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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 12, 2024 18:49:20 GMT
Ya fair comment hurlingman, I'm the first to admit, I'm a big ball man but hypothetically speaking, if for example Davy was unveiled as Kerrys new manager, how would that go down?
I know from podcasts some very high profile pundits didn't want him next or near their respective counties.. one in particular from Galway made no secret or apologies .. It was half funny and a bit embarrassing all in one ... had me in stitches but the point was still fairly nailed home
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 12, 2024 19:56:15 GMT
Ya fair comment hurlingman, I'm the first to admit, I'm a big ball man but hypothetically speaking, if for example Davy was unveiled as Kerrys new manager, how would that go down? I know from podcasts some very high profile pundits didn't want him next or near their respective counties.. one in particular from Galway made no secret or apologies .. It was half funny and a bit embarrassing all in one ... had me in stitches but the point was still fairly nailed home I think his name was mentioned once before he was Waterford manager about the Kerry job. People will say he helps the profile of the game etc but imo I don't think he even brings that anymore. I can't see what he's going to bring to Antrim that's any different than what Gleeson or anyone else for that matter has done. There's other high profile jobs available and the fact he's not in the running tells it's own story.
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Post by Premier on Aug 14, 2024 17:30:10 GMT
"While there’s more action, and it’s busier, I just think you can still live a bit of your life while you’re involved with a club team... That’s the simple fact of it really.” - David Clifford in favour of #GAA split season t.co/F5sBXXhY5jDavid Clifford one of the many players speaking out again in favour of the split season. Many journalists, both national and in Kerry decry its place but the fact of the matter is that is better for amateur players and that has to be at the forefront of all considerations
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Post by glengael on Aug 15, 2024 11:15:02 GMT
Davy is absolutely shameless. He had 2013 with Clare. 1 Munster in his first Waterford spell and 1 Leinster with Wexford. I can't understand why teams still shell out for him. Would Antrim not be better off employing a few more coaches or Games Development Officers than lining Davys pockets for him. Just from a quick look at the map its over twice the distance so I suppose at least twice the expenses. Even the year he lost out on the Galway gig he ended up coaching with the Cork Camogie team. He just reminds me of a Sam Allardyce, Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce from the soccer. That 2013 Clare team had so much potential to win more and had consistent underage success coming on behind them.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 16, 2024 22:49:47 GMT
I've always been a Davy fan myself and sometimes I don't understand the vitriol towards the man. Got Waterford to the AI in 2008, yes it was probably a year or two past that great team's prime and yes they got gobbled up by the Cats but Justin didn't get them there. Clare hadn't gotten near an AI since Daly lead them to the decider in 2002, won an epic after extra time in a replay. Yes they didn't do anything in the Championship under him for the next 2-3 years but they still won the League in 2016. His successor did F all and Brian Lohan hasn't got a Munster title yet out of them either. And remember and it also took Lohan a good few season to land a great All Ireland this year. As for Wexford, lads come on who else has won anything or been near to winning anything for the Yellowbellies since 2004? He won a Leinster with them, got them to be a serious challenge and in 2019 they were so close to getting to an All Ireland. They had Tipp on the ropes a couple of times in that semi final and considering how Tipp swatted Kilkenny aside, I'd say Wexford had a great chance of an All Ireland of things went their way that year. The Waterford return was indifferent but that Dessie team was in decline, they had their chance in 2016/17, even the Covid Dec final before he took over. Remember he did get Waterford their first proper win in Munster in ages this years, So he's now going to Antrim, so what good for him and for Antrim. Don't tell me they won't have the hearts thumping when an All Ireland winning player/manager is walking through the door as their main man. I just think the fact Davy is the human equivalent of marmite clouds a lot of people's judgements of his achievements/qualities/talents.
Edit by Control8 to remove incredibly poor taste in words...yellow card for thehermit.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 16, 2024 23:44:36 GMT
I've always been a Davy fan myself and sometimes I don't understand the vitriol towards the man. Got Waterford to the AI in 2008, yes it was probably a year or two past that great team's prime and yes they got gobbled up by the Cats but Justin didn't get them there. Clare hadn't gotten near an AI since Daly lead them to the decider in 2002, won an epic after extra time in a replay. Yes they didn't do anything in the Championship under him for the next 2-3 years but they still won the League in 2016. His successor did F all and Brian Lohan hasn't got a Munster title yet out of them either. And remember and it also took Lohan a good few season to land a great All Ireland this year. As for Wexford, lads come on who else has won anything or been near to winning anything for the Yellowbellies since 2004? He won a Leinster with them, got them to be a serious challenge and in 2019 they were so close to getting to an All Ireland. They had Tipp on the ropes a couple of times in that semi final and considering how Tipp swatted Kilkenny aside, I'd say Wexford had a great chance of an All Ireland of things went their way that year. The Waterford return was indifferent but that Dessie team was in decline, they had their chance in 2016/17, even the Covid Dec final before he took over. Remember he did get Waterford their first proper win in Munster in ages this years, So he's now going to Antrim, so what good for him and for Antrim. Don't tell me they won't have the hearts thumping when an All Ireland winning player/manager is walking through the door as their main man. I just think the fact Davy is the human equivalent of marmite clouds a lot of people's judgements of his achievements/qualities/talents. Edit by Control8 to remove incredibly poor taste in words...yellow card for thehermit. The CCCC for the hermit, you're letting the HS brothers down.... ah we'll get Frank Murphy to defend you.. better than any solicitor...
