All-Ireland Semi Final, Kerry v Mayo 2017

[Annascaultilidie]

My understanding is that, behind Dublin and Mayo, Kerry have the largest uptake in season tickets.

I think it is a myth that we have poor support.

Mayo are the best in my mind however.

[Attacking Wing Back]

I know Mayo were fantastic yesterday but, Roscommon seemed overawed altogether by the occasion. I know we did something similar in 09 when the Dubs were a shambles when we played them in the quarter final. But, in the next game we struggled against Meath and were workmanlike in the final against Cork. It will be very hard for Mayo to reach that pitch again.

Obviously the Mayo half back line and the runners from deep are their big strong point. Our half forward and tracking runners from deep are probably 2 of our biggest problems. Allied to that our full backline doesn't look the best either. Mark Griffin found Andy Moran way too hot to handle in Tralee as well in the league.

I think we will probably see Killian come in for Fionn and Paul will go back into the corner but, track whoever Mayo decide to bring back as a sweeper. He will probably hover around our own 45 and be there to track runners etc.

Donaghy has done well against Mayo in the past but, I think under Rochford they are probably better equipped to deal with him.

I would be worried about our half forward line. I don't think Donnachada is anywhere near the level that he was. He was never a speed merchant but, I think he has got slower. Mikey Geaney has been a bit inconsistent as well. Would the half forward line the last day have the speed to keep up with the Mayo half backs attacking. Sure they have the work rate but, not the out and out speed. Maybe they will sit deep to counter this? This means you are isolating the full forward line.

You could start Darren and SO'B in the half forward line. But, both are lazy tacklers and liable to give away frees or worse when being ran at by Mayo.

Should be a great few weeks leadup.

[gamechanger10]

Nacrocaig,
I'm not so sure I'd have Barry as a sweeper, as far as I am aware he is on two black cards and a third strike and he's out. Should we make it past Mayo we will definitely need him against the Dubs.

[keane]

Aug 8, 2017 13:59:11 GMT gamechanger10 said:

Nacrocaig,
I'm not so sure I'd have Barry as a sweeper, as far as I am aware he is on two black cards and a third strike and he's out. Should we make it past Mayo we will definitely need him against the Dubs.

Luckily the match ban for the three cards doesn't apply to the final, so he would miss the first league game next year whatever happens.

[baurtregaum]

Aug 8, 2017 13:46:06 GMT Attacking Wing Back said:

I know Mayo were fantastic yesterday but, Roscommon seemed overawed altogether by the occasion. I know we did something similar in 09 when the Dubs were a shambles when we played them in the quarter final. But, in the next game we struggled against Meath and were workmanlike in the final against Cork. It will be very hard for Mayo to reach that pitch again.

Obviously the Mayo half back line and the runners from deep are their big strong point. Our half forward and tracking runners from deep are probably 2 of our biggest problems. Allied to that our full backline doesn't look the best either. Mark Griffin found Andy Moran way too hot to handle in Tralee as well in the league.

I think we will probably see Killian come in for Fionn and Paul will go back into the corner but, track whoever Mayo decide to bring back as a sweeper. He will probably hover around our own 45 and be there to track runners etc.

Donaghy has done well against Mayo in the past but, I think under Rochford they are probably better equipped to deal with him.

I would be worried about our half forward line. I don't think Donnachada is anywhere near the level that he was. He was never a speed merchant but, I think he has got slower. Mikey Geaney has been a bit inconsistent as well. Would the half forward line the last day have the speed to keep up with the Mayo half backs attacking. Sure they have the work rate but, not the out and out speed. Maybe they will sit deep to counter this? This means you are isolating the full forward line.

You could start Darren and SO'B in the half forward line. But, both are lazy tacklers and liable to give away frees or worse when being ran at by Mayo.

Should be a great few weeks leadup.

Regarding Andy Moran and Mark Griffin, Griffin had very little protection on the night and Moran had acres of space to run into. It was a backs nightmare and the Kerry management left it like that for the whole game as I remember it.
I would imagine that it will be a lot tighter for Moran in 2 weeks time if Mayo start him.

I would be confident that our defence will tighten up considerably compared to the Galway game. As Joe Keohane said to Paidi "The bigger the prize, the closer your man"

[Attacking Wing Back]

Aug 8, 2017 14:50:55 GMT baurtregaum said:

Regarding Andy Moran and Mark Griffin, Griffin had very little protection on the night and Moran had acres of space to run into. It was a backs nightmare and the Kerry management left it like that for the whole game as I remember it.
I would imagine that it will be a lot tighter for Moran in 2 weeks time if Mayo start him.

I would be confident that our defence will tighten up considerably compared to the Galway game. As Joe Keohane said to Paidi "The bigger the prize, the closer your man"

That's fair enough but, we don't have a history of dealing well with teams that run at us. The way to cut off the space is to drop a men back. But, if we do are only inviting Mayo onto us.

Is Barry definitely a certainty to start?

