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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 4, 2021 1:08:15 GMT
Anyone brave enough to predict Kerry vTyrone result... Oh what a silly question, 2-11 to 15 Points of course - what else could it be?
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Post by oldschool on Jun 4, 2021 10:22:46 GMT
Ballythefireside , that’s just what I was thinking . 😂 Delighted to hear that James o Donoghue is back training.💚💛
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jun 4, 2021 13:23:03 GMT
Very harsh judging a new goalie on his kickouts in his first game ! Need time to get used to the lads who are out the field runs calls etc. I think he has been fine tbh not spectacularly good or bad. Nerves can get the most of lads particularly in there first few games for the county I actually think his kick outs have been very good the last two games. Especially against Dublin where we had a great tv angle to see exactly what the target was he was trying to hit and I must say i was impressed. I think it is still unclear what Kieran is like as regards high balls and shot stopping.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 4, 2021 19:29:09 GMT
I only saw now that Morley's red was upheld. Absolutely insane decision and I feel sorry for the lad.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 4, 2021 21:17:01 GMT
I only saw now that Morley's red was upheld. Absolutely insane decision and I feel sorry for the lad. Crazy decision to uphold it I could see why it might be given in real time. I also understand why we aren't appealing it as in the grand scheme this game is meaningless
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2021 21:46:13 GMT
I only saw now that Morley's red was upheld. Absolutely insane decision and I feel sorry for the lad. Crazy decision to uphold it I could see why it might be given in real time. I also understand why we aren't appealing it as in the grand scheme this game is meaningless Surely Kerry appealed if it was "upheld".
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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2021 22:10:36 GMT
I only saw now that Morley's red was upheld. Absolutely insane decision and I feel sorry for the lad. Crazy decision to uphold it I could see why it might be given in real time. I also understand why we aren't appealing it as in the grand scheme this game is meaningless The game mightn't be too important in itself but if, by some misfortune, he were to get red-carded again this year, the resultant ban would then be doubled. Or is that particular rule no longer in force? Scandalous decision by the GAA; the world and his mother knows that wasn't a red card in a million years. When you consider some of the stonewall cards that have gotten overturned down the years on the flimsiest of pretexts or on simple technicalities, well you really have to wonder. Maybe Tadhg should have worn an AIG shirt to the hearing.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 4, 2021 22:43:05 GMT
If Kerry play Dublin later this year, expect Joe to be rewarded with the top job. You can't reward someone who had a major decision overturned.
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Post by Premier on Jun 5, 2021 6:45:27 GMT
Crazy decision to uphold it I could see why it might be given in real time. I also understand why we aren't appealing it as in the grand scheme this game is meaningless The game mightn't be too important in itself but if, by some misfortune, he were to get red-carded again this year, the resultant ban would then be doubled. Or is that particular rule no longer in force? Scandalous decision by the GAA; the world and his mother knows that wasn't a red card in a million years. When you consider some of the stonewall cards that have gotten overturned down the years on the flimsiest of pretexts or on simple technicalities, well you really have to wonder. Maybe Tadhg should have worn an AIG shirt to the hearing. I wouldn’t think Morley thinks the game would be meaningless. He’s after not playing against Roscommon, missing again the next day. Not exactly ideal prep if he thinks he’s going to be full back for Clare
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Post by piggott on Jun 5, 2021 9:01:23 GMT
The "Striking or attempting to strike" rule has been amended to cover minimal force, force and causing injury.
(Cat III) Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand or knee with minimal force. The minimum penalty is a one-match suspension
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Post by taibhse on Jun 5, 2021 11:31:48 GMT
Suspending a Kerry defender for a robust tackle is as near to an oxymoron as you could possibly imagine.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 5, 2021 13:33:12 GMT
In the absence of TCB openly supporting him they are complicit with the decision, serious damage will be done if we lose to Tyrone by say a narrow margin!
Brolly would have 'em through the 4 courts by now.
