganstand forum earlier and a few Tyrone posters who listened to game on Kerry radio reckoned it was the most biased commentary they ever heard. Now all local radio is a little biased but Timmy Moynihan takes the biscuit alright. Timmy only sees Kerry when it comes to frees. Gary Ó Sullivan was more neutral and better imo. I find them amusing to be honest. But you seem to have gone a little blue. Always listen them. They criticise Kerry all the time but go ott on opponents all the time. Probably a bit biased but they do criticise Kerry a lot. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:47:12 GMT
Ambrose and Timmy might criticise Kerry but they always blame ref especially Timmy. Amusing yes but I preferred Gary and Ambrose. Gone blue? It was Tyrone posters that made the claim.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 27, 2022 22:48:07 GMT
Breaking on twitter is that Kerry Cork to be switched to Killarney. Go on ye boy ye... And quite right too. Flower Lodge was never a suitable venue for a championship game |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:48:14 GMT
Tyrone had a full strength team out today guys. They were only missing Conor McKenna from last years final. Kerry had 6 or 7 guys today starting that wouldn't be getting into the starting team come Championship. A 1 point defeat against near full strength All Ireland champions is a good result and proves we have good squad depth. Don't start digging the graves just yet. It was a spirited performance despite the defeat. If that was a must win game it would have been very different. Ya and we topped the the league table while losing midfield in every game and with big players all being absent. I don't think we'll beat Mayo next weekend though, I think they have the ability to take advantage of our poor midfield in Croke Park, we'll be out numbered in the stands 10/1 because you'll have Galway and the Rossies playing in the div2 final so theyll shout for their fellow provincial men. I'd like Shane Ryan back in goals for the rest of the year now, I'd also like to see Moran to win a bit of primary possession. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:50:20 GMT
I can guarentee you one thing Kingdomboy and that is Roscommon will not be shouting for Mayo. Some might but majority won't. I know many Rossies in Dublin and they hate Mayo with a passion.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 27, 2022 22:50:56 GMT
Tyrone had a full strength team out today guys. They were only missing Conor McKenna from last years final. Kerry had 6 or 7 guys today starting that wouldn't be getting into the starting team come Championship. A 1 point defeat against near full strength All Ireland champions is a good result and proves we have good squad depth. Don't start digging the graves just yet. It was a spirited performance despite the defeat. If that was a must win game it would have been very different. Ya and we topped the the league table while losing midfield in every game and with big players all being absent. I don't think we'll beat Mayo next weekend though, I think they have the ability to take advantage of our poor midfield in Croke Park, we'll be out numbered in the stands 10/1 because you'll have Galway and the Rossies playing in the div2 final so theyll shout for their fellow provincial men. I'd like Shane Ryan back in goals for the rest of the year now, I'd also like to see Moran to win a bit of primary possession. I don't think Galway or Roscommon supporters would ever shout for Mayo. They hate each other |
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Post by ciarraimick on Mar 27, 2022 22:51:31 GMT
Breaking on twitter is that Kerry Cork to be switched to Killarney. Go on ye boy ye... |
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