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[Annascaultilidie]

A cynical ploy to stop a glorious Longford three in a row.

[john4]

Not every young fella goes to college. Could they not have put in place a rule where sigerson or lower level college affiliated players are not allowed play IC preseason matches?

[clarinman]

Sept 8, 2024 17:08:35 GMT hurlingman said:

Sept 8, 2024 11:06:50 GMT veteran said:

I see preseason competitions are suspended for 2025. Why? I imagine the upshot will be counties scrambling around for challenge games.

People are ravenous for intercounty games at the turn of the year. I always enjoyed going to the McGrath cup games when they were within my reach. I believe the McKenna cup games attracted huge attendances . Perhaps there is a logic in this decision but it escapes me.

I personally never understood what people's issue was with them. Teams will only be training at that time of the year anyway. Plus I don't think I've ever heard of players complaining about them.

The proposal to suspend the preseason competitions came from the GPA.

[royalkerryfan]

Sept 8, 2024 19:30:01 GMT john4 said:

Not every young fella goes to college. Could they not have put in place a rule where sigerson or lower level college affiliated players are not allowed play IC preseason matches?

I'd imagine the vast majority are in 3rd level.

I think it's sensible.

The league starts end of Jan and the league is really irrelevant at this point once you are in Division 1.

[blacksheep21]

If you cannot play third level players in IC pre season comps, who will be playing then

[hurlingman]

Sept 9, 2024 9:00:04 GMT blacksheep21 said:

If you cannot play third level players in IC pre season comps, who will be playing then

I don't think being in third level is a requirement for IC football.

Fringe players etc

[john4]

Is there many in the Kerry panel going to college? What would a Kerry team look like without these lads?

[blacksheep21]

Sept 9, 2024 13:09:04 GMT hurlingman said:

Sept 9, 2024 9:00:04 GMT blacksheep21 said:

If you cannot play third level players in IC pre season comps, who will be playing then

I don't think being in third level is a requirement for IC football.

Fringe players etc

Yes, fringe players who are likely over the age of 23.

[john4]

Sept 9, 2024 14:55:30 GMT blacksheep21 said:

Sept 9, 2024 13:09:04 GMT hurlingman said:

I don't think being in third level is a requirement for IC football.

Fringe players etc

Yes, fringe players who are likely over the age of 23.

And therefore considering retirement? 🤔

[hurlingman]

Sept 9, 2024 14:55:30 GMT blacksheep21 said:

Sept 9, 2024 13:09:04 GMT hurlingman said:

I don't think being in third level is a requirement for IC football.

Fringe players etc

Yes, fringe players who are likely over the age of 23.

So if someone is over 23 they should just be forgotten about?

[blacksheep21]

Sept 9, 2024 17:19:28 GMT hurlingman said:

Sept 9, 2024 14:55:30 GMT blacksheep21 said:

Yes, fringe players who are likely over the age of 23.

So if someone is over 23 they should just be forgotten about?

Yes, that is exactly what I said🤐

[hurlingman]

Sept 9, 2024 17:29:56 GMT blacksheep21 said:

Sept 9, 2024 17:19:28 GMT hurlingman said:

So if someone is over 23 they should just be forgotten about?

Yes, that is exactly what I said🤐

Explain what you meant so?

[royalkerryfan]

What do we actually gey out of the McGrath cup ?

Giving Tip or Limerick a hiding doesn't serve us.

IF Jack played 15 panel players instead of regulars then I'd be all for it.

Dublin certainly don't roll out the big guns for the OByrne Cup infact for years Jim Gavin didn't even manage the team during those games.

Otherwise we are better getting good hard training sessions in the legs.

Winter slog might serve us better.

[horsebox77]

I think a couple of years we even entered the Kerry U21's as they were at the time to give them game time as prep for their championship.

[southward]

www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41472184.html

Paul Galvin at Kilmacud.

