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Post by glengael on May 7, 2019 8:53:34 GMT
Well I feel anyone who lived through 1982 will never forget him. Kerry lost a place in history that was within their grasp but there was another side to the coin. Eugene McGee managed Offaly and they gradually closed the gap on Kerry over those years until in those closing moments, they struck the hammer blow and it counted.
It was a major achievement and all the more so when you consider they were so competitive in hurling also in that era.
May he rest in peace.
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Post by Mickmack on May 7, 2019 10:37:59 GMT
The news of his death was a shock as he seemed fit and well and was actively involved in GAA matters up to very recently.
He was a great GAA man.
His achievements UCD are overlooked by 1982.
His columns were always interesting.
Sad news.
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Post by baurtregaum on May 7, 2019 12:37:08 GMT
Well I feel anyone who lived through 1982 will never forget him. Kerry lost a place in history that was within their grasp but there was another side to the coin. Eugene McGee managed Offaly and they gradually closed the gap on Kerry over those years until in those closing moments, they struck the hammer blow and it counted. It was a major achievement and all the more so when you consider they were so competitive in hurling also in that era. May he rest in peace. Mick Foley's book "Kings of September" is well worth a gander for any team or individual in sport trying to reach the holy grail. As you say gradual improvements year on year and taking the chance when you get it. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 7, 2019 18:24:08 GMT
For wan reason or another I haven't been contribitin' here of late but with the passing of a great, 'wan of our own', needs must, others will flesh the bone!
My tuppenny bit for what it's worth, '82 was remembered for .. ah was not remembered for was how good Offaly were and that was a star studded panel - Veteran & co will gan dabht (hopefully) tell us more, suffice as to say Eugene was a noteworthy manager by any estimation.
He was also a bright man in the area of reform and it was such a pity his report wasn't taken more seriously. e.g. if referees implemented the black card properly then cynical fouling wouldn't be as common. There is increasingly sinister stuff going on and apart from the distraction, it is dangerous and moreover for amateur players who may have to stay off work.
Whatever it is but time and again the obvious and simple solution is not implemented and the result is that everyone loses out in one way or another.
He was a flawless GAA storyteller IMO and he passed the acid test of the craft in that he was transparent, i.e. he had you at the scene and as a master of the balancing act of conveying the facts while offering a view, he left you enough space to think for yourself. He had no 'form' in that you didn't have to allow for a slant that many commentators develop on various issues, no need for a pinch of salt where he signed his name, and the GAA is a better place for his contribution.
I don't think there is any negativity towards him anywhere, why would there?, all he did was his best and while he cost us an honour, we are not unsporting, and sure we beat them on many an occasion and they are still good company when we all meet up.
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Post by Mickmack on May 7, 2019 19:22:30 GMT
A shrewd businessman too he made a success of the Longford Leader and sold it at the right time to a Scottish newspaper for a ball of money.
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Post by Mickmack on May 7, 2019 22:59:27 GMT
3 nil win at home for Barcelona
4 nil win at home for Liverpool
Playing at home matters.
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Post by ballhopper34 on May 10, 2019 14:48:55 GMT
3 nil win at home for Barcelona 4 nil win at home for Liverpool Playing at home matters. 1-0 loss for Spurs at home 3-2 loss for Ajax at home Does it really? |
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2019 17:22:04 GMT
I have never seen a team giving up home advantage yet!
Its huge in the Heineken Cup.
The excitement in Waterford about having home games in front of 12k supporters is massive this year in the hurling
Of course it matters.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 19:13:52 GMT
It has proven to matter in pretty much all sport since sports began
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Post by ballhopper34 on May 10, 2019 19:59:38 GMT
I have never seen a team giving up home advantage yet! Its huge in the Heineken Cup. The excitement in Waterford about having home games in front of 12k supporters is massive this year in the hurling Of course it matters. Just pointing out that making a hurried decision with a very low sample is not wise. I think we can all agree that the home team has some sort of advantage in the long run, but not 100% of the time obviously. So what exactly is home advantage? A huge study on home court advantage in the NBA shows the home team winning around 60%. A further breakdown into the factors that may cause this winning percentage reveal that the influence of the crowd on refereeing decisions was the biggest factor (ahead of familiarity with surroundings, ahead of sleeping at home, ahead of any psychological impact of being at home and your opponent being on the road). The NBA playoffs have an even higher home winning percentage average at 65%, which is odd, given that no weak teams make the play-offs. One year had an almost 75% home advantage. At the end of it all, in football if the home team gets a single close-in free that is questionable, while the road team does not, means a two-point swing for the home team. That is huge. |
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Post by glengael on May 10, 2019 21:02:46 GMT
The Examiner will have an article from a former Kerry manager in tomorrow's edition- as predicted by my goodself some time back...I'm now thinking of going to Puck in August and trying to make a few bob with my predictions..Madam Glenda has a certain ring to it, does it not?
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Post by givehimaball on May 15, 2019 22:50:28 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2019 8:55:48 GMT
some job of work in that! I wonder will Limerick have the same manic collective hunger this year that drove the above stats. The Limerick keeper is something else ....and he play CHB for his club. If anything Limerick are a biteen too cerebral in their approach...but thats a neutral view. Paul Kinnerk seems to be a top class operator. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2019 8:24:29 GMT
Sad to hear that Anton O'Toole has died aged 68. A great player in the Dublin team of the 70's. His direct running at a defense as well as his ability to kick long range points with that left foot were a huge part of his teams success.
