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Post by royalkerryfan on Aug 12, 2019 6:15:32 GMT
It's a beautiful morning... Now the planning starts.
This final won't define us, we need to keep the rhetoric dialled down and give Kerry as much room to prepare without pressure from us.
I'm one proud man today though, those boys have given us a great summer.
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 12, 2019 6:26:55 GMT
It’s hard to believe black cards carry over from the league . This is a new competition and the rules have been changed since then and yet still the card carries . Bizarre.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2019 6:56:16 GMT
It's a beautiful morning... Now the planning starts. This final won't define us, we need to keep the rhetoric dialled down and give Kerry as much room to prepare without pressure from us. I'm one proud man today though, those boys have given us a great summer. The pressure is mostly on Dublin. |
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Post by kerry5575 on Aug 12, 2019 7:10:01 GMT
Dublin are happy to get Kerry. Tyrone would have posed a bigger challenge. They bossed Kerry physically today and could very easily have won. Kerry's defence is poor and porous. I expect a very convincing Dublin win.....5-8 points. Kerry have excellent forwards to match those of Dublin but Dublin will win midfield and will torture the Kerry defence. Kerry struggled against Meath for very long periods......in a game that mattered. “Dublin are happy to get Kerry” - spoken from a true insider from the Dublin camp 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2019 7:49:34 GMT
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An injustice if Gough fails to get final appointment
By Brian Gavin
Monday, August 12, 2019 - 12:00 AM
You imagine as the Kerry party left Croke Park yesterday evening they were preparing a case for the defence of Stephen O’Brien.
As the player said himself, it’s likely to centre about the black card shown to him in the Meath game in Páirc Tailteann last Saturday week.
There is video footage and it’s then a question of Kerry being able to convince the Central Hearings Committee that he was unfairly treated by Fergal Kelly.
What’s for sure is Kerry can’t do anything about the black card yesterday - it was clear-cut. As for the cards in the League game against Galway in Tuam, who knows if there is sufficient video from it to contest them.
Kerry should do everything to try and free him up - I know Dublin would and they would likely get him off too. As for whether the cumulative ban is fair, I think it is. If you do it twice in a season then okay but you have no excuse doing it three times. Then there is the whole argument about whether black cards and what not applying in All-Ireland finals. While I believe O’Brien would be dreadfully unfortunate to miss the final, there has to be consistency.
In such situations, one game has to be treated like another. The other matter concerning Kerry people as a result of what happened yesterday is the identity of the All-Ireland final referee. They might believe they have had been unlucky with David Gough in the past but it would be an injustice if he doesn’t get the appointment.
As I mentioned last week, Gough has been extremely patient and if he doesn’t get the big one here I would wonder if he will continue refereeing at inter-county level. James McGrath felt he was snubbed last year and Gough has been excellent this season and really should have been a senior final referee by this stage.
Whatever Kerry people’s hang-ups with him are, I don’t think they should fear him being given the role in the game against Dublin.
He might work in Dublin but so does David Coldrick and that didn’t have any impact on him.
David has worked his socks off to get to this stage and he is due it.
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Suspension rules out goalscorer Stephen O'Brien as Kerry set up final with Dublin
He will be going out to do his best for himself, his family and his club as well as Kerry and Dublin. Kerry shouldn’t be worrying about him.
Maurice Deegan yesterday wouldn’t have upset Kerry fans too much although he did give a lot of advantage and that didn’t work out for them as much as it did Tyrone. Paul Geaney and Martin Sludden were booked early on but Sludden looked hard done by as Geaney was the instigator.
An injustice if Gough fails to get final appointment
Conor Meyler was also unlucky to give away a free when Seán O’Shea seemed to dive. The yellow cards for Tommy Walsh and Niall Morgan were justified although Rory Brennan’s tackle was what we could deem an orange - dangerous enough for a red but definitely a yellow.
On Saturday, Conor Lane did well. Players, you could see, were more careful than usual other than Michael Darragh Macauley. He could have seen two yellows but Conor had a word with him early on and doing that showed he had an understanding of how big a game it was. Macauley later was shown a yellow for lashing out after receiving a mark.
John Small could have no complaints about his yellow after three fouls.
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Matthew Ruane’s foul on Small was rightly punished with a yellow and Brian Fenton did lead with his elbow for his. Stephen Coen was also booked correctly as was Lee Keegan for persistent fouling of Con O’Callaghan.
Cillian O’Connor simply had to go when he followed up a yellow card on Jonny Cooper with a high foul on Davy Byrne. Conor also showed good advantage for the Brian Fenton goal after Ciarán Kilkenny was blatantly fouled.
