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Post by onlykerry on Jun 7, 2019 9:58:07 GMT
Mannion appeal over his red card has been successful with the reason being quoted as
That appeal has been successful, the CHC ruling that the alleged infraction of "behaving in a way which is dangerous to an opponent" could not be proven.
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Post by southward on Jun 7, 2019 18:51:39 GMT
Mannion appeal over his red card has been successful with the reason being quoted as That appeal has been successful, the CHC ruling that the alleged infraction of "behaving in a way which is dangerous to an opponent" could not be proven. Dublin player gets off on appeal - imagine! |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 7, 2019 19:44:35 GMT
Mannion appeal over his red card has been successful with the reason being quoted as That appeal has been successful, the CHC ruling that the alleged infraction of "behaving in a way which is dangerous to an opponent" could not be proven. Dublin player gets off on appeal - imagine! At least it wasn't on a technicality: was it not just a strong shoulder? |
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Post by bishop on Jun 7, 2019 19:54:27 GMT
Mannion appeal over his red card has been successful with the reason being quoted as That appeal has been successful, the CHC ruling that the alleged infraction of "behaving in a way which is dangerous to an opponent" could not be proven. .....cause shouldering an opponent into the head isnt dangerous to be fair. Pity it wasnt captured by tv cameras either in order to prove it...... (only a slightly sarcastic post.....)  |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 7, 2019 23:25:39 GMT
This clip isn't the full clip as far as I can see
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 8, 2019 8:25:26 GMT
It was not shoulder to shoulder as Whelan is saying. Mannion hits him in the front of the shoulder which is the chest.
I dont think it was an intentional act of malice but it was a badly executed one and it was dangerous.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 8, 2019 9:08:00 GMT
I think a comparison can be drawn with the bicycle kick in soccer. Its dangerous and if you kick an opponent its a red card.
If you dont kick an oppenent and you score a goal in the process you are a hero.
The shoulder charge is legal only if you succeed in hitting your opponent fairly on the shoulder. If you dont then you are in either red or yellow card territory depending on how bad it is.
The Mannion clip was a card. The clip is not clear enough to decipher whether red or yellow.
I presume the red was reduced to a yellow...is that what happened here.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 8, 2019 10:23:00 GMT
I think it was reduced. With the conditioning and speed of lads now we will have more of this I think there has to be a duty of care like in rugby think Morgan should've got red for his hit on Andrews as well. Someone will end up in a bad way if the gaa don't look at this imo.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 8, 2019 11:53:59 GMT
The way I think about the rules around dangerous play in rugby are as follows.
It is not that dangerous play is a yellow card but you are unlucky to hurt the player it is a red.
But rather dangerous play is a red card but if you are lucky enough not to injure someone you get away with a yellow.
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Post by diego on Jun 8, 2019 12:07:21 GMT
When I saw the that hit by Mannion on the Louth player I thought fair play to the ref for making a big decision against a high profile player for an act of dangerous play - a frontal charge similar to the infamous Kevin Mc 'tackle' on Peter Crowley.
Now you have this recurring farce where the Sunday Game make excuses for the sanctioned player, Dublin yet again act in disgrace refusing to accept the suspension, and then the GAA buckles yet again and refuse to back their official.
Who'd be a referee today when their authority is undermined time and time again with situations like this.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 8, 2019 12:17:49 GMT
The bit in bold below in from Anthony Daly's article today.
Is it possible to pay to view today's game between Kerry v Laois on GAA NOW on a pay per view basis or is that option available only to those outside Ireland.
The great pity is that the Joe McDonagh has had such little profile, which is why it’s great to see today’s games between Kerry and Laois, and Antrim and Westmeath, being shown on GAA Now. The exposure is fully deserved.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 8, 2019 12:25:21 GMT
www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/421979/laois-hurlers-crucial-clash-against-kerry-this-weekend-set-to-be-broadcast-live.htmlLaois hurlers crucial clash against Kerry this weekend set to be broadcast live Greg Mulhall Greg Mulhall5 Jun 2019Email: greg.mulhall@leinsterexpress.ie 0share Laois hurlers finally set to get some airtime this weekend Laois line out against Antrim in the Joe McDonagh Cup Round 2 at O'Moore Park. Picture: Alf Harvey The Joe McDonagh Cup heads into Round 4 this weekend with the Laois Senior hurlers travelling to Tralee to take on Kerry, and for the first time this year the game will be available to watch. While the game won't be televised on terrestrial channels, it will be live-streamed on the GAA's GAANow service meaning hurling fans will be able to watch the game online. There has been no shortage of criticism for the GAA for their coverage of the Joe McDonagh Cup, the second tier Hurling Championship. RTE have come under considerable scrutiny for their lack of televised McDonagh Cup fixtures, and to add insult to injury, airtime on their flagship highlights programme The Sunday Game has been almost non-existent. Eddie Brennan's Laois hurlers can secure their place in the Joe McDonagh Cup final this weekend with a game to spare if they beat Kerry at Austin Stack Park on Saturday. They opened their campaign with an exhilarating win against neighbours Offaly in a cracking game at O'Connor Park, serving up fifty scores between them in a high-scoring 4-22 to 3-21 victory. They strengthened their credentials as favourites for the competition with a convincing eight-point victory over Antrim at O'Moore Park in Round 2. The GAANow service, separate to the GAAGo service, was previously primarily used for video archives and clips but last weekend live-streamed the Offaly v Antrim Joe McDonagh Cup clash. This weekend, both McDonagh Cup games - Kerry v Laois and Antrim v Westmeath - will be available to stream online, and for free to make it all the better. While we would encourage as many Laois supporters as possible to get behind the team and lend their support down in Tralee as Eddie Brennan's men look to continue their good run to date, the GAANow service is much welcomed and provides an outlet to supporters that may otherwise be unable to attend. The game will be available to stream at this link HERE.
