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Post by The16thMan on Jun 13, 2021 13:47:05 GMT
I see that despite Offaly being out im Championship on the weekend of June 26th, same as Kerry, there will be a Division 3 final between Offaly & Derry next weekend in Croke Park. This is because both counties agreed to it, I wonder will Kerry & Dublin be given this option and if so would it be taken. I for one would love to see a final played as the title of "Joint Champions" just doesn't sit well with me. These young Kerry players are better served getting as familiar with Dublin as possible and even if Keane doesn't want to show his full hand we have the squad depth which could prove an invaluable experience of playing in a national final vs Dublin in Croker to those fringe players.
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Post by mossie on Jun 13, 2021 14:16:55 GMT
I see that despite Offaly being out im Championship on the weekend of June 26th, same as Kerry, there will be a Division 3 final between Offaly & Derry next weekend in Croke Park. This is because both counties agreed to it, I wonder will Kerry & Dublin be given this option and if so would it be taken. I for one would love to see a final played as the title of "Joint Champions" just doesn't sit well with me. These young Kerry players are better served getting as familiar with Dublin as possible and even if Keane doesn't want to show his full hand we have the squad depth which could prove an invaluable experience of playing in a national final vs Dublin in Croker to those fringe players. The final should be played, the players are well prepared and conditioned should be well able to play Dublin one Sunday and Clare the following Also, ideal opportunity to give Fitzgibbon another match in goals, Mike Breen in defence, give Joe O'Connor a start throw in David Shaw see what he like.
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Post by mossie on Jun 13, 2021 14:19:00 GMT
Have to be absolutely delighted with that league campaign. We have returned to an attacking style of play that gets the best out of our forwards. We have found new options in Paudie Clifford, Mike Breen and even Fitzgibbon in goals. Foley, O’Connor and Moynihan have all gone to new levels and are now certain starters. Foley and O’Connor’s progression are huge boosts considering they are operating in 2 key positions we were struggling a bit in. White has maintained his attacking quality while really improving his tackling and overall defending. Beaglaoich has also improved due to his physical development. I think we have learned an awful lot from this league and are in a very good position coming into championship. We have a very strong panel with very good competition for places. all correct but the fly in the ointment is when Dublin needed goals our defence gifted them to Dublin, that niggling doubt about our backs just doesnt go away
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 13, 2021 16:20:13 GMT
I missed bits of the game so can someone, anyone, put a bit of flesh on the bone re the great news re MOTM. Of course it is early days to be saying Jason owns the jersey but he appears to have killed off any doubts anyway.
A FB scoring a point is interesting - is he being drawn out or is he like the rest of us and is peed off with this social distancing? His athleticism is rare for a FB and he presents an unusual proposition that will challenge any attack system. He was already marked, actually on his debut here in Letterkenny, and a few unwarranted rattles he was on the receiving end of proves that what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. From a few glimpses of him on the TV he is looking strong, neat, lean and hopefully meaner he gets.
Watching the Dublin Donegal game I was reminded of Cluxtons kickout tactics in the 2018 Dublin Tyrone clash in Omagh I attended, the day before our Monaghan clash in Clones - the cameraman on occasion yesterday gave the behind goals view of restarts with Comerford doing as Clux did - you couldn't but notice the dynamic of his players on the move, giving him options. One in particular, was it to Costello or Scully? maybe midway through the second half, was unlucky not to have resulted in a point, all from 2 kicks, i.e. a single 'link-man' possession. An acre of space at RHF invited the target to race into ahead of his marker, he gained possession and from what I recall he had two on his tail as he turned maybe the wrong way. Is this as bit like hurling where the field maybe getting too short? And though behind the goals isn't always the best ticket, this alone is worth the admission, and moreover now as Clux has to his credit kinda revolutionised that role.
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Post by taggert on Jun 13, 2021 16:47:34 GMT
Bally, JF played very very well. The biggest difference for me was that he normally plays a containing type defensive role covering pockets of space whereas yesterday he was very aggressive, hard in the tackle and full of direct running. Not unlike BoB beside him. It was good to see as I do not see anybody beating this frankenstein version of Dublin until the man child that is Con O'Callaghan is stopped head on from running direct at goals.