Both Kevin McLoughlin (apparent stamp on Niall Scully) and Eoin O’Donoghue (striking with the elbow) could also have been shown red cards near the end. Cormac Costello also deserved his black card. Conor can be very happy with his year and is one of the better referees out there.
On a final note, there were a few incidents over the two games where hand-offs were used and scores came indirectly or directly from them.
Referees have been strong on punishing this in recent years but it seems to have been let go again.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2019 7:50:55 GMT
Jesus H Christ, he used Coldrick as an example of why Gough should get this final.
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 12, 2019 8:25:59 GMT
It seems no one wants Gough to get the match. Dub’s afraid he will over compensate and Kerry believe he has an inherent Dublin bias. He’s getting the gig , isn’t he ?
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 12, 2019 8:28:02 GMT
I think Eddie Kinsella was the best referee of recent times.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 8:36:33 GMT
I think we should promote Paul Hayes to the intercounty referee panel and get him to ref Kerry games - being an ex Cork player he would be neutral (the fact he lives in Kerry for 20? years is irrelevant).
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Post by buck02 on Aug 12, 2019 9:43:06 GMT
I think we should promote Paul Hayes to the intercounty referee panel and get him to ref Kerry games - being an ex Cork player he would be neutral (the fact he lives in Kerry for 20? years is irrelevant). Oh come on, Croke Park would never allow something like that to happen. |
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 9:49:33 GMT
9 to 2 for the AI final - a two horse race
Pundits think the final will be like the final stage of the Tour de France - a victory procession
I prefer to remember Ian Dury and the blockheads and list my "reasons to be cheerful 1-2-3"
1/ Dublin being lauded for their 10 minute spell binding start to the second half - it only took us four minutes to go from 2 down to 4 up.
2/ Dublin playing at home were being held until that burst by Mayo and ended up 10 point winners - Kerry playing at home never gave Mayo a sniff of the game and won by 10.
3/ 55, 75 - others years we were only suposed to be the canon fodder for great Dublin teams.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2019 10:14:55 GMT
Jesus H Christ, he used Coldrick as an example of why Gough should get this final. Geaney was NOT the instigator in that. It is pure gombeenism to say 'sure it doesn't matter if he lives in Dublin'. I have said I think Gough is an excellent ref but if you haven't got a final? Tough titty the Dubs have been in five in a row. |
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Post by brigid on Aug 12, 2019 12:03:14 GMT
This will be Kerry's 60th all Ireland final (disregarding replays) am I right? Already played 59 winning 37 times and losing 22 finals. Technically this is incorrect as the 1910 All Ireland was not played. Louth got a walk-over. The reason for the decision is that "The 1910 final was scratched and Louth were awarded the championship after Kerry refused to travel to Dublin as the Great Southern and Western Railway would not sell tickets to their fans at reduced rates". |
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Post by brigid on Aug 12, 2019 12:38:37 GMT
Can anyone remember the following. Some time in, I think, the 80's a Kerry referee was appointed to referee an All Ireland semi final between Dublin V  ??. But Dublin successfully objected to the Kerry ref as Kerry were still in the All Ireland championship. |
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Post by exiled on Aug 12, 2019 12:57:35 GMT
If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 12, 2019 13:11:21 GMT
It's great to be back where we belong
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 12, 2019 13:53:12 GMT
€90 for stand tickets and €45 for the terrace. Very expensive in my opinion but that's just me. I feel sorry for families who are being priced out from bringing their kids. A family of four costing €360 even before travel and food expenses are brought into it.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2019 15:13:43 GMT
€90 for stand tickets and €45 for the terrace. Very expensive in my opinion but that's just me. I feel sorry for families who are being priced out from bringing their kids. A family of four costing €360 even before travel and food expenses are brought into it. It will be a privilege to be there. All-Ireland Final Day in Croke Park. Against the Dubs, bring it on........... |
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 12, 2019 15:14:29 GMT
If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme. Has there ever before been a red carpet and a Presidential meet and greet for the teams at a semi final? Apparently Michael D told CP he was turning up and they then felt obliged to do the full formalities. But why? It was almost sending out the message that this was the real final. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2019 15:17:29 GMT
If you thought Kick Puck was the big deal in Killorglin or Daniel O'Connell in South Kerry, Peter Keane will be Canonised south of the Laune Bridge if Kerry slay the Dubs five in a row......................
