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Post by kerrygold on May 1, 2019 7:45:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 8:20:47 GMT
More of the same on the championship structure but it is hard to argue that the provincial system is dead in the water at this stage for football. The tv coverage tells the story.
The point on the 45 and 65 is a fair one also. The consequence for conceding a 45 or 65 is out of step with the 'offence'
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2019 10:38:47 GMT
Paul Flynn has retired from inter county due to back problems.
He was a great player in his heyday and a key man when Dublin were moving from also rans to the top table.
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2019 10:45:40 GMT
More of the same on the championship structure but it is hard to argue that the provincial system is dead in the water at this stage for football. The tv coverage tells the story. The football league already gives us a super 8 in football. All they have to do is put them into two groups of 4. There should two separate championships for other counties.... one for division two teams..... and a combined one fir div 3 and 4 teams. The finals of the those two competitions could be played before the all ireland semi finals thereby giving exposure and tv coverage |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 11:19:36 GMT
Not sure the will is there to deal with the provincial councils currently
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 12:39:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 12:43:51 GMT
Big pity for him and the team. Hope the recovery goes well.
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Post by givehimaball on May 1, 2019 16:10:42 GMT
Article on Mark O'Connor - Between this and some stuff I've seen elsewhere it looks like he won't be donning the green and gold any time soon. He looks to have really kicked on in terms of his development and nailed down a place in the team, which is serious going given Geelong are top of the table at the monent. Mark's contract with Geelong is up this year (the rules about the international rookie contracts mean that they could only give him a one year extension last year) If I had to guess right now I would say the likeliest development is that he signs a three year contract with Geelong in the next few months, keeping him in Australia until the end of 2022. It'd definitely worth watching the clips to see how he has developed physically. Stefan Okunbor has a slight injury at the moment, but I read that the club have been pleased at how well he's settling in and there was also mention of what good physical condition he was in. www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/he-does-things-every-week-that-take-us-by-surprise-kerrys-mark-oconnor-making-waves-in-australia-921313.html |
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Post by Mickmack on May 1, 2019 20:30:09 GMT
Is the grand old lady of Kerry, The Kerryman, now owned by a Dutch company?
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Post by ballhopper34 on May 1, 2019 23:54:04 GMT
Mayo's Cillian O'Connor needs 12 points to surpass Colm Cooper as all-time championship leading scorer.
Colm has 23-283 from 85 games, while Cillian has 23-272 from a mere 48 games. Cillian turns 27 in mid-May, so he has a few more years of putting a pretty big gap between him and the Gooch.
By the way, Mikey Sheehy is in third place on 29-205, trailing Gooch by 60 points.
Cillian also leads the average per game category at 7.1. Only Matt Connor from Offaly is even close at 7.0 over his 26 championship games. Only others in the Top 21 averaging 6.0 or more are Colin Corkery (Cork) at 6.2 and Mikey Sheehy at 6.0.
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Post by glengael on May 2, 2019 8:23:41 GMT
Is the grand old lady of Kerry, The Kerryman, now owned by a Dutch company? One would think so as they bought INM lock stock and barrel. The latest Waterford Hospital scandal has shown the value of a strong local media presence. I hope Kerry will always have that and that local journalists will get the support and resources needed to uncover uncomfortable truths. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 14:43:20 GMT
Mayo's Cillian O'Connor needs 12 points to surpass Colm Cooper as all-time championship leading scorer. Colm has 23-283 from 85 games, while Cillian has 23-272 from a mere 48 games. Cillian turns 27 in mid-May, so he has a few more years of putting a pretty big gap between him and the Gooch. By the way, Mikey Sheehy is in third place on 29-205, trailing Gooch by 60 points. Cillian also leads the average per game category at 7.1. Only Matt Connor from Offaly is even close at 7.0 over his 26 championship games. Only others in the Top 21 averaging 6.0 or more are Colin Corkery (Cork) at 6.2 and Mikey Sheehy at 6.0. This is a crazy stat. I don't even think hes very good. But this is impressive at his age. |
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Post by onlykerry on May 2, 2019 16:20:14 GMT