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Post by taggert on Jun 13, 2021 17:03:05 GMT
I missed bits of the game so can someone, anyone, put a bit of flesh on the bone re the great news re MOTM. Of course it is early days to be saying Jason owns the jersey but he appears to have killed off any doubts anyway. A FB scoring a point is interesting - is he being drawn out or is he like the rest of us and is peed off with this social distancing? His athleticism is rare for a FB and he presents an unusual proposition that will challenge any attack system. He was already marked, actually on his debut here in Letterkenny, and a few unwarranted rattles he was on the receiving end of proves that what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. From a few glimpses of him on the TV he is looking strong, neat, lean and hopefully meaner he gets. Watching the Dublin Donegal game I was reminded of Cluxtons kickout tactics in the 2018 Dublin Tyrone clash in Omagh I attended, the day before our Monaghan clash in Clones - the cameraman on occasion yesterday gave the behind goals view of restarts with Comerford doing as Clux did - you couldn't but notice the dynamic of his players on the move, giving him options. One in particular, was it to Costello or Scully? maybe midway through the second half, was unlucky not to have resulted in a point, all from 2 kicks, i.e. a single 'link-man' possession. An acre of space at RHF invited the target to race into ahead of his marker, he gained possession and from what I recall he had two on his tail as he turned maybe the wrong way. Is this as bit like hurling where the field maybe getting too short? And though behind the goals isn't always the best ticket, this alone is worth the admission, and moreover now as Clux has to his credit kinda revolutionised that role. There was footage, via WApp, last night of Dublins 3rd man tackling (i.e. blocking, pushing and FOULING) to allow a Dub a clear run into space and fouling the marker by preventing his run via unfair means. Im sure I'll be told they are all at it, but it does make a mockery of the game. Its one thing rendering high fielding from kickouts essentially redundant, but its another to foul your way to gaining uncontested possession from the restart. Dublin bored Donegal into submission with their ultra conservative, low risk, sideways passing, painful recycling bastardisation of basketball and ruhby league. While Limerick look like they are going to dominate Hurling, they had 55 efforts (33 points and 22 wides) against Cork recently, they at least are doing so with a degree of style, panache and bringing the game to higher standards for the viewer. I cant say the same about Dublin - maybe they are bored and just do the 3rd gear systematic routine which is enough to win and thats all they really care about?
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 13, 2021 17:17:34 GMT
Division 1 teams 2022:
Kerry Dublin Donegal Tyrone Armagh Monaghan Mayo Kildare
Hopefully we'll return to the 8 team format next year, will be interesting to face a Jack O'Connor Kildare team. By jaysus Kerry must be the most isolated county in the division, I'd hate to have majority away games with Kildare being the nearest county by distance.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 13, 2021 17:45:13 GMT
Division 1 teams 2022: Kerry Dublin Donegal Tyrone Armagh Monaghan Mayo Kildare Hopefully we'll return to the 8 team format next year, will be interesting to face a Jack O'Connor Kildare team. By jaysus Kerry must be the most isolated county in the division, I'd hate to have majority away games with Kildare being the nearest county by distance. Reminds of a yarn of old when we had been relegated and on a visit to the Banner a local commented that we were losing our touch and to which was it Ger Lynch responded that 'we only like going to places we haven't been before' - now my source would be Coolaclarig's Eamon Kennelly so it must be true!
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Post by goforit2 on Jun 13, 2021 20:10:03 GMT
I'm glad Kerry aren't playing next week. Clare are a much improved team. Kerry have to focus on that game now. If Kerry play Dublin in the championship does it double up as a league final?
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 13, 2021 21:20:39 GMT
Reading the posts here today I thought I had stumbled onto an English tabloid reporting on the English soccer team. Some of the superlatives being used are ridiculous and also describing Tyrone as a bad side is inaccurate. Tyrone are still in the top 6 or 7 teams in the country even though they are in transition. People should realise that there is room for improvement. We opted for goals which were not on because the area was crowded which is effectively a missed point. We also had some poor shots go wide. The result of this was that we couldn’t pull away from them on the points column. Great teams can. We ended up with 15, they with 14. Of course this will not be lost on Peter or Maurice.