[ciarraimick]

Sept 9, 2024 17:29:56 GMT blacksheep21 said:

Sept 9, 2024 17:19:28 GMT hurlingman said:

So if someone is over 23 they should just be forgotten about?

Yes, that is exactly what I said🤐

Paudie Clifford was over 23 when he made it.Glad he was nt forgotten.

[Premier]

Gaelic Players Association (GPA) chief executive Tom Parsons sees November becoming a “zero contact” month at inter-county level following the decision to suspend pre-season competitions next year.

Despite 60% of counties supporting their retention in recent feedback, Central Council on Saturday voted to disband the 2025 January competitions on the grounds of player welfare and cost savings.

The GPA have long advocated for the pre-season matches to be axed. They had previously argued successfully for a six-week pre-season block for players to be ready for those competitions but Parsons now envisages collective training commencing in December.

In a memo to players this afternoon, Parsons writes: “Having had our proposal to pause pre-season competitions passed, we are now in the process of defining the new return-to-training date.
“This will move from November to December. This shift should enable us to push for an inter-county zero-contact period for the entire month of November, allowing players the much-needed rest before pre-season training resumes.

“We believe these steps, combined with the shortened season and the continued support for the split season, will improve the welfare of inter-county players and provide a healthier, more sustainable competition structure.”

Parsons confirmed GAA president Jarlath Burns had supported the GPA’s proposal to ditch the pre-season games. “This pause will significantly reduce player load and help prevent burnout, allowing players more time to recover before competitive fixtures begin,” he told members.

Parsons spoke of further data pointing to the need for rest and how 56% of players last year reported “having less than two weeks' rest between club and inter-county activities, and 78% experienced a similarly short break between the end of inter-county competitions and the start of club matches. This unsustainable schedule has been one of the main drivers for our push for change.”

He also cited 84% of players expressing backing for a smaller inter-county season of approximately seven months. “This change will not only help reduce the overall intensity and length of the competitive calendar, but it will also create more opportunities for players to engage with their clubs and participate in third-level competitions.

“This shortened season reflects the strong preference among players for a more balanced schedule, allowing adequate recovery time and reducing the risk of burnout.”

While the former Mayo footballer also mentioned players’ continued support for the split season, 83% of male footballers and hurlers backing the divide in the GAA year. “This model allows for a dedicated period for both inter-county and club competitions, ensuring that players can focus on each without overlap. The GPA remains committed to ensuring that any future changes preserve this balance and continue to prioritise player welfare.”

[horsebox77]

Anyone at the minor final last night, reading online it appears to have ended in controversy.. anyone there?

[diego]

Sept 10, 2024 6:39:41 GMT horsebox77 said:

Anyone at the minor final last night, reading online it appears to have ended in controversy.. anyone there?

Watched it online. Last play was a 45 for Stacks. Time was up so they had to go for goal. Ball was lofted in to square, Stacks won break and shot for goal but defenders blocked it on the line. Ref blew full time as he was entitled to do. St Kierans lads stopped playing when they heard whistle, and then a Stacks player went in to strike rebound to the net. No reason for controversy really. Ref had a very good game I thought.

[onlykerry]

Sept 10, 2024 9:58:51 GMT diego said:

Sept 10, 2024 6:39:41 GMT horsebox77 said:

Anyone at the minor final last night, reading online it appears to have ended in controversy.. anyone there?

Watched it online. Last play was a 45 for Stacks. Time was up so they had to go for goal. Ball was lofted in to square, Stacks won break and shot for goal but defenders blocked it on the line. Ref blew full time as he was entitled to do. St Kierans lads stopped playing when they heard whistle, and then a Stacks player went in to strike rebound to the net. No reason for controversy really. Ref had a very good game I thought.

