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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 13, 2019 7:15:59 GMT
If Kerry go too defensive they don't win. We'll need a minimum of 22 points to win in my opinion - whether that is 1-18 like Sunday or 3-12 or whatever.
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Post by briano5144 on Aug 13, 2019 7:43:35 GMT
I think people are really talking down this Kerry defense. I believe we will see a major improvement on the day and think we are more suited to marking a forward line like Dublin rather than the Tyrone and Donegals of this world. I know this is left field but I would start Jack Barry on Fenton and just track him and annoy him as much as possible. Moran is unreal but think that there is a conflict in styles. In other news, what hotel are the kerry team staying in. Want to book somewhere near for the celebration.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:00:44 GMT
I think people are really talking down this Kerry defense. I believe we will see a major improvement on the day and think we are more suited to marking a forward line like Dublin rather than the Tyrone and Donegals of this world. I know this is left field but I would start Jack Barry on Fenton and just track him and annoy him as much as possible. Moran is unreal but think that there is a conflict in styles. In other news, what hotel are the kerry team staying in. Want to book somewhere near for the celebration. Great stuff, I love the confidence. Barry on Fenton, a bit leftfield alright😜😜
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Post by glengael on Aug 13, 2019 8:34:54 GMT
I think people are really talking down this Kerry defense. I believe we will see a major improvement on the day and think we are more suited to marking a forward line like Dublin rather than the Tyrone and Donegals of this world. I know this is left field but I would start Jack Barry on Fenton and just track him and annoy him as much as possible. Moran is unreal but think that there is a conflict in styles. In other news, what hotel are the kerry team staying in. Want to book somewhere near for the celebration. Yerra, they had nothing booked but I have it on good authority that they will go with Air B & B for the Final. Hotels are so last century don't you know.
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Post by himself on Aug 13, 2019 9:04:48 GMT
Eamonn Fitzmaurice: Why David Gough shouldn't referee Dublin-Kerry finalwww.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/eamonn-fitzmaurice-why-david-gough-shouldnt-referee-dublin-kerry-final-943400.htmlFormer Kerry manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice believes it would be wrong if Meath referee David Gough is nominated by the GAA to handle next month’s All-Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry. Gough and his fellow Meath man David Coldrick are considered favourites to get the nod for the September 1 decider, when Dublin will be bidding for an historic fifth All-Ireland title in a row. But the fact that Gough lives and works in the capital should disqualify him from consideration, believes Fitzmaurice. Guesting on this week’s Irish Examiner GAA podcast, Fitzmaurice disagreed with former referee Brian Gavin in yesterday’s Examiner that it would be wrong to overlook Gough. “I think it’s an injustice if he does get the game,” said the Finuge man. “I am not going to be dictating here who I feel should get the game, but a final referee has to be a neutral referee. "Living and working in Dublin, you are not neutral. If you are living there, you are meeting people in the shop, at work, down the street." “Of course when David Gough goes out to referee a match he is trying to be neutral and impartial, I am not questioning that, but it can’t be fair that if you are living and working in a place, that you get to referee an All-Ireland final involving that county. “It’s tough on him, he is a very good referee, and Dublin are there every year. (But) I do genuinely think from his own perspective, there’s huge pressure on him. I wouldn’t look on it as punishing him. If you live and work in a place it rules you out. It’s very hard in that instance. If Kerry get a couple of calls (in the final), he is going to have a miserable winter listening to Dubs telling him he denied them the five in a row.” Fitzmaurice was Kerry manager for the epic All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin in 2016, when a crucial late hit from Dublin’s Kevin McManamon on Peter Crowley was missed by Gough, denying Kerry a free to potentially level the game in the last minute. READ MORE 'The black card in the Meath game was very harsh' - Kerry to appeal Stephen O'Brien suspension Gough apologised for the error afterwards - “I know I got it wrong. I didn’t get it wrong on purpose, I just didn’t see it” he said - but Fitzmaurice says it was one of several “wrong calls” from him on the day. “I don’t think he has refereed a Dublin-Kerry game since.” However, Cork manager Ronan McCarthy, also on the Examiner GAA podcast, countered by insisting: “I think he is an outstanding referee, I really do. He did our (first Super 8) game against Dublin and you can always have a whinge. Dublin got a goal, it was 30 seconds over the allotted first-half injury time, but we didn’t defend it properly and we should have seen it out to half time. He’s a top referee, you pick your top refs for a game of this stature and I feel should be in the mix for it.” Fitzmaurice should keep his mouth shut here. This is not about a particular game or decision so bringing up 2016 is very unhelpful
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Post by homerj on Aug 13, 2019 9:06:42 GMT
If Kerry go too defensive they don't win. one thing weve learned from Peter Keane is that he does not go defensive. we will go out and play the Kerry way.
