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Post by seamus on Aug 2, 2017 14:37:30 GMT
I agree with this.
One view is that Mayo are tired but you could argue Kerry looked 'tired' on Sunday.
Another view is that Mayo are at the same level of maturity as Kerry and treat these game as Kerry do- a pain in the ass that has to be fallen over to get to the high octane, business end of the season when they will catch fire and go flat out.
I expect them to comfortably beat Roscommon and go hammer and tongs against Kerry with a renewed vigour.
The biggest issue I have with Mayo was flagged by Alan Brogan. There seems to be a lack of unity between players and management and the subbing of Boyle and Moran is not going down well. A bit of internal bickering might do them the power of good....
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 15:31:10 GMT
We probably can also factor in a more urgent performance from Kerry if required. It has the makings of another fascinating tie. Will Mayo remain disjointed or will the sum of all parts once more come together! The goal keeping fiasco may also still be having an under the surface impact on the players. Trust is a big thing at the business end. Looking in we don't know what way things are in the Mayo dressing room and it's dynamics. As with Mayo, always a fascinating space.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 2, 2017 15:43:33 GMT
Perhaps the draw this year is part of the malaise in the Mayo minds - they realise that to win the much sought after AI that they have to beat both their nemises of recent years and this is wrecking their heads. Bad enough having to face one massive effort to achieve the holy grail but having them lined up in sequence most likely would drain the blood from most warriors particularly given the path they have travelled in recent years. Life can be cruel.....
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 2, 2017 17:29:43 GMT
Why was he selected for "attention" above others by dublin ..... similar to the way Declan was in 2011. I see you ignored my question in the Kerry -Galway thread as to whether dessies position as anchorman on TSG is tenable given his other job as chief celebrant on the dubsmobile. Mick you are a great man for firing questions when you are struggling in a debate. Moving the goalposts etc. Anyway, the answer is yes Dessie supports Dublin and no his position as anchor of tsg is not untenable. Same as Tomas, Gooch and Pat all root for Kerry but it doesn't disbar them as analysts. That's not to say he is a very average anchor, no Bill O'Herlihy. If he's removed for reasons of poor performance then that's Fair enough. Back to Vaughan, you claim he was a key man until Dublin "took him out". Even with my basic knowledge id wager that if they were looking to take someone out Vaughan would be a long way down the list behind the likes of Keegan, Boyle, Durkan, AOS, Higgins and O'Connor, in no particular order. If he's so good then what position does he play? Imo he is a jack of all trades who has been deployed plugging holes at full back, half back, midfield and half forward. Sure Cafferkey is having a mare of a season and they still wont put Vaughan in at fb. Then you go dragging up 2011, you're still not over that either so. The chances of Brennan making a split second decision to do Declan as he slipped at impact are almost nil and it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Seeing as you're so fond of a question here's one or you. Do you think Declan should have still been on the pitch at that stage after he deliberately threw his elbow back into Kevin Nolan's head leaving him with a golf ball sized lump in the middle of his forehead. You are a decent poster in the main but you cannot help yourself delivering snide remarks when it comes to most things Dublin. |
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Post by piggott on Aug 2, 2017 18:33:01 GMT
If Gooch is tipping Roccommon for replay, should we take notice?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 19:22:17 GMT
Why was he selected for "attention" above others by dublin ..... similar to the way Declan was in 2011. I see you ignored my question in the Kerry -Galway thread as to whether dessies position as anchorman on TSG is tenable given his other job as chief celebrant on the dubsmobile. Mick you are a great man for firing questions when you are struggling in a debate. Moving the goalposts etc. Anyway, the answer is yes Dessie supports Dublin and no his position as anchor of tsg is not untenable. Same as Tomas, Gooch and Pat all root for Kerry but it doesn't disbar them as analysts. That's not to say he is a very average anchor, no Bill O'Herlihy. If he's removed for reasons of poor performance then that's Fair enough. Back to Vaughan, you claim he was a key man until Dublin "took him out". Even with my basic knowledge id wager that if they were looking to take someone out Vaughan would be a long way down the list behind the likes of Keegan, Boyle, Durkan, AOS, Higgins and O'Connor, in no particular order. If he's so good then what position does he play? Imo he is a jack of all trades who has been deployed plugging holes at full back, half back, midfield and half forward. Sure Cafferkey is having a mare of a season and they still wont put Vaughan in at fb. Then you go dragging up 2011, you're still not over that either so. The chances of Brennan making a split second decision to do Declan as he slipped at impact are almost nil and it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Seeing as you're so fond of a question here's one or you. Do you think Declan should have still been on the pitch at that stage after he deliberately threw his elbow back into Kevin Nolan's head leaving him with a golf ball sized lump in the middle of his forehead. You are a decent poster in the main but you cannot help yourself delivering snide remarks when it comes to most things Dublin. Vaughan was stretchered off and hasnt played well since. He scored two points from play in the drawn game for full back. I cant recall anyone else doing that ever. As regards Kevin Nolan in 2011.... did he not get MOTM in that final and score the lead point after the goal. Whatever belt he got mustnt have done him any harm. Now back to Dessie. Two quick questions for you... 1 Do you not see a difference between being a pundit like Whelan, Spillane and Dolan and being the anchorman who is supposed to be even handed. 2 Do you think Dessie was trying to get Donaghy suspended (you said already that Spillane got Connolly suspended) |
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Post by augustafield on Aug 2, 2017 19:49:05 GMT
Mayo quickly 7 points down but 2 points up at half time.