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 8, 2019 12:32:45 GMT
When I saw the that hit by Mannion on the Louth player I thought fair play to the ref for making a big decision against a high profile player for an act of dangerous play - a frontal charge similar to the infamous Kevin Mc 'tackle' on Peter Crowley. Now you have this recurring farce where the Sunday Game make excuses for the sanctioned player, Dublin yet again act in disgrace refusing to accept the suspension, and then the GAA buckles yet again and refuse to back their official. Who'd be a referee today when their authority is undermined time and time again with situations like this. Do you not think there was enough doubt in the attempted shoulder to justify an appeal? Also, DCB "acting in disgrace" is a bit strong. |
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Post by diego on Jun 8, 2019 12:49:58 GMT
When I saw the that hit by Mannion on the Louth player I thought fair play to the ref for making a big decision against a high profile player for an act of dangerous play - a frontal charge similar to the infamous Kevin Mc 'tackle' on Peter Crowley. Now you have this recurring farce where the Sunday Game make excuses for the sanctioned player, Dublin yet again act in disgrace refusing to accept the suspension, and then the GAA buckles yet again and refuse to back their official. Who'd be a referee today when their authority is undermined time and time again with situations like this. Do you not think there was enough doubt in the attempted shoulder to justify an appeal? Also, DCB "acting in disgrace" is a bit strong. No, I don't think there is any way you can fairly shoulder an opponent who is directly in front of you. At best it was reckless. Dublin not the only county to do it I know, but the disgrace for me is their absolute refusal to accept any suspensions handed down by the GAA in recent years - with the seemingly ever present threat of legal action if they don't get their way. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 8, 2019 13:24:08 GMT
When I saw the that hit by Mannion on the Louth player I thought fair play to the ref for making a big decision against a high profile player for an act of dangerous play - a frontal charge similar to the infamous Kevin Mc 'tackle' on Peter Crowley. Now you have this recurring farce where the Sunday Game make excuses for the sanctioned player, Dublin yet again act in disgrace refusing to accept the suspension, and then the GAA buckles yet again and refuse to back their official. Who'd be a referee today when their authority is undermined time and time again with situations like this. Do you not think there was enough doubt in the attempted shoulder to justify an appeal? Also, DCB "acting in disgrace" is a bit strong. was the red reduced to a yellow. If not, do you think it should have been at least a yellow. Maybe that body hadnt the power to reduce a red to a yellow www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/paul-mannion-has-red-card-rescinded-armaghs-brendan-donaghy-has-ban-upheld-by-chc-38191101.html |
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 8, 2019 16:53:01 GMT
Do you not think there was enough doubt in the attempted shoulder to justify an appeal? Also, DCB "acting in disgrace" is a bit strong. No, I don't think there is any way you can fairly shoulder an opponent who is directly in front of you. At best it was reckless. Dublin not the only county to do it I know, but the disgrace for me is their absolute refusal to accept any suspensions handed down by the GAA in recent years - with the seemingly ever present threat of legal action if they don't get their way. Dont think they appealed the Connolly judgement. The one where Spillane sentenced him to 3 months on TSG. |
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 8, 2019 16:54:06 GMT
Not sure. If a mistimed shoulder is a yellow then probably yes |
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 9, 2019 11:08:14 GMT
Ridiculous to claim that collision was a frontal charge, both players braced for a shoulder collision in a split second situation. In any case the main point was that it wasn't a head high challenge which was why the red card was given. Overall it was barely a yellow.
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Post by diego on Jun 9, 2019 12:23:05 GMT
Ridiculous to claim that collision was a frontal charge, both players braced for a shoulder collision in a split second situation. In any case the main point was that it wasn't a head high challenge which was why the red card was given. Overall it was barely a yellow. Unlike the carefully edited PR clip from the Hill 16 Army, you can see the incident properly at 4:47 in the highlights here... |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 9, 2019 12:35:54 GMT
having finally seen the incident in full, i would say that the correct card was yellow
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 9, 2019 13:06:31 GMT
having finally seen the incident in full, i would say that the correct card was yellow I concur. I don't see a shoulder into the head. |
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Post by john4 on Jun 9, 2019 13:26:08 GMT
Whenen I first saw this incident I didn't see a lot in it, a yellow card at most as twas just a clumsy attempted shoulder. The Louth player's body positioning only exaggerates the impact. He's almost in an upright seated position when he's hit, it would take very little to knock a guy back in this position and only a little bit more to make it look dangerous. Our friend, Tiernan McCann's actions last night though are a different ballgame.