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Post by thehermit on Aug 17, 2024 0:34:54 GMT
Make it a red then if this qualifies:
I always thought the Police's best song was Roxanne, so did a fella called Jim.
One of my favourite Irish sporting moments was Dunphy going on about Mark Little, an All Ireland winning manager was at the All Stars in 2019 but not with his missus.
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Post by veteran on Aug 19, 2024 15:08:44 GMT
I note the death of Kevin Kehilly, former Newcestown and Cork footballer. He was a player of the first rank and was possibly the best Cork defender I have seen. Unfortunate to play for Cork when Kerry were dominating in the seventies and eighties. Started out as a fine wing back where he often clashed with Dr. Brendan Lynch and later moved to full back where his opponent would have been Eoin Liston. Two difficult assignments but he always held up his quin. Unlucky to miss out on a medal in 1973 when he took time off to attend to his studies. I am sure he has a couple of All-Stars and a good few railway cup medals when that Kerry team backboned Munster.
Rest in peace. Kevin.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 19, 2024 16:42:16 GMT
I note the death of Kevin Kehilly, former Newcestown and Cork footballer. He was a player of the first rank and was possibly the best Cork defender I have seen. Unfortunate to play for Cork when Kerry were dominating in the seventies and eighties. Started out as a fine wing back where he often clashed with Dr. Brendan Lynch and later moved to full back where his opponent would have been Eoin Liston. Two difficult assignments but he always held up his quin. Unlucky to miss out on a medal in 1973 when he took time off to attend to his studies. I am sure he has a couple of All-Stars and a good few railway cup medals when that Kerry team backboned Munster. Rest in peace. Kevin. Apparently he also trained the Cork hurling team during the 70s whilr he was playing.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 19, 2024 16:45:49 GMT
Just seen Micky Harte has been appointed as joint manager of Offaly! One of the most random appointments I think I've ever seen.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 19, 2024 18:34:50 GMT
Just seen Micky Harte has been appointed as joint manager of Offaly! One of the most random appointments I think I've ever seen. Christ
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 19, 2024 23:31:22 GMT
Just seen Micky Harte has been appointed as joint manager of Offaly! One of the most random appointments I think I've ever seen. Christ It is an each way bet. Mickey has a wealth of experience but Offaly aren’t giving him a free hand for understandable reasons. I would think that Declan Kelly will have final say in all matters. It is another example of Michael Duignan’s shrewd leadership and ambition for the county.
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Post by glengael on Aug 20, 2024 9:23:38 GMT
I note the death of Kevin Kehilly, former Newcestown and Cork footballer. He was a player of the first rank and was possibly the best Cork defender I have seen. Unfortunate to play for Cork when Kerry were dominating in the seventies and eighties. Started out as a fine wing back where he often clashed with Dr. Brendan Lynch and later moved to full back where his opponent would have been Eoin Liston. Two difficult assignments but he always held up his quin. Unlucky to miss out on a medal in 1973 when he took time off to attend to his studies. I am sure he has a couple of All-Stars and a good few railway cup medals when that Kerry team backboned Munster. Rest in peace. Kevin. Apparently he also trained the Cork hurling team during the 70s whilr he was playing. He seems to have had an influence as a coach with CIT as it was then called, as well as his inter-county career which spanned a good term. Newcestown produced Tim Crowley the hurler around the same era.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 20, 2024 21:11:32 GMT
I just noticed that Clubber have processed a subscription on my credit card despite me not wanting to renew because the cost went up by 50%.
I am guessing that there is some spurious line in last year's subscription saying you have to opt out of auto renewal. I have a big issue with this sort of practice...especially seeing as I didn't receive a reminder email saying it would auto renew.
Check your credit cards folks.
