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Post by hurlingman on Aug 24, 2024 11:22:07 GMT
I'm guessing you're talking about Portlaoise here. I've always found it mad how a town of it's size can only have one club. I do recall that another club was to setup there but I'm guessing that went nowhere. It has to be holding Laois back as there must be countless very good players who just pack it in. Tralee and Killarney are actually quite unique in GAA terms as for their size there's multiple clubs in both towns. Not only is Ballincollig a good bit more populous than Killarney (in the middle of Killarney and Tralee/Portlaoise in terms of population), not only a one club town, they have the temerity to self-refer to the GAA club as "the village"!! I suppose technically the likes of Ballincollig, Douglas etc are villages with huge populations. At the same time it also shows that the argument about population sometimes isn't a factor. The likes of Douglas and Bishopstown being examples in Cork alone.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 24, 2024 12:06:49 GMT
Amalgamations don't usually work. We will see that very clearly in the next few weeks. Three of the 4 semi-finalists of the 2021 county championship are this year playing with St Brendan's. I will be astonished if they win it. Edit. Of course Na Gael are not with Brendan’s but they still have the players to win it. Well if there's any county where amalgamations do work it's in Kerry. Good point. Long established amalgamations that have a long tradition do work, but we will see if "new" amalgamations work. What is interesting is that there is a very good chance of ultimate success if they make it work.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 24, 2024 12:54:42 GMT
There are a lot of underage amalgamations in both North and South Kerry.
Knock/Brosna have a long standing arrangement, Northern Gales are made of up I think of Asdee, B'longford and B'donoghue underage. Similar Tarbert B'longford and Moyvane have amalgamations with other NK Clubs at various levels.
At underage listry and Keal have a long standing agreement, down south Na Fianna have I think Tousist, Templenoe and Kilgarvan.. back west Lispole, Annascaul and Dingle have joined at different levels. Sure even in Tralee the great Strand Road and Pats are joined at underage.
None of us blink an eyelid when we mention Milltown/Castlemaine or Glenbeigh/Glencar.... such permanent arrangements will become more the norm over the next decade .
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 24, 2024 14:13:58 GMT
Out of interest what would have been the latest GAA club proper (rather than some amalgamation etc) to have been started in Kerry? I'd assume it would be Tralee Parnells? Didn't Na Gael only start in the late 1970s too because of the expansion of people moving into Tralee in the Oakpark area? I guess that is what the future might hold, some of the more rural clubs may (alas) die away and you'll see new entities being formed within the commuter zone of the bigger towns. The Blue Elephant in the room on a national scale for the Association is of course Dublin, its getting bigger and bigger population wise and we've had Governments for the last 40 years being content to see a population/economic opportunity imbalance on the East coast at the expense of everywhere else (speaking as an embittered economic exile ;D ). How long before Dublin must be split into different inter-county entities and, conversely, smaller counties being amalgamated to compete at inter-county level. Well technically Parnells were reformed but originally were only underage. Na Gaeil would be the newest one I think. Dingle in it's current form might be next. It's hard to pinpoint with some clubs as to when they were formed in current form. For example at one point Laune Rangers were actually a "divisional team" in the same way Dingle, Listowel etc were.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 24, 2024 15:48:36 GMT
Not only is Ballincollig a good bit more populous than Killarney (in the middle of Killarney and Tralee/Portlaoise in terms of population), not only a one club town, they have the temerity to self-refer to the GAA club as "the village"!! I suppose technically the likes of Ballincollig, Douglas etc are villages with huge populations. At the same time it also shows that the argument about population sometimes isn't a factor. The likes of Douglas and Bishopstown being examples in Cork alone. For the record I don't think Bishopstown was ever a village in the way that Douglas was. You probably still have people in these areas playing with Barrs and Nemo rather than Btown and Douglas. Not to mind lads off playing in Castlehaven!