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Post by southward on Jun 5, 2021 14:43:45 GMT
The "Striking or attempting to strike" rule has been amended to cover minimal force, force and causing injury. (Cat III) Striking or attempting to strike with arm, elbow, hand or knee with minimal force. The minimum penalty is a one-match suspension Colliding with someone isn't a strike though. A strike is throwing a dig or a boot. Morley did no such thing, just had his hands out, as a defender should, fairly low down at that. Arguably he didn't even foul; looked like Murphy's push that propelled the Roscommon player into him. Whatever about the ref in real time, no reasonable person with the benefit of repeat viewing could conclude that a red card is warranted here. This decision stinks to high heaven.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jun 5, 2021 21:28:00 GMT
I would appeal it if possible no maters how many weeks it takes If the ruling was wreckless endangerment I could see a case there But the contact was out of protection for oneself not a strike I agree that Morley ran in like a bat out of hell but Murtagh was dropping low before contact Definitely not a strike but self defence yes
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Post by Hicser on Jun 5, 2021 23:47:41 GMT
Not to be too hard on Morley but is the best FB, I think he gets caught out quite a lot? I always think for a really strong player he does not impose himself, a bit more scut is required, ala Mick Lyons or dublin Philly?
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 6, 2021 13:36:40 GMT
Not to be too hard on Morley but is the best FB, I think he gets caught out quite a lot? I always think for a really strong player he does not impose himself, a bit more scut is required, ala Mick Lyons or dublin Philly? Part of the problem here for Tadhg is that there may to be a bigger agenda in place as it appeared during the league the GAA is trying to stamp out two things introduced by Dublin, the deliberate accident (the only reason MDM was anywhere near an AI winning team) and pulling the elbows, (that appears to be the only offence committed on Dara Moynihan...). The referee was of the opinion he could have avoided the impact. Ironically this refereeing philosophy could be to Kerry's advantage before the year is out. I agree with Hicser. Tadhg does not appear to be confident about the no 3 spot and seems to be trying to make up for it by flying around the place head down, diving in, often out at the corner with no one minding the house so we see BO'B one on one with O'Callaghan at the edge of the small square and O'C rolls the ball to the net. Fullbacks are a special breed who usually have come up through the ranks not being the most skillful but have found their own way of getting respect. They mark their territory, stand square and tall, command the other defenders, sniff danger at an early stage but being of the mentality that they have developed there is never any need to panic. Tadhg is not that player. Jason Foley showed hints of that in the last game and I would like to see him get more time there.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 6, 2021 20:33:54 GMT
Not to be too hard on Morley but is the best FB, I think he gets caught out quite a lot? I always think for a really strong player he does not impose himself, a bit more scut is required, ala Mick Lyons or dublin Philly? Part of the problem here for Tadhg is that there may to be a bigger agenda in place as it appeared during the league the GAA is trying to stamp out two things introduced by Dublin, the deliberate accident (the only reason MDM was anywhere near an AI winning team) and pulling the elbows, (that appears to be the only offence committed on Dara Moynihan...). The referee was of the opinion he could have avoided the impact. Ironically this refereeing philosophy could be to Kerry's advantage before the year is out. I agree with Hicser. Tadhg does not appear to be confident about the no 3 spot and seems to be trying to make up for it by flying around the place head down, diving in, often out at the corner with no one minding the house so we see BO'B one on one with O'Callaghan at the edge of the small square and O'C rolls the ball to the net. Fullbacks are a special breed who usually have come up through the ranks not being the most skillful but have found their own way of getting respect. They mark their territory, stand square and tall, command the other defenders, sniff danger at an early stage but being of the mentality that they have developed there is never any need to panic. Tadhg is not that player. Jason Foley showed hints of that in the last game and I would like to see him get more time there. I agree on Tadhg possibly not being our most effective full back - I would love to see Mike Breen @ 3 next weekend- he is fast, strong & seems to be a very tight marker - ideal game to experiment.
