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Post by dart on Sept 24, 2019 8:52:35 GMT
Ref saw it in the replay and just slapped his hands together indicating it was just a coming together.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Sept 24, 2019 9:14:41 GMT
I hope Gavin stays on. He's a brilliant manager but it would make it all the sweeter to dethrone Dublin with him and Cluxton still there.
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Post by bedlamite on Sept 24, 2019 9:17:48 GMT
I’m not sure if we need a new rule for this Not sure if we need a black card for this either Just if referees could recognize this is happening and give the free If it’s a repeat fouling situation then a yellow I think refs are not calling it because they are not seeing it
It probably needs a new rule as the existing rule requires a collision to occur. Suggested wording of new rule.
Foul. To intentionally run between a defending player and an attacking player, who has ball in hand. Free to defending players team.
No need of a black card, just a free out.
It will require the attacking player to have more skill to shoot, give the defending player an even chance, speed up the play as some teams are recycling the ball, waiting for this incident to happen before they shoot.
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Post by exiled on Sept 24, 2019 12:08:21 GMT
When we do finally beat them we want Stephen on the team . We won’t be wanting to hear any excuses A week later still can’t accept why we didn’t do ourselves justice we are way better than that and our lads know it. If we got we’ll beaten it would be a lot easier to take But some more composure in front of goal and it’s a different game . This is a reoccurring theme teams often over focus on fitness and systems and out foxing the Dubs how about start with Working on you scoring and game in front of goals Most fashionable coaching sets ups now don’t seems to work on shooting comprehensively only giving it token amount of time More or less saying you can either score or you can’t It’s not sexy to work on scoring this is throughput all clubs Ironically a defender scored the most important goal for Dublin and our full back nearly got one for us Emphasize ing the importance of all players from 1 to 15 needing to work at lest one hour per week on scoring and scoring patterns and drills and set plays I think 6pt defeat is being well beaten. Dublin never looked in danger after the goal. I turned to my friend beside me and said as much. Dublin far too professional and consistent to get caught twice in a row.. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 24, 2019 12:12:29 GMT
I’m not sure if we need a new rule for this Not sure if we need a black card for this either Just if referees could recognize this is happening and give the free If it’s a repeat fouling situation then a yellow I think refs are not calling it because they are not seeing it
It probably needs a new rule as the existing rule requires a collision to occur. Suggested wording of new rule.
Foul. To intentionally run between a defending player and an attacking player, who has ball in hand. Free to defending players team.
No need of a black card, just a free out.
It will require the attacking player to have more skill to shoot, give the defending player an even chance, speed up the play as some teams are recycling the ball, waiting for this incident to happen before they shoot.
I think this is unreffable. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 24, 2019 12:13:35 GMT
When we do finally beat them we want Stephen on the team . We won’t be wanting to hear any excuses A week later still can’t accept why we didn’t do ourselves justice we are way better than that and our lads know it. If we got we’ll beaten it would be a lot easier to take But some more composure in front of goal and it’s a different game . This is a reoccurring theme teams often over focus on fitness and systems and out foxing the Dubs how about start with Working on you scoring and game in front of goals Most fashionable coaching sets ups now don’t seems to work on shooting comprehensively only giving it token amount of time More or less saying you can either score or you can’t It’s not sexy to work on scoring this is throughput all clubs Ironically a defender scored the most important goal for Dublin and our full back nearly got one for us Emphasize ing the importance of all players from 1 to 15 needing to work at lest one hour per week on scoring and scoring patterns and drills and set plays I think 6pt defeat is being well beaten. Dublin never looked in danger after the goal. I turned to my friend beside me and said as much. Dublin far too professional and consistent to get caught twice in a row.. I thought, having watched the first half, that Kerry would win. Right up to about minute 60. Probably delusional. |
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Post by augustafield on Sept 24, 2019 17:32:17 GMT
Agree with Annascaul - unreffable . With the speed of the present
Game and most matches full on - a fifteen man game with forwards
defending and backs attacking interchanging positions all the time -
a Ref would want eyes in the back of his head to monitor all that’s
going on .