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 24, 2024 16:13:50 GMT
. For example at one point Laune Rangers were actually a "divisional team" in the same way Dingle, Listowel etc were. [/quote] Can you explain the above?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 24, 2024 17:32:23 GMT
. For example at one point Laune Rangers were actually a "divisional team" in the same way Dingle, Listowel etc were. Can you explain the above? [/quote] I am guessing a club based in a town but with a large catchment area including various villages.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 24, 2024 18:06:14 GMT
. For example at one point Laune Rangers were actually a "divisional team" in the same way Dingle, Listowel etc were. Can you explain the above? I am guessing a club based in a town but with a large catchment area including various villages.[/quote] OK sorry, I thought there was a bigger story or history
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 24, 2024 18:13:06 GMT
Can you explain the above? I am guessing a club based in a town but with a large catchment area including various villages. OK sorry, I thought there was a bigger story or history [/quote] It is only a guess... Christ there is some amount of stuff here: launerangers.ie/history/
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 24, 2024 20:24:23 GMT
I am guessing a club based in a town but with a large catchment area including various villages. OK sorry, I thought there was a bigger story or history It is only a guess... Christ there is some amount of stuff here: launerangers.ie/history/[/quote]Was just about to say there's something about it on the Laune Rangers website.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 27, 2024 7:39:50 GMT
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Post by glengael on Aug 27, 2024 9:26:51 GMT
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 27, 2024 12:50:10 GMT
It is no surprise that Colm is gone. It is being presented as a circumstantial thing, he can't name his backroom team because club is still going on but the CB can't wait even though there is no game 4 months. In the league and the Sam Maguire I thought Colm was a big disappointment. He talked the talk for quarter of a century but couldn't walk the walk. I'm always wary of managers that are not hurt by defeat. Colm usually just waffled and joked about it.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 27, 2024 16:10:23 GMT
You'd wonder who the Meath CB think will do a better job. While he didn't set the world alight he still won them the Tailteann Cup one of very few titles they've won in the last 20 odd years.
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Post by clarinman on Aug 27, 2024 22:04:31 GMT
You'd wonder who the Meath CB think will do a better job. While he didn't set the world alight he still won them the Tailteann Cup one of very few titles they've won in the last 20 odd years. I was on the terrace in Navan for the Meath group games against Kerry in 2019 and again this year. The atmosphere this year was totally different as the locals were really fed up with the style of football being played by Meath. Every time that Kerry scored or had a wide in the first half, 14 outfield Meath players turned their back on the ball and ran back to their own half. It seems that O'Rourke only talked a good game.
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Post by jerryewe on Aug 28, 2024 12:55:05 GMT
There are a lot of underage amalgamations in both North and South Kerry. Knock/Brosna have a long standing arrangement, Northern Gales are made of up I think of Asdee, B'longford and B'donoghue underage. Similar Tarbert B'longford and Moyvane have amalgamations with other NK Clubs at various levels. At underage listry and Keal have a long standing agreement, down south Na Fianna have I think Tousist, Templenoe and Kilgarvan.. back west Lispole, Annascaul and Dingle have joined at different levels. Sure even in Tralee the great Strand Road and Pats are joined at underage. None of us blink an eyelid when we mention Milltown/Castlemaine or Glenbeigh/Glencar.... such permanent arrangements will become more the norm over the next decade . You are right about amalgamations having to become the norm but there is no doubt it comes with difficulties. I know of a recent example with a new underage amalgamation of neighbouring clubs where there was an issue with something one of the coaches said on the field over 20 years ago. Now that might seem crazy but the details (which I don’t want to go into) would make it totally understandable. Separate to this, Valentia made a proposal a couple of years ago that players who had transferred away from them could play championship with them along with playing their other club. This may not work with Junior & Intermediate as they feed into national competitions but it could be looked at for the divisional championship to keep clubs identity alive even if they have to amalgamate for co. Championships. For example, up until this year Valentia players joined Dromid. This would still happen for the Co. League & Co. Championships but then they could field their own team in the South Kerry championship and the likes of Brendan & Paul Sullivan could play in the SK championship with Valentia if they so wished. You could also extend this to players who could play for the club of their parents for the divisional championship. Perhaps David & Paidi Clifford could lead Derrynane to winning the South Kerry championship.