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 12, 2019 15:20:51 GMT
If you thought Kick Puck was the big deal in Killorglin or Daniel O'Connell in South Kerry, Peter Keane will be Canonised south of the Laune Bridge if Kerry slay the Dubs five in a row...................... And north of the Laune Bridge as well! I don't think I saw the man smile until after the final whistle yesterday and then he couldn't stop. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2019 15:21:36 GMT
If anyone in the country outside of Dublin had any doubts left about special treatment for Dublin from the GAA then it was quashed on Saturday. First we had Dublin Joe then Dublin John and now Dublin Michael D. Its a slap in the face to all the other counties. I hope it comes back to haunt them. But of course not a word said on any TV programme. Has there ever before been a red carpet and a Presidential meet and greet for the teams at a semi final? Apparently Michael D told CP he was turning up and they then felt obliged to do the full formalities. But why? It was almost sending out the message that this was the real final. Stinks from high heavens alright. Dubs still in their own private dressingroom, still warming up under the hill, still being the aggressors in the handshake and still marching stand-side in the parade. Maybe it was an illusion but was the parade in the second semi final a shorter circuit also? |
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2019 15:23:52 GMT
€90 for stand tickets and €45 for the terrace. Very expensive in my opinion but that's just me. I feel sorry for families who are being priced out from bringing their kids. A family of four costing €360 even before travel and food expenses are brought into it. Most people are delighted to get their hands on 1 or 2 tickets for a final - fair dues if you can gather more. The €5 tickets for ealrier rounds is the GAA's way of trying to help out - come the final the demand for tickets is savage. God be with the days when kids were lifted over the styles and sat on steps, the sideline or where ever a bit of space was found. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2019 15:24:48 GMT
If you thought Kick Puck was the big deal in Killorglin or Daniel O'Connell in South Kerry, Peter Keane will be Canonised south of the Laune Bridge if Kerry slay the Dubs five in a row...................... And north of the Laune Bridge as well! I don't think I saw the man smile until after the final whistle yesterday and then he couldn't stop. A man dancing at the door of immortality and the inner pantheon of Kerry greatness perhaps? Sport is mysterious, it is a two horse race now.............. |
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Post by pillar on Aug 12, 2019 15:53:03 GMT
Reading the papers today and it seems we have no chance of beating Dublin going by most columnists.Its surreal to read it really!!
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 12, 2019 16:34:08 GMT
Reading the papers today and it seems we have no chance of beating Dublin going by most columnists.Its surreal to read it really!! A lot of those columnists were tipping Tyrone too - sometimes wonder do these guys attend matches at all and just rely on other reporters for their info. On all known form Dublin should win but there was never a Kerryman who took the field on All Ireland final day who didn’t believe he would end up holding the Sam Maguire aloft. Dublin will be wary of us & we are probably the last team they wanted to play to make history - their defence will have to cope with a forward sextet all of whom will pose problems - they haven’t had this kind of test before; it’s a one off game & I believe anything could happen - sport can often be stranger than fiction! |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 12, 2019 17:21:27 GMT
They tipped us in '82 and both Sky and RTE yesterday were going with the flow, depending on who was ahead, annoying for all viewers.
All reminds of an instance I aired here a while ago of a Sky commentator in a Munster rugby match wanting us beaten until the inevitable obliged him to come to his senses, and had my fellow supporter compare it to 'putting the * back in the horse' - so there may well be some dirty work to be done around 5pm pn 1st Sept 2019!
