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Post by onlykerry on Aug 7, 2017 14:45:02 GMT
Another echo of 2009 - albeit in a replay. QF destruction out of the blue after stumbling to that stage.
Expect a battle on Aug 20th - we need to be up for it to continue our dominance over Mayo.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2017 17:33:57 GMT
They are capable but Kerry will be ready or at least should be. Keep Donaghy inside where he can do damage he has the beating of any Mayo back that will be put on him and he always plays well against them. Mayo will attack in droves and Kerry will need to be ready for that. The runners will have to picked up. I would start O'Brien for this reason. Donnacha and Geaney are not the fastest and were way off the Galway backs when they attacked. I can see us being in trouble and giving up scores in that area. That's a serious concern. I expect Moran and Barry or Maher to give us an edge in Midfield and if we can keep Donaghy inside and he can feed Geaney and O'Donoghue we will get the scores to win. I would drop Donnacha and Geaney for this one. Post up your starting 15 ....
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Post by buck02 on Aug 7, 2017 19:21:57 GMT
I think Mayo will put Vaughan on Donaghy and get him to attack at every opportunity.
We need to nullify the threat of the Mayo half backs. Id suggest a starting half forward line of Donnchadh, Buckley and Lyne. Get Jonathan Lyne to basically man mark Keegan. Bring on Kevin Mc and O Brien when it opens up a bit.
I think our backs can match their forwards. Griffin and Crowley on O Shea. Fionn or Killian on Moran. Enright on Cillian O Connor.
This will be a real test, first game since the league final, 4 and a half months ago, that we need to be at 90% to win.
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Post by jackiel on Aug 7, 2017 19:50:57 GMT
this will be a serious challenge, fans need to show up in huge numbers, wearing colours, being vocal. Mayo are probably the best and most loyal fans in the country. we need to let the team know we're behind them.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2017 20:45:11 GMT
If Mayo manage to nullify Donaghy, which they have never managed to do, its hard to see how Kerry are going to get enough scores to win with the same team that started against Galway.
You can depend on Geaney but JOD hasnt ever made much of an impact against well structured defences. Maybe Sean o Shea will get a run and kick a few points. I would put Kevin McCarthy in the corner and keep JOD in reserve till the match opens out. Same with SOB.
Maybe Darren was held back the last day to cause mayhem out of the blue. I would start Savage.
Mayo have operated at a higher level to Kerry in 2015 and 2016.
One of the things that make me think that Kerry might win is that the Mayo selectors could do sonething mad.
Kerry would appear to have the upper hand under long kickouts but Mayo have a well planned short kickout that Kerry must disrupt to have a chance of winning.
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Post by veteran on Aug 7, 2017 20:48:32 GMT
I think it is fair to say that Kerry were the least impressive of the q-final winners. Irrespective of the poverty of the opposition on the day Mayo were magical. Form a Kerry point of view it is good that Mayo did not stagger over the line as it will remove any chance of complacency which I suspect was going to raise its undesirable head. The semifinal could emulate the 2014 clashes for excitement and indeed for nastiness. Either way it will be hard earned. Assuming both counties will be able to field their best teams I would come down on the side of my county , but hesitantly.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Aug 7, 2017 21:50:21 GMT
Mayo have played one good game this year against Roscommon today who were woeful. Mayo struggled to beat Cork. Can't understand why some people suddenly think there going to beat us. Sure enough, Kerry need to treat them with huge respect but I really can't see anything other than a kerry win here by 4-5 points
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 7, 2017 22:27:07 GMT
I think it is fair to say that Kerry were the least impressive of the q-final winners. Irrespective of the poverty of the opposition on the day Mayo were magical. Form a Kerry point of view it is good that Mayo did not stagger over the line as it will remove any chance of complacency which I suspect was going to raise its undesirable head. The semifinal could emulate the 2014 clashes for excitement and indeed for nastiness. Either way it will be hard earned. Assuming both counties will be able to field their best teams I would come down on the side of my county , but hesitantly. Of the five quarter final games - of those who advance Mayo were the absolute worst and crazily the best on display. I hope they have their big performance out of their system and Kerry heed the warning and treat the game with the respect it deserves. For me it's Kerry's game to win or lose and it simply depends on the performance their bring with them. We are a better side but we need to produce at this business end of the season.