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Post by givehimaball on Aug 21, 2024 7:51:09 GMT
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Post by Ballydonoghoor on Aug 21, 2024 10:51:54 GMT
All the nonsense reminds of the lunatic running the asylum as 'tis folly to be wise when ignorance is bliss, if the psycho tells you you're sane then you do need to see a doctor!
The again he who robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul, and robbers there are! Now don't get me started about rendering to Cesar and Himself!
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 21, 2024 18:15:29 GMT
I just noticed that Clubber have processed a subscription on my credit card despite me not wanting to renew because the cost went up by 50%. I am guessing that there is some spurious line in last year's subscription saying you have to opt out of auto renewal. I have a big issue with this sort of practice...especially seeing as I didn't receive a reminder email saying it would auto renew. Check your credit cards folks. I seen a post by another business saying why we should all be supporting Clubber etc Yet if Clubber are pulling stunts like this is it any wonder people are using other ways to watch games. 50% increase in price and also having ads will eventually put more and more people off.
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Post by jerryewe on Aug 21, 2024 18:55:37 GMT
Interesting read in that Examiner article about demographics and how the GAA will have to react. You can see it happening in Kerry already with how strong all the clubs around Killarney are since that’s where the population growth is happening.
The line about where new clubs might need to be formed made me think about an interview with a Chairman or secretary of a club from a large town. There was only 1 club in the town and he said something along the lines of it was the same families who kept the club going and they wouldn’t be getting that many new members. This was 15-20 years ago and prior to the club playing an all Ireland semi final. It struck me back then that this was an awful attitude to have and I wondered how many people were actually turned off by this attitude in that particular town. The club in question, and indeed the county it’s located in, have not been successful recently even though they may have benefitted from a growing population in this period of time.
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Post by glengael on Aug 22, 2024 9:53:04 GMT
Interesting read in that Examiner article about demographics and how the GAA will have to react. You can see it happening in Kerry already with how strong all the clubs around Killarney are since that’s where the population growth is happening. The line about where new clubs might need to be formed made me think about an interview with a Chairman or secretary of a club from a large town. There was only 1 club in the town and he said something along the lines of it was the same families who kept the club going and they wouldn’t be getting that many new members. This was 15-20 years ago and prior to the club playing an all Ireland semi final. It struck me back then that this was an awful attitude to have and I wondered how many people were actually turned off by this attitude in that particular town. The club in question, and indeed the county it’s located in, have not been successful recently even though they may have benefitted from a growing population in this period of time. By the same token Firies, Listry and Miltown should be seeing increasing numbers available, given that they are home to many people 'priced out' of Killarney over the past decade or more. Many from within the county have moved to Mid- Kerry general area to be nearer to work. I hear anecdotally, although you may know the situation better, of a lot of South Kerry people living in Miltown. That could be just pitchside talk though. The idea of one Club in some large towns seems crazy but I can understand the mentality that surrounds it. I don't agree with that mentality but I can appreciate the conditions that allow it to exist.
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Post by kingdomofciar on Aug 22, 2024 12:40:23 GMT
The author is obviously correct that Gaa have a demographic problem and it will only get worse, and also correct in trying to find some solutions from within the existing Gaa structures and rules. I thing he should be lauded for his efforts. But I think the problem is a bigger one than just the Gaa. For a number of decades, the powers that be, Irish government and EEC/EU, their policy weather intentional or not has had the effect of moving people from the countryside, villages and small towns to bigger towns and cities. The results are there to see for anyone that cares to look in Kerry and I'm sure in the rest or Ireland. Can this be reversed, I hope so. I think the Gaa can lead on this issue and hopefully be joined by other organisations that have also been affected, and in doing so restore the vitality to the countryside and villages of Kerry. I think Kerry football has been affected by these changes, I think the different approaches to coaching and in how to play football that was so diverse in these thriving clubs has been lost somewhat. I think a lot of these clubs are doing great work to keep a team on the field of play. I can't help but think, that if our rural towns and villages were allowed to thrive again, a solution to the state of intercounty football would have emerged, these peoples imagination solved much harder conundrums over the decades and centuries.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 22, 2024 18:12:01 GMT
