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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2007 21:17:27 GMT
30 years after Bernard Brogan buried Kerry it looks like his sons could do the same.
I was at the game today and dublin are slowly but surely solving all their problems. They now have a free taker. Alan Brogan looks a serious player.
They are playing the long ball into Keaney in the full forward line just like Kerry do with Donaghy. Every bit of advise that Jack o connor gave in his Irish Times articles have been put into practice.
Their workrate in huge and they are relentless.
The pieces of the jigsaw are falling into place.
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Post by osama on Jul 15, 2007 21:39:20 GMT
They were impressive today but they are still short of Tyrone and Kerry, I was more impressed by a depleted Tyrone than Dublin.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 15, 2007 22:08:47 GMT
Agree with Osama.
The Dubs vs Laois was men versus boys stuff and the Dubs really and fairly - let it be added - bullied them out of it. Tyrone while not at full tilt due to injuries are still a mighty impressive outfit and one senses there is still a lot more to come form them. Tyrone have been my tip all year for All-Ireland glory and at full blast I think they are the strongest outfit in country. I think Martain beag might be right after all - this year might see another Tyrone v Dublin All-Ireland final with Tyrone exacting revenge for 95.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 15, 2007 22:16:41 GMT
Mickmack, I missed the game today. Are they really that good?
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Post by martym on Jul 15, 2007 22:18:46 GMT
Was there as well ,Dublin really have improved they can now go through the gears , What do you think of Cork V Louth
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Post by peig on Jul 15, 2007 22:20:55 GMT
Was there as well ,Dublin really have improved they can now go through the gears , What do you think of Cork V Louth I was just going to ask Owen the same! Josephine Brolly (as someone else called him) reckons it'll be a tough one for Cork...
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 15, 2007 22:23:51 GMT
Me or a general question? I was off on holidays with a few days and missed the Sunday game so I have no idea how anyone played over the weekend. I still wouldn't think it was a forgone conclusion as to the result.... Fermanagh isn't that many years ago....
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Post by martym on Jul 15, 2007 22:27:06 GMT
Louth had a great win in Newbridge kicked some great scores Kildare shot a lot of wides .Still Cork should beat a team that took 3 games to beat wicklow
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Post by Aine on Jul 16, 2007 0:35:39 GMT
Was watching the Dub game on tv and i know that its a lot different when you watch a game live but I can't see the Dubs in the same league as Kerry and Tyrone. I also think that if the Dubs meet Cork, Cork would beat them.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Jul 16, 2007 8:45:33 GMT
dublin completely dominated the game against a terrible laois outfit, and won by 6 points, but only managed two more scores than laois with huge ammounts of possesion. they are still wasteful in attack, and had another long spell without scoring in the game again. they were decent enough yesterday but a top team wont give them the chances laois will. also dublins defence looked wide open down the middle in the second half with laois running through almost at will, even if they did make poor use of the ball. again, a top team will punish them more.
the two minute spell when laois got taken for two goals cost them, but when teams conceed goals against dublin, with the crowd and euphoria, they should try and slow the game down for a few minutes, and not let them get on a roll like they often do. dublin seem to rely on goals in the games they win, and often score them in quick succession. you cannot allow them to do that.
on cork v louth, i think (no disrespect to louth) that it's the game we would have hoped for. they will be no pushover, and already have had 6 games this year, but this is the type of game that we should win with 6 or 7 points to spare.
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Post by lostinmayo on Jul 16, 2007 9:55:08 GMT
it's hard to judge form yesterday's game how good the Dubs really are, personally i think they're still short of the mark. They're becoming the most hated team in the country with their antics, the players antics that is, can't they just play the game and less of the bs. I was reading in indo yesterday they have a backroom team of 14, coaches for every aspect of game, huge amount of money being pumped in there, wonder did the players get win bonuses yesterday.
What about Derry, they look a decent team this year, beaten Armagh and hammered Mayo, wouldn't like to get them
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Post by buck02 on Jul 16, 2007 10:07:43 GMT
The antics of the Dublin players was sad to see - why do they resort to that sort of crap? Dublin were good in stages but at times looked poor - poor shooting (by Keaney & Sherlock especially), poor passing and the ease at which Laois went through the centre inside the 50 will worry Caffrey.
Its all set up for a Kerry/Dublin semi final - 30 years after "the greatest game of all time". The bandwagon will be well and truely rolling at that stage and they wont be easy to beat.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2007 10:51:02 GMT
the old swagger is back in the dubs.........
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 16, 2007 10:57:23 GMT
Well, you'd have to give them that Mickmack. They have the confidence alright to go all the way...