If you can’t beat them join them - that’s the only remedy . Be as good
as them . Gamesmanship is the key and the Dubs are masters at it.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Sept 24, 2019 18:03:42 GMT
Agree with Annascaul - unreffable . With the speed of the present Game and most matches full on - a fifteen man game with forwards defending and backs attacking interchanging positions all the time - a Ref would want eyes in the back of his head to monitor all that’s going on . If you can’t beat them join them - that’s the only remedy . Be as good as them . Gamesmanship is the key and the Dubs are masters at it. I’ve seen referees call it in juvenile leagues and you know why ? Because all young basketball players are conditioned to block for their shooters and refs look for it and refs who know what to look for are calling it . It’s a variation of the body check the body check is rare now why , because after many years of neglect it’s finally been addressed . Set the boundaries and it can be achieved but your right until such time as its penalized then you’d be nieve if you didn’t do it . |
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Post by colinsworth1 on Sept 24, 2019 18:21:15 GMT
When we do finally beat them we want Stephen on the team . We won’t be wanting to hear any excuses A week later still can’t accept why we didn’t do ourselves justice we are way better than that and our lads know it. If we got we’ll beaten it would be a lot easier to take But some more composure in front of goal and it’s a different game . This is a reoccurring theme teams often over focus on fitness and systems and out foxing the Dubs how about start with Working on you scoring and game in front of goals Most fashionable coaching sets ups now don’t seems to work on shooting comprehensively only giving it token amount of time More or less saying you can either score or you can’t It’s not sexy to work on scoring this is throughput all clubs Ironically a defender scored the most important goal for Dublin and our full back nearly got one for us Emphasize ing the importance of all players from 1 to 15 needing to work at lest one hour per week on scoring and scoring patterns and drills and set plays I think 6pt defeat is being well beaten. Dublin never looked in danger after the goal. I turned to my friend beside me and said as much. Dublin far too professional and consistent to get caught twice in a row.. I can see why people feel 6 pts was a good beating Thats the broadly held view totally understandable But my viewpoint is we beat ourselves if we were well beaten then it was by ourselves as much as it was by the opposition 10 missed points that were totally legit shots totally scoreable They were unforced errors that’s what they were . The Narrative should be how in the name of god we’re Dubs so porous in defence that we got all those clearcut chances And three goal chances neither of which we took . Dublin should be licking their wounds this week accepting that they allowed way too many shots on goal . I’m not bitter at all about just dissapointed that a Kerry team could go to Croke park and shoot like an average club team . |
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 24, 2019 21:07:02 GMT
I think 6pt defeat is being well beaten. Dublin never looked in danger after the goal. I turned to my friend beside me and said as much. Dublin far too professional and consistent to get caught twice in a row.. I can see why people feel 6 pts was a good beating Thats the broadly held view totally understandable But my viewpoint is we beat ourselves if we were well beaten then it was by ourselves as much as it was by the opposition 10 missed points that were totally legit shots totally scoreable They were unforced errors that’s what they were . The Narrative should be how in the name of god we’re Dubs so porous in defence that we got all those clearcut chances And three goal chances neither of which we took . Dublin should be licking their wounds this week accepting that they allowed way too many shots on goal . I’m not bitter at all about just dissapointed that a Kerry team could go to Croke park and shoot like an average club team . Over the two days Kerrys scoring efficiency were as bad as 2014 the final. Or the 2000 replay....remember the rake of wides that day. Or 1981 before Jackos goal. With this Dublin team you wont get away with it. Lots of Kerrys teams played far worse and won. |
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 25, 2019 3:52:43 GMT
Commiserations, tough to take after weathering the early storm. At halftime I thought it was set up for one of the all-time great games but the key factors in the way it panned out for me were:
Kerry were using purely counter-attack and couldn't keep up the deep defending forever, and they expended huge energy to stay in touch in the first place.
Bad wides from Kerry, I think David Moran hit three at different stages of the match? Normally he's the guy hitting the ones that either drive his team on, or get them back into it.
I said here before the game that I couldn't see Kerry improve much in terms of missed chances, or overall score total.
Long-ball tactic from Kerry, completely demoralising to their team and supporters, I was gobsmacked they went with that. Especially when it became a thing done whilst on the back foot.
