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Post by kerrygold on Jul 31, 2017 7:00:13 GMT
So we're at the business end. Evenings closing in and the Puck goat stand is up in Killorglin. Time to focus on the big prize.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2017 7:38:39 GMT
Is this practice of players not playing for clubs or suspending county championship games actually working. Many Kerry players looked off the pace yesterday. Endless training is not the same as playing....
Just throwing it out there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:28:01 GMT
Is this practice of players not playing for clubs or suspending county championship games actually working. Many Kerry players looked off the pace yesterday. Endless training is not the same as playing.... Just throwing it out there. Yea, it seems a bit crazy alright. One competitive game in seven weeks going into a semi-final is doing us no favours. Surely letting them go back to their clubs would help with sharpness. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:52:48 GMT
Did no county players play with their club at all after the Munster final?
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Post by kerryfanatic619 on Jul 31, 2017 10:08:54 GMT
Did no county players play with their club at all after the Munster final? Only those who's teams played in third round of county championship. No county players have played league since then, only those who are training but not on match day squads! |
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Post by fivenarow on Jul 31, 2017 10:50:21 GMT
Whether it's mayo or Roscommon the one thing that was highlighting again yesterday is that Cillian O Connor is not a champagne forward by any stretch. Taking the free from outside the 45 out of the equation he must have missed another 3 chances to win it for mayo in the last 5 minutes. If he got enough frees he'd use up the injury time on his own, my god he's so slow & deliberate the kettle would boil before he shoots & misses. He might be ok in the first 60 mins but don't ask him to do anything in a rush or under pressure in the last 10 or injury time. There's no way dean rock or paul Geaney would miss those scores at vital times. I hope the rossies come through at this stage.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 31, 2017 12:33:26 GMT
Is this practice of players not playing for clubs or suspending county championship games actually working. Many Kerry players looked off the pace yesterday. Endless training is not the same as playing.... Just throwing it out there. 3 of our starting forwards played county championship the week after the Munster Final. 2 of them had their worst games this year for Kerry yesterday. Just throwing it out there! |
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Post by yellowbelly on Jul 31, 2017 12:45:20 GMT
And the same three also had their worst games of the year for their clubs as they were knocked out of the County Championship.
Just throwing it out there!
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Post by kot on Jul 31, 2017 13:10:08 GMT
Might take a stab at the team I would go for:
Kelly
Young Griffin Enright
Crowley Morley Murphy (Debating whether crowley or morley could lose out here for O'Beaglaoich)
Moran Barry (maybe Maher if its Mayo and their size in the middle?)
McCarthy Buckley Geaney
O'Donoghue Star Geaney
Don't think Donnacha has been himself so misses out, could be a great impact player in games to come. Think Fionn will miss out
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Post by keane on Jul 31, 2017 13:38:54 GMT
Donnchadh was much improved compared to the previous two games yesterday in fairness.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 31, 2017 13:56:05 GMT
I thought Donnacha did well yesterday- he always provides an outlet, is able to spray a pass and can chip in with a point. I definitely wouldnt drop him
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Post by seamus on Jul 31, 2017 14:37:15 GMT
Is this practice of players not playing for clubs or suspending county championship games actually working. Many Kerry players looked off the pace yesterday. Endless training is not the same as playing.... Just throwing it out there. 3 of our starting forwards played county championship the week after the Munster Final. 2 of them had their worst games this year for Kerry yesterday. Just throwing it out there! An A v B game inside in Kerry training is light years ahead of a county league game. Especially with half the teams in Boston.... Or at least they used to be ahead when we could watch them. Difficult balance between form in training and proven big game temperment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 15:02:50 GMT
Donnacha was much better than Mikey Geaney yesterday so if anyone will lose out it will be him. Fionn was under pressure for sure. Did well to stop the goal but was off the pace a bit. Enright got a roasting in the first half as well. I think our biggest problem is picking up the runners. When teams run at us it opens up down the middle and if we cant correct that then we won't have to worry about Dublin cause we won't make it that far.
When Galway ran at us yesterday and came at us in numbers we were all over the place. It's been going on for years now. Moran is a fine player but has a lack of pace and can't get back when his marker is running towards our goal. MaGuire caused him problems against Cork. Donnacha is a fine player but no pace and has the same problem when his marker attacks. Some of our fellas are not the fastest and it will come back to bite us unless we can correct it.