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Post by taggert on Jun 6, 2021 22:10:39 GMT
I think Kerry's defence is somewhat lightweight - from an All Ireland winning perspective (i.e. beating Dublin) and it has seen Peter erringly toy with defensive options in the half forward line prior to this season. He needs to sort it at source. We lack height and power in defense - White, Murphy, Tom and Begley are all relatively small while Crowley and Morley are not infinitely bigger. Of course size isn't everything but I firmly believe the balance is wrong in our defence. Sherwood must be given a run from the start v Tyrone as he has the attributes - size, speed and skills. Happy to see more of Mike Breen and others too as I think we need to find a better balance at the back....
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Post by tonydorigo on Jun 8, 2021 12:34:55 GMT
Very harsh judging a new goalie on his kickouts in his first game ! Need time to get used to the lads who are out the field runs calls etc. I think he has been fine tbh not spectacularly good or bad. Nerves can get the most of lads particularly in there first few games for the county I don't mean to be abusing a lad from a height or anything as I know that they will be nervous etc. Just my take on it anyway. Like I said, I hope he proves me wrong!
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Post by tonydorigo on Jun 8, 2021 13:31:06 GMT
Team for the weekend: 1. Fitzgibbon- for lack of better option 2. Graham O'Sullivan- give him a chance to make up for Roscommon game 3. Foley- has actually seemed solid so far this year 4. Tom O'Sullivan- first choice, needs games 5. Paul Murphy 6. Morley/Sherwood- Could be a good time to experiment as I don't know if Crowley is a stopper centre back 7. Gavin White 8. O'Connor- consoliating his place 9. Moran- Barry to replace with 25 to go 10. Moynihan 11. O'Shea 12. O'Brien 13. Clifford 14. Geaney/Spillane 15. Clifford eile
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Post by kerryeastcoastusa on Jun 8, 2021 17:38:59 GMT
Team for the weekend: 1. Fitzgibbon- for lack of better option 2. Graham O'Sullivan- give him a chance to make up for Roscommon game 3. Foley- has actually seemed solid so far this year 4. Tom O'Sullivan- first choice, needs games 5. Paul Murphy 6. Morley/Sherwood- Could be a good time to experiment as I don't know if Crowley is a stopper centre back 7. Gavin White 8. O'Connor- consoliating his place 9. Moran- Barry to replace with 25 to go 10. Moynihan 11. O'Shea 12. O'Brien 13. Clifford 14. Geaney/Spillane 15. Clifford eile No need for that comment in relation to our goalkeeper. Bar the Galway game his kickouts have been the best of any Kerry keeper over the past few years.
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Post by tbrosnan on Jun 9, 2021 3:10:43 GMT
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Post by tbrosnan on Jun 9, 2021 3:12:01 GMT
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Post by tbrosnan on Jun 9, 2021 3:17:21 GMT
is the team against tyrone be announced thank you T B
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 9, 2021 6:31:38 GMT
'Half the teams playing this weekend have only two games left in their year – this one and the first round of the championship'- from DO'6 in Irish Times.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 9, 2021 8:16:44 GMT
is the team against tyrone be announced thank you T B I imagine the team will be announced at 8pm Friday evening whether the game is Saturday or Sunday. The Galway game was a Saturday and the team was announced the night before.
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Post by tpo on Jun 9, 2021 8:46:48 GMT
Anyone with access to Darragh Ó Se's article could they please post
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Post by pony on Jun 9, 2021 9:50:23 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: No time for shadow boxing with championship imminent
Ordinarily, you wouldn’t be getting too excited about a weekend of league semi-finals.
There have been years when teams would do a heavy block of training – I’m talking barbaric stuff, crying for momma by the end of it type of thing – and management would nearly have to be reminded that they have to throw out a 15 for a league semi-final at the end of it. Nobody’s year ever depended on what happened in a league semi-final.
Off the top of your head, would you be able to say which years had them and which didn’t? Not a hope. Some years it was straight into a final, some years there might even be quarter-finals to negotiate somewhere along the way.
You’d play them in early April and it could be the third week of June before you had a championship match to worry about. There was no link whatsoever between them and the real stuff.