Struggled at start of 2nd half and honestly were there
for the taking . But in last 10 - 15 minutes they had ample
opportunities to win with COC in particular erring . And
Roscommon deservedly getting the draw albeit from a
Hail Mary kick .
Don't write off Mayo so quickly. As a Poster alluded to
Mayo have been gearing themselves all year to meeting
Kerry . As indeed we have to meeting Mayo . Save our
unavailing effort in last years semi against the Dubs ,
Mayo have been the only team to have given the Dubs
a game in the last 2 years . It's backs to the wall for this
Mayo team . This year is arguably their last hurrah . Their
players have given too much have suffered so much that
dying easily is not in their DNA . So whatever about Roscommon
Kerry need to be afraid - to be very afraid .
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 20:16:33 GMT
That's a shocking tackle on Vaughan in the post above, maximum intent! Shows the hard edge to this Dublin team to go with the silken skills. Some heavy tackles from MDMC, Cooper, Philly, Brennan etc over the years.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 20:20:20 GMT
Mayo quickly 7 points down but 2 points up at half time. Struggled at start of 2nd half and honestly were there for the taking . But in last 10 - 15 minutes they had ample opportunities to win with COC in particular erring . And Roscommon deservedly getting the draw albeit from a Hail Mary kick . Don't write off Mayo so quickly. As a Poster alluded to Mayo have been gearing themselves all year to meeting Kerry . As indeed we have to meeting Mayo . Save our unavailing effort in last years semi against the Dubs , Mayo have been the only team to have given the Dubs a game in the last 2 years . It's backs to the wall for this Mayo team . This year is arguably their last hurrah . Their players have given too much have suffered so much that dying easily is not in their DNA . So whatever about Roscommon Kerry need to be afraid - to be very afraid . Nail on head. |
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 2, 2017 20:41:35 GMT
Mick you are a great man for firing questions when you are struggling in a debate. Moving the goalposts etc. Anyway, the answer is yes Dessie supports Dublin and no his position as anchor of tsg is not untenable. Same as Tomas, Gooch and Pat all root for Kerry but it doesn't disbar them as analysts. That's not to say he is a very average anchor, no Bill O'Herlihy. If he's removed for reasons of poor performance then that's Fair enough. Back to Vaughan, you claim he was a key man until Dublin "took him out". Even with my basic knowledge id wager that if they were looking to take someone out Vaughan would be a long way down the list behind the likes of Keegan, Boyle, Durkan, AOS, Higgins and O'Connor, in no particular order. If he's so good then what position does he play? Imo he is a jack of all trades who has been deployed plugging holes at full back, half back, midfield and half forward. Sure Cafferkey is having a mare of a season and they still wont put Vaughan in at fb. Then you go dragging up 2011, you're still not over that either so. The chances of Brennan making a split second decision to do Declan as he slipped at impact are almost nil and it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Seeing as you're so fond of a question here's one or you. Do you think Declan should have still been on the pitch at that stage after he deliberately threw his elbow back into Kevin Nolan's head leaving him with a golf ball sized lump in the middle of his forehead. You are a decent poster in the main but you cannot help yourself delivering snide remarks when it comes to most things Dublin. Vaughan was stretchered off and hasnt played well since. He scored two points from play in the drawn game for full back. I cant recall anyone else doing that ever. As regards Kevin Nolan in 2011.... did he not get MOTM in that final and score the lead point after the goal. Whatever belt he got mustnt have done him any harm. Now back to Dessie. Two quick questions for you... 1 Do you not see a difference between being a pundit like Whelan, Spillane and Dolan and being the anchorman who is supposed to be even handed. 