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Post by himself on Aug 13, 2019 9:14:54 GMT
kerryguy, very well said and I could not agree more. I have enormous respect for Eamonn, I have had the privilege of meeting him personally on several occasions and have great time for him as a person and as a manager/analyst of the game. But I don't feel that this article reflects well on him. Frankly, I haven't been at any game between Kerry and Dublin where the referee made the difference - Dublin have been the better side in our match-ups in recent years and the narrow margins of victory have usually slightly flattered us. They are a great team, but we are closer than we have been in a long time and hopefully close enough to pass them before the finish line. I don't believe that will come down to the referee, or that it ever did before in any final. To be honest, I genuinely feel that people who whinge about Gough or 'Dublin Joe' (an insult in my opinion to a man who has given more to the GAA than many online posters and, like most referees, always does his best in games that are very tough to officiate simply because of the speed, power, and lack of clear definition in some rules such as legitimate tackling and intent in black card offences). It always sounds to me like lads trying to make excuses early. Win, lose, or draw, I'll happily shake the hand of any Dublin supporter before or after the game. In between, bring it on. A team will win this year's All Ireland Final. Not any referee.
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Post by homerj on Aug 13, 2019 9:26:14 GMT
theres mad hype around Dublin.....i see lads talking about winning margins of 10+ points. probably the biggest betting odds for a 2nd horse all ireland final in history.
we are going into this, in an ideal place.....maybe hard to get the lads heads right but weve beaten every team thats played us this year, weve lost 1 championship game since August 2017.
weve beaten Meath, Cork, Tyrone and Mayo and drawn with Donegal. 5 of the top 7 teams in the country already played and Dublin will be #6 - that leaves Roscommon. when have Kerry ever got to a final playing everybody decent bar 1?
we can give this a right good go, its a huge ask, but it can happen.
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Post by homerj on Aug 13, 2019 9:28:09 GMT
youd imagine Kerry will be staying outside Dublin in the usual spot before the final.
the sunday night, again likely to be ballsbridge area, their names change so much now its hard to keep up!
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Post by dc84 on Aug 13, 2019 9:56:17 GMT
Flip it we might as well be confident 135 years of excellence has to have given us some! There area few problems with us playing a sweeper 1. We don't have anyone that is any good at it really. 2 it would probably mean mccaffrey or Cooper being free which would be a disaster.
The start will be everything we are huge underdogs make no mistake we probably need to be 5 points up at half time and then spring the bench early to keep the momentum up. In all honesty we will probably get beaten in all honesty but leaving killarney last year after kildare game I never thought I would be posting in a thread with this title!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 10:08:28 GMT
Is there any way we can disrupt the cluxton kick out ? Should we just give him the short one?
Other than the mayo game who have a keeper known for poor kick outs, we have tended to concede the kick out. This has its advantages also.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 13, 2019 10:11:40 GMT
Very very strange. I can’t remember any other Final we approached with the expectations of most including most of our own that Kerry are going to lose. Of course this is down to the excellence of our opponents. But this team is not to be underestimated and Dublin will do so at their peril. The beauty of sport is that anything can happen and Dublin will know that this is their biggest challenge since they beat Mayo in 2017. They will indeed be expecting this for all their bravado about preferring Kerry to Tyrone. The big bonus this situation gives us is that we have nothing to lose. If we play to our strengths we will give the Dubs a right rattle and might even get to 38. And if not, we can go home and plan for victory in 2020.
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Post by kot on Aug 13, 2019 10:23:11 GMT
On the outlook of things, the last time I was this sure the result was a forgone conclusion was in 2011 but I was certain the other way that day. I was wrong that day! Hopefully I'm wrong again!