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Post by pillar on Aug 7, 2017 22:32:11 GMT
You would have to tip your hat to Mayo,both team and support.They have been kicked in the guts so many times,failed and yet here they ate back for more.Despite all their failings they never give up.It would have broken a lesser team.And their support 12000 out of 14000 in Limerick for the Cork game.We on the other hand,fed on a stable diet of success,have probaby the worst support in the country until September.Be nice to get a big crowd in Croker for Mayo game.The final will look after itself.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 7, 2017 22:43:47 GMT
Mayo have played one good game this year against Roscommon today who were woeful. Mayo struggled to beat Cork. Can't understand why some people suddenly think there going to beat us. Sure enough, Kerry need to treat them with huge respect but I really can't see anything other than a kerry win here by 4-5 points Why do you think the games up to now in the championship are of any relevance. For the past two years it has been a three way contest between Dublin, Mayo and Kerry with Tyrone inching their way up the ladder. Mayo have drawn with Dublin twice in the last two years. Mayo look to have more options off the bench in 2017.
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Post by fitz on Aug 7, 2017 22:48:54 GMT
Mayo have played one good game this year against Roscommon today who were woeful. Mayo struggled to beat Cork. Can't understand why some people suddenly think there going to beat us. Sure enough, Kerry need to treat them with huge respect but I really can't see anything other than a kerry win here by 4-5 points I agree. Mayo were dynamite today, but it really MUST be factored in that the opposition would have struggled with a Division 4 team today. They were pathetic. Untracked runners all over the pitch. Yards off men receiving passes. Basic simple handling was falling asunder. It's the same team, one good performance doesn't negate the rest of the offal they've produced this Championship, bar second half v Clare. At the same time today is a massive boost for them. They will provide now a serious battle in two weeks. (Repeat)We will need our A game, if we bring it we'll win. For me Fionn needs to be subbed, simply not strong enough physically or in defensive marking(concentration)or tackling. Galway was the most recent example of this.
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Post by southward on Aug 7, 2017 22:53:23 GMT
You would have to tip your hat to Mayo,both team and support.They have been kicked in the guts so many times,failed and yet here they ate back for more.Despite all their failings they never give up.It would have broken a lesser team.And their support 12000 out of 14000 in Limerick for the Cork game.We on the other hand,fed on a stable diet of success,have probaby the worst support in the country until September.Be nice to get a big crowd in Croker for Mayo game.The final will look after itself. This thing about the worst support - in fairness, I think it's a bit of a myth and I don't buy it. Fact is, different counties come and go but Kerry have been there or thereabouts every year for the past 100 or more. Therefore we generally have more Croke Park games than most other counties and we're one of the furthest away from HQ. So naturally every Kerry supporter isn't going to make every game every year; it's impossible for most of us and people have to be a bit selective. We also have a smaller population than the vast majority of our rivals. I think we do ok in the circumstances.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 8, 2017 0:00:56 GMT
It is always impossible to tell whether a team has deliberately opted for the qualifiers or not but in Mayo's case it must be said that after being knocked out in Connaught they were not in charge of their own destiny. A flukey point by Derry, a team that will be in div 3 next year (I think) could have ended it all. They survived that risk 2 more times. Listening to McStay after todays game he said that Roscommon never got into it at all. Mayo beat a team that didn't turn up.
Kerry must be professional and take nothing for granted. They must fight for every ball. But they can win this game. I fully expect them to be in the final.
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Post by dingledude on Aug 8, 2017 0:16:36 GMT
Kerry will not be complacent, but we need to reach 80-90% to see off Mayo, their full back line are suspect under the high ball, Cafferkey replaced by Vaughan today, but Vaughan is not a full back, Donaghy to nail him up on the crossbar, and beat seven shades outa him. Roscommon panicked and played like a division 2 team they have become, they were never serious contenders. Mayo at their best will only give us 35 minutes of a warm up game to prepare for the ?Dubs?