I only mention all of this to keep things in perspective.
It was an exceptional performance. Six goals is an incredible achievement at this level. Some of the attacking was as good as any Kerry team I have ever seen. Diarmuid is getting better all the time and he can become as good as whatever he wants to be. Because he is young he needs a good mentor and I would love to see him develop a good relationship with Maurice.
There is often slagging here about North Kerry defenders. Many a true word was said in jest. Jason is the first Kerry fullback to ever get man of the match as far as I know. In the first half I said to those watching with me that he would get it. He will be emboldened by that. His performance securing the square even enabled other defenders to play better and BO’B had his best game for some time.
Gavin’s “Beckham” shot showed great skill and confidence and then he just carried on doing his job. Paul’s goal was brilliant, the keeper had gone for his top right hand corner but Paul had put different software in the missile. Mike Sheehy would call it backspin. Mike Breen played like a veteran (if I can borrow the word). Is he related to Gary Breen who played for Ireland a few years back??? Tommy Walsh has proven to be a vital part of the tactics. To be fair to everyone all 22 played very well.
We have eventually reached the point where experimentation is over and the backs and forwards are each picked from about 8 or 9 strong and proven contenders and midfield is picked from four.
I watched the Dublin vs Donegal game. I said here a few weeks ago that I could not see Dublin improving very much. They haven’t but we mustn’t take anything for granted. As a professional team, they may be on a programme where they will improve game after game in Leinster and peak at the right time. That is the unknown. The known is that so far there is no Cluxton and Philly (who seems to have wintered well, in the “abundance” sense of the word) is their goto defender to come on in the last 15 minutes when they are trying to hold out. He came on and threw himself on the ground to stop a last minute Donegal effort but all in vain. Donegal got the goal. Even though Dublin still won it had a foreboding sense of evolution. It is to our advantage that there is no league final. Dublin need a game against us mush more than we need a game against them. The AIF could be the next game where they play a top class side. We are lucky that our path in Munster involves 3 games. We need development games and then let youth loose, they need tests.
PS: Veteran That was an out and out penalty. Tyrone are still Tyrone. The push in the back can be obvious because the victim’s shoulders suddenly go forward. Yesterday on a few occasions they pushed on the small of the back making it more difficult for the referee to be sure. But when the player ends up sprawled that is the evidence. David was pushed in the small of the back. Diarmuid found out that they can do it to the front too.
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Post by kot on Jun 13, 2021 21:42:25 GMT
Forgot to mention, but yesterday but the camera coverage left a lot to be desired. No “other” view from behind the goal as is usual. Lots of camera frantically zooming in and out of focus. I think we missed at least 2 scores that were only visible back on replay.
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Post by Corner Back on Jun 13, 2021 22:43:20 GMT
. Mike Breen played like a veteran (if I can borrow the word). Is he related to Gary Breen who played for Ireland a few years back??? I recall that Gary Breen had relatives in Beaufort. Perhaps someone from Beaufort can confirm if they are related. Maybe sometime in the future we will all be back at a stadium chanting "if only we had a team of Mike Breens... "
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Post by augustafield on Jun 13, 2021 23:49:44 GMT
A wise man once said “ Walk aisy when your glass is full “ and that advice pertains to this Kerry team . So being forewarned is forearmed .
Beating a relegated Galway and a Tyrone team that is a pale shadow of past Tyrone teams is no great boast and scoring a goal in the 5th minute of injury time against the Dubs is a more reliable barometer of where we are . And that was after the Dubs pilfered 4 soft goals to cruise into a 7 point advantage without even breaking sweat . And how could they not take the foot off the pedal at that stage .
We do appear to have a young skillful hungry team with plenty of options who are well advanced in strength conditioning and fitness - lockdown was not wasted - but the benchmark is Dublin and they had us well sussed out when we met them . Galway , Roscommon and Tyrone forwards were easily dealt with but not so the Dubs . Knife through butter comes to mind . Plenty of time to get our defence organised before - if - we meet again but less of the roaring optimism .