Interesting read in that Examiner article about demographics and how the GAA will have to react. You can see it happening in Kerry already with how strong all the clubs around Killarney are since that’s where the population growth is happening. The line about where new clubs might need to be formed made me think about an interview with a Chairman or secretary of a club from a large town. There was only 1 club in the town and he said something along the lines of it was the same families who kept the club going and they wouldn’t be getting that many new members. This was 15-20 years ago and prior to the club playing an all Ireland semi final. It struck me back then that this was an awful attitude to have and I wondered how many people were actually turned off by this attitude in that particular town. The club in question, and indeed the county it’s located in, have not been successful recently even though they may have benefitted from a growing population in this period of time. I'm guessing you're talking about Portlaoise here. I've always found it mad how a town of it's size can only have one club. I do recall that another club was to setup there but I'm guessing that went nowhere. It has to be holding Laois back as there must be countless very good players who just pack it in. Tralee and Killarney are actually quite unique in GAA terms as for their size there's multiple clubs in both towns.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 22, 2024 20:06:44 GMT
Another odd intercounty appointment this evening. Shane Curran taking over in Carlow.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 22, 2024 22:24:31 GMT
Another odd intercounty appointment this evening. Shane Curran taking over in Carlow. He'll bring some passion to them anyway!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 23, 2024 8:02:38 GMT
Interesting read in that Examiner article about demographics and how the GAA will have to react. You can see it happening in Kerry already with how strong all the clubs around Killarney are since that’s where the population growth is happening. The line about where new clubs might need to be formed made me think about an interview with a Chairman or secretary of a club from a large town. There was only 1 club in the town and he said something along the lines of it was the same families who kept the club going and they wouldn’t be getting that many new members. This was 15-20 years ago and prior to the club playing an all Ireland semi final. It struck me back then that this was an awful attitude to have and I wondered how many people were actually turned off by this attitude in that particular town. The club in question, and indeed the county it’s located in, have not been successful recently even though they may have benefitted from a growing population in this period of time. I'm guessing you're talking about Portlaoise here. I've always found it mad how a town of it's size can only have one club. I do recall that another club was to setup there but I'm guessing that went nowhere. It has to be holding Laois back as there must be countless very good players who just pack it in. Tralee and Killarney are actually quite unique in GAA terms as for their size there's multiple clubs in both towns. Not only is Ballincollig a good bit more populous than Killarney (in the middle of Killarney and Tralee/Portlaoise in terms of population), not only a one club town, they have the temerity to self-refer to the GAA club as "the village"!!
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Post by thehermit on Aug 23, 2024 9:22:04 GMT
Out of interest what would have been the latest GAA club proper (rather than some amalgamation etc) to have been started in Kerry?
I'd assume it would be Tralee Parnells?
Didn't Na Gael only start in the late 1970s too because of the expansion of people moving into Tralee in the Oakpark area?
I guess that is what the future might hold, some of the more rural clubs may (alas) die away and you'll see new entities being formed within the commuter zone of the bigger towns.
The Blue Elephant in the room on a national scale for the Association is of course Dublin, its getting bigger and bigger population wise and we've had Governments for the last 40 years being content to see a population/economic opportunity imbalance on the East coast at the expense of everywhere else (speaking as an embittered economic exile ;D ). How long before Dublin must be split into different inter-county entities and, conversely, smaller counties being amalgamated to compete at inter-county level.
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Post by southward on Aug 23, 2024 16:52:44 GMT
The Blue Elephant in the room on a national scale for the Association is of course Dublin, its getting bigger and bigger population wise and we've had Governments for the last 40 years being content to see a population/economic opportunity imbalance on the East coast at the expense of everywhere else (speaking as an embittered economic exile ;D ). How long before Dublin must be split into different inter-county entities and, conversely, smaller counties being amalgamated to compete at inter-county level. A sense of identity is the cornerstone of our games at every level. Nobody wants to see enforced splitting or amalgamations, there are no winners in that. But yeah, unless there's a reversing of the economic and demographic shift to Dublin, the current structure is going to be untenable in the long run.
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 23, 2024 17:16:07 GMT
Unfortunately amalgamations are the only viable option for some rural club survival
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Post by veteran on Aug 24, 2024 9:00:25 GMT
Changing demographics is very likely to be a big problem for the GAA , perhaps necessitating amalgamation of clubs and realignment of counties. On the other hand , tribalism is one of the reasons the organisation has flourished. The need to upscuttle the neighbour. Will the redrawing of boundaries dilute that tribalism and therefore the attractiveness of our games . That should be a consideration in future planning.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 24, 2024 9:54:05 GMT
Amalgamations don't usually work. We will see that very clearly in the next few weeks. Three of the 4 semi-finalists of the 2021 county championship are this year playing with St Brendan's. I will be astonished if they win it.
Edit. Of course Na Gael are not with Brendan’s but they still have the players to win it.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 24, 2024 11:18:52 GMT
Amalgamations don't usually work. We will see that very clearly in the next few weeks. Three of the 4 semi-finalists of the 2021 county championship are this year playing with St Brendan's. I will be astonished if they win it. Edit. Of course Na Gael are not with Brendan’s but they still have the players to win it. Well if there's any county where amalgamations do work it's in Kerry.
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