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Post by gruaigcatach on Jul 16, 2007 11:00:59 GMT
they have the swagger alright, but will there be anything to back it up once they meet anyone decent. the only non-leinster teams dublin have beaten since they last won sam are london, leitrim, antrim, roscommon, derry.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2007 11:51:08 GMT
the only non leinster teams thay have beaten since 1995 are London, Leitrim, Limerick, Donegal and Derry
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 16, 2007 11:52:20 GMT
they have the swagger alright, but will there be anything to back it up once they meet anyone decent. the only non-leinster teams dublin have beaten since they last won sam are london, leitrim, antrim, roscommon, derry. Gruaig, I could understand you forgetting about us beating Tir Daniel in the 2002 Quarter Final replay........but to forget about our epic win over the mighty Sligo, that paved the (very congested) way to Thurles, is hard to understand I agree with your post above, sums it up quite well, nothing much to add to it. At times in the second half especially, the marking of Laois backs coming out with the ball was shocking, also to not have covered the centre-back position better was a crime, though on this occasion Cullen was not to blame, as he had gone centre forward The other big weakness that you didnt mention is Ross McConnell - a terrible mistake for the Laois goal - his major inexperience will cost us, he has yet to come up against a really top FF (for some reason GG was never really on him in the two Meath games) Overall, Dublin played ok, but also it's clear that like most teams, they have not reached top fitness yet, there was nothing like the pace that they were at this time last year. The baiting thing is wrong I agree, though they are not the only ones doing it. That kind of thing I believe comes back to bite you..... Mind you, I notice yis make no mention of Laois dirty tactics, hitting & pulling off the ball, third man tackles etc, which they did right from (before) the start. Luckily this ref was wise to it. As far as I know, not one Dublin player was booked. And I might add, give me a bit of baiting any day over the cynical fouling we've seen in some games....... Jaysus, I nearly choked on my breakfast of leftover fish & chips and stale beer when I read the first post above - Mickmack thinks Dublin are shaping up Mick, I think you're starting to "move through the gears" of psychological warfare. You're getting into your swagger....... It was clear as day to anyone who was at that match that the second half was a messy display of two mediocre teams, one of whom are physically stronger & more clinical. Laois played very well in the first half, and at the start of the second, then began to fade badly as the physicality & the goals took their toll. Keaney's shooting again disappointed, as did A Brogan's at times. Jayo missed easy scores (though will do better next time), and Madser Vaughan is far from a natural point-shooter from play. Mossy did ok when he came in, but his distribution was poor. Still alot of aimless long balls at times from Dublin's half-backs. Lets see what the quarters throws up, Cork look very strong, Donegal will find their form again, Derry could be alot better than I gave them credit for, as could Monaghan
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2007 11:54:20 GMT
The sight of Bernard Brogan yesterday drilling for oil through the centre will bring back nasty memories of the summer of 1977........ for those of us aged 40+
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 16, 2007 12:02:17 GMT
The sight of Bernard Brogan yesterday drilling for oil through the centre will bring back nasty memories of the summer of 1977........ for those of us aged 40+ The second goal was a peach, with Jayo being the main instigator. BB looks a find, but needs to improve on his point-shooting & certainly on his marking of the Laois backs coming out Where were you in the ground Mick?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2007 12:09:21 GMT
You dont have to be perfect to win the all ireland. Every team has problems. Kerry have no cover in defense and will have a few players with no experience of Croke Park in defense........ thats a problem.
Dublin have taken on board most of Jack o Connors advise.........
None of the silly marching towards the Hill A settled full forward line They now kick the ball more They dont all solo the ball before kicking anymore They are playing it long into Keaney at 14
All that and Vaughan is deadly from the placed ball
The Leinster footabll championship is turning into a procession just like it is in the hurling.
This will allow Dublin to peak for the games that they need to peak for.
The future is blue.........
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 16, 2007 12:15:57 GMT
Mickmack, it would be hard for the likes of Kerry to play against them at this stage. The difference between Dublin and say the likes of Cork is that they are used to winning in the last few years. I better start booking my ticket out of here for September. Would France be far enough away?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 16, 2007 12:29:39 GMT
Jaysus, a combined Cork-Kerry psych-illogical attack - always knew yis were thick as thieves...... Mick, Dublin have been using the foot-passing, both long & short, regularly, to great effect since at least 2002. Where have you been? Where had Jack OConnor been?? Also the long ball to Keaney is nothing new either. As I said on here several times in the "target-man" debate, Dublin have several players who have great strength & ability to win tough, high ball in the forwards - Keaney, ABrogan, Mossie, Bonner when he plays. I guess Kerry people have only really started to pay attention since yesterday in case yis might have to play us next month............