Dublin imposed themselves physically on the game more than Kerry, a reverse to some extent on the first day. Overall being more physically mature this was an advantage waiting to happen.
Dublin's older statesmen who played a significant part in the games showed the ravenous desire for the battle to at least match their mostly younger opponents, which I said before would be needed.
Overall Kerry made huge progress on where they were last year, and O'Shea and Clifford come out of it as bona fide stars. Jack Barry has fully arrived. Significant improvement in the backs/system and great faith shown, not panic changes.
Next year they will have to consolidate which is a big challenge in itself.
Biggest factor for Dublin is whether Gavin stays on, I think as long as he's able for the commitment I think he'll go on as long as Cluxton does.
Gavin is ñot replaceable by a long shot. But we need to graft in a replacement before we become completely dependent on him. I'm not altogether worried about Steveo finishing up, I think we'll find a different style of play to suit whoever replaces him. We have a tradition of class goalies and I hope we can maintain that.
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Post by veteran on Sept 25, 2019 9:03:48 GMT
Rashers, gracious post as usual . Congratulations once more. It is a great time to be a Dublin football follower after a lot of demoralising days in the not too distant past. Enjoy it while it lasts as inevitably it will end, as all things do.
No excuse in this quarter. The better team won, comfortably at the finish. Great champions rarely foul up on the second day. Heartbreaking for us of course but as the bleeding has eased the realistic among us appreciate the wonderful year we have had. Inexperienced management, presiding over so many raw players , notwithstanding a sprinkling of stardust, gave us more than we dared hope for at the beginning of the year. 2020 seems a long way away now but still I am bursting with anticipation.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 25, 2019 13:04:09 GMT
Commiserations, tough to take after weathering the early storm. At halftime I thought it was set up for one of the all-time great games but the key factors in the way it panned out for me were: Kerry were using purely counter-attack and couldn't keep up the deep defending forever, and they expended huge energy to stay in touch in the first place. Bad wides from Kerry, I think David Moran hit three at different stages of the match? Normally he's the guy hitting the ones that either drive his team on, or get them back into it. I said here before the game that I couldn't see Kerry improve much in terms of missed chances, or overall score total. Long-ball tactic from Kerry, completely demoralising to their team and supporters, I was gobsmacked they went with that. Especially when it became a thing done whilst on the back foot.
Dublin imposed themselves physically on the game more than Kerry, a reverse to some extent on the first day. Overall being more physically mature this was an advantage waiting to happen.
Dublin's older statesmen who played a significant part in the games showed the ravenous desire for the battle to at least match their mostly younger opponents, which I said before would be needed. Overall Kerry made huge progress on where they were last year, and O'Shea and Clifford come out of it as bona fide stars. Jack Barry has fully arrived. Significant improvement in the backs/system and great faith shown, not panic changes. Next year they will have to consolidate which is a big challenge in itself. Biggest factor for Dublin is whether Gavin stays on, I think as long as he's able for the commitment I think he'll go on as long as Cluxton does. Gavin is ñot replaceable by a long shot. But we need to graft in a replacement before we become completely dependent on him. I'm not altogether worried about Steveo finishing up, I think we'll find a different style of play to suit whoever replaces him. We have a tradition of class goalies and I hope we can maintain that. Like Veteran, well done on the victory fully deserved, showed true champion form. In relation to the highlighted points above, I would add: The long ball tactic was intended to catch Dublin unawares in the absence of Tommy Walsh - the intended target was Paul Geaney who would have had an advantage in the air over Davy Byrne - it only needed to work once to attain its goal ( no pun intended) - that it did not work was partially down to Dublin dropping a man back and also to David Cliffords close positioning to Paul G - for the isolation to work, ball in needed to be faster and also Clifford needed to be much further away from Paul G. The physical strength of the Dubs really manifested itself in the second half - Paul Murphy came off second best in a few challenges as did Gavin Crowley in one particular incident with Brian Fenton - also, Brian O'Beaglaoich suffered from some heavy collisons - this was crucial in Kerry's demise as our entire half back line finished the game on the bench - another winter of S & C could eliminate this anomaly. Again, well done and enjoy your celebrations. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 25, 2019 14:00:46 GMT
Commiserations, tough to take after weathering the early storm. At halftime I thought it was set up for one of the all-time great games but the key factors in the way it panned out for me were: Kerry were using purely counter-attack and couldn't keep up the deep defending forever, and they expended huge energy to stay in touch in the first place. Bad wides from Kerry, I think David Moran hit three at different stages of the match? Normally he's the guy hitting the ones that either drive his team on, or get them back into it. I said here before the game that I couldn't see Kerry improve much in terms of missed chances, or overall score total. Long-ball tactic from Kerry, completely demoralising to their team and supporters, I was gobsmacked they went with that. Especially when it became a thing done whilst on the back foot.
