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Post by givehimaball on Sept 11, 2024 10:14:28 GMT
Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game. I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy. If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed. Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here. I would have thought that if the ref indicated last attack, until such time as the ball goes dead or the defending team actually hold the ball in hand - the game continues. The Kierans players stopped playing on the whistle in any case so may have blocked Ben Murphy's shot. Physically holding the ball for me indicates game over. There is nothing in the current rules in relation to this. This is under the duties of the referee in relation to time-keeping. The rule-book also says this. There's nothing in the rule-book about the referee having to tell any player about how long is left in a game, if it's the last possession/ must score from a free-kick anything like this or that a team has to be in possession of the ball. Hopefully the GAA just adopt the proven rule from ladies football regarding the hooter and it will make the game better and life easier and fairer for everyone. |
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Post by likeitornot on Sept 11, 2024 10:22:04 GMT
Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game. I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy. If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed. Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here. I wasn’t at the match but the incident reminds me of a similar occurrence in a Kerry hurling final I attended a few years ago. The trailing team were awarded a last minute close in free Seemingly, the referee told the free taker he would have to score direct. The free was blocked but the ricochet was blasted home. The “ goal” didn’t stand. Needless to say all hell broke loose but the referee stood his ground. I cannot recall the the year or the teams involved. Perhaps , our hurling brethren could help me out. I wonder did the referee tell the Stacks free taker he would have to score direct? 2018 county hurling final.. kilmoyley v lixnaw.. kilmoyley got a penalty.. last puck of game.. lixnaw keeper saved pen and rebound was scored but not allowed as ref had blew whistle.. ref was top referee at the time fergal horgan... he was assaulted after game by Tom Murnane who was then rightly banned for 12 months should have been a longer ban.. hoganstand.com/Kerry/article/index/290049 |
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 11, 2024 10:24:15 GMT
It will be an absolute travesty if the hooter isn't brought in for both football and hurling. The fact that it wasn't brought in years ago after passing in Congress (twice) is one of the great failures of the GAA, especially when you see how well it works in the ladies game. It would have saved so much hassle over the years. I don’t like the way it operates in ladies football. A form of the hooter where the game ends once the ball is out of play after the hooter would work better. The rule in ladies football has been play-tested in literally thousands of games and I've never heard of any problems in relation to it. As such I think it makes more sense to just copy the proven rule that works well rather than try to put a wrinkle in the rule that could well lead to addition complications (especially given how poorly so many of the rules in the rule-book are) If you had a rule where the hooter only goes once the ball is out of play, a defending team would be incentivised to change their behaviour to end the game by simply putting the player in possession out of play once the hooter has gone. This would just lead to more foul play and injuries. Also this would be basically be encouraging a team who were a point down or level to play keep ball/as low risk as possible possession football for as long as possible until they manufacture the highest percentage scoring chance. Take the rule that works well, copy that and move on. |
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 11, 2024 12:14:53 GMT
It will be an absolute travesty if the hooter isn't brought in for both football and hurling. The fact that it wasn't brought in years ago after passing in Congress (twice) is one of the great failures of the GAA, especially when you see how well it works in the ladies game. It would have saved so much hassle over the years. In maybe 2010 or so there was a rule in the league anyway where the ball had to go out of play before the game ended. Can't remember who against but I recall David Moran thinking time was up got a short kickout and kicked it out. Time wasn't actually up and he gave away a 45. I don't think it had any bearing on the result though. |
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Post by allrounder on Sept 11, 2024 13:12:38 GMT
Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game. I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy. If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed. Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here. I wasn’t at the match but the incident reminds me of a similar occurrence in a Kerry hurling final I attended a few years ago. The trailing team were awarded a last minute close in free Seemingly, the referee told the free taker he would have to score direct. The free was blocked but the ricochet was blasted home. The “ goal” didn’t stand. Needless to say all hell broke loose but the referee stood his ground. I cannot recall the the year or the teams involved. Perhaps , our hurling brethren could help me out. I wonder did the referee tell the Stacks free taker he would have to score direct? It was Lixnaw v Kilmoyley. It was a penalty. The referee told the Kilmoyley penalty taker he had to score directly. The Lixnaw keeper saved it, Lixnaw players did not go for rebound as they knew it was the last puck. One individual got a nice long ban for his part in "all hell breaking loose". Stacks had a chance to score, it was saved on the line. It was clear on Clubber that two St Kierans lads were going to clear the rebound but they stopped when they heard the whistle and celebrated. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 11, 2024 17:15:37 GMT
People can say whatever they want on the ref has no obligation to do x,y or z but there is still an expectation that they will apply common sense.
Stacks had the ball and were about 6/7 yards from goal, you absolutely cannot blow full time in that scenario.
Anyone who has seen me post here over the years knows that I usually celebrate a stacks loss but if this happens to Kerry in an all Ireland final then I, and all of you, would be absolutely livid.
Ffs they had the ball in their hands on the edge of the small square!
