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Post by noreenos on Jul 17, 2007 19:50:08 GMT
Have to agree with most of what you wrote there Kerrygold. Laois needed to ask some questions in that second half and did not do the business. Dublin were messing around for a good 20 minutes especially second half. They came out flying but can they stand the pace for the full 70 minutes? Look what Mayo did to them last year. Nobody on this forum has mentioned Monaghan. they held Tyrone to 3 points and looked like getting two goals in the last quarter. Monaghan would have been a better match for Dublin on Sunday. Much better game to watch than the Leinster Final. Agree also that Dublin have not been tested at all yet. Tyrone looked sharp at times but looked lacking in defence as mentioned before here-Mickie Harte will work on that no doubt.
Will be exciting stuff to come
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2007 21:07:17 GMT
The future is blue lads........ i'm telling ye
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2007 21:14:26 GMT
Maybe monaghan were teasingly hinting to the other pretenders out there.Did anyone else feel tryone lacked a wee bit of their intensity in the tackle,especially the swarm blanket defense.
there were long periods when they look moderate,they dont like the high ball into their own fullback line.Dooher didnt train between games this time and o neil wasnt fit to start again.
declan,gooch,galvin, donaghy,quirke,brosnan.
people laughed at that forward line earlier if we met tyrone, i know its a wee bit away with the fairies and far fetched,but i suspect ricey and co. wouldnt fancy it if it functioned on a given day,the long ball is proberly the best way to beat tyrone.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2007 21:16:18 GMT
The future is blue lads........ i'm telling ye bernard brogan is a huge potential talent,i liked the look of him a few years ago in an leinster u21 final
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2007 21:16:32 GMT
Gooch operated at CHF against dublin in the league and was awsome. His vision is amazing
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Post by martym on Jul 17, 2007 21:29:22 GMT
Mick Mack how do you think the Kerry defense would cope with the Dubkin forwards based on Sundays display ?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2007 21:31:32 GMT
Dublin play a relentless team game...... they will overwhelm most defenses
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Post by Hoffster on Jul 17, 2007 22:40:10 GMT
I'm late to this one..a few things though. All this praise for the Dubs...was their free hashish given out over the weekend??? Yes at times the Dubs played well...however a) 2 scores more than Laois b) Ross McConnell is still looking far from confident at full back.Have seen him play at midfield for his club...outstanding at times. c) Dubs kicked 5 wides inside 30 yards one after another...poor shooting d) half back line suspect. I don't rate Paul casey at all..only thing going is his father is from Kerry. e)Laois/Meath are not in the class of Kerry/Tyrone/ possibly even Cork
On a positive oneI've also seen a lot of Bernard Brogan JR. I think he'll be better than Alan. ALso another brother Paul is a back with Club and is making a late surge to GAA..played golf as a youngster..He is strong as a horse.
Oliver Plunketts--dark horses for All Ireland club
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 17, 2007 23:51:27 GMT
I was a neutral observer at yesterday's match until dublin started their very unsportsmanlike behaviour. Cullen, Vaughan, Brogan and Whelan are the worst offenders...constantly goading their direct opponents, pointing at score boards and the like. Dublin can't get knocked out of the championship soon enough. Should I start one of these rasher type polls for ye to decide which would be worse if Kerry were to lose the final to... Dublin, Tyrone or Cork? Eoghan, I've never started any polls about personalities like that - I'm far too busy discussing the relative merits of teams & players for all that banter & trivia Sure havent I been banging on asking people on here about the relative merits of various potentially opposing players on the Dublin & Kerry teams since this forum made its miraculous re-conception? Seems like theyve finally woken up and started to think about it. In the meantime Abue, what do you think about Murphy Vs Whelo? Masters Vs Henno? Cussen Vs McConnell (assuming Cussen stays FF)? Quirke Vs Clucko? Canty Vs Keaney? Spillane Vs Madser Vaughan?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 18, 2007 0:12:27 GMT
Clucko? What is he, a hen laying eggs?
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Post by kerry07 on Jul 18, 2007 0:26:23 GMT
No Stacks A bird to be plucked
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 18, 2007 7:15:41 GMT
Rashers.....a few months ago you were raving about Barry Cahill, comparing him to Tomas o Shea as far as i can recall. I could see where you were coming from on sunday last.
Is it a concern for you that the leinster football championship is going the way of the leinster hurling championship........ a procession........ game over at half time. The ulster, connaght and munster championships were fought for to the death?
Even the dub fans near me were bored by it all
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 7:35:22 GMT
Rashers, I would nearly ask the Kerry people to compare those players because I think I might have a slight Cork bias in my selections.
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Post by diehard on Jul 18, 2007 13:23:38 GMT
Dubs lack one thing on and off the field and they won't win an AI without CLASS!