Another thing I noticed yesterday was Donaghy back in our half back line. No point in having him back there. He had a great first half and was causing havoc and the next thing I see him away out the field. Keep him inside where he's most effective. I can guarantee you he has the beating of the Mayo or Roscommon full back and will do serious damage if we can feed him good ball and he stays in by the goal. That should be addressed
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2017 15:20:05 GMT
3 of our starting forwards played county championship the week after the Munster Final. 2 of them had their worst games this year for Kerry yesterday. Just throwing it out there! An A v B game inside in Kerry training is light years ahead of a county league game. Especially with half the teams in Boston.... Or at least they used to be ahead when we could watch them. Difficult balance between form in training and proven big game temperment. Maybe too much store is placed on lads "flying" inside in Killarney. Doing it on the big occasion is the test Since 2014...what have Kerry done in the championship in Croke Park. I am talking about v Dublin. We didn't meet Mayo. In 2015 a complete lights out from the 10th minute to the point that Donaghy came on. In 2016... One purple patch before half time papered over the cracks. Kerry are clearly in the top 3 but there is nothing to go on to judge where they are really. And please don't talk to me about the league final against a dublin team not clued in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:56:15 GMT
I think yesterday too there was away too much passing and slow buildup coming up the field. Leave it in fast to Geaney or Donaghy and let them do the work. This slow buildup by the time Donaghy and Geaney make a run the back has time to recover. I was in the stand watching the Kerry inside line moving around and no ball going in.
When we did let it go in quick we got scores. Moran kicked a beautiful long range point. Geaney kicked another beauty. Buckley was unlucky with another. All the Kerry forwards and the forward subs and Midfielders are capable of kicking long range points but they don't do it. Two things they could work on in Training the quick ball in and long range kicking.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2017 8:13:14 GMT
The long range point kicking in the two games on Saturday was brilliant. Way better than on Sunday
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 1, 2017 10:02:04 GMT
What are the thoughts on whether all the games will be beneficial or eventually too much for Mayo - will their legs eventually give or will it continue to bring them on.
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Post by keane on Aug 1, 2017 10:09:45 GMT
If they were going to be beneficial you would think they would have started to improve at some stage. People are trying to relate Mayo this year to Mayo last year but in reality they had a good performance against a decent Kildare outfit in the Qualifiers and a creditable win over Tyrone in the QF in the bag at this stage.
They are on the slide, it isn't happening slowly and in my humble opinion it's not going to reverse.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2017 10:56:08 GMT
Mayo in 2018 appeared to have gone back alright. Patrick Durcan and Diarmaid O'Connor should be better this year than they are. Donal Vaughan has gone way back. They are depending on the same few. Tom Parsons and Cafferky are not good enough at this level.
Maybe they are doing enough to get by but it's a dangerous game to be playing if they are
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Post by keane on Aug 1, 2017 11:02:38 GMT
Would disagree with one part which is re:Parsons. I think they would be gone long ago if he wasn't playing so well. He is miles better than Seamus O'Shea who is borderline liability at this stage, can't believe what a reputation he has.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2017 11:08:50 GMT
You would have to think this Mayo group are entering last chance Saloon now every time they take the field. We don't know if there is one last big performance in them. They will need at least two to win the All-Ireland.
