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Post by southward on Nov 29, 2021 16:53:41 GMT
I am proposing making it into a real super 8 group where teams all play each other. There would be away games in Omagh, Castlebar, Clones etc with a definite game v Dublin. What we had was two super 4s with usually a dead rubber at the end....Kerry v Kildare while Galway pulled their punches v Monaghan. Or that pointless game v Meath in Navan. It would be great fun if say the top 3 teams made the semis while 4 and 5th played off for the other semi final spot. I'd support that plan, Mick. Might be a congested schedule though, no room for postponements or replays certainly. Btw, a game can't be labelled a dead rubber if there's something at stake beforehand. Kerry were still in the hunt facing up to Kildare; as it turned out, the win was in vain thanks to Galway's no-show v Monaghan but that doesn't meet the criteria for a dead rubber. Even the Meath game in 2019 - we still had to turn up and at least avoid getting hockeyed to be sure of progression. As far as I can tell, the only super 8 game that was actually a dead rubber was Dublin/Tyrone in 2019 - that's one game out of 12 to date. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 29, 2021 18:58:17 GMT
Given the history with The Battle of Omagh I didn't know what to expect at that Healey Park game, and right I was - from a supporters perspective alone it had a pure magic effect to it. Tyrone fans were delighted to see the Dubs in their local turf, that tempered feeling - awesome really. Than the Dubs all proud, 'this is what we are about, take a good look', and strangely enough Tyrone appreciated them, admired them, if for the numbers alone, a brotherhood atmosphere - I'd say it was planned by Tyrone and fair dues, it would certainly weigh in favour of such future exhibitions and was the GAA in it's finest regalia, sure I'm still talking about it and me a neutral even though it didn't feel like that at all, it had a carnival effect.
That Healey Park is more intimate than say Croker enabled one to gain a rare insight to the telepathy between Cluxton and those he delivers ball to, amazing stuff really - there I was within 10' of him as he'd place his kick.
Clones within 24 hours marked a memorable GAA weekend with the local company, the weather and Donaghy Clifford obliging - oh that goal!
'Nothing beats being there' for sure and didn't I even bump into auld Bertie and he as cross as a bag of cats as they'd say up here, a face like a wet weekend and the sun splitting the rocks.
So massive potential here and I'd say the auld Dub supporter wouldn't be against more 'decentralisation' of fixtures.
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 19:39:01 GMT
I get what you ré saying but the reality is we were only beaten in 2 quarter finals out of 17. One was 2010 after a replay and extra time v Cork when Down beat us easily. The other was Donegal in 12 when we did nt come in cold as we came through qualifiers v Westmeath and Tyrone. wasn't the munster final in 2010 against limerick Mick, we played Cork in the semifinal that year. We were missing Galvin and Tomás through suspension for the Down game and McQuillan made sure we never got a foothold in the game calling us up for incorrect hand passes. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 19:41:21 GMT
Yes Kingdom you are correct. My point was though we did nt come into 2010 quarter final cold. We were beaten fair and square by Down. Yes we were missing Galvin and Ó Sé ré suspensions but we were brutal that day.