2 Do you think Dessie was trying to get Donaghy suspended (you said already that Spillane got Connolly suspended) Your super slo mo clip always makes the aggressor look worse. But to say Vaughan was deliberately taken out and hasn't been the same since is nonsense. Re scoring 2pts in final, he may have worn number 3 (actually can't remember if he did), but I doubt he was playing full back for the duration. In any event a lot of average players get their 15 mins of fame at some stage. Still doesn't make them key men. They get judged on a body of work over time, even you know this. A Meath lad called Jody Devine once kicked 5 from play in a Leinster game v Dublin on the 90s, hasn't been heard of before or since, does that make him a key man??? Now while your busy trawling YouTube looking for super slo mo clips can you find one of the Declan v Nolan incident and throw it up there, just for posterity. I know Nolan got mom but from what you say once the victim is grand sure we'll carry on with the elbowing craic. Jesus more questions, to answer question 1, yes there is a difference. I'll leave it there seeing as your question leaves no room for a nuanced answer. Question 2, no he wasn't trying to get Donaghy suspended, he was contrasting the hysteria that accompanied the Connolly incident with the lack of same for Donaghy incident. McGuigan was beyond pathetic in his response, Gooch looked at his shoes or something, and Kavanagh made a fairly sane comment. Actually on reflection, Dessie did Gooch a favor by not putting him on the spot. But that was probably anti Kerry bias? And I never said Spillane got Connolly suspended, Connolly did that himself but Pat ensured the CCC needed to "take a look at it" to use a gaa phrase. So to summarize, I think Vaughan is average, you think he was a superstar, sorry "key man" until last year when McCarthy took him out and he has been *e ever since for sone reason. You substantiate your point of view by saying Dublin take out key men when it suits, eg Declan in 2011, while at the same time blithely dismissing Declans elbow because Nolan was mom. You also use Dessies allegiance to Dublin to back up your view that Vaughan is a key man...and dismiss Tomas, Gooch and Pats allegiance to Kerry as a different type of allegiance. Can we just agree that I'm right re Vaughan and dismiss the other waffle??? |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 20:55:05 GMT
Jody Devine never scored five points from play against Dublin in the championship!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 20:58:43 GMT
Jody Devine got five point against Kildare to force a draw...i remember that
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 21:00:11 GMT
Kerry need someone to kick frees from 50 metres. Kelly missed one as well. Rock would have put the ball down in the three instances in the above clip and slotted three points
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 2, 2017 21:12:40 GMT
Jody Devine got five point against Kildare to force a draw...i remember that Correct, in the second game of the trilogy of games in '97, off the bench. |
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Post by veteran on Aug 2, 2017 21:14:50 GMT
Might I suggest we stop worrying about Mayo until it is confirmed they will be our opponents in the semi-final. Reflecting on them at this stage could turn out to be a waste of nervous energy.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2017 21:15:48 GMT
skybluezone... lets agree to differ on Vaughan.
I think Dessie is a disgrace as an anchorman. He should be removed. The Connolly incident would have been relevant ONLY if a Kerry player had manhandled an official.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 2, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
Kerry need someone to kick frees from 50 metres. Kelly missed one as well. Rock would have put the ball down in the three instances in the above clip and slotted three points In simple terms would make difference in tight games, at risk of stating obvious! |
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 2, 2017 22:40:03 GMT
Jody Devine got five point against Kildare to force a draw...i remember that Correct, in the second game of the trilogy of games in '97, off the bench. Ok I'll take your word for it. Memory may be failing me. He may have scored 3 v Dublin. Might make him better than average if he did it more than once! |
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Post by skybluezone on Aug 2, 2017 22:41:42 GMT
skybluezone... lets agree to differ on Vaughan. I think Dessie is a disgrace as an anchorman. He should be removed. The Connolly incident would have been relevant ONLY if a Kerry player had manhandled an official. Ok so. |
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 6, 2017 9:33:28 GMT
I can't see Roscommon coming within 5 points of Mayo tomorrow. I watched the game over again and Mayo misfired in a lot of lines, sideline included. Aidan O Shea, Seamus O Shea, Cillian O Connor were poor,at times and Croke Park is nowhere for the likes of Ger Caff to be trying to find a bit of form. I'm fairly sure that Mayo are experienced enough to know what needs to be done tomorrow. Roscommon were really running out of ideas as half time approached and half time came at the wrong time for Mayo.