Glass half empty maybe but not just yet half full.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 13, 2021 23:58:13 GMT
I missed bits of the game so can someone, anyone, put a bit of flesh on the bone re the great news re MOTM. Of course it is early days to be saying Jason owns the jersey but he appears to have killed off any doubts anyway. A FB scoring a point is interesting - is he being drawn out or is he like the rest of us and is peed off with this social distancing? His athleticism is rare for a FB and he presents an unusual proposition that will challenge any attack system. He was already marked, actually on his debut here in Letterkenny, and a few unwarranted rattles he was on the receiving end of proves that what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. From a few glimpses of him on the TV he is looking strong, neat, lean and hopefully meaner he gets. Watching the Dublin Donegal game I was reminded of Cluxtons kickout tactics in the 2018 Dublin Tyrone clash in Omagh I attended, the day before our Monaghan clash in Clones - the cameraman on occasion yesterday gave the behind goals view of restarts with Comerford doing as Clux did - you couldn't but notice the dynamic of his players on the move, giving him options. One in particular, was it to Costello or Scully? maybe midway through the second half, was unlucky not to have resulted in a point, all from 2 kicks, i.e. a single 'link-man' possession. An acre of space at RHF invited the target to race into ahead of his marker, he gained possession and from what I recall he had two on his tail as he turned maybe the wrong way. Is this as bit like hurling where the field maybe getting too short? And though behind the goals isn't always the best ticket, this alone is worth the admission, and moreover now as Clux has to his credit kinda revolutionised that role. There was footage, via WApp, last night of Dublins 3rd man tackling (i.e. blocking, pushing and FOULING) to allow a Dub a clear run into space and fouling the marker by preventing his run via unfair means. Im sure I'll be told they are all at it, but it does make a mockery of the game. Its one thing rendering high fielding from kickouts essentially redundant, but its another to foul your way to gaining uncontested possession from the restart. Dublin bored Donegal into submission with their ultra conservative, low risk, sideways passing, painful recycling bastardisation of basketball and ruhby league. While Limerick look like they are going to dominate Hurling, they had 55 efforts (33 points and 22 wides) against Cork recently, they at least are doing so with a degree of style, panache and bringing the game to higher standards for the viewer. I cant say the same about Dublin - maybe they are bored and just do the 3rd gear systematic routine which is enough to win and thats all they really care about? Yip and there are other aspects, watch how well Clux does it with James McCarthy - in one instance in Omagh the ball landed into Macs chest in running, with respect it is amazing really and a joy to watch, and certainly more pleasant than the 'piggy in the middle' stuff you rightly call out - the reality is that if a tactic works it will be practiced and perfected, and trying to eliminate it by rules often results in strangulation by regulation as in the small ball game at the moment. The kickout alone warrants a thread on here is and as probably does the piggy stuff. Joe 'now what do ya think of that' Brolly was saying the Tír Chonaill shenanigans were worse than the Dubs so it is obviously a touchy subject and if even it wasn't Joe would stir the pot. One couldn't but notice how Tír Chonaills sliced open the Dubs defense for that beauty of a goal from Eoin McGettigan, puts Champions League final sole score well in the shade, up there with Lionel Cliffords vs Tribes - ah life ain't so bad when we have stuff like this to keep us yapping happy. Funny how an amateur sport puts the pros to shame, ah no disrespect, sport is sport but facts are also facts. And then we have hurling which unlike golf, ya have to catch the shaggin ball too, 'reach in behind the clouds and seize the ball from the shrapnel' as that auld poet laddo wance described it - I only exaggerate slightly, well if at all - up in the clouds is a nice peaceful place, that is until hoors start indiscriminately wielding and swinging 'n' clashin ash camáns to their hearts content, and ours - long may they, we, last. Ah as the swat pen rests snug as a gun here, I'm mulling over 'Dún Síon to Croke Park' and what a whopper caught me - Ná tabhair breith ar an chéad scéal, go mbeire an taobh eile ort - all about an taobh eile and while literal and metaphoric interpretation would be interesting, we could also apply the wisdom to a football contest - oh yes we could! Oiche maith mo chairde Chiarraí PS Maybe Dgal also went to Cavan for a day out, plenty of scenery!