It’s a different story this year. Go down through the divisions – between league semi-finals and relegation play-offs, there isn’t a game that doesn’t matter on some level this weekend. Even if the finals aren’t going to be played, you’re still talking about serious games for just about everybody. The GAA might have fallen on this format by accident but in fairness it has left everyone with something to play for.
Even more crucially, there’s no time lag worth talking about between now and championship. It leaves no real room for shadow boxing or experimenting. The time for learning on the job is gone now, realistically.
Half the teams playing this weekend have only two games left in their year – this one and the first round of the championship. If you’re not going full pelt over the next fortnight or three weeks, it’s seven or eight months before you get another shot at it.
It’s a mistake to think of this weekend as just the last round of league games. I get the sense that people are so conditioned to thinking of the league as a completely separate thing from the championship that they feel as if there’s loads of time yet to get things sorted.
You’d hear people talking about the Kerry defence and going: “Well, they’ll have to work on that for the summer.” And you’re thinking, “Look outside – summer’s here!”
I don’t think anyone’s in a position right now to try out somebody new or to give some of the older fellas an afternoon in out of the sun. Even though it feels like the season only started five minutes ago, there has to be a level of urgency in everything teams do at this stage.
If you have a good idea for your kick-out strategy, you’d want to have it fairly well stress-tested by now. If you have half a notion of switching your midfielder to full-forward and you haven’t tried it already, it’s probably too late to be able to analyse the full effect of it. In other years, a league semi-final would be a grand place to try something. If it worked, great. If it didn’t, well nobody died.
Darragh Ó Sé: Dublin deserve credit for driving standards up across the board Darragh Ó Sé: Little to be optimistic about in Kerry shipping four goals to Dublin Darragh Ó Sé: Dublin as far ahead of pack as they ever were Championship games You can’t do that this weekend. These games are, to all intents and purposes, championship games. Everyone got their taste last winter of what a knock-out championship is like. It focused everyone’s minds. If you go into the last weekend of June or the first weekend of July without all your bases covered, it’s all over before you’ve got your feet under you.
Summer football is a different sport to winter football. It takes different attributes. The ball moves faster, it sticks better, it goes further. You have to make different adjustments to when and how you kick the ball. You have to get to the point of being able to make those decisions automatically. The faster you think, the harder you are to stop.
There’s no such thing as a bad win over Dublin, no matter how it comes about I used to do a kicking drill in the summer in Killarney where I would come onto the ball and shoot from just past the 45. I wanted to be like a golfer taking out a particular club from the bag and knowing exactly how far it would travel with a full strike. I didn’t want to be taking a bit off it or forcing it – I wanted to hit that spot on the pitch and know that all it would take was a clean kick and I should score.
But when it came around to the winter time, I stopped doing it. That wasn’t my game in the winter months. On soft pitches, in wind and rain, Kerry had enough scorers inside who needed me to get them the ball to win league games. I would have only been annoying myself – and them – trying to kick points like that in February. The time to perfect those kicks was June to September.
Last year’s championship was played in league conditions. Even Croke Park, as beautiful as that pitch is, behaves in a different way in the winter than it does in summer. It cut up more than usual, it was slippier than it’s ever been. The fog came rolling in one night, the rain came down sideways another. Everything about it was the opposite of championship.
And now it has all flipped on its head again. You have a league weekend coming up that has a championship feel. This is summer football. There’s no low-scoring slugging matches. No games decided by who gets the gale behind them in the first half and builds up a score. If you’re good enough now to catch the eye, you’ll probably be good enough when it all kicks off in a fortnight’s time. If you’re not, you won’t be.
There’s no room for excuses from here on out. Plenty of lads have picked up injuries as a result of the short amount of preparation time but to some extent, that’s the cost of doing business this year.
You could maybe ease yourself back in over the first week or two but the there’s no room for 75-per-cent efforts now. Nobody is going to get a whole pile fitter from here on out. What you are now, you are for the summer.