Pretty much sums it up - Stacks wanted the play to be allowed to continue but the four minutes of injury time had elapsed. Had guys arguing there was a delay taking the 45 but it was the normal time to collect and place the ball. Kierans lads had hands in air celebrating when the ball hit the net suggesting the whistle was gone - slow motion would be required to get the sequence clear. Gut wrenching for Stacks who seemed in control for much of the match but they conceded two goals which ultimately told - Real turning point was St Kierans second goal - they turned over a Stacks attack and broke fast for a well taken goal. 
Kierans probably a better 15 as Stacks relied on some (excellent) individuals - always difficult for a club to win this competition.

[allrounder]

Sept 10, 2024 9:58:51 GMT diego said:

Sept 10, 2024 6:39:41 GMT horsebox77 said:

Anyone at the minor final last night, reading online it appears to have ended in controversy.. anyone there?

Watched it online. Last play was a 45 for Stacks. Time was up so they had to go for goal. Ball was lofted in to square, Stacks won break and shot for goal but defenders blocked it on the line. Ref blew full time as he was entitled to do. St Kierans lads stopped playing when they heard whistle, and then a Stacks player went in to strike rebound to the net. No reason for controversy really. Ref had a very good game I thought.

Watched it on Clubber, great game, great crowd, very well refereed.
Stacks were dominant in the first half and probably should have had more than a 4 point advantage.
St kierans wiped out that lead in their first two attacks of second half and were far superior in the second half.
As previous posters said, final whistle was gone, st kierans players had clearly stopped and were celebrating. No controversy

[horsebox77]

Thanks for clarification - the general consensus was ref was very good, but reading online made no sense, does now... ref gave one chance to get a winner, when chance went.. whistle went.. but Stacks played on... makes more sense now....

[givehimaball]

FRC deliberate 'seven core enhancements' for Gaelic football
10 September 2024 - 5:12PM
By John Harrington

Chairperson of the Football Review Committee, Jim Gavin, today gave a presentation in Croke Park to update GAA media on the proposed rule enhancements his committee are considering.

These have been drawn up after an extensive consultative process that has seen the committee meet 31 times, parse over 7,000 responses from a public survey, conduct a Delphi survey with GAA coaches, meet with stakeholders such as the standing committee on playing rules, the provincial councils, the national referees committee, and county board chairpersons, and trial proposed rule enhancements in five ‘sand box’ matches.

The final report is still not set in stone and there will likely be some tweaks before the FRC present it to Ard Comhairle and then showcase their proposals in the interprovincial matches on October 18/19, but some clear themes are emerging.

Currently under consideration are ‘seven core enhancements’ that Gavin spoke about at length today in Croke Park and which are as follows:

1v1 throw-in to start the game

At the start of both halves the referee would begin the game by throwing the ball in to just one player from each team. This would encourage the skill of high fielding and produce a contest for possession that would be exciting to watch for supporters.

40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system

The introduction of a new 40 metre scoring arc around both sets of goalposts would facilitate a new scoring system. Points scored from on or outside the 40 metre arc would be worth two points with points scored from within the 40 metre arc worth one point. A goal would be worth four points. Converted 45s would continue to be worth one point.

The referee would raise both arms to signal to their umpire that a two-pointer has been scored and a coloured flag that would signal a two-pointer is also under consideration.

These potential rule enhancements would encourage teams to attempt more long-range points and try to engineer more goal-scoring opportunities.

Kick-outs

Kick-outs would be taken from the 20 metre line and must go beyond the 40-metre arc. Players can be positioned behind the 20 metre line when the goalkeeper kicks the ball out. If an opposition player interferes with the goalkeeper or intercepts the ball within the 40 metre arc then the ball would be brought forward 50 metres.

Requiring goalkeepers to kick the ball beyond the 40 metre arc would lead to more contests for possession. Allowing players to remain behind the 20 metre line would speed up the kick-out.

'Solo and Go'

A player who is fouled has the option of continuing play by taking a ‘solo and go’ rather than pausing play to take a free. It doesn’t have to be the player who is fouled that takes the ‘solo and go’. For example, if a player was grounded by a foul they could hand the ball to their nearest team-mate who could then take the ‘solo and go’. Still being teased out by the committee is when the player who takes a ‘solo and go’ can be tackled by the opposition. Options include allowing the player who takes the ‘solo and go’ to take four steps before being tackled, or to carry the ball a defined number of metres before being tackled. In trial matches the ‘solo and go’ has significantly speeded up the game.