I think he kicked 4 points from play in the 1977 semi final.
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Post by glengael on May 17, 2019 8:59:08 GMT
Sad to hear that. May he rest in peace. Such a familiar name from a childhood dominated by the rivalry with the Dubs. We used to think Anton was such an exotic name, surely it should be Anthony or Tony we said. Great days.
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Post by veteran on May 17, 2019 11:42:26 GMT
Sad to hear of Anton’s death . He was a marvelous player, tall and rangy . Very difficult to stop. Riddled Ger Power in 1977, kicking four points, to such an extent that Micko decided thereafter that Ger’s best position was wing forward. Seven All-Ireland medals later suggested that was a prudent switch!
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Post by kerryexile on May 17, 2019 13:12:38 GMT
Sad to hear of Anton’s death . He was a marvelous player, tall and rangy . Very difficult to stop. Riddled Ger Power in 1977, kicking four points, to such an extent that Micko decided thereafter that Ger’s best position was wing forward. Seven All-Ireland medals later suggested that was a prudent switch! As usual you are correct Veteran but it must be said that Ger was always considered a forward and captained Kerry Minors to an All Ireland Final replay against Galway playing all year at left half forward. Anton was a tough assignment for any back. He was tall, fast, accurate and had an engine. Heffo wouldn't have kept him on the panel for so long if he wasn't something special. He played for Dublin u21's under the management of Eugene McGee in the early 70's. Eugene made a name for himself in club football in Dublin in the early 70's managing UCD to win at least 1 Dublin co championship and had success in the AI club too. His team was built around John O'Keeffe (playing at centre back if I remember correctly). |
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2019 19:04:04 GMT
I might be wrong but I think twas Anton that buried Cork with a goal in the 1974 semi in a game that Cork as reigning champs were hot favourites to win.
A pile driver to the roof of the net.
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Post by sullyschoice on May 17, 2019 23:02:59 GMT
Anton O Toole was a very stylish player. One of the most influential players on that Dublin team along with Mullins and Keaveney.
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2019 8:00:20 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 21, 2019 18:33:21 GMT
A bad day for goalkeepers- freshers football used to be played into small goals, I wonder is it still? |
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2019 18:49:34 GMT
imagine the face on the poor keeper from Tullamore on the bus home. 11 goals conceeded in 30 mins.
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Post by dc84 on May 21, 2019 19:23:32 GMT
A bad day for goalkeepers- freshers football used to be played into small goals, I wonder is it still? That's a good point I was coaching an under 13 team here (dublin) and they played full pitch and goals made for silly scorelines at times 15 goals were often scored especially with a wind could be very hard to get out once a team got a run |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 22, 2019 6:44:21 GMT
A bad day for goalkeepers- freshers football used to be played into small goals, I wonder is it still? That's a good point I was coaching an under 13 team here (dublin) and they played full pitch and goals made for silly scorelines at times 15 goals were often scored especially with a wind could be very hard to get out once a team got a run Previously full size goals weren't used until 14s - bit crazy to put an 11/12 year old in full goals and probably bad for the outfield players too as they know almost anything on target may drop in and thus will just hit shots from everywhere |
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Post by tpo on May 22, 2019 11:08:43 GMT
Its should be necessary to read the account of the loosing team before commenting on the result
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Post by givehimaball on May 23, 2019 18:38:39 GMT
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Post by glengael on Jun 4, 2019 8:31:17 GMT
At the risk of stating the obvious, history will be made this summer one way or another. Dublin will complete 5 in a row and make history or some other team will stop them and do likewise. The team, if any, who beats them may not even win the All Ireland.
Kerry's rebuilding needs to be seen on its own merits. It will be a long and tricky process to get the best out of a phenomenal run at minor level and build it forward to senior level. Yes it is natural to view Dublin as the yardstick and constantly reference who might beat them. It would be the same if it was Galway or Monaghan or Kildare or whoever that were All Ireland champions now.
But the reality is Kerry senior football has a new manager, starting from a low base, and has lost its most recent leader and many experienced players to retirement over the past few seasons. Change is difficult and it is made more difficult because our keenest rivals are on top. It was the same in post 1987 era when Cork were in the ascendancy.
Patience is not a plentiful virtue in Kerry but maybe we need to learn it, for our own sakes.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 4, 2019 11:35:45 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 4, 2019 12:01:40 GMT
He was also back in Gallurus yesterday. |
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 5, 2019 17:43:28 GMT
No surprise here - O'Connor signs a 3 year contract with Geelong until the end of 2022. Pleased for him, saddened for Kerry. Geelong are top of the table with 10 wins from 11 games. This is half-way through the regular season (22 games in the regular season) The top 8 teams after 22 games go on to the Finals Season which is knock-out. Who you play is determined by where in the top 8 you finish - The top four teams need to win only two games to reach the Grand Final, while the second four teams need to win three. The two winning teams of the top four receive a bye in the second week of the playoff and then play at home in the third week, and the two losing teams play at home in the second week. www.geelongcats.com.au/news/2019-06-05/two-young-stars-sign-on |
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