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 12, 2019 17:27:39 GMT
Eamonn Fitzmaurice: Why David Gough shouldn't referee Dublin-Kerry finalwww.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/eamonn-fitzmaurice-why-david-gough-shouldnt-referee-dublin-kerry-final-943400.htmlFormer Kerry manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice believes it would be wrong if Meath referee David Gough is nominated by the GAA to handle next month’s All-Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry. Gough and his fellow Meath man David Coldrick are considered favourites to get the nod for the September 1 decider, when Dublin will be bidding for an historic fifth All-Ireland title in a row. But the fact that Gough lives and works in the capital should disqualify him from consideration, believes Fitzmaurice. Guesting on this week’s Irish Examiner GAA podcast, Fitzmaurice disagreed with former referee Brian Gavin in yesterday’s Examiner that it would be wrong to overlook Gough. “I think it’s an injustice if he does get the game,” said the Finuge man. “I am not going to be dictating here who I feel should get the game, but a final referee has to be a neutral referee. "Living and working in Dublin, you are not neutral. If you are living there, you are meeting people in the shop, at work, down the street." “Of course when David Gough goes out to referee a match he is trying to be neutral and impartial, I am not questioning that, but it can’t be fair that if you are living and working in a place, that you get to referee an All-Ireland final involving that county. “It’s tough on him, he is a very good referee, and Dublin are there every year. (But) I do genuinely think from his own perspective, there’s huge pressure on him. I wouldn’t look on it as punishing him. If you live and work in a place it rules you out. It’s very hard in that instance. If Kerry get a couple of calls (in the final), he is going to have a miserable winter listening to Dubs telling him he denied them the five in a row.” Fitzmaurice was Kerry manager for the epic All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin in 2016, when a crucial late hit from Dublin’s Kevin McManamon on Peter Crowley was missed by Gough, denying Kerry a free to potentially level the game in the last minute. READ MORE 'The black card in the Meath game was very harsh' - Kerry to appeal Stephen O'Brien suspension Gough apologised for the error afterwards - “I know I got it wrong. I didn’t get it wrong on purpose, I just didn’t see it” he said - but Fitzmaurice says it was one of several “wrong calls” from him on the day. “I don’t think he has refereed a Dublin-Kerry game since.” However, Cork manager Ronan McCarthy, also on the Examiner GAA podcast, countered by insisting: “I think he is an outstanding referee, I really do. He did our (first Super 8) game against Dublin and you can always have a whinge. Dublin got a goal, it was 30 seconds over the allotted first-half injury time, but we didn’t defend it properly and we should have seen it out to half time. He’s a top referee, you pick your top refs for a game of this stature and I feel should be in the mix for it.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 18:04:09 GMT
Eamonn Fitzmaurice: Why David Gough shouldn't referee Dublin-Kerry finalwww.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/eamonn-fitzmaurice-why-david-gough-shouldnt-referee-dublin-kerry-final-943400.htmlFormer Kerry manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice believes it would be wrong if Meath referee David Gough is nominated by the GAA to handle next month’s All-Ireland final between Dublin and Kerry. Gough and his fellow Meath man David Coldrick are considered favourites to get the nod for the September 1 decider, when Dublin will be bidding for an historic fifth All-Ireland title in a row. But the fact that Gough lives and works in the capital should disqualify him from consideration, believes Fitzmaurice. Guesting on this week’s Irish Examiner GAA podcast, Fitzmaurice disagreed with former referee Brian Gavin in yesterday’s Examiner that it would be wrong to overlook Gough. “I think it’s an injustice if he does get the game,” said the Finuge man. “I am not going to be dictating here who I feel should get the game, but a final referee has to be a neutral referee. "Living and working in Dublin, you are not neutral. If you are living there, you are meeting people in the shop, at work, down the street." “Of course when David Gough goes out to referee a match he is trying to be neutral and impartial, I am not questioning that, but it can’t be fair that if you are living and working in a place, that you get to referee an All-Ireland final involving that county. “It’s tough on him, he is a very good referee, and Dublin are there every year. (But) I do genuinely think from his own perspective, there’s huge pressure on him. I wouldn’t look on it as punishing him. If you live and work in a place it rules you out. It’s very hard in that instance. If Kerry get a couple of calls (in the final), he is going to have a miserable winter listening to Dubs telling him he denied them the five in a row.” Fitzmaurice was Kerry manager for the epic All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin in 2016, when a crucial late hit from Dublin’s Kevin McManamon on Peter Crowley was missed by Gough, denying Kerry a free to potentially level the game in the last minute. READ MORE 'The black card in the Meath game was very harsh' - Kerry to appeal Stephen O'Brien suspension Gough apologised for the error afterwards - “I know I got it wrong. I didn’t get it wrong on purpose, I just didn’t see it” he said - but Fitzmaurice says it was one of several “wrong calls” from him on the day. “I don’t think he has refereed a Dublin-Kerry game since.” However, Cork manager Ronan McCarthy, also on the Examiner GAA podcast, countered by insisting: “I think he is an outstanding referee, I really do. He did our (first Super 8) game against Dublin and you can always have a whinge. Dublin got a goal, it was 30 seconds over the allotted first-half injury time, but we didn’t defend it properly and we should have seen it out to half time. He’s a top referee, you pick your top refs for a game of this stature and I feel should be in the mix for it.” Fitzmaurice should keep his mouth shut here. This is not about a particular game or decision so bringing up 2016 is very unhelpful |
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 12, 2019 18:04:43 GMT
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??. But Dublin successfully objected to the Kerry ref as Kerry were still in the All Ireland championship. 