Advanced mark

You can claim an offensive mark if you field a ball inside the 20-metre line that has been kicked from outside the 45 metre line. But, rather than stop and claim the mark, players can instead continue to play and attempt to score from open play. The referee plays advantage and if none accrues then the ball is brought back for the mark. Rather than limit an advantage to five seconds, consideration is being given to allowing referees to give advantage for as long as there’s positive momentum.

This potential rule enhancement combined with a four-point goal should incentivise teams to kick long into forwards and would reward the skills of kick-passing and high fielding. It would also potentially lead to more goal-scoring chances.

Limits on passing to the goalkeeper

A player may only pass the ball to their goalkeeper if both they and the goalkeeper are inside the large rectangle or if the goalkeeper has advanced beyond their own 65 yard line. The goalkeeper can still move up the field to challenge the opposition kick-out or attempt to intercept a pass from the opposition. This potential rule enhancement would cut down on back-passing to goalkeepers, incentivise teams to push up on opposition defenders, and create more contests for possession.

3/3 Up/Back

This rule enhancement under consideration would oblige both teams to always have a minimum of three players inside each 65 yard line. So, if you’re the defending team, you must keep three outfield players inside the opposition ’65 and defend with a maximum of 11 players outside it. If a defending player retreats beyond the ’65 to give his team a numerical advantage then they would concede a free on their own 13 metre line to the opposition. If a player carries the ball past their own ’65 and leaves less than three team-mates behind them then a free is given to the opposition at the point where they crossed the line.

By having to keep three up and three back, space should be created for the attacking team. If the defending team turns the ball over they’d have an opportunity to kick in the counter-attack to which should lead to more end to end action.

***

The Football Review Committee are also working on a number of other proposals relating to foul play, dissent, and game officiating that would further buttress the ‘seven core enhancements’.

These include but are not limited to the following:

Penalising tactical fouls

Tactical fouls that slow down the game such as holding up an opposition player, throwing the ball away, or interfering with free-kicks, sideline balls, and kick-outs would be penalised by bringing the ball forward 50 metres. Players would also have the option of taking a ‘solo and go’.

Penalising dissent

If a player forcibly challenges a referee the opposition can bring the ball forward 50 metres.

Aggressive dissent from an identifiable team official or non-playing subs would result in a 13 metre free-kick being awarded against that team.

Square ball rule

The square ball rule for free-kicks would be aligned with the general play rule whereby a player can enter the opposition’s square as soon as the ball is kicked.

Head to head contact

Any head to head contact be it intentional or unintentional would be a red-card offence.

Contributing to a melee

Contributing to a melee would be a black-card offence unless your intention is to remove a team-mate from the melee.

Overtime showdown

This would be a means of determining the outcome of a game without penalties or potentially even extra-time. If game is drawn the ball is thrown in again and the game is continued until one team scores. The other team then gets one more opportunity to score. If they score and that ties the game then the ball is thrown up again and whoever scores next wins the game.

Stop clock

The match would be timed by a stop clock and the end of the game signalled by a hooter. The committee are still considering a couple of different options regarding the hooter. One option is that the game would be over as soon as the hooter sounds. Another option is that after the hooter sounds the game doesn’t end until the ball goes dead, thereby giving the team in possession one last chance to score if they so wish.

Vanishing foam

Referees would mark the spot from where a free-kick should be taken with vanishing foam to prevent free-takers from stealing yards.

Sideline official

Currently the sideline official can only bring an infraction they have spotted to the attention of the referee during a break in play. The FRC are considering a proposal that would allow the sideline official to do this at any stage in the game and thereby assist in a more meaningful way.