[Jigz84]

Aug 8, 2017 15:03:04 GMT Attacking Wing Back said:

Aug 8, 2017 14:50:55 GMT baurtregaum said:

Regarding Andy Moran and Mark Griffin, Griffin had very little protection on the night and Moran had acres of space to run into. It was a backs nightmare and the Kerry management left it like that for the whole game as I remember it.
I would imagine that it will be a lot tighter for Moran in 2 weeks time if Mayo start him.

I would be confident that our defence will tighten up considerably compared to the Galway game. As Joe Keohane said to Paidi "The bigger the prize, the closer your man"

That's fair enough but, we don't have a history of dealing well with teams that run at us. The way to cut off the space is to drop a men back. But, if we do are only inviting Mayo onto us.

Is Barry definitely a certainty to start?

I'd prefer him to be kept back til the last 20 minutes.

[onlykerry]

Bookies have Mayo as the outsider of the four remaining sides to lift the Sam Maguire this year at 13/2. They clearly expect a Dublin Kerry decider with Dublin firm favourites to complete the three in a row.

[keane]

I'd expect Maher for this one actually.

[kerrygold]

Aug 8, 2017 15:16:59 GMT keane said:

I'd expect Maher for this one actually.

I was thinking the same re Maher. The footballing Anthony Maher to start for me also. There is no great pace in the Mayo midfield, Either of the O'Sheas and Tom Parsons.

[veteran]

Of course something unprecedented happened in Limerick in 2014- KD got a couple of frees . This almost precipitated an unilateral Declaration of Independence by Mayo. To avoid public disorder on the streets I believe the gardai have issued instructions that under no circumstances is Kieran to be awarded a single free the next day..

I wonder will the big boy from Mayo be allowed travel?

I presume Mayo would be a tad upset if Cormac O'Reilly is reappointed!

[dingledude]

It would be great if O'Reilly got this fixture. He did a fine job in the Gaelic grounds in 2014. We may have been lucky with an odd decision or two, but those decisions normally go against us. Mayo might not like it, the fat boy who ran on that day did not like it, but "thems the rules".

[keane]

The Reilly job on Mayo in 2014 is a tale that grows as the years go by. Best team won that day, in fairness the best team nearly always wins.

[givehimaball]

Stats from the Mayo Roscommon replay

Massive one is the one from Dont Fouls's numbers that Mayo scored 3-4 off of Roscommon's kickouts - that's not shooting yourself in the foot, it's shooting yourself in the head by Roscommon.

Also while Mayo's shooting was somewhat better than in most of their games this summer only converting 18 scores from 37 chances (48%) says to me that there are still massive issues as regards the Mayo forwards. When you consider how awful the defensive effort was from Roscommon, returns of that sort will surely have Rochford concerned.

Comparing yesterday's game to the drawn, Roscommon's attack performed pretty very similarly to how they did in the drawn game in terms of numbers of attacks, percentage converted and shots from play scored. The big difference was Mayo's attack

In the drawn game Mayo had 29 shots, in the replay they had 42 according to Dont Foul.
According to the Sure figures Mayo had 25 chances from play in the first game and 37 chances from play in the replay.
According to the Sure figures Mayo converted 2 deadballs in the first game and converted 5 in the replay.
Sure don't have figures for the shots attempted from deadballs, but overall things seem to match up between the two sources.

Overall the fact that Mayo had something of the order of 13/14 more scoring attempts in the replay compared to the drawn game tells a world about what drove this win. The fact that 4 of the attempts at goals went converted were what really drove the winning margin, especially the fact that 3 of the goals came with 5 minutes.

[buck02]

Aug 8, 2017 16:58:39 GMT dingledude said:

It would be great if O'Reilly got this fixture. He did a fine job in the Gaelic grounds in 2014. We may have been lucky with an odd decision or two, but those decisions normally go against us. Mayo might not like it, the fat boy who ran on that day did not like it, but "thems the rules".

Aidan O Shea got two frees yesterday early on, both popped over by O Connor IIRC, that were as "soft" as the frees Donaghy got in 2014.

If Andy Moran or Paul Geaney were subject to the attention he got for the frees, of course I wouldnt have deemed them soft frees.

I wouldnt complain if he got frees like that in our semi final, as long as Donaghy gets them at the other end.

[southward]

Mayo got every bit as much as, if not more than, we did from Reilly in '14. Not least the phantom free that nearly won it at the end of normal time. And not to mention Jameso and Buckley taken out of the game by O'Shea and Boyle without a whistle to be heard.

The vilification campaign against Reilly in the aftermath, led by McStay, was a disgrace.

[Mickmack]

I could understand why Mayo were so annoyed with Reilly that day and talking about him reffing this game would be as inflammatory at McQuillan reffing a final between Dublin and Kerry.

Lets talk about the upcoming match.

[mayo4sam]

Aug 8, 2017 17:50:21 GMT southward said:

Mayo got every bit as much as, if not more than, we did from Reilly in '14. Not least the phantom free that nearly won it at the end of normal time. And not to mention Jameso and Buckley taken out of the game by O'Shea and Boyle without a whistle to be heard.

The vilification campaign against Reilly in the aftermath, led by McStay, was a disgrace.

