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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 27, 2021 14:57:36 GMT
Wanted to avoid the Toy Show last night so ended up going through the Sky box, deleted or watched stuff sitting on it a while. I re-watched the Tyrone matches from the League & semi this year, talk about chalk and cheese. Had a quick look down through the forum posts for the league match this morning. We were all very positive and skipping to an AI Final based on a match played when Tyrone it seemed to me didn't appear to be trying. Jason McGahan was lauded for the S&C job he'd done with the team, fast forward to August and the lads were dropping like flies with cramp. So here we are facing into a new campaign with a new (old) manager and pinning our hopes on the return of Sam in 2022. I dearly hope we will get to enjoy matches as we used to pre Covid. I hope to see some of you on the road and indeed to return to Croke Park in the new year. I normally do my look back between Christmas and New Year but this week it seemed like a lot of things were finishing up, talking to friends it seemed like we're all worn out with the drudgery of Covid and all it's consequences. Tyrone was a strange one, the walk in the park and the Covid - still they won and now the question is can we, or indeed others, turn them over? They will improve and doing back to backs is probably their target. Though I don't like mentioning gambling, what I can't understand is they being considered such outsiders. What am I missing I wonder - it is theirs to lose? |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 27, 2021 15:07:17 GMT
Cavan could have beaten Tyrone. Donegal probably should have.
But once Tyrone hit Croker for the Ulster final they were a much better team. Any better they got.
Mickey Hartes team was the same too.
They are vulnerable playing in the Ulster venues.
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Post by gaelicden on Nov 27, 2021 15:45:03 GMT
Cork v Kerry in the pairc next year, Munster semi final. Draw just done on Rte radio 1.
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Post by thehermit on Nov 27, 2021 16:08:38 GMT
I was just thinking with this swanky multi-hundred million redevelopment the walk down to Pairc will never be the same again! As long as they build a pub a little closer to the ground for the last pitstop I'm all for it  |
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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 27, 2021 16:17:56 GMT
Kildare away 29th/30th January Dublin home the following weekend, Saturday night under lights in Tralee proposed. Donegal home 19yh/20th February Monaghan away 26th/27th February Mayo home Saturday 12th March under lights in Tralee proposed. Armagh away the following weekend Tyrone home Sunday 28th March in Killarney. Kerry are allowed to begin collective training on December 8th. Thanks for posting this mg72, great to start making plans already as I'm based up the country. All three away trips within easy reach and never been to Armagh for a game so will look forward to that one and seeing them up close. Dublin and Mayo under lights in Tralee will be brilliant, the League in 2019 was something special with the same fixtures. The night of the Dublin game was like Stephens night or something, the town was hopping. You could feel something building with the team even at that early stage, alas ultimately the All Ireland slipped through our fingers. God I just hope we get to have a proper League campaign with supporters being allowed to attend. 'High Plataea', King Tony telling us things are on a knife edge and now an Omicron variant out of the savannahs of Botswana. Feeling very low today, wondering if we will ever get out of this.
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Post by gaelicden on Nov 27, 2021 16:45:08 GMT
I don't know if this has been posted before but here's next year's master schedule.
Based on this, we'll be playing Cork sometimes between 16th of April and the 14/15th of May (assuming 2 weeks between Munster SF and Munster Final on the 28th May)
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 27, 2021 17:41:57 GMT
Interesting fixtures. Tyrone at home again? 2 years in a row. Dublin in Tralee whets the appetite. We played Tyrone up in Edendork in 2020 Oh I forgot that the Tyrone fame was a semi final. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 28, 2021 23:29:42 GMT
There has been a bit of talk around Jack putting together his initial panel. Does anyone know what new players are involved and if there’s any one who was on the panel excluded?
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 0:12:27 GMT
Did nt hear anything but I'd expect at least one ex player to be recalled and maybe more.
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Post by glengael on Nov 29, 2021 9:24:14 GMT
I don't know if this has been posted before but here's next year's master schedule. Based on this, we'll be playing Cork sometimes between 16th of April and the 14/15th of May (assuming 2 weeks between Munster SF and Munster Final on the 28th May) So in the senior football, are they going back to the pre 2018 qualifier system or the Stupid, sorry super 8's ? |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 29, 2021 9:36:30 GMT
I don't know if this has been posted before but here's next year's master schedule. Based on this, we'll be playing Cork sometimes between 16th of April and the 14/15th of May (assuming 2 weeks between Munster SF and Munster Final on the 28th May) So in the senior football, are they going back to the pre 2018 qualifier system or the Stupid, sorry super 8's ? Back to the 'two strikes and you are out' system. |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 29, 2021 9:39:50 GMT
Back to the 'two strikes and you are out' system.