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Post by exiled on Aug 29, 2024 18:27:39 GMT
There are a lot of underage amalgamations in both North and South Kerry. Knock/Brosna have a long standing arrangement, Northern Gales are made of up I think of Asdee, B'longford and B'donoghue underage. Similar Tarbert B'longford and Moyvane have amalgamations with other NK Clubs at various levels. At underage listry and Keal have a long standing agreement, down south Na Fianna have I think Tousist, Templenoe and Kilgarvan.. back west Lispole, Annascaul and Dingle have joined at different levels. Sure even in Tralee the great Strand Road and Pats are joined at underage. None of us blink an eyelid when we mention Milltown/Castlemaine or Glenbeigh/Glencar.... such permanent arrangements will become more the norm over the next decade . You are right about amalgamations having to become the norm but there is no doubt it comes with difficulties. I know of a recent example with a new underage amalgamation of neighbouring clubs where there was an issue with something one of the coaches said on the field over 20 years ago. Now that might seem crazy but the details (which I don’t want to go into) would make it totally understandable. Separate to this, Valentia made a proposal a couple of years ago that players who had transferred away from them could play championship with them along with playing their other club. This may not work with Junior & Intermediate as they feed into national competitions but it could be looked at for the divisional championship to keep clubs identity alive even if they have to amalgamate for co. Championships. For example, up until this year Valentia players joined Dromid. This would still happen for the Co. League & Co. Championships but then they could field their own team in the South Kerry championship and the likes of Brendan & Paul Sullivan could play in the SK championship with Valentia if they so wished. You could also extend this to players who could play for the club of their parents for the divisional championship. Perhaps David & Paidi Clifford could lead Derrynane to winning the South Kerry championship. Of course Castlemaine only joined Milltown after falling out with their parish half Keel. Maybe they should be rejoined as it's one parish. Only saying..lol.
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Post by pukefootball on Sept 3, 2024 14:02:06 GMT
Billy O’Shea seeking to be the Fine Gael candidate for the upcoming General Election
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Post by blacksheep21 on Sept 5, 2024 17:53:40 GMT
I did not want to include in another thread but can anyone advise as to how Rob Monahan and Mark O Conner are getting on in Australia currently? Are they playing much?
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Post by john4 on Sept 5, 2024 19:40:57 GMT
I did not want to include in another thread but can anyone advise as to how Rob Monahan and Mark O Conner are getting on in Australia currently? Are they playing much? I think Rob Monahan is on the Carlton AFL squad but as a squad player, doesn't make match days. Was playing VFL all along but got promoted! Mark O'Connor was out with a knee injury. Played with their beaten VFL team in their preliminary final, expect he'll be back with the a team after their win this morning. Presuming (& hoping) that he's done there after this season. Badly badly needed here at the moment
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 5, 2024 20:24:00 GMT
I did not want to include in another thread but can anyone advise as to how Rob Monahan and Mark O Conner are getting on in Australia currently? Are they playing much? I think Rob Monahan is on the Carlton AFL squad but as a squad player, doesn't make match days. Was playing VFL all along but got promoted! Mark O'Connor was out with a knee injury. Played with their beaten VFL team in their preliminary final, expect he'll be back with the a team after their win this morning. Presuming (& hoping) that he's done there after this season. Badly badly needed here at the moment I suspect after being away from the game for so long, Marks ship has sailed.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 5, 2024 21:23:41 GMT
I did not want to include in another thread but can anyone advise as to how Rob Monahan and Mark O Conner are getting on in Australia currently? Are they playing much? I think Rob Monahan is on the Carlton AFL squad but as a squad player, doesn't make match days. Was playing VFL all along but got promoted! Mark O'Connor was out with a knee injury. Played with their beaten VFL team in their preliminary final, expect he'll be back with the a team after their win this morning. Presuming (& hoping) that he's done there after this season. Badly badly needed here at the moment That would be brilliant but what’s the presumption based on? I’d say he’ll stay down there for another few years. Rob Monahan was always AFL listed but hasn’t made any match day squad, has played the whole year with the VFL team.