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Post by themanfromthewest on Aug 13, 2019 10:24:08 GMT
Is there any way we can disrupt the cluxton kick out ? Should we just give him the short one? Other than the mayo game who have a keeper known for poor kick outs, we have tended to concede the kick out. This has its advantages also. You can press him and force him to go long but it’s only advisable if you believe that your midfielders can at least break even with Dublin’s. If they win it clean around the middle and you have everyone pushed up it could be very costly. Cluxton was highly vulnerable to the press at one stage but they have things in place for virtually every scenario now. We will probably concede their kick-out most of the time
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 13, 2019 10:30:39 GMT
Is there any way we can disrupt the cluxton kick out ? Should we just give him the short one? Other than the mayo game who have a keeper known for poor kick outs, we have tended to concede the kick out. This has its advantages also. Think it’s better to concede the kick out - takes more energy to build from the back, easier to set up to defend against . The high press after a Kerry score could build momentum - Dublin always look to hold possession after conceding a score - disrupting this would be a psychological blow to them.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 13, 2019 10:31:28 GMT
On the outlook of things, the last time I was this sure the result was a forgone conclusion was in 2011 but I was certain the other way that day. I was wrong that day! Hopefully I'm wrong again! I have never been so confident as I was in 2011.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 13, 2019 10:38:42 GMT
The use of the press should be used judicially if we score a goal for example we should look to squeeze ditto if cluxton shows any jitters on a kick out the next one should be pressed.
Could be a good tactic when we have Walsh Moran and Barry on probably in 2nd half.
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Post by kot on Aug 13, 2019 11:00:53 GMT
On the outlook of things, the last time I was this sure the result was a forgone conclusion was in 2011 but I was certain the other way that day. I was wrong that day! Hopefully I'm wrong again! I have never been so confident as I was in 2011. Probably the only other time I was as confident was in '02. I'm never getting confident again until a game is over.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 13, 2019 11:59:27 GMT
Is there any way we can disrupt the cluxton kick out ? Should we just give him the short one? Other than the mayo game who have a keeper known for poor kick outs, we have tended to concede the kick out. This has its advantages also. You're dead on Kerryguy. I'm preaching this for ages. Mayo failed to cover. We are half hearted about it.. We need to have a strategy for kickouts at both ends
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Post by greengreengrass on Aug 13, 2019 12:14:05 GMT
For me sherwood should start, seems tailer made to mark mdma
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Post by dc84 on Aug 13, 2019 12:17:36 GMT
Is there any way we can disrupt the cluxton kick out ? Should we just give him the short one? Other than the mayo game who have a keeper known for poor kick outs, we have tended to concede the kick out. This has its advantages also. You're dead on Kerryguy. I'm preaching this for ages. Mayo failed to cover. We are half hearted about it.. We need to have a strategy for kickouts at both ends It was 100% the right strategy to give Donegal the kickouts in my view with no Barry or Moran. Bit disappointed we didn't do it more against Tyrone as Morgan can be got at. The energy it takes can be killer and no better team than dublin to exploit tiredness in a team. One factor from Sunday that has been overlooked a small bit is our fitness it was really impressive when you consider how many people were saying we wouldn't live with tyrones pace and power especially as they effectively had three weeks off. On a brighter note my god did I enjoy looking at Sean cavanagh on tsg after all the sh1te he has said about us this year. In particular that comment that if we were in any other province we wouldn't be in super 8s we now know we are at the moment the 2nd best team in Ireland and for him to suggest that there were 8 teams better than us is laughable. Tyrone wouldn't have made it out of our group this year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 13:22:48 GMT
Head to Heads:
S Ryan VS Cluxton - Dublin
J Foley on Rock - Dublin T Morley on CO'C - Dublin T O’Sullivan on Mannion - Draw P Murphy on Howard - Draw G Crowley on Kilkenny - Draw B O Beaglaoich on Scully - Dublin
D Moran on MDMC - Kerry J Barry / Spillane on Fenton - Dublin
G White on McCaffrey - Dublin S O Se on McCarthy - Draw S O Brien on Small - Kerry
D Clifford on Cooper - Kerry P Geaney on Fitz - Kerry K Spillane on Byrne - Draw
6 – 4 to Dublin with 5 50 / 50 clashes.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 13, 2019 13:30:18 GMT
Assuming the same match ups Head to Heads: S Ryan VS Cluxton - Dublin J Foley on Rock - Kerry T Morley on CO'C - Dublin T O’Sullivan on Mannion - Kerry P Murphy on Howard - Dublin G Crowley on Kilkenny - Dublin B O Beaglaoich on Scully - Draw D Moran on MDMC - Kerry J Barry / Spillane on Fenton - Dublin G White on McCaffrey - Draw S O Se on McCarthy - Dublin S O Brien on Small - Kerry D Clifford on Cooper - Kerry P Geaney on Fitz - Kerry K Spillane on Byrne - Draw 6 – 6 with 3 50 / 50 clashes. But all academic.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 13, 2019 13:37:12 GMT
Assuming the same match ups Head to Heads: S Ryan VS Cluxton - Dublin J Foley on Rock - Kerry T Morley on CO'C - Dublin T O’Sullivan on Mannion - Kerry P Murphy on Howard - Dublin G Crowley on Kilkenny - Dublin B O Beaglaoich on Scully - Draw D Moran on MDMC - Kerry J Barry / Spillane on Fenton - Dublin G White on McCaffrey - Draw S O Se on McCarthy - Dublin S O Brien on Small - Kerry D Clifford on Cooper - Kerry P Geaney on Fitz - Kerry K Spillane on Byrne - Draw 6 – 6 with 3 50 / 50 clashes. But all academic. And it’s a team game. We already know that “on paper” Dublin is vastly superior. But the match won’t be played on paper.