If the attack breaks down or is cleared, etc then fine but I genuinely can’t believe that people are arguing against this
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 11, 2024 17:17:20 GMT
Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game. I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy. If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed. Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here. I would have thought that if the ref indicated last attack, until such time as the ball goes dead or the defending team actually hold the ball in hand - the game continues. The Kierans players stopped playing on the whistle in any case so may have blocked Ben Murphy's shot. Physically holding the ball for me indicates game over. Agreed, we are constantly asking for refs to apply a common sense interpretation to rules. If everything went by the letter of the law then we’d have 25+ cards every match |
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Post by southward on Sept 11, 2024 17:25:42 GMT
It will be an absolute travesty if the hooter isn't brought in for both football and hurling. The fact that it wasn't brought in years ago after passing in Congress (twice) is one of the great failures of the GAA, especially when you see how well it works in the ladies game. It would have saved so much hassle over the years. In maybe 2010 or so there was a rule in the league anyway where the ball had to go out of play before the game ended. Can't remember who against but I recall David Moran thinking time was up got a short kickout and kicked it out. Time wasn't actually up and he gave away a 45. I don't think it had any bearing on the result though. The incident I'm thinking of was against Tyrone in Omagh. Time was up with Kerry leading by two, the ball just needed to go out of play. Moran hoofed it towards the sideline but didn't give it enough welly and a Tyrone player rescued it on the line. The ball was then worked back in for a winning goal. Sickener and so unnecessary; Moran had the ball on the endline, if he'd been thinking, all he had to do was drop it behind him. |
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Post by southward on Sept 11, 2024 17:31:15 GMT
Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game. I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy. If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed. Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here. Sure they're your teammates now, Kerrybhoy  |
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Post by diego on Sept 11, 2024 21:08:49 GMT
People can say whatever they want on the ref has no obligation to do x,y or z but there is still an expectation that they will apply common sense. Stacks had the ball and were about 6/7 yards from goal, you absolutely cannot blow full time in that scenario. Anyone who has seen me post here over the years knows that I usually celebrate a stacks loss but if this happens to Kerry in an all Ireland final then I, and all of you, would be absolutely livid. Ffs they had the ball in their hands on the edge of the small square! If the attack breaks down or is cleared, etc then fine but I genuinely can’t believe that people are arguing against this Just looked at the last few minutes again. There were no injuries or subs in the 4 mins stoppage time. The 45 was awarded just before the end of the 4th minute and was struck at 64:23. So time is effectively up. I'd equate it to the end of a basketball game with 0.5 seconds left after the timeout. You might have time to fist it to the net, or maybe catch and shoot, but not catch and shoot and get a rebound. It could be argued that Stacks should have had a free against them in the move up the field that led to the 45 for either the goalkeeper charging or the corner forward fouling the ball. Also it looked like the Kierans defenders on the line were in a better position to claim that loose ball until they pulled back from it and stopped playing on the sound of the whistle. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 11, 2024 21:58:00 GMT
But it’s not a basketball game as basketball has a buzzer to tell you that the time is up.
The ball was in play and the attackers had the ball on the edge of the square, it’s crazy that the ref blew then.
As I said, I can’t believe that people are arguing against this but such is life.
Look fairlplay to Kierans but if Kerry lose a game like that then we will be absolutely fuming after it. Imagine Clifford has the ball in his hands 6/7 yards from goal and the ref blows as he had called for 3 mins of injury time and it was now 73.01 - it would be unfathomable
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Post by bishop on Sept 11, 2024 23:04:29 GMT
Just read an article by Clare s Tony Griffin on his time with Kerry.He said he loved it and worked with the best warrior he ever came across-Seanie O Shea. Would you be able post it here Ciarraí Mick? |
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Post by conorjimmy on Sept 12, 2024 6:07:52 GMT
The referee should blow time when he thinks its time wheather a team is attacking in the small square or have the ball on there own end line makes no difference.
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 12, 2024 8:29:00 GMT
But it’s not a basketball game as basketball has a buzzer to tell you that the time is up. The ball was in play and the attackers had the ball on the edge of the square, it’s crazy that the ref blew then. As I said, I can’t believe that people are arguing against this but such is life. Look fairlplay to Kierans but if Kerry lose a game like that then we will be absolutely fuming after it. Imagine Clifford has the ball in his hands 6/7 yards from goal and the ref blows as he had called for 3 mins of injury time and it was now 73.01 - it would be unfathomable Many of the older posters here will remember the 76 MSF final replay between Kerry and Cork.With the sides level and time up ,Mikey Sheehy kicked a ball and while the ball was in mid air the ref (John Moloney) blew full time whistle.The ball went over the bar and Kerry thought they had won but it was nt allowed and game went to extra time. Tbf we got the rub of the green from ref with a good Cork goal that was disallowed and a Seanie Walsh goal that seemed to be cleared off the line but not allowing Sheehy s score was bizarre.We won in extra time. |
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Post by southward on Sept 12, 2024 17:18:54 GMT
Against Derry in the league, Kerry had one last attack to try and level it. Now to be fair, there was a bit of fannying around with the ball but McQuillan (who else?) blew up as Seanie was pulling the trigger. Like, who does that?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 12, 2024 20:55:13 GMT
The referee should blow time when he thinks its time wheather a team is attacking in the small square or have the ball on there own end line makes no difference. That’s absolute nonsense |
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Post by mitchelsontour on Sept 13, 2024 0:11:03 GMT
If you watch the video of the final few seconds of the minor final the ball drops in and is taken by a stacks player who shoots and the shot is blocked. The ref blows full time having given them the chance to score.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Sept 13, 2024 12:03:55 GMT
Mark Fitzgerald joining the u20s setup.