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 19:43:01 GMT
I get what you ré saying but the reality is we were only beaten in 2 quarter finals out of 17. One was 2010 after a replay and extra time v Cork when Down beat us easily. The other was Donegal in 12 when we did nt come in cold as we came through qualifiers v Westmeath and Tyrone. I hear what your saying Mick but the strenght of cork at that time meant munster was as strong as any other province. That cork team were excellent and really tested us every year often beating us and showing up weaknesses they are a long way off that now We beat them by 22 points last year !! Just from a development point of view the likes of Tyrone have an advantage sane league as us, then they play fermanagh ok thats much the same as tipp or clare. Then a resurgent Derry easily as good if not better than cork then monaghan probably and Donegal in the final sone seripus qtests for them that will bring on their team in a way that could take us years. Nothing beats championship experience against good sides. In the scenario above Tyrone would play 2 div 1,sides a div 2 and div 3. Whereas best we would play is cork and clare two div 2 teams Tyrone will probably beat all those teams but they will be tested and will learn whats working and whats not on all probability we will beat cork and clare handy enough without learning a thing! |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 19:48:31 GMT
I see your point DC but coming in"cold"never really bothered us or Dublin. Flip it the other way and the Ulster teams used to say before they were burnt out after Ulster campaigns making it harder for them to progress. I was nt a fan of the super 8s persais and if a team had already qualified they could field a weaker team in their final game and be the cause of a good team getting knocked out. It was open for a bit of gamesmanship.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 30, 2021 10:46:06 GMT
I see your point DC but coming in"cold"never really bothered us or Dublin. Flip it the other way and the Ulster teams used to say before they were burnt out after Ulster campaigns making it harder for them to progress. I was nt a fan of the super 8s persais and if a team had already qualified they could field a weaker team in their final game and be the cause of a good team getting knocked out. It was open for a bit of gamesmanship. I think it bothered us plenty of times last year for example. Also just from an entertainment point of view id rather more games against good opposition in the Summer personally rather than playing munster opposition. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 30, 2021 10:51:51 GMT
I see your point DC but coming in"cold"never really bothered us or Dublin. Flip it the other way and the Ulster teams used to say before they were burnt out after Ulster campaigns making it harder for them to progress. I was nt a fan of the super 8s persais and if a team had already qualified they could field a weaker team in their final game and be the cause of a good team getting knocked out. It was open for a bit of gamesmanship. I think it bothered us plenty of times last year for example. Also just from an entertainment point of view id rather more games against good opposition in the Summer personally rather than playing munster opposition. |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 30, 2021 10:53:11 GMT
Oh I'd rather more games too but not super 8s.I would like maybe a league /championship format or two legs quarter finals.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 30, 2021 10:59:31 GMT
Oh I'd rather more games too but not super 8s.I would like maybe a league /championship format or two legs quarter finals. Same as that , but I'd rather super8s over what we have now until they scrap the provincals. |
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Post by Premier on Dec 7, 2021 9:28:21 GMT
In terms of the Kerry panel for next year, I think the best way of dividing it up is to categorise them into; Certs, Fairly Secure, On the Fence, In trouble, Outside Certs, Outside Maybes. These are for the panel now, not the team
Certs:
Brian Begley
Jason Foley
Tom Sullivan
Gavin White
Diarmuid o Connor
Paudie Clifford
Sean o shea
David Clifford
Mike Breen
Killian Spillane
Fairly secure:
Shane Ryan
Paul Murphy
David Moran
Dara Moynihan
Tony Brosnan
Micheal Burns
Tadgh Morley
Paul Geaney
Graham O’Sullivan
Paul o Shea
On the fence:
Jack Barry
Gavin Crowley
Stephen o brien
In trouble:
Adrian Spillane
Jack Sherwood
Pa Kilkenny
Kevin sullivan
David Shaw
Kieran Fitz
Brian Leonard
Outside Certs:
Joe o connor
Dylan Casey
Shane Murphy
Stefan Okunbar
Outside Maybes:
Wayne Guthrie
Jack o shea
Greg Horan