Southward, I dont know what game you were watching in Limerick that day. Enright should have been sent off, he was already on a yellow and then dragged cillian down in the box in the first half, the ref gave a penalty, but no card. Are you telling me Kerry would have held Mayo with 14 men that day.

Mc Stay was correct to call out those decisions, and he was proved right, as he dropped from the ref panel for the next season.

[Mickmack]

mayo4sam ....Forget the 2014 game.

Being as objective as you can be in the circumstances, how do you see this one playing out?

Will Vaughan pick up Donaghy... who will Keegan mark or will he be given a roaming role.

[Deleted]

Eamon tends to be fairly consistent in his team selections once all are available. There are three calls to be made in my view.

1. Does killian come in likely instead of fionn but potentially instead of Paul Murphy who would move into the forwards
2. Maher or Barry?
3. Will Michael geaney hold his place

[Mickmack]

the league game in 2017

[mayo4sam]

mickmack, your right water under the bridge about 2014 game.

Im sure Rochford has a plan for donaghy, but maybe he wont start donaghy the next day.

Vaughan could do a job if required. The positive from yesterdays game was the running game and leeroy not playing, there will be savage competition now for places and that is only a good thing for mayo.

[kerrygold]

Aug 8, 2017 18:44:03 GMT Mickmack said:

I could understand why Mayo were so annoyed with Reilly that day and talking about him reffing this game would be as inflammatory at McQuillan reffing a final between Dublin and Kerry.

Lets talk about the upcoming match.

I don't think Croker would have the audacity to appoint McQuillan for a Kerry Dublin final.

[Attacking Wing Back]

Aug 8, 2017 20:55:41 GMT mayo4sam said:

mickmack, your right water under the bridge about 2014 game.

Im sure Rochford has a plan for donaghy, but maybe he wont start donaghy the next day.

Vaughan could do a job if required. The positive from yesterdays game was the running game and leeroy not playing, there will be savage competition now for places and that is only a good thing for mayo.

Who loses out for Keegan the next day?

[fitz]

Aug 8, 2017 10:57:32 GMT oldschool said:

Just 3 points I think that could have a bearing on game against Mayo
1) Keep K. Donaghy in or around the square.
2) Start Stephen O'Brien
3) Push up on Mayo kick-outs

Thoughts ??

Stevie comes from the bench, that's where his gold is mined. Not a proven consistent 70 min player, but when the pawns have been scattered some, his plays start to count.

1) yep 3) Yep make their back lines earn ball.

[greengold35]

Aug 8, 2017 21:09:38 GMT kerrygold said:

Aug 8, 2017 18:44:03 GMT Mickmack said:

I could understand why Mayo were so annoyed with Reilly that day and talking about him reffing this game would be as inflammatory at McQuillan reffing a final between Dublin and Kerry.

Lets talk about the upcoming match.

I don't think Croker would have the audacity to appoint McQuillan for a Kerry Dublin final.

Whatever about McQuillan or Reilly, David Gough must be feeling left out at the moment; Gough has not been selected to officiate for Kerry or Dublin since last year's semi - including league & championship Dublin have played 14 matches to date & Kerry 11 - looks like a demotion to me. Ref appointment for semi will be interesting - perhaps Deegan/ Brannigan or Nolan?

[jackiel]

God I sincerely hope it's not Nolan,he's woeful.

[Deleted]

Aug 8, 2017 21:38:22 GMT greengold35 said:

Aug 8, 2017 21:09:38 GMT kerrygold said:

I don't think Croker would have the audacity to appoint McQuillan for a Kerry Dublin final.

Whatever about McQuillan or Reilly, David Gough must be feeling left out at the moment; Gough has not been selected to officiate for Kerry or Dublin since last year's semi - including league & championship Dublin have played 14 matches to date & Kerry 11 - looks like a demotion to me. Ref appointment for semi will be interesting - perhaps Deegan/ Brannigan or Nolan?

I think gough is a good referee for the most part and would have no issue with him being the ref for our next game but he should not be allowed to referee Dublin games.

[Mickmack]

I think David Gough is a great ref but he shouldnt be given Dublin games as he clearly is friends with the likes of Kevin McMenamin ...fellow club man etc

[Hicser]

Aug 8, 2017 21:16:47 GMT Attacking Wing Back said:

Aug 8, 2017 20:55:41 GMT mayo4sam said:

mickmack, your right water under the bridge about 2014 game.

Im sure Rochford has a plan for donaghy, but maybe he wont start donaghy the next day.

Vaughan could do a job if required. The positive from yesterdays game was the running game and leeroy not playing, there will be savage competition now for places and that is only a good thing for mayo.

Who loses out for Keegan the next day?

Hard to know but I don't think Keegan can be left out, 

Of the 4 remaining teams only Mayo have been tested and are now the stronger for it. This is a real concern for Kerry, it's not all about tactics, sweepers, etc.., having the mental fortitude and being ready for the battle is a must. We had that in 2014 in Limerick and were lucky to be there.

This Kerry team need to look at the video of 2014 in Limerick because that's what's coming. I disagree 2014 is water under the bridge. It might be for Kerry but not for Mayo, they know they should have won that semi final in Croker, a missed opportunity, 

revenge can be sweet,