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 8, 2017 8:00:57 GMT
Difficult to know which is the real Mayo - the stumbling version that were lucky to see off Derry/Cork or that which we saw yesterday - somewhere in between I would think. We will be ready for them, no doubts on that one - I expect Killian Young to come in to defence at the expense of Fionn with the rest of the team unchanged - though I would like to see O'Brien start, think he may have to settle for a place on the bench - EF likes a hard working half forward line and that's what you will get with Mickey & Donncha. Midfield will be crucial and I think that we have the edge here given that Seamus O'Shea & Parsons have no been setting the world alight. Kerry for me as Higgins, Keegan & Co will have plenty of defending to do, Mayo to struggle for scores outside of Cillian O'Connor & Andy Moran.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 8, 2017 8:23:49 GMT
Mayo flicked the switch yesterday, no reason to think they wont flick it further on Sunday week. All previous Mayo form this year is irrelevant now that Mayo have reached the last four. This will have been their focus game all year after coming up short last year against Dublin. Expect all Mayo's players to be in the zone on Sunday week. Thirteen days to recover after a long summer and finding form, the perfect place to be.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 8, 2017 8:40:26 GMT
Mayo flicked the switch yesterday, no reason to think they wont flick it further on Sunday week. All previous Mayo form this year is irrelevant now that Mayo have reached the last four. This will have been their focus game all year after coming up short last year against Dublin. Expect all Mayo's players to be in the zone on Sunday week. Thirteen days to recover after a long summer and finding form, the perfect place to be. Yesterday will also give them self belief and momentum - they are dangerous and we will need a strong performance from 1-15. Any weaknesses or players not giving 100% could be expensive. Please God the championship will come alive and we stay in it - this years competition feels like the most boring and strung out competition I can remember.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 8, 2017 8:43:30 GMT
Mayo flicked the switch yesterday, no reason to think they wont flick it further on Sunday week. All previous Mayo form this year is irrelevant now that Mayo have reached the last four. This will have been their focus game all year after coming up short last year against Dublin. Expect all Mayo's players to be in the zone on Sunday week. Thirteen days to recover after a long summer and finding form, the perfect place to be. Yesterday will also give them self belief and momentum - they are dangerous and we will need a strong performance from 1-15. Any weaknesses or players not giving 100% could be expensive. Please God the championship will come alive and we stay in it - this years competition feels like the most boring and strung out competition I can remember. Certainly, Mayo will have gone west yesterday evening knowing they can win the next game. It remains to be seen if they believe they can. Fascinating space, fascinating game coning up. www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/rampant-mayo-haven-t-gone-away-you-know-1.3179679
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Post by piggott on Aug 8, 2017 8:52:06 GMT
At the business end of the season over the past two years, Mayo have taken Dublin to replays twice while Kerry have been beaten by them. It is plain they have been targeting Aug 20th all year, but had to let the cat out of the bag on Monday. If they had scraped a win in the drawn match, we would have been suckers but now we have been forewarned.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 8, 2017 8:54:36 GMT
I think the Kerry setup were always aware that Mayo were capable of switching the switch and would have been prepared regardless.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 8, 2017 10:07:47 GMT
If Mayo manage to nullify Donaghy, which they have never managed to do, its hard to see how Kerry are going to get enough scores to win with the same team that started against Galway. You can depend on Geaney but JOD hasnt ever made much of an impact against well structured defences. Maybe Sean o Shea will get a run and kick a few points. I would put Kevin McCarthy in the corner and keep JOD in reserve till the match opens out. Same with SOB. Maybe Darren was held back the last day to cause mayhem out of the blue. I would start Savage. Mayo have operated at a higher level to Kerry in 2015 and 2016. One of the things that make me think that Kerry might win is that the Mayo selectors could do sonething mad. Kerry would appear to have the upper hand under long kickouts but Mayo have a well planned short kickout that Kerry must disrupt to have a chance of winning. That really went under the radar. If McCarthy isn't fit for Mayo he'd be a big loss.
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Post by playitfair on Aug 8, 2017 10:10:35 GMT
I agree. Thought Keith Higgins did huge damage yesterday. Who's going to track him back.
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Post by veteran on Aug 8, 2017 10:16:58 GMT
I agree. Thought Keith Higgins did huge damage yesterday. Who's going to track him back. If marking JOD I suspect he will not advance too often.