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Post by john4 on Sept 5, 2024 21:27:27 GMT
I think Rob Monahan is on the Carlton AFL squad but as a squad player, doesn't make match days. Was playing VFL all along but got promoted! Mark O'Connor was out with a knee injury. Played with their beaten VFL team in their preliminary final, expect he'll be back with the a team after their win this morning. Presuming (& hoping) that he's done there after this season. Badly badly needed here at the moment That would be brilliant but what’s the presumption based on? I’d say he’ll stay down there for another few years. Rob Monahan was always AFL listed but hasn’t made any match day squad, has played the whole year with the VFL team. O'Connor signed a 1 year contract extension last year, they might offer him another extension of course
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Post by diego on Sept 5, 2024 22:29:04 GMT
I'm sure they still rate him highly at Geelong but they have some serious competition for places there with younger lads coming through every year. The current spell in the reserves has been going on a good few weeks now. You'd wonder if he still wasn't seeing a prospect of first team action next year would he more inclined to look for a trade to another AFL team, or give it a shot back home for a year or 2.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 6, 2024 7:15:38 GMT
Just read a very interesting article in the Indo about Malacky O’Rourke with Tyrone, they mention five players that walked away prematurely under the previous management of Logan and Dooher.
Defender Mark Bradley, forwards Conor Cush, Michael McGleenen, Lee Brennan and Paul Donaghy. All bar Bradley are in their mid-twenties, but even Bradley is what maybe 30 or 31 at most…. Tyrone may be a different animal under new management, in particular if a few of that winning U20 team and the five above rejoin the fold.
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Post by diego on Sept 6, 2024 7:32:40 GMT
Just read a very interesting article in the Indo about Malacky O’Rourke with Tyrone, they mention five players that walked away prematurely under the previous management of Logan and Dooher. Defender Mark Bradley, forwards Conor Cush, Michael McGleenen, Lee Brennan and Paul Donaghy. All bar Bradley are in their mid-twenties, but even Bradley is what maybe 30 or 31 at most…. Tyrone may be a different animal under new management, in particular if a few of that winning U20 team and the five above rejoin the fold. Wasn't Mark Bradley a knacky little corner forward. Although like the entire team he probably spent a lot of time inside his 45.
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 6, 2024 8:33:11 GMT
Just read a very interesting article in the Indo about Malacky O’Rourke with Tyrone, they mention five players that walked away prematurely under the previous management of Logan and Dooher. Defender Mark Bradley, forwards Conor Cush, Michael McGleenen, Lee Brennan and Paul Donaghy. All bar Bradley are in their mid-twenties, but even Bradley is what maybe 30 or 31 at most…. Tyrone may be a different animal under new management, in particular if a few of that winning U20 team and the five above rejoin the fold. Wasn't Mark Bradley a knacky little corner forward. Although like the entire team he probably spent a lot of time inside his 45. You could be right, I often mix up the Tyrone and Derry Bradleys... either way, that is five fresh bodies in with a point to prove, they won in 2021 and had an U20 as well... the foundation of a good team is there, under the right stewardship, I'd rate them higher than a lot of teams up north... Derry similar with the right boss, Donegal a second year under Jimmy and All Ireland winners Armagh.. Ulster already looks more a minefield than normal years which is saying much...
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Post by diego on Sept 6, 2024 19:15:14 GMT
Agree with you about Malachy O'Rourke though. Very impressive character, comes across as a decent fella as well. Could argue he's been the best manager in the country in the last 10 years or so given what he's achieved in relation to the resources at his disposal.
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Post by veteran on Sept 8, 2024 11:06:50 GMT
I see preseason competitions are suspended for 2025. Why? I imagine the upshot will be counties scrambling around for challenge games.
People are ravenous for intercounty games at the turn of the year. I always enjoyed going to the McGrath cup games when they were within my reach. I believe the McKenna cup games attracted huge attendances . Perhaps there is a logic in this decision but it escapes me.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 8, 2024 14:02:24 GMT
I see preseason competitions are suspended for 2025. Why? I imagine the upshot will be counties scrambling around for challenge games. People are ravenous for intercounty games at the turn of the year. I always enjoyed going to the McGrath cup games when they were within my reach. I believe the McKenna cup games attracted huge attendances . Perhaps there is a logic in this decision but it escapes me. Victim of the condensed season. I'd have no issue with them if the college lads were left play solely with their colleges but I remember watching lads praying they'd not get a bad injury.
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