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 18, 2007 14:06:50 GMT
In the meantime Abue, what do you think about Murphy Vs Whelo? - Whelo. Masters Vs Henno? - Masters. Cussen Vs McConnell (assuming Cussen stays FF)? McConnell - Quirke Vs Clucko? The hen. Canty Vs Keaney? Canty. Spillane Vs Madser Vaughan? Spillane.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 18, 2007 14:10:35 GMT
its quiet possible that dublin might be the only team from leinster through to the last eight after this weekend,that might be something that might play on dublins mind for the road ahead.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 14:10:47 GMT
Ya IFTB, what are you trying to say?
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 18, 2007 14:13:03 GMT
you asked for a kerryman to rate them and so i did. the bold thingie didnt work
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 14:16:45 GMT
Could you be so bold to try again so!
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 18, 2007 14:19:37 GMT
you could be so "unbold" as to read over it and not depend on bold to help your poor eyes see it..
you cant satisfy these cork lads...
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 14:25:28 GMT
Sorry, it is late in the day. Can't believe you picked the Hen!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 18, 2007 15:22:51 GMT
In todays irish times Jack o Connor says pretty much what I have been saying......... the Dubs are a serious outfit now
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 15:26:40 GMT
Dublin defence now faces bigger test
Jack O'Connor's column: The worry for Dublin is they may have perfected their physical style a year too late
On the train journey to Dublin for the 2004 All-Ireland final I casually asked Pat Flanagan, our team trainer, how close to the peak of physical maturity our team was. Pat said that on a scale of one to 10 we had arrived at seven. For a moment I thought Pat was testing my nerves for his own amusement. He shook his head. I said, "Pat, when will we get to 10?"
We'd done a rigorous weight-training programme all year and we were at seven! Pat said it would take another two years to get full benefit. Subsequent events proved Pat right.
I thought of Pat and that conversation at the weekend when I watched Laois and Dublin. I know Liam Kearns is a big believer in the benefit of weights work and Laois have taken to the gym in earnest this year. There were rumours seeping out of the county of a new physicality to Laois football. On Sunday, however, they were up against a team two or three years ahead of them in the physical stakes.
Dublin are now a powerful, athletic team and use their muscle to their advantage. The sure sign a team has pumped a lot of weights is when you see players relishing the physical stuff. Bryan Cullen and Shane Ryan and others are now looking to put in big hits and legitimately nail guys. Nothing wears the opposition down quicker as a game develops.
Early on Laois used their speed and mobility to escape Dublin's clutches but when it got to the hand-to-hand stuff Dublin's power paid dividends. Even the Dublin shirts, with the navy patches on the shoulders, enhance the impression of huge power.
Interestingly, when Kearns was in Limerick he produced a physical team, but there he had a hard core of big men like John Galvin, John Quane, Jason Stokes, Stephen Lucey, John McCarthy. They were naturally able to impose their physicality. Outside of Tom Kelly and Darren Rooney he doesn't really have the physical advantages with Laois. Padraig Clancy and Brendan Quigley are big men but as of yet they don't have the power of a Ryan or a Ciarán Whelan.
So on Sunday the Laois forwards were pushed farther out the field and nothing that was going to the inside line was sticking. As a result the game just lost its shape in the second half as Laois just ran with the ball from wherever they found it. It often ended up with a Laois wing back taking a pot-shot as his team lost shape.
Dublin are now in a very strong position. They have a better team than when they started the championship. They have stopped the silly rotating of the forwards and abandoned the pre-game theatrics in front of The Hill. They have had four games of varying intensity in front of 80,000 people and seem to appreciate the flip side of the pressure they play under in the city is that they get more game time in Croke Park than anybody else.
Including the floodlit game with Tyrone, when Dublin play the All-Ireland quarter-final in Croke Park in a few weeks' time it will be their 10th big game in front of a full house at headquarters in two seasons. The more you get to do a task under pressure the less daunting it becomes.
Dublin are very at home in Croke Park. No wonder they don't do the league well. What must a rainy Sunday afternoon in Ballybofey feel like to lads who are used to plugging into the electricity of Croker.
They have a lot of players going well right now. Goals are the life force for Dublin teams and the three they scored on Sunday were good team goals.
This is the key to Dublin because up to now they have been very individualistic in the forwards.
Tyrone's trademark is that the sum of the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. If Dublin can get that equation right they will be a very serious proposition.
Alan Brogan is a good example. He is a key player for Dublin. His display against Mayo in last year's semi-final was as exciting any by an individual I have ever seen in Croke Park.
There are times, however, when he looks like he is just playing it off the cuff. That is fine when it keeps the opposition guessing. The problem is that he keeps some of his team-mates guessing too.
The main man in the forward line sets the tone and Brogan has to add that team element to his individual brilliance.
That's what makes the Gooch the genius he