Cormac Coffey
Jack savage
Sean O brien
Adam Donoghue
Andrew Barry
Barry Mahony
Evan Cronin
Dan McCarthy
I’m sure there’s a good few there I’ve forgotten too
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 7, 2021 11:36:21 GMT
In terms of the Kerry panel for next year, I think the best way of dividing it up is to categorise them into; Certs, Fairly Secure, On the Fence, In trouble, Outside Certs, Outside Maybes. These are for the panel now, not the team Certs: Brian Begley Jason Foley Tom Sullivan Gavin White Diarmuid o Connor Paudie Clifford Sean o shea David Clifford Mike Breen Killian Spillane Fairly secure: Shane Ryan Paul Murphy David Moran Dara Moynihan Tony Brosnan Micheal Burns Tadgh Morley Paul Geaney Graham O’Sullivan Paul o Shea On the fence: Jack Barry Gavin Crowley Stephen o brien In trouble: Adrian Spillane Jack Sherwood Pa Kilkenny Kevin sullivan David Shaw Kieran Fitz Brian Leonard Outside Certs: Joe o connor Dylan Casey Shane Murphy Stefan Okunbar Outside Maybes: Wayne Guthrie Jack o shea Greg Horan Cormac Coffey Jack savage Sean O brien Adam Donoghue Andrew Barry Barry Mahony Evan Cronin Dan McCarthy I’m sure there’s a good few there I’ve forgotten too I would be adding : Daniel O’Brien, Mike Potts & Darragh Lyne to the “ Outside Maybes” & moving Seán O’Brien up a step to the outside certs. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 12:21:14 GMT
In terms of the Kerry panel for next year, I think the best way of dividing it up is to categorise them into; Certs, Fairly Secure, On the Fence, In trouble, Outside Certs, Outside Maybes. These are for the panel now, not the team Certs: Brian Begley Jason Foley Tom Sullivan Gavin White Diarmuid o Connor Paudie Clifford Sean o shea David Clifford Mike Breen Killian Spillane Fairly secure: Shane Ryan Paul Murphy David Moran Dara Moynihan Tony Brosnan Micheal Burns Tadgh Morley Paul Geaney Graham O’Sullivan Paul o Shea On the fence: Jack Barry Gavin Crowley Stephen o brien In trouble: Adrian Spillane Jack Sherwood Pa Kilkenny Kevin sullivan David Shaw Kieran Fitz Brian Leonard Outside Certs: Joe o connor Dylan Casey Shane Murphy Stefan Okunbar Outside Maybes: Wayne Guthrie Jack o shea Greg Horan Cormac Coffey Jack savage Sean O brien Adam Donoghue Andrew Barry Barry Mahony Evan Cronin Dan McCarthy I’m sure there’s a good few there I’ve forgotten too I would be adding : Daniel O’Brien, Mike Potts & Darragh Lyne to the “ Outside Maybes” & moving Seán O’Brien up a step to the outside certs. are Heinrich and quilter still U20 nexr year? |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 7, 2021 12:23:54 GMT
How I’d view it with a thought to how Jack might view things
Certs:
Brian Begley
Jason Foley
Tom Sullivan
Gavin White
Diarmuid O’Connor
Paudie Clifford
Sean O’Shea
David Clifford
Mike Breen
Killian Spillane
Shane Ryan
Paul Murphy
David Moran
Dara Moynihan
Tony Brosnan
Tadgh Morley
Paul Geaney
Gavin Crowley
Stephen o brien
Eddie Horan
Joe O’Connor
Graham O’Sullivan
Fairly secure:
Jack Sherwood
Jack Barry
Micheal Burns
Paul O’Shea
On the fence:
Ronan Buckley
David Shaw
Brian Leonard
Adrian Spillane
In trouble:
Pa Kilkenny
Kevin Sullivan
Kieran Fitzgibbon
Outside Certs:
Dylan Casey
Shane Murphy
Stefan Okunbor
Dan O’Donoghue
Outside Strong Chance:
Donal O’Sullivan
Daniel O’Brien
Eanna O’Conchuir
Barry Mahony
Evan Cronin
Adam Donoghue
Tomás O’Sé
Outside Maybes:
Wayne Guthrie
Jack Savage
Sean O’Brien
Andrew Barry
Dan McCarthy
Luka Brosnan
Dara Roche
Michael O’Gara
Gavin O’Brien
Pa Warren
Michael Foley
Colm Moriarty
James McCarthy
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 7, 2021 12:26:08 GMT
I would be adding : Daniel O’Brien, Mike Potts & Darragh Lyne to the “ Outside Maybes” & moving Seán O’Brien up a step to the outside certs. are Heinrich and quilter still U20 nexr year? Quilter is overage in 2022. Heinrich is u20 in 2022 and 2023. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 13:36:17 GMT
are Heinrich and quilter still U20 nexr year? Quilter is overage in 2022. Heinrich is u20 in 2022 and 2023. Ah plenty of time for Heinrich, I suppose the fact quilter isn't starting for Stacks he won't make it. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 7, 2021 18:24:47 GMT
Great panel of players amassed there, may I ask why there appears to be a high opinion tide on change of goal keeper, I wouldn't fault Ryan for the three green flags against Tyrone but more individual outfield errors that proved costly.
I personally don't rate Murphy or Guthrie. I also think the semi final loss and concession of soft goals has dipped the stock of O'Brien.
I don't see the necessity of change for the sake if it.
The returning Diarmuid Murphy as opposed to current keeping coach may also improve matters.