Ulster teams will be focusing on the ulster championship towards the end of the league so we might see repeats of the Tyrone v Kerry league game of 2021 so lets not get carried away by a one sided game!
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Post by thehermit on Nov 29, 2021 10:03:23 GMT
When have we ever done that??? |
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Post by dc84 on Nov 29, 2021 10:14:33 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks the super 8s really benefit us ? The way it was prior we were always coming in cold to a quarter final.
If for example we breeze through munster again its hardly great preparation if we then draw Tyrone, Donegal Galway or mayo in a qf surely ?
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Post by southward on Nov 29, 2021 10:32:47 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks the super 8s really benefit us ? The way it was prior we were always coming in cold to a quarter final. If for example we breeze through munster again its hardly great preparation if we then draw Tyrone, Donegal Galway or mayo in a qf surely ? Agree. Could never understand the antipathy towards the super 8s. * More games at the business end for all who make it. * A guaranteed home game in the championship. And a guaranteed away game for Dublin. * Proper preparation for anyone with ambitions of Sam. What's not to love? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 10:44:15 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks the super 8s really benefit us ? The way it was prior we were always coming in cold to a quarter final. If for example we breeze through munster again its hardly great preparation if we then draw Tyrone, Donegal Galway or mayo in a qf surely ? Agreed but the county board voted against the recent championship restructure so they must have a different view. |
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Post by hatchetman on Nov 29, 2021 11:10:23 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks the super 8s really benefit us ? The way it was prior we were always coming in cold to a quarter final. If for example we breeze through munster again its hardly great preparation if we then draw Tyrone, Donegal Galway or mayo in a qf surely ? Agreed but the county board voted against the recent championship restructure so they must have a different view. But the recent championship restructure that the county board voted against was not the super 8's. |
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Post by thehermit on Nov 29, 2021 11:43:13 GMT
Yes I thought the Super 8s were great. The game in Clones was brilliant, esp getting a taste of what a proper championship match is like up there rather than a subdued league game.
And the buzz around Mayo in Killarney the next year was terrific, scorching weather, the pubs hopping and a brilliant performance. The last train back to Tralee was some craic with everyone singing.
It defo bought a lot more days of colour and atmosphere in the summer when you want it most.
Aside from the farce of Dublin having 2 home games, it was a good system.
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Post by dc84 on Nov 29, 2021 11:55:26 GMT
Yes I thought the Super 8s were great. The game in Clones was brilliant, esp getting a taste of what a proper championship match is like up there rather than a subdued league game. And the buzz around Mayo in Killarney the next year was terrific, scorching weather, the pubs hopping and a brilliant performance. The last train back to Tralee was some craic with everyone singing. It defo bought a lot more days of colour and atmosphere in the summer when you want it most. Aside from the farce of Dublin having 2 home games, it was a good system. Exactly , is that not what people want more championship games in the height of summer against good teams? 2019 was great I thought mayo in a hot day in killarney, cracking draw vs Donegal in croke park and a good win in Meath, it really battle hardened us for the semi vs Tyrone that year I felt. The structure next year Is so boring same old stuff wake me up when the real stuff starts in the quarters ! |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 12:24:08 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks the super 8s really benefit us ? The way it was prior we were always coming in cold to a quarter final. If for example we breeze through munster again its hardly great preparation if we then draw Tyrone, Donegal Galway or mayo in a qf surely ? |
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Post by ciarraimick on Nov 29, 2021 12:28:22 GMT
I get what you ré saying but the reality is we were only beaten in 2 quarter finals out of 17. One was 2010 after a replay and extra time v Cork when Down beat us easily. The other was Donegal in 12 when we did nt come in cold as we came through qualifiers v Westmeath and Tyrone.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 29, 2021 12:55:18 GMT
Mayo were out on their feet that day in Killarney having had a run of games to get to the super 8.
Kerry made the super 8 via Munster teams whose first priority is hurling.
The league gives us the top 8 teams. There is no need to have another method at arriving at that group of 8.
So just let them play each other....7 games....3 at home or 4 at home depends.
Let the semi finalists be the top 4.
You would have great days in Clones and other venues too.