Dublin imposed themselves physically on the game more than Kerry, a reverse to some extent on the first day. Overall being more physically mature this was an advantage waiting to happen.
Dublin's older statesmen who played a significant part in the games showed the ravenous desire for the battle to at least match their mostly younger opponents, which I said before would be needed. Overall Kerry made huge progress on where they were last year, and O'Shea and Clifford come out of it as bona fide stars. Jack Barry has fully arrived. Significant improvement in the backs/system and great faith shown, not panic changes. Next year they will have to consolidate which is a big challenge in itself. Biggest factor for Dublin is whether Gavin stays on, I think as long as he's able for the commitment I think he'll go on as long as Cluxton does. Gavin is ñot replaceable by a long shot. But we need to graft in a replacement before we become completely dependent on him. I'm not altogether worried about Steveo finishing up, I think we'll find a different style of play to suit whoever replaces him. We have a tradition of class goalies and I hope we can maintain that. Like Veteran, well done on the victory fully deserved, showed true champion form. In relation to the highlighted points above, I would add: The long ball tactic was intended to catch Dublin unawares in the absence of Tommy Walsh - the intended target was Paul Geaney who would have had an advantage in the air over Davy Byrne - it only needed to work once to attain its goal ( no pun intended) - that it did not work was partially down to Dublin dropping a man back and also to David Cliffords close positioning to Paul G - for the isolation to work, ball in needed to be faster and also Clifford needed to be much further away from Paul G. The physical strength of the Dubs really manifested itself in the second half - Paul Murphy came off second best in a few challenges as did Gavin Crowley in one particular incident with Brian Fenton - also, Brian O'Beaglaoich suffered from some heavy collisons - this was crucial in Kerry's demise as our entire half back line finished the game on the bench - another winter of S & C could eliminate this anomaly. Again, well done and enjoy your celebrations. Re: the proximity of Clifford to Geaney. Is this a little Catch 22? Isolated forwards mean no breaks. My reading was that Kerry could have won a break (or two) from the initial bombardment and done damage there. That this did not materalise - due to luck or a deficit in the quality of the kicking in - does not mean in my opinion that this was a bad tactic. |
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 25, 2019 14:09:33 GMT
Like Veteran, well done on the victory fully deserved, showed true champion form. In relation to the highlighted points above, I would add: The long ball tactic was intended to catch Dublin unawares in the absence of Tommy Walsh - the intended target was Paul Geaney who would have had an advantage in the air over Davy Byrne - it only needed to work once to attain its goal ( no pun intended) - that it did not work was partially down to Dublin dropping a man back and also to David Cliffords close positioning to Paul G - for the isolation to work, ball in needed to be faster and also Clifford needed to be much further away from Paul G. The physical strength of the Dubs really manifested itself in the second half - Paul Murphy came off second best in a few challenges as did Gavin Crowley in one particular incident with Brian Fenton - also, Brian O'Beaglaoich suffered from some heavy collisons - this was crucial in Kerry's demise as our entire half back line finished the game on the bench - another winter of S & C could eliminate this anomaly. Again, well done and enjoy your celebrations. Re: the proximity of Clifford to Geaney. Is this a little Catch 22? Exposed forwards mean no breaks. My reading was that Kerry could have won a break (or two) from the initial bombardment and done damage there. That this did not materalise - due to luck or a deficit in the quality of the kicking in - does not mean in my opinion that this was a bad tactic. I think the tactic was good, a surprise but Geaney & Clifford being in close proximity to each other did not work - I agree on the breaking ball it was better to have them close but we needed to make the sweeper redundant & did not do that. |
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Post by dano on Sept 25, 2019 16:39:50 GMT
Well Done to yous Rashers. Great team there and, as Veteran said, once the initial pain of defeat went away we realize that we were in double bonus territory reaching a Final replay. Enjoy the Winter.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 26, 2019 2:18:18 GMT
Fair play and generous beyond the call of duty. Despite some mistakes, as everyone makes, I was very impressed with PK and co. Nothing is guaranteed but these guys seem like a different dynamic to previous, a better one. What it will mean I haven't a clue but it is exactly what struck me about him and the way they seem to work together.