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Post by keane on Aug 13, 2019 15:59:19 GMT
One thing in my mind is I could see Killian Spillane having a much better day the next day out than last. Tyrone are designed to blot out a guy like him. By contrast, guys like him can prosper at times against Dublin. James Carr gave Fitzsimons plenty of pain in the first half the last day and honestly would think Spillane could do similar.
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Post by augustafield on Aug 13, 2019 16:21:32 GMT
I think it’s fair to say that the consensus of opinion among Kerry supporters in Dublin last Sunday morning , because of the Dubs display less than 24 hours earlier , was that our joust with Tyrone was our All Ireland final and at half time Kerry shoulders were being shrugged and Kerry voices were saying “ maybe the way things are going it’s just as well “
But the reaction of the Kerry players gave the lie to that defeatist acceptance . Staring a semi final loss to Tyrone in the face our energy levels were raised intensity levels increased and determination was clear in every Kerry player not to bow the knee . In adversity they responded like their predecessors before them. In an earlier post I alluded to the fact that this Kerry team throw off certain good vibes , play for each other and most importantly respect the Jersey worn by great previous Kerry footballers . These qualities were displayed in abundance on Sunday .
Are these players afraid of the Dubs ? Judging by their reaction they can’t wait for the final . Respect for the Dubs absolutely - but bring them on is their cry.
Reaching two national finals this year after abject capitulation last year is a monumental achievement . 2019 is a successful year - win lose or draw on the 1st September next and - and from here on is a bonus . We - and the team will savour the next 3 weeks - and the final chapter is yet to be written.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 13, 2019 16:52:05 GMT
Head to Heads: S Ryan VS Cluxton - Dublin J Foley on Rock - Dublin T Morley on CO'C - Dublin T O’Sullivan on Mannion - Draw P Murphy on Howard - Draw G Crowley on Kilkenny - Draw B O Beaglaoich on Scully - Dublin D Moran on MDMC - Kerry J Barry / Spillane on Fenton - Dublin G White on McCaffrey - Dublin S O Se on McCarthy - Draw S O Brien on Small - Kerry D Clifford on Cooper - Kerry P Geaney on Fitz - Kerry K Spillane on Byrne - Draw 6 – 4 to Dublin with 5 50 / 50 clashes. Good stuff though I think we tip the balance, and talk of it being a team game, just look at our forwards v Tir Eoghan, the bookie odds is more representative of the comparative betting populations and it is 15 v 15 at any one time, Kerry can do this one, will do this one!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 13, 2019 17:07:45 GMT
Regards the referee.
It is not good enough that there merely be an absence of bias. There must be an absence of a reasonable perception of bias.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 17:15:08 GMT
All i will say now in terms of the ref is that these debates should not be happening at this stage. This is the type of stuff that gets decided at the start of the year.
Counties should not be arguing against a ref 3 weeks before a final
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 13, 2019 17:20:59 GMT
All i will say now in terms of the ref is that these debates should not be happening at this stage. This is the type of stuff that gets decided at the start of the year. Counties should not be arguing against a ref 3 weeks before a final This shouldn't even be a debate. Alas the GAA have made these ill-judged appointments in the past and so here we are.
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