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Post by pillar on Jun 14, 2021 7:47:50 GMT
A wise man once said “ Walk aisy when your glass is full “ and that advice pertains to this Kerry team . So being forewarned is forearmed . Beating a relegated Galway and a Tyrone team that is a pale shadow of past Tyrone teams is no great boast and scoring a goal in the 5th minute of injury time against the Dubs is a more reliable barometer of where we are . And that was after the Dubs pilfered 4 soft goals to cruise into a 7 point advantage without even breaking sweat . And how could they not take the foot off the pedal at that stage . We do appear to have a young skillful hungry team with plenty of options who are well advanced in strength conditioning and fitness - lockdown was not wasted - but the benchmark is Dublin and they had us well sussed out when we met them . Galway , Roscommon and Tyrone forwards were easily dealt with but not so the Dubs . Knife through butter comes to mind . Plenty of time to get our defence organised before - if - we meet again but less of the roaring optimism . Glass half empty maybe but not just yet half full. I think it's important to stand back and take a look at how this team has transitioned.The team that started yesterday included 9 All Ireland minor winners(the oldest being 25) plus if you throw in the goalie and Paudie Clifford thats 11.While doing that we've been in the top 2 of the League for the last 3 seasons and take away the November rain in Pairc Ui Chaoimh we haven't fallen off any cliff.I do enjoy how there's excuses for when we hammer a team,inevitably they are brutal,yet when the Dubs do it they are awesome.Rightly so we are being compared to the top team but just remember everyone else is looking at us.Weve a team that will be competing for a long time.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 14, 2021 8:33:38 GMT
Reading the posts here today I thought I had stumbled onto an English tabloid reporting on the English soccer team. Some of the superlatives being used are ridiculous and also describing Tyrone as a bad side is inaccurate. Tyrone are still in the top 6 or 7 teams in the country even though they are in transition. People should realise that there is room for improvement. We opted for goals which were not on because the area was crowded which is effectively a missed point. We also had some poor shots go wide. The result of this was that we couldn’t pull away from them on the points column. Great teams can. We ended up with 15, they with 14. Of course this will not be lost on Peter or Maurice. I only mention all of this to keep things in perspective. It was an exceptional performance. Six goals is an incredible achievement at this level. Some of the attacking was as good as any Kerry team I have ever seen. Diarmuid is getting better all the time and he can become as good as whatever he wants to be. Because he is young he needs a good mentor and I would love to see him develop a good relationship with Maurice. There is often slagging here about North Kerry defenders. Many a true word was said in jest. Jason is the first Kerry fullback to ever get man of the match as far as I know. In the first half I said to those watching with me that he would get it. He will be emboldened by that. His performance securing the square even enabled other defenders to play better and BO’B had his best game for some time. Ever? I'd say Seamus Moynihan and John O'Keeffe could fill sideboards with Man Of The Match awards won at full-back.
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Post by veteran on Jun 14, 2021 11:51:38 GMT
Looking at the match live last Saturday I felt the penalty was of the soft variety. However, seeing it again last night confirms kerryexile’s interpretation. The push in the back was far more aggressive than I thought on first viewing. Conor Lane had no hesitation in awarding it. Speaking about Conor, he is one referee who seems to improve year on year, unlike most referees who are as incompetent a couple of years down the road as they were when they made their debut. Another thing in his favour , he seems to keep himself in optimal physical condition, again unlike a lot of referees.
I go along with the view that we are better off taking two weeks to concentrate on the Clare match rather than meeting the Dubs at the weekend, risking injuries and suspensions. The time to meet those boys again is in the final, assuming we do not stumble along the way. We should not take that journey for granted. We need only remember back to that miserable Sunday last November.
Regarding Mike Breen’s antecedents, a couple of decades ago a Mike Breen used to play CHB for Beaufort, Mid-Kerry and , I think, the Kerry juniors. Father, uncle, cousin of the current Mike? Perhaps, one or both are related to Garry Breen of the soccer persuasion. Either way, I feel we have found a genuine defender here.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2021 12:14:58 GMT
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Post by athletics on Jun 14, 2021 14:03:16 GMT
Hello does anyone have a link to the the game from Saturday please. I just want to study a few things before the Clare game! Thanks.
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 14, 2021 14:14:20 GMT
Gavin White seems to have set a trend. Since he lobbed Niall Morgan on Saturday the Dubs have tried it, Galway tried it (well it looks like they tried it, maybe it was an attempt for a point) and the Czech Republic just did it against Scotland.
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 14, 2021 14:17:10 GMT
As far as I know Bernie Breen, former Kerry ladies footballer and 2014 All Star is Mike’s sister.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 14, 2021 15:13:17 GMT
Forgot to mention, but yesterday but the camera coverage left a lot to be desired. No “other” view from behind the goal as is usual. Lots of camera frantically zooming in and out of focus. I think we missed at least 2 scores that were only visible back on replay. It was driving me mad
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Post by veteran on Jun 14, 2021 15:16:27 GMT
As far as I know Bernie Breen, former Kerry ladies footballer and 2014 All Star is Mike’s sister. That is an interesting connection, Aodhan. I remember Bernie playing midfield for Kerry . She was a lively , spirited operator I can assure you. She subsequently migrated to Wexford , an affair of the heart I believe! I think she may have played for Wexford for a while. Talking about the lady footballers, their match with Monaghan was live streamed over the weekend. Perfect reception. It was a heart stopper , going to extra time and then to the equivalent of a penalty shoot out. This consisted of each team taking five free kicks thirty metres out. Kerry prevailed. The finish more or less coincided with the start of the Killarney match. It had me fairly revved up for the men’s game! As far as I know they next play Meath in the final of division two.
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Post by diego on Jun 14, 2021 17:15:48 GMT
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Post by piggott on Jun 14, 2021 18:27:00 GMT
Mike Breen is grandson of Patsy Cremin President of Coiste Na Nog Ciarrai.
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Post by athletics on Jun 14, 2021 20:34:11 GMT
Thanks for the game link. Appreciate it.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 14, 2021 21:25:24 GMT
Rewatched the game this evening and what struck me was the fitness levels Kerry displayed and I was reminded of the head S&C ( Name alludes me ) but he said in an interview about 3 years ago that it would take at least 3 years to see our young lads reach the required fitness levels. Great to see that come to pass this summer 3 years on from when he said it would.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 15, 2021 5:49:06 GMT
The article below maybe more for another day when we aren't blowing the opposition away, but it should be interesting from an overall sporting perspective, mind you it doesn't half beat around the bush. Manchester City’s plan for global domination
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Post by buck02 on Jun 16, 2021 9:42:56 GMT
First goal came direct from Kerry kick-out, second goal direct from Tyrone kick out and 3rd goal direct from Tyrone kickout. Must look back again at the 4th, 5th and 6th goals to see where they came from.
I'm a small bit wary of how much Kerry are getting talked up after the games against Galway and Tyrone. The Dublin game should be seen as the benchmark from the league and there is plenty to be concerned about that game - especially as Dublin are only trundling along in 2nd gear at the moment.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 16, 2021 10:53:21 GMT
First goal came direct from Kerry kick-out, second goal direct from Tyrone kick out and 3rd goal direct from Tyrone kickout. Must look back again at the 4th, 5th and 6th goals to see where they came from. I'm a small bit wary of how much Kerry are getting talked up after the games against Galway and Tyrone. The Dublin game should be seen as the benchmark from the league and there is plenty to be concerned about that game - especially as Dublin are only trundling along in 2nd gear at the moment. I think there's an utter desperation in the media for someone to challenge Dublin. There seems to be a massive contingent in the GAA who still have their heads in the sand in relation to the systemic advantages Dublin have.
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