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Post by taibhse on Jun 10, 2019 8:16:06 GMT
A few weeks into the Championship and the standout issue must be the huge impact Cards are having on games. It has to be high on the list of importance that a team has 15 players on the field from start to finish. We have done badly in this respect in our first outing and against better opposition, it would surely prove more costly.
We are at the stage where certain players on yellow are compromised and serious consideration has to be given to replacing them before they are excluded permanently from a game – without replacement.
In the modern game, it is very difficult to compete effectively against greater numbers.
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Post by OnTheForty on Jun 10, 2019 10:13:10 GMT
Yes, interesting about the cost of running county teams and dev centres. But I disagree that Kerry should piggy back on Tralee IT facilities. Would not work to have all the county teams and squads competing for pitches with all the college teams, especially in the early months of the year when floodlit pitches are in peak demand. Famously Dublin do not have a CoE; the Dublin senior footballers use Innisfail GAA club during winter and they have DCU in Summer. But that is just one squad, what do all the other Dublin football, hurling and camogie squads do? How the hell does it cost Roscommon €15k a week to run the senior football team? On a style note, Tomas needs to stop beginning sentences with "Look" and "Like". |
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 10, 2019 16:17:06 GMT
Yes, interesting about the cost of running county teams and dev centres. But I disagree that Kerry should piggy back on Tralee IT facilities. Would not work to have all the county teams and squads competing for pitches with all the college teams, especially in the early months of the year when floodlit pitches are in peak demand. Famously Dublin do not have a CoE; the Dublin senior footballers use Innisfail GAA club during winter and they have DCU in Summer. But that is just one squad, what do all the other Dublin football, hurling and camogie squads do? How the hell does it cost Roscommon €15k a week to run the senior football team? On a style note, Tomas needs to stop beginning sentences with "Look" and "Like". Under age squads use St. Clares in DCU also. Senior hurlers too. |
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Post by jackiel on Jun 10, 2019 16:23:52 GMT
Yes, interesting about the cost of running county teams and dev centres. But I disagree that Kerry should piggy back on Tralee IT facilities. Would not work to have all the county teams and squads competing for pitches with all the college teams, especially in the early months of the year when floodlit pitches are in peak demand. Famously Dublin do not have a CoE; the Dublin senior footballers use Innisfail GAA club during winter and they have DCU in Summer. But that is just one squad, what do all the other Dublin football, hurling and camogie squads do? How the hell does it cost Roscommon €15k a week to run the senior football team? On a style note, Tomas needs to stop beginning sentences with "Look" and "Like". Not sure how true it is but I was told Roscommon spend a lot of money ferrying players studying in the capital up and down to Dublin in the Rossie Bus for training etc. Tomas is not the only one, for some reason it has slipped into GAA vernacular. |
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Post by dc84 on Jun 10, 2019 16:27:37 GMT
Yes, interesting about the cost of running county teams and dev centres. But I disagree that Kerry should piggy back on Tralee IT facilities. Would not work to have all the county teams and squads competing for pitches with all the college teams, especially in the early months of the year when floodlit pitches are in peak demand. Famously Dublin do not have a CoE; the Dublin senior footballers use Innisfail GAA club during winter and they have DCU in Summer. But that is just one squad, what do all the other Dublin football, hurling and camogie squads do? How the hell does it cost Roscommon €15k a week to run the senior football team? On a style note, Tomas needs to stop beginning sentences with "Look" and "Like". Not sure how true it is but I was told Roscommon spend a lot of money ferrying players studying in the capital up and down to Dublin in the Rossie Bus for training etc. A lot of counties do via taxis etc tough on them you need collective training and can hardly expect lads to cover costs themselves. Counties with universities are blessed must save them a fortune! |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 10, 2019 17:16:39 GMT
Not sure how true it is but I was told Roscommon spend a lot of money ferrying players studying in the capital up and down to Dublin in the Rossie Bus for training etc. A lot of counties do via taxis etc tough on them you need collective training and can hardly expect lads to cover costs themselves. Counties with universities are blessed must save them a fortune! I’ve been sayin the above for yonks- we should, as a county be giving all support we can to the forming of a technical university in Munster which has been mooted with a Tralee campus. Obviously not just for football reasons but that would definitely be a positive externality |
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Post by john4 on Jun 10, 2019 18:06:04 GMT
Liam Kearns has resigned as Tipperary football team manager following their defeat to Down in the first round of the qualifiers. I know there are those on here with mixed views on Liam Kearns as a manager but I think he has done a fantastic job in his time with both Limerick and Tipperary, both strong hurling counties.
The fact that he's a Kerryman would probably work against him ever becoming the Cork football manager but imo he's exactly the type of guy they need.
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