Next year will be a harder job in some ways and so they will need to be very tight.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 28, 2019 12:23:15 GMT
PK has now assumed the role of King Canute trying to stop the tide. A blue tide.
It will be a stunning achievement if he manages to win one or two All Irelands in the next say 6 years, (assuming he stays that long as he has a business to run).
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Post by dedub on Sept 28, 2019 15:28:11 GMT
Two brilliant teams ends of story!!
Dublin just better at the moment....physically their conditioning is above that of any other team....even Mayo. Kerry have more marquee forwards than Mayo but are less physical.
The skill levels of Kerry are amazing BUT they need a better defence before they take away Dublin's crown. Dublin won by six points but they could easily have won by ten or more in the end as they had far more goal chances in the second match than Kerry.
I will be heading down to Kerry next year please God for some fly fishing...hopefully I can discuss Dublin v Kerry with a few locals.
Good luck everybody.
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Post by dano on Sept 28, 2019 16:47:51 GMT
Absolute rubbish that Dublin could've won by 10. That kind of gloating is unnecessary. The final score actually flattered Dublin. Enjoy the fishing.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Sept 29, 2019 7:49:37 GMT
Two brilliant teams ends of story!! Dublin just better at the moment....physically their conditioning is above that of any other team....even Mayo. Kerry have more marquee forwards than Mayo but are less physical. The skill levels of Kerry are amazing BUT they need a better defence before they take away Dublin's crown. Dublin won by six points but they could easily have won by ten or more in the end as they had far more goal chances in the second match than Kerry. I will be heading down to Kerry next year please God for some fly fishing...hopefully I can discuss Dublin v Kerry with a few locals. Good luck everybody. Just don't say they could have won by ten, obviously saying that would go down v well with kerry people😂😂enjoy fishing |
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Post by kerryfanatic on Sept 29, 2019 7:50:45 GMT
Absolute rubbish that Dublin could've won by 10. That kind of gloating is unnecessary. The final score actually flattered Dublin. Enjoy the fishing. Agree with u on this |
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Post by glengael on Sept 29, 2019 11:44:08 GMT
Possibly time to close this thread now. we're hardly going to get anymore enlightened about the match.
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Post by shortkickout on Oct 3, 2019 0:34:56 GMT
There isn’t enough townies on the kerry team youl win f all against the dubs with a team full of mocks , go through the great kerry teams of the past there was a lovely balanced blend that worked, crokes seem to be flying over the past few years you’d hardly think so looking at the last few starting kerry teams . There’s surely more potential lying around the town teams in Tralee and killarney than What is being shown . Surely keane isn’t biased , bar the legion Lads of course
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 3, 2019 5:21:52 GMT
There isn’t enough townies on the kerry team youl win f all against the dubs with a team full of mocks , go through the great kerry teams of the past there was a lovely balanced blend that worked, crokes seem to be flying over the past few years you’d hardly think so looking at the last few starting kerry teams . There’s surely more potential lying around the town teams in Tralee and killarney than What is being shown . Surely keane isn’t biased , bar the legion Lads of course Not that I necessarily agree with you, but the changes to the AI Club should help e.g. Crokes players get a better run of it in the league. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 3, 2019 15:29:01 GMT
Looking forward to seeing up to half a dozen of the young Crokes players playing NFL in 2020.
Any NFL fixtures floating about yet?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 25, 2019 14:22:45 GMT
Bernard Brogan retires.
I always admired him. Totally clean.
He could turn and kick a point in the tightest of situations.
7 All Ireland medals.
You would have got long odds on that in this time in 2009.
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