And Kerry would get to play all their peers....unlike the old super 8. Did Kerry ever play Dublin in a supef i game for example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:07:08 GMT
I get what you ré saying but the reality is we were only beaten in 2 quarter finals out of 17. One was 2010 after a replay and extra time v Cork when Down beat us easily. The other was Donegal in 12 when we did nt come in cold as we came through qualifiers v Westmeath and Tyrone. wasn't the munster final in 2010 against limerick Mick, we played Cork in the semifinal that year. We were missing Galvin and Tomás through suspension for the Down game and McQuillan made sure we never got a foothold in the game calling us up for incorrect hand passes. |
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Post by dc84 on Nov 29, 2021 13:09:42 GMT
I get what you ré saying but the reality is we were only beaten in 2 quarter finals out of 17. One was 2010 after a replay and extra time v Cork when Down beat us easily. The other was Donegal in 12 when we did nt come in cold as we came through qualifiers v Westmeath and Tyrone. I hear what your saying Mick but the strenght of cork at that time meant munster was as strong as any other province. That cork team were excellent and really tested us every year often beating us and showing up weaknesses they are a long way off that now We beat them by 22 points last year !! Just from a development point of view the likes of Tyrone have an advantage sane league as us, then they play fermanagh ok thats much the same as tipp or clare. Then a resurgent Derry easily as good if not better than cork then monaghan probably and Donegal in the final sone seripus qtests for them that will bring on their team in a way that could take us years. Nothing beats championship experience against good sides. In the scenario above Tyrone would play 2 div 1,sides a div 2 and div 3. Whereas best we would play is cork and clare two div 2 teams Tyrone will probably beat all those teams but they will be tested and will learn whats working and whats not on all probability we will beat cork and clare handy enough without learning a thing! |
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Post by southward on Nov 29, 2021 13:33:03 GMT
Yes I thought the Super 8s were great. The game in Clones was brilliant, esp getting a taste of what a proper championship match is like up there rather than a subdued league game. And the buzz around Mayo in Killarney the next year was terrific, scorching weather, the pubs hopping and a brilliant performance. The last train back to Tralee was some craic with everyone singing. It defo bought a lot more days of colour and atmosphere in the summer when you want it most. Aside from the farce of Dublin having 2 home games, it was a good system. And even that was better than the previous system, which it seems we're going back to, whereby they had every meaningful game at home. |
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Post by dc84 on Nov 29, 2021 13:48:51 GMT
Mayo were out on their feet that day in Killarney having had a run of games to get to the super 8. Kerry made the super 8 via Munster teams whose first priority is hurling. The league gives us the top 8 teams. There is no need to have another method at arriving at that group of 8. So just let them play each other....7 games....3 at home or 4 at home depends. Let the semi finalists be the top 4. You would have great days in Clones and other venues too. And Kerry would get to play all their peers....unlike the old super 8. Did Kerry ever play Dublin in a supef i game for example. That would have been ideal if voted in , the more i think about it about the best way to do it would be split div1 and 2 into 1a and 1b and 2a 2b for 3/4. Top 6 in divs 1a/2b and top 2 in 2a/b go into round of 16 with top 4 in 1a/b having home advantage. That means every team has a chance of making knockouts at start of season. Also it would be competitive at the bottom of the divs to make knockout and at the top to make top 4. How you split the divisions would be tricky personally I think a ranking system based on previous league would be the way to go odds from 1a go into next years 1a, ie 1st 3rd 5th plus 2nd 4th 6th from 2a and 1st from 2a and 2nd in 2b. This would mean more diversity of opponent year on year and would hopefully bring on the teams in div2 and 3 as they would be playing a higher calliber of team. Just as example using the last full league 2020 this would be 1a and 1b. 1a Kerry Galway Donegal Mayo Armagh Westmeath Clare Cork 1b Dublin Tyrone Monaghan Meath Roscommon Kildare Laois Down Sorry about the long post and throwing another structure in the mix! |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 29, 2021 14:11:46 GMT
I dont understand how people can say that a super 8 system that never saw Kerry play Dublin was great
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Post by thehermit on Nov 29, 2021 14:18:54 GMT
I dont understand how people can say that a super 8 system that never saw Kerry play Dublin was great What's rare is wonderful - Clones for a Kerry match, Meath for a Kerry match, bringing the likes of Mayo down to Killarney in the summer sun etc.
But I'll reiterate it was a farce Dublin being left in Croker for the first two games (hence why they were never chasing a result when they went to Omagh).
If they had to travel like the rest of us, we'd have seen them in Killarney or in Ballyboofey or McHale.
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Post by southward on Nov 29, 2021 14:41:48 GMT
I dont understand how people can say that a super 8 system that never saw Kerry play Dublin was great Sure it was only in place for 2 years. We would have surely got them the next time. |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 29, 2021 15:26:40 GMT
I am proposing making it into a real super 8 group where teams all play each other.
There would be away games in Omagh, Castlebar, Clones etc with a definite game v Dublin.
What we had was two super 4s with usually a dead rubber at the end....Kerry v Kildare while Galway pulled their punches v Monaghan. Or that pointless game v Meath in Navan.
It would be great fun if say the top 3 teams made the semis while 4 and 5th played off for the other semi final spot.
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