Mayo need to make a proper start to both halves, against Tyrone, Dublin or Kerry they would have been dead and buried giving them a 7 point lead.
I think we need Mayo to win this game, we need a good game in the semi final. I'm sure Tyrone will test Dublin's nerve, discipline and desire in 3 weeks time. We need a similar test, Roscommon won't provide that, Mayo,on a going day, most certainly will.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 6, 2017 10:19:24 GMT
It has been just as well that Mayo have been half asleep. Their games with Derry, Cork and Roscommon and Galway were watchable till the end.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 6, 2017 13:45:28 GMT
Correct, in the second game of the trilogy of games in '97, off the bench. Ok I'll take your word for it. Memory may be failing me. He may have scored 3 v Dublin. Might make him better than average if he did it more than once! As a fringe panellist for Meath I doubt he got enough game time to score three points against the Dubs in Croker. |
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 6, 2017 13:47:54 GMT
I can't see Roscommon coming within 5 points of Mayo tomorrow. I watched the game over again and Mayo misfired in a lot of lines, sideline included. Aidan O Shea, Seamus O Shea, Cillian O Connor were poor,at times and Croke Park is nowhere for the likes of Ger Caff to be trying to find a bit of form. I'm fairly sure that Mayo are experienced enough to know what needs to be done tomorrow. Roscommon were really running out of ideas as half time approached and half time came at the wrong time for Mayo. Mayo need to make a proper start to both halves, against Tyrone, Dublin or Kerry they would have been dead and buried giving them a 7 point lead. I think we need Mayo to win this game, we need a good game in the semi final. I'm sure Tyrone will test Dublin's nerve, discipline and desire in 3 weeks time. We need a similar test, Roscommon won't provide that, Mayo,on a going day, most certainly will. All depends on where Mayo are, they have been very disjointed all year. Roscommon will have taken a lot from the drawn game also. |
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Post by fitz on Aug 6, 2017 22:54:40 GMT
Mayo quickly 7 points down but 2 points up at half time. Struggled at start of 2nd half and honestly were there for the taking . But in last 10 - 15 minutes they had ample opportunities to win with COC in particular erring . And Roscommon deservedly getting the draw albeit from a Hail Mary kick . Don't write off Mayo so quickly. As a Poster alluded to Mayo have been gearing themselves all year to meeting Kerry . As indeed we have to meeting Mayo . Save our unavailing effort in last years semi against the Dubs , Mayo have been the only team to have given the Dubs a game in the last 2 years . It's backs to the wall for this Mayo team . This year is arguably their last hurrah . Their players have given too much have suffered so much that dying easily is not in their DNA . So whatever about Roscommon Kerry need to be afraid - to be very afraid . Mayo haven't been gearing up for three draws, two games with extra time, and only 35 minutes(Clare second half) of quality football. They'll have enough fear, and tiredness to go with it. I think Mayo will beat Roscommon.I respect Mayo, they're a fine team with great character but their body of work this year is a definite regression on last year. Our trajectory is upward. Mayo won't be beaten easily but if we play well, we'll win. |
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Post by gaelicden on Aug 7, 2017 13:32:32 GMT
Looks like mayo 12 points up now , Kerry won't want to be complacent in the semi
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2017 13:40:22 GMT
A seriously dangerous animal now!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 13:45:48 GMT
Ridiculous to even suggest that complacency could be an issue with Kerry
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 7, 2017 13:46:07 GMT
Continuing the football trend of this weekend, another complete blowout in Croke Park! The challenge Kerry need and want is coming and nobody in Kerry will be taking this lightly. There's serious character in that Mayo team and they'll take beating - strong hearts required for this one!
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 7, 2017 13:51:48 GMT
Mayo on their day are capable of beating Kerry.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 14:35:52 GMT
They are capable but Kerry will be ready or at least should be. Keep Donaghy inside where he can do damage he has the beating of any Mayo back that will be put on him and he always plays well against them. Mayo will attack in droves and Kerry will need to be ready for that. The runners will have to picked up. I would start O'Brien for this reason. Donnacha and Geaney are not the fastest and were way off the Galway backs when they attacked.
I can see us being in trouble and giving up scores in that area. That's a serious concern.
I expect Moran and Barry or Maher to give us an edge in Midfield and if we can keep Donaghy inside and he can feed Geaney and O'Donoghue we will get the scores to win. I would drop Donnacha and Geaney for this one.
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