Substitutions

The number of substitutions a team can make would rise from five to six.

***

Special Congress will convene on November 30 to facilitate the introduction of the trial of rule enhancements for 2025 competitions.

That trial would include a mid-season 2025 review before the formal end of the trial with the completion of the 2025 championships.

It is envisaged that a full review will take place at that juncture with a view to the adoption of new rules for football from January 1, 2026.

FRC MEMBERS

COLM COLLINS - Cratloe GAA, County Clare
PATRICK DOHERTY - The Downs GAA, County Westmeath
ÉAMONN FITZMAURICE - Fingue GAA, County Kerry
SHANE FLANAGAN - Johnstownbridge GAA, County Kildare
JIM GAVIN - Round Towers GAA, Clondalkin, County Dublin
JAMES HORAN - Ballintubber GAA, County Mayo
ALEC MCQUILLAN - Con Magees Glenravel GAC, County Antrim
MICHAEL MEANEY - Old Leighlin GAA, County Carlow
MICHAEL MURPHY - Glenswilly GAA, County Donegal
COLM NALLY - Newtown Blues GAA, County Louth
MALACHY O'ROURKE - Derrylin O'Connell’s GAA, Co Fermanagh
**SÉAMUS KENNY (Runaí) –**Simonstown Gaels GFC, County Meath

www.gaa.ie/article/frc-deliberate-seven-core-enhancements-for-gaelic-football

[kerrybhoy06]

Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game.

I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy.

If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed.

Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here.

[veteran]

I notice, as in Kerry, Dublin have appointed an in-house , low profile manager for their hurlers. Perhaps, sanity is making a comeback in making these appointments. It makes economic sense anyway.

[veteran]

Sept 11, 2024 7:32:28 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game.

I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy.

If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed.

Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here.

I wasn’t at the match but the incident reminds me of a similar occurrence in a Kerry hurling final I attended a few years ago. The trailing team were awarded a last minute close in free Seemingly, the referee told the free taker he would have to score direct. The free was blocked but the ricochet was blasted home. The “ goal” didn’t stand. Needless to say all hell broke loose but the referee stood his ground. I cannot recall the the year or the teams involved. Perhaps , our hurling brethren could help me out.

I wonder did the referee tell the Stacks free taker he would have to score direct?

[john4]

Sept 11, 2024 7:32:28 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game.

I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy.

If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed.

Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here.

I would have thought that if the ref indicated last attack, until such time as the ball goes dead or the defending team actually hold the ball in hand - the game continues.

The Kierans players stopped playing on the whistle in any case so may have blocked Ben Murphy's shot.

Physically holding the ball for me indicates game over.

[givehimaball]

It will be an absolute travesty if the hooter isn't brought in for both football and hurling.

The fact that it wasn't brought in years ago after passing in Congress (twice) is one of the great failures of the GAA, especially when you see how well it works in the ladies game. It would have saved so much hassle over the years.

[blacksheep21]

Sept 11, 2024 9:59:53 GMT givehimaball said:

It will be an absolute travesty if the hooter isn't brought in for both football and hurling.

The fact that it wasn't brought in years ago after passing in Congress (twice) is one of the great failures of the GAA, especially when you see how well it works in the ladies game. It would have saved so much hassle over the years.

I don’t like the way it operates in ladies football. A form of the hooter where the game ends once the ball is out of play after the hooter would work better.

[blacksheep21]

Sept 11, 2024 7:32:28 GMT kerrybhoy06 said:

Ah lads I can’t agree with the above assessment on the stacks game.

I’m no fan of stacks, to put it lightly, but for the ref to blow for full time when the ball is 6/7 yards from Kieran’s goal is absolutely crazy.

If we lost an all Ireland final like that then we would be saying that we were robbed.

Ffs it was a ludicrous decision and saying that the time was up as per the clock is one thing but we are asking for officials to apply common sense and the ref didn’t here.

Agreed, no one would have complained if the ref blew up after the ball went in the net.