Tomas making plans for 2026
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Post by jerryewe on Sept 13, 2024 13:53:45 GMT
If you watch the video of the final few seconds of the minor final the ball drops in and is taken by a stacks player who shoots and the shot is blocked. The ref blows full time having given them the chance to score. Whatever about the rights & wrongs of the ref blowing up, the St Kieran’s players were quick to stop playing even though ball was still in the danger zone. |
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Post by veteran on Sept 13, 2024 13:54:15 GMT
Mark Fitzgerald leaves Clare with a year of his agreement still to go. It appears that your word is no longer your bond. Reminiscent of Jack leaving Kildare.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 13, 2024 14:50:15 GMT
Mark Fitzgerald joining the u20s setup. Tomas making plans for 2026 My thoughts exactly, that’s a big addition to his backroom team. The u20s next year are very exciting loads of quality and potential in there. It’d be brilliant to have Tomas coming into the Seniors on the back of an u20 All Ireland win. |
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Post by thehermit on Sept 13, 2024 20:34:19 GMT
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 14, 2024 0:11:38 GMT
Is fada an bóthar nach mbíonn casadh ann. It’s a long road that has no turning.
In the last couple of weeks, one evening, on the news on RTE there were two interesting reports. First there was a report about Ireland and how the enormous millions in taxes that are coming in should be spent. Then there was a report on Starmer in England giving a speech about the financial situation and how the people should be prepared for a very harsh budget. Their economy is in serious trouble and they don’t know where to turn. They are in complete denial about Brexit. That was before we found out that another 14 billion is coming our way. Years ago London could contribute to Casement Park out of petty cash. Now they have to count the pennies.
As I say “Is fada an bóthar …..”
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Post by ciarraimick on Sept 14, 2024 11:47:38 GMT
Mark Fitzgerald joining the u20s setup. Tomas making plans for 2026 My thoughts exactly, that’s a big addition to his backroom team. The u20s next year are very exciting loads of quality and potential in there. It’d be brilliant to have Tomas coming into the Seniors on the back of an u20 All Ireland win. We seem to have talent no doubt but its a big ask to win the under 20 All Ireland and the likes of Derry Tyrone and Cork will make the task very difficult. |
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Post by kerryman90 on Sept 15, 2024 6:13:14 GMT
Hearing very strong rumours of Jason foley transferring to a killarney club in 2026
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Post by likeitornot on Sept 15, 2024 9:10:39 GMT
Mark Fitzgerald joining the u20s setup. Tomas making plans for 2026 My thoughts exactly, that’s a big addition to his backroom team. The u20s next year are very exciting loads of quality and potential in there. It’d be brilliant to have Tomas coming into the Seniors on the back of an u20 All Ireland win. how is it a big addition?? what has Mark Fitzgerald achieved as a manager/coach to say he's a big addition?? Tomas (who has also achieved very little as a manager/coach) and Mark are going to be with the senior team in 2026?? id prefer to stay with Jack tbh if those lads are the alternative.. |
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Post by hurlingman on Sept 15, 2024 9:23:47 GMT
My thoughts exactly, that’s a big addition to his backroom team. The u20s next year are very exciting loads of quality and potential in there. It’d be brilliant to have Tomas coming into the Seniors on the back of an u20 All Ireland win. how is it a big addition?? what has Mark Fitzgerald achieved as a manager/coach to say he's a big addition?? Tomas (who has also achieved very little as a manager/coach) and Mark are going to be with the senior team in 2026?? id prefer to stay with Jack tbh if those lads are the alternative.. He's managed Clare and Limerick at senior level. Was involved with the Kerry minors and managed Strand Road. Is that enough for you? |
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Sept 15, 2024 9:30:57 GMT
Hearing very strong rumours of Jason foley transferring to a killarney club in 2026 Crokes? Why 2026 not 2025 if he’s going? |
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Post by likeitornot on Sept 15, 2024 10:59:05 GMT
how is it a big addition?? what has Mark Fitzgerald achieved as a manager/coach to say he's a big addition?? Tomas (who has also achieved very little as a manager/coach) and Mark are going to be with the senior team in 2026?? id prefer to stay with Jack tbh if those lads are the alternative.. He's managed Clare and Limerick at senior level. Was involved with the Kerry minors and managed Strand Road. Is that enough for you? what did he win with them? did they gain promotion in the national league during his time in charge... just because he managed a team doesnt qualify him for anything... i have no doubt he will give it all the energy he has.. im not questioning that |
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Post by mg72 on Sept 15, 2024 11:06:43 GMT
Hearing very strong rumours of Jason foley transferring to a killarney club in 2026 He works in Miltown and lives in Killarney, so it's not beyond the bounds of happening |
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