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 1, 2017 11:28:04 GMT
Mayo in 2018 appeared to have gone back alright. Patrick Durcan and Diarmaid O'Connor should be better this year than they are. Donal Vaughan has gone way back. They are depending on the same few. Tom Parsons and Cafferky are not good enough at this level. Maybe they are doing enough to get by but it's a dangerous game to be playing if they are As I said before Vaughan was never a key man, and if he's gone back he didnt have far to travel. Permanent residence on the bench these days. Durcan is very good, kicked a couple of excellent points on Sunday too. Agree on Diarmuid O'Connor, inconsistent. Parsons is limited and cannot kick the ball properly, but is a good source for winning primary possession. Agree with Keane, Seamus O'Shea has gone backwards at a rate of knots. Now he was a key man. I wrote them off last year and it almost came back to haunt me, but if you look at the face value of there form this year they further away than any time in the last 5 years. |
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 1, 2017 11:38:49 GMT
Mayo in 2018 appeared to have gone back alright. Patrick Durcan and Diarmaid O'Connor should be better this year than they are. Donal Vaughan has gone way back. They are depending on the same few. Tom Parsons and Cafferky are not good enough at this level. Maybe they are doing enough to get by but it's a dangerous game to be playing if they are As I said before Vaughan was never a key man, and if he's gone back he didnt have far to travel. Permanent residence on the bench these days. Durcan is very good, kicked a couple of excellent points on Sunday too. Agree on Diarmuid O'Connor, inconsistent. Parsons is limited and cannot kick the ball properly, but is a good source for winning primary possession. Agree with Keane, Seamus O'Shea has gone backwards at a rate of knots. Now he was a key man. I wrote them off last year and it almost came back to haunt me, but if you look at the face value of there form this year they further away than any time in the last 5 years. Agree with these sentiments - however there is always a nagging doubt as long as they remain in the competition. If Roscommon beat them in the replay they would be dismissed outright as title contenders, Mayo are looked on differently despite their current form. |
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 1, 2017 14:02:18 GMT
What are the thoughts on whether all the games will be beneficial or eventually too much for Mayo - will their legs eventually give or will it continue to bring them on. Very good question. Sometimes when a team has a lucky escape or 2 it is often said "their name is on the cup". In Mayo's case they appear to be staggering from game to game and are just lucky that no team had that bit extra to put them away. I think Colm Cooper's examples of fatigue in the TSG is very significant. They start the replay with a 50/50 chance and if the they do come through that's it for 2017. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 7:07:44 GMT
Mayo's transformation from pre final form last year to the two games in the final was extraordinary. Kerry will need to thread carefully if Mayo come through next weekend. An All-Ireland semi final against Kerry is all that would have been on Mayo's agenda during the year.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 8:01:31 GMT
In 2016 Mayo's game plan was mainly defensive with counter attacks from half back line giving a lot of scores. This was with Dublin in mind and it was more successful than kerrys approach to Dublin. It meant that they were never going to hammer anyone but they did enough to reach the final.
A year later and it's something similar albeit some players seem to have lost form although Keith Higgins is playing better this year than 2016.
Vaughan was magnificent last year till the dubs took him out.....removing him was crucial in their win. He hasn't been the same since.
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 2, 2017 9:24:27 GMT
In 2016 Mayo's game plan was mainly defensive with counter attacks from half back line giving a lot of scores. This was with Dublin in mind and it was more successful than kerrys approach to Dublin. It meant that they were never going to hammer anyone but they did enough to reach the final. A year later and it's something similar albeit some players seem to have lost form although Keith Higgins is playing better this year than 2016. Vaughan was magnificent last year till the dubs took him out.....removing him was crucial in their win. He hasn't been the same since. Are you a relation of Vaughan or something? You need to get over his magnificence, or lack of. |
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 9:43:12 GMT
Why was he selected for "attention" above others by dublin .....
similar to the way Declan was in 2011.
I see you ignored my question in the Kerry -Galway thread as to whether dessies position as anchorman on TSG is tenable given his other job as chief celebrant on the dubsmobile.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 11:32:02 GMT
Mayo played some good football from 2012 to 2016 and were unlucky not to win one. They were lacking one or two really good forwards I think. Vaughan was a big part of it as was others on the Team. Roscommon have some good young players are had a good championship but I think Mayo will do it next week.
That sets up nicely for another semi with them and whatever form some of their players are in. It won't matter come semi final day v Kerry that is all they need to get it back. I think it will be a right battle again. You can be sure he'll be up for it. I know they have not won an All Ireland since the 50s but you can never write them off either.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Aug 2, 2017 12:59:23 GMT
I think Mayo will get over the line on Monday but they are a tired team and really didn't need this extra game on their plate. If they win they will need a week just to rub the miles out of those tired legs and then they are in game week so hard training will be difficult to achieve. Also they will immediately turn their focus on out full forward line and any team would like to practice tactically to deal with the diversity of the it individual talents.
Saying all that Mayo are bloody warriors and the sight of the Green and Gold will remove all aches and weariness from their limbs and they will just go for it as they did last year against the Dubs. On both days they were poxed with misfortune, Keegans engineered black and the two own goals the first game, simply unbelievable. Mayo have at least one outstanding game each year and to stagger into Croke Park bloodied and written off could be the very time tonic to stir them !!
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