Regardless of Tyrone's game plan we did win 100% of our kickouts
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 20:29:57 GMT
Great panel of players amassed there, may I ask why there appears to be a high opinion tide on change of goal keeper, I wouldn't fault Ryan for the three green flags against Tyrone but more individual outfield errors that proved costly. I personally don't rate Murphy or Guthrie. I also think the semi final loss and concession of soft goals has dipped the stock of O'Brien. I don't see the necessity of change for the sake if it. The returning Diarmuid Murphy as opposed to current keeping coach may also improve matters. Regardless of Tyrone's game plan we did win 100% of our kickouts will Murph be working with the keepers though horse? |
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Post by KY50 on Dec 7, 2021 21:58:09 GMT
Don’t forget David Clifford
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Post by southward on Dec 7, 2021 21:58:55 GMT
Quilter is overage in 2022. Heinrich is u20 in 2022 and 2023. Ah plenty of time for Heinrich, I suppose the fact quilter isn't starting for Stacks he won't make it. Does Quilter ever start a game of football? Whether for Stacks or for Kerry (underage), he seems to be the eternal supersub. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 22:10:55 GMT
Ah plenty of time for Heinrich, I suppose the fact quilter isn't starting for Stacks he won't make it. Does Quilter ever start a game of football? Whether for Stacks or for Kerry (underage), he seems to be the eternal supersub. that's true, but he seems to revel in the roll and he always impacts the game. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 8, 2021 8:21:45 GMT
Ah plenty of time for Heinrich, I suppose the fact quilter isn't starting for Stacks he won't make it. Does Quilter ever start a game of football? Whether for Stacks or for Kerry (underage), he seems to be the eternal supersub. There’s no way a lad who can’t even start for a relatively weak attacking unit should even be in the discussion regarding playing for Kerry |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 8, 2021 8:24:26 GMT
Does Quilter ever start a game of football? Whether for Stacks or for Kerry (underage), he seems to be the eternal supersub. that's true, but he seems to revel in the roll and he always impacts the game. He comes on and mostly kicks frees, I’ve yet to see too many games where he had swung a game that was decisively going the other way. And that’s at club level! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 16:23:43 GMT
that's true, but he seems to revel in the roll and he always impacts the game. He comes on and mostly kicks frees, I’ve yet to see too many games where he had swung a game that was decisively going the other way. And that’s at club level! he's a non runner so, just wonder will Jack go for a big man at full forward and could he be the man. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 8, 2021 16:33:53 GMT
K'boy, Paul O'Shea is no slouch but I'd have him in or around midfield.
Quilter is a rough diamond, give him twelve months to develop with Sigerson ball. He may be a serious option yet.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 8, 2021 17:24:08 GMT
K'boy, Paul O'Shea is no slouch but I'd have him in or around midfield. Quilter is a rough diamond, give him twelve months to develop with Sigerson ball. He may be a serious option yet. Absolutely might be not now- no |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 19:34:03 GMT
K'boy, Paul O'Shea is no slouch but I'd have him in or around midfield. Quilter is a rough diamond, give him twelve months to develop with Sigerson ball. He may be a serious option yet. do you think Jack would play Paul at full forward horse? |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 8, 2021 19:58:01 GMT
K'boy, Paul O'Shea is no slouch but I'd have him in or around midfield. Quilter is a rough diamond, give him twelve months to develop with Sigerson ball. He may be a serious option yet. do you think Jack would play Paul at full forward horse? In my opinion, he’s not a forward. Whenever he’s played there, he hasn’t looked comfortable and has struggled. Against Cork u20 in 2020 is the best example. He struggled in a 2 man full forward line in the first half and then in the second half he had a big impact when he went out the field. I think midfield is by far his best position. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 8, 2021 20:33:54 GMT
Same topic being discussed on squad 2022 thread .. so answered on that thread
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 20:50:15 GMT
do you think Jack would play Paul at full forward horse? In my opinion, he’s not a forward. Whenever he’s played there, he hasn’t looked comfortable and has struggled. Against Cork u20 in 2020 is the best example. He struggled in a 2 man full forward line in the first half and then in the second half he had a big impact when he went out the field. I think midfield is by far his best position. ya that's true, he looks better when facing goal, I remember Paul's audacious shot at goal from 45 yards against Monaghan in the minor allireland semifinal a few years back. He sometimes looks a bit lax though. |
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