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 16, 2007 12:34:31 GMT
Once in a while Cork and Kerry agree on things. Doesn't happen very often thank god! Yerra, if Dublin keep their heads, they are as good as any team. The bookies would seem to support that as well. 9/2 at the moment rashers with Boyles, not bad really when ye are only two games away from the final.
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Post by kerryman on Jul 16, 2007 12:36:34 GMT
Dublin did well against a Laois side that I think will beat Derry if they wise up.
Again a Dublin goal is allowed when the rules are broken. Vaughan's goal was preceded by a blatent case of over carrying (11 steps).
Laois would well have come back into it: 6 points down with 20 minutes to go and all of the possession but they kept on going for goal. Stupid. If you chip away a Dublin lead, the confidence drops out of the team and the crowd. Once that happens they don't win as far as I can tell.
Finally, the goading of the players is one thing, but doing it as blatently as Cullen and Alan Brogen was awful, particularly when there's elements of the crowd that would start a punch up at the drop of a hat.
I still think Dublin are the 4th best team in the country. Celebrating like mad after winning Leinster again is one thing, but no Leinster county has been in a football final since 2001, and no Leinster county has one it in 8 years...
p.s. Whelan was outstanding though.
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Post by gruaigcatach on Jul 16, 2007 12:56:09 GMT
they have the swagger alright, but will there be anything to back it up once they meet anyone decent. the only non-leinster teams dublin have beaten since they last won sam are london, leitrim, antrim, roscommon, derry. Gruaig, I could understand you forgetting about us beating Tir Daniel in the 2002 Quarter Final replay........but to forget about our epic win over the mighty Sligo, that paved the (very congested) way to Thurles, is hard to understand ya i should have remembered that ye beat sligo seeing as i was in croker that day for the cork-galway game that was the first part of the double header!!!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 16, 2007 13:00:17 GMT
Dublin did well against a Laois side that I think will beat Derry if they wise up. Again a Dublin goal is allowed when the rules are broken. Vaughan's goal was preceded by a blatent case of over carrying (11 steps). Laois would well have come back into it: 6 points down with 20 minutes to go and all of the possession but they kept on going for goal. Stupid. If you chip away a Dublin lead, the confidence drops out of the team and the crowd. Once that happens they don't win as far as I can tell. Finally, the goading of the players is one thing, but doing it as blatently as Cullen and Alan Brogen was awful, particularly when there's elements of the crowd that would start a punch up at the drop of a hat. I still think Dublin are the 4th best team in the country. Celebrating like mad after winning Leinster again is one thing, but no Leinster county has been in a football final since 2001, and no Leinster county has one it in 8 years... p.s. Whelan was outstanding though. Oh sweet mother of divine mercy & all thats holy, praise of Whelo? I need to lie down. I wont be able for me coddle & colcannon on toast for lunch..... Agree with all the above Kerryman. A 3-point defeat for Luas would have been a fairer reflection. Just to add, Whelo's marking/tracking wasnt all that great yesterday. Leinster badly needs an All-Ireland, or we could end up like Ulster going for 20 years or more without. I dont think Meath are anywhere near being challengers again yet As for the celebrations - yesterday was much less than last year, and much less again than 2 years ago. Still, for all the devaluing of the provinces, it's great to win 3 Delaney cups in a row - only Meath 86-88 & Offaly 80-82 outside Dublin have done it in my lifetime. Nothing wrong with celebrating the good days as if they might be the last - always make the most of it is my philosophy, it would be a sad day if Dublin teams did not think much of winning Leinster - it sets a standard for others to follow - that Leinster still means something, and other teams (like SLigo in Connaught) will have to be of the right stuff to win it.......
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2007 13:03:46 GMT
No ref has the balls to disallow a goal in front of the Hill when Dublin are playing unless its a goal for the opposition....... ask Meath.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 16, 2007 13:09:07 GMT
No ref has the balls to disallow a goal in front of the Hill when Dublin are playing unless its a goal for the opposition....... ask Meath. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz No ref has the balls to give a penalty against Kerry in front of the Hill, even when a Kerry player picks the ball up off the ground in the small parallelogram
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2007 13:10:15 GMT
Rashers........ In a previous thread some months ago I suggested that unless Dublin play it long to a targetman at 14 they are going no where. I pointed out that Donaghy, Mulligan, Clarke and Crowley were examples from recent years.
You disagreed......... saying that dublins attacking methods were fine.
Now......... dublin change tack and you pretend that this is the way it always has been.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 16, 2007 13:11:37 GMT
If Keaney and Sherlock had their shooting boots on Dublin would have won by 12 points. And what was wrong with Joe Higgins yesterday?
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