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Post by veteran on Aug 8, 2017 10:18:44 GMT
At the business end of the season over the past two years, Mayo have taken Dublin to replays twice while Kerry have been beaten by them. It is plain they have been targeting Aug 20th all year, but had to let the cat out of the bag on Monday. If they had scraped a win in the drawn match, we would have been suckers but now we have been forewarned. Agreed.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 8, 2017 10:57:32 GMT
Just 3 points I think that could have a bearing on game against Mayo 1) Keep K. Donaghy in or around the square. 2) Start Stephen O'Brien 3) Push up on Mayo kick-outs Thoughts ??
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Post by keane on Aug 8, 2017 11:04:58 GMT
I'd be looking to figure out a way to get Paul Murphy into the half forward line for this one I think.
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Post by KY50 on Aug 8, 2017 11:15:00 GMT
Agree with Piggott, Mayo have been targeting August 20 all the time. When interviewed after the game Aiden O Shea made the point that their numbers are getting better by the week [Fitness/conditioning stats I presume]Coverage on TV yesterday also made the point that Kevin McStay was very unhappy with some off the ball tactics employed ?? Note: The last 2 teams to win replays with extra time in Limerick won All Irelands - Cork v Limerick in 2010, Kerry V Mayo in 2014, Mayo V Cork 2017 ?
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Post by pillar on Aug 8, 2017 11:16:05 GMT
You would have to tip your hat to Mayo,both team and support.They have been kicked in the guts so many times,failed and yet here they ate back for more.Despite all their failings they never give up.It would have broken a lesser team.And their support 12000 out of 14000 in Limerick for the Cork game.We on the other hand,fed on a stable diet of success,have probaby the worst support in the country until September.Be nice to get a big crowd in Croker for Mayo game.The final will look after itself. This thing about the worst support - in fairness, I think it's a bit of a myth and I don't buy it. Fact is, different counties come and go but Kerry have been there or thereabouts every year for the past 100 or more. Therefore we generally have more Croke Park games than most other counties and we're one of the furthest away from HQ. So naturally every Kerry supporter isn't going to make every game every year; it's impossible for most of us and people have to be a bit selective. We also have a smaller population than the vast majority of our rivals. I think we do ok in the circumstances. Ya I think we need an edge to the game to capture supporters. Dead rubber quarter finals don't just cut it for some. I think the Season ticket has been a great initiative as it rewards the die hard and the best thing is if we beat Mayo every season ticket holder knows his All Ireland ticket is secured.My point about September is the constant cackling by some about how hard it is to get an All Ireland final ticket when it's obvious they don't travel all year long.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 8, 2017 13:04:57 GMT
This thing about the worst support - in fairness, I think it's a bit of a myth and I don't buy it. Fact is, different counties come and go but Kerry have been there or thereabouts every year for the past 100 or more. Therefore we generally have more Croke Park games than most other counties and we're one of the furthest away from HQ. So naturally every Kerry supporter isn't going to make every game every year; it's impossible for most of us and people have to be a bit selective. We also have a smaller population than the vast majority of our rivals. I think we do ok in the circumstances. Ya I think we need an edge to the game to capture supporters. Dead rubber quarter finals don't just cut it for some. I think the Season ticket has been a great initiative as it rewards the die hard and the best thing is if we beat Mayo every season ticket holder knows his All Ireland ticket is secured.My point about September is the constant cackling by some about how hard it is to get an All Ireland final ticket when it's obvious they don't travel all year long. This game with the recent history between the two should ensure a full house in Croker.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:29:55 GMT
I would go
1 Kelly
2 Young 3 Griffin 4 Enright
5 Crowley 6 Morley 7 Murphy
8 Moran 9 Barry
10 O'Brien 11 Buckley 12 Lyne
13 Geaney 14 Donaghy 15 O'Donoghue
We need pace and scores from the half forward line to win this one. Jack Barry to play a sweeper role. We need to plug that gap in the midfield half back area. I would tell Buckley to play around the midfield area with Moran. They will probably play two around Donaghy anyway.
Maher Donnacha Savage Darren McCarthy Barry John and either Geaney or a back as needed.
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