Mayo's Cillian O'Connor needs 12 points to surpass Colm Cooper as all-time championship leading scorer. Colm has 23-283 from 85 games, while Cillian has 23-272 from a mere 48 games. Cillian turns 27 in mid-May, so he has a few more years of putting a pretty big gap between him and the Gooch. By the way, Mikey Sheehy is in third place on 29-205, trailing Gooch by 60 points. Cillian also leads the average per game category at 7.1. Only Matt Connor from Offaly is even close at 7.0 over his 26 championship games. Only others in the Top 21 averaging 6.0 or more are Colin Corkery (Cork) at 6.2 and Mikey Sheehy at 6.0. I would far prefer Gooch, Sheehy, or Matt Connor in my team - stats dont lie but I still don't rate Cillian O Connor in my list of greats. Of the names listed most were free takers in their teams - Gooch was not the regular go to free taker to the same extent (I think). Do the stats men have "from play" stats for players. |
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Post by baurtregaum on May 2, 2019 17:45:02 GMT
Mayo's Cillian O'Connor needs 12 points to surpass Colm Cooper as all-time championship leading scorer. Colm has 23-283 from 85 games, while Cillian has 23-272 from a mere 48 games. Cillian turns 27 in mid-May, so he has a few more years of putting a pretty big gap between him and the Gooch. By the way, Mikey Sheehy is in third place on 29-205, trailing Gooch by 60 points. Cillian also leads the average per game category at 7.1. Only Matt Connor from Offaly is even close at 7.0 over his 26 championship games. Only others in the Top 21 averaging 6.0 or more are Colin Corkery (Cork) at 6.2 and Mikey Sheehy at 6.0. I would far prefer Gooch, Sheehy, or Matt Connor in my team - stats dont lie but I still don't rate Cillian O Connor in my list of greats. Of the names listed most were free takers in their teams - Gooch was not the regular go to free taker to the same extent (I think). Do the stats men have "from play" stats for players. "Lies, damn lies, and statistics" as someone once said. Cillian is not in the same league as the 3 players you mention but he has been with a team that has gotten to the latter stages of the championship (a championship with far more games then Connor or Sheehy played in) nearly every year since he started, with replays, etc.. Gooch started in 2002, Dara O'Cinneade was our main freetaker until he retired in 2005. Bryan Sheehan took over a few years later as our main freetaker. Bryan was regularly in the top 3 or 4 scorers in the country IIRC. He could score from play but his freetaking definitely skews his stats. In short, Gooch was never our main go to guy for frees and I don't remember him kicking anything outside of 35 yards regularly for Kerry. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:43:00 GMT
I don't believe anyone is saying cillian o Connor is an all time great but what he has done is a great achievement and should be acknowledged as such.
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2019 19:17:15 GMT
COC is a great footballer.
But injuries arising from being so good so young will take their toll over the coming years.
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Post by southward on May 2, 2019 19:24:38 GMT
Mayo's Cillian O'Connor needs 12 points to surpass Colm Cooper as all-time championship leading scorer. Colm has 23-283 from 85 games, while Cillian has 23-272 from a mere 48 games. Cillian turns 27 in mid-May, so he has a few more years of putting a pretty big gap between him and the Gooch. By the way, Mikey Sheehy is in third place on 29-205, trailing Gooch by 60 points. Cillian also leads the average per game category at 7.1. Only Matt Connor from Offaly is even close at 7.0 over his 26 championship games. Only others in the Top 21 averaging 6.0 or more are Colin Corkery (Cork) at 6.2 and Mikey Sheehy at 6.0. And there was me thinking he was just a miserable cynical pr*ck. How wrong one can be, eh? |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 2, 2019 20:23:32 GMT
I don't believe anyone is saying cillian o Connor is an all time great but what he has done is a great achievement and should be acknowledged as such. I hate him, I still think he is terribly overrated, but nobody can doubt his scoring record and leadership qualities. I am growing to grudgingly respect him. I wouldn't have him near a Kerry team (contradicting what I said about leadership which we are lacking). His brother has some engine. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 2, 2019 20:30:33 GMT
I don't believe anyone is saying cillian o Connor is an all time great but what he has done is a great achievement and should be acknowledged as such. I hate him, I still think he is terribly overrated, but nobody can doubt his scoring record and leadership qualities.I am growing to grudgingly respect him. I wouldn't have him near a Kerry team (contradicting what I said about leadership which we are lacking). His brother has some engine. a fine example of an oxymoron |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 3, 2019 7:24:55 GMT
I hate him, I still think he is terribly overrated, but nobody can doubt his scoring record and leadership qualities.I am growing to grudgingly respect him. I wouldn't have him near a Kerry team (contradicting what I said about leadership which we are lacking). His brother has some engine. a fine example of an oxymoron You're right. He isn't rated that highly. |
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2019 7:33:46 GMT
Cillian O'Connor is a fine forward, top class in fact. Outside of the All-Ireland winning counties he is probably the best of the forwards out there still looking for his medal.