The upshot of it all will be some serious games this weekend, even if they might not have been that big a deal in other years. Dublin against Donegal in Cavan on Saturday night is an obvious one. Donegal have had plenty of years where they found themselves in the knock-out stages of the league by default and have barely broken a sweat when they got there. I can’t see that being the case here.
A benchmark For one thing, Donegal have looked very committed throughout the league. Playing without Michael Murphy has done them no harm at all – they’re going to have to get used to it some day so why not start now?
His influence on them is still massive – you can see him leading the way during the water breaks, driving home the points they had been making to each other in training, cajoling fellas and talking them through what’s needed. You can see what he still means to them. Nobody is wandering off or picking at his boots while Murphy is talking.
But more to the point, Donegal will want to use Dublin as a benchmark for what they’ve done so far this year. They’ve had three games against the best teams in Ulster but all those teams know what to expect from each other at this stage. There are no shocks or surprises between Donegal, Tyrone, Monaghan and Armagh.
A game against the Dubs is different. It’s a chance to see what’s going on out in the rest of the world. But it’s also a chance to take a scalp. There’s no such thing as a bad win over Dublin, no matter how it comes about. But especially if they managed to pull it off this close to championship. You couldn’t send away for a better launchpad for the Ulster championship.
The one thing Donegal can be sure of is that Dublin will send out the artillery against them.
Stephen Cluxton has been slow to come back this year but read through the teamsheets from the first three games and you can see how seriously they’re taking it. Look who has started every game – Brian Fenton, James McCarthy, Ciarán Kilkenny, Con O’Callaghan, Niall Scully, Davy Byrne, Cormac Costello.
The likes of Kerry, Galway, Tyrone and Monaghan have to make their mark this time around, otherwise that’s two years of football gone in the blink of an eye Depending on whether Dean Rock comes back in for Costello, that’s the meat of the Dublin team. The winning and losing of the All-Ireland will come down to that core group. None of them are taking a day off here and there, nobody is phoning it in. Con has probably been the player of the league, Fenton and Kilkenny never take a minute off, McCarthy is the same animal he’s been for a decade, Scully is the engine that never turns off.
That list of players who have gone for it in every game tells you that Dublin aren’t taking this league anyway lightly. They see it as an extension of the championship this year, a chance to build themselves up to taking a run at a seventh All-Ireland in a row. And if that’s the way they’re doing it, nobody else can afford to go any less hard at it.
Because time has never moved quicker in the football championship than in the past nine months. Teams that got knocked out of last year’s championship at the first attempt are under huge pressure here. The likes of Kerry, Galway, Tyrone and Monaghan have to make their mark this time around, otherwise that’s two years of football gone in the blink of an eye.
No back-door run, no second chance. You either do it in the next month or you stand there having to explain what you did with two years of management.
It’s not fair, given everything that has happened. But it’s the way it is. And it starts this weekend.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 9, 2021 11:39:01 GMT
I only saw now that Morley's red was upheld. Absolutely insane decision and I feel sorry for the lad. Bizarre when you think back on the red cards Cork and Dublin appealed successfully over the years. The rule seems to be that no matter you do in a semi-final we'll let you off as we don't want to deny any poor fella the chance of playing in a final. But don't they realise this league semi-final is a final for Kerry - win it and they're declared (joint) champions.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 9, 2021 15:01:54 GMT
Maybe one of the Naries on here would ask their clubman to explain the Morley decision to us.
Central Appeals Committee Chair: Matt Shaw, Clonkill GAA CLub (Westmeath), Julie Galbraith, Buncrana GAA Club (Donegal), Neil Sheridan, Balla GAA Club (Mayo), Willie O’ Connor, Terence O’Rahilly’s Tralee (Kerry), Tom Farrell, Tang GAA Club (Westmeath), Eddie Hughes, Raonaithe na Croise (Armagh), Paul Foley, Patrickswell GAA Club (Limerick), Gerry Kavanagh, Stradbally GAA (Laois), Enda Tiernan, Cloone GAA Club (Leitrim).
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