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Post by kerrygold on May 3, 2019 7:42:58 GMT
Article on Mark O'Connor - Between this and some stuff I've seen elsewhere it looks like he won't be donning the green and gold any time soon. He looks to have really kicked on in terms of his development and nailed down a place in the team, which is serious going given Geelong are top of the table at the monent. Mark's contract with Geelong is up this year (the rules about the international rookie contracts mean that they could only give him a one year extension last year) If I had to guess right now I would say the likeliest development is that he signs a three year contract with Geelong in the next few months, keeping him in Australia until the end of 2022. It'd definitely worth watching the clips to see how he has developed physically. Stefan Okunbor has a slight injury at the moment, but I read that the club have been pleased at how well he's settling in and there was also mention of what good physical condition he was in. www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/he-does-things-every-week-that-take-us-by-surprise-kerrys-mark-oconnor-making-waves-in-australia-921313.htmlI suspect he's gone now, a Kerry great slipped through the net. It will be very costly for Kerry next decade in terms of challenging for All-Irelands. A lose lose situation for Kerry on a grand scale. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 3, 2019 8:27:12 GMT
If a lad chooses to go to Oz of his own volition to play Aussie Rules and makes the cut, then there is nothing much that can be said except good luck to him.
And forget about it.
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Post by Mickmack on May 3, 2019 8:31:08 GMT
a fine example of an oxymoron You're right. He isn't rated that highly. I hope you dont literally mean that you hate him. Thats an terrible word to use when talking about sport. |
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Post by taggert on May 3, 2019 8:45:54 GMT
All a matter of opinion.
CoC is not a great player in my book (sound like Dunphy now!).
Rationale -
The number of big games where his high return from frees otherwise disguises his very low return from play.
The games against Dublin where he failed to deliver the killer blows (he had the chances) to elevate him from good to great.
His horrible penchant for feigning injury and trying to get players booked and sent off.
His scoring record is bloated by being long and short free taker - Kerry had Gooch short and Sheehan long and 45's.
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Post by clarinman on May 3, 2019 9:09:47 GMT
All a matter of opinion. CoC is not a great player in my book (sound like Dunphy now!). Rationale - The number of big games where his high return from frees otherwise disguises his very low return from play. The games against Dublin where he failed to deliver the killer blows (he had the chances) to elevate him from good to great. His horrible penchant for feigning injury and trying to get players booked and sent off. His scoring record is bloated by being long and short free taker - Kerry had Gooch short and Sheehan long and 45's. Let's not forget his red card for a nasty kick at a Kerry player at the end of extra time in Limerick in 2014. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 3, 2019 9:16:57 GMT
You're right. He isn't rated that highly. I hope you dont literally mean that you hate him. Thats an terrible word to use when talking about sport. I hate him in the context of sport. His behaviour on the pitch leaves a lot to be desired. In the same way I would hate to see Dublin do the five in a row. But both get my respect. Of course I do not know the man on a personal level and do not hate him on that level, of course. You do not respect those you hate. |
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Post by sullyschoice on May 3, 2019 18:08:00 GMT
More of the same on the championship structure but it is hard to argue that the provincial system is dead in the water at this stage for football. The tv coverage tells the story. The football league already gives us a super 8 in football. All they have to do is put them into two groups of 4. There should two separate championships for other counties.... one for division two teams..... and a combined one fir div 3 and 4 teams. The finals of the those two competitions could be played before the all ireland semi finals thereby giving exposure and tv coverage Cork would surely be in with a shout of making a final. |
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Post by kerrygold on May 5, 2019 12:39:49 GMT
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Post by hatchetman on May 6, 2019 11:13:28 GMT
I'm surprised Eugene McGee's achievements haven't received more comments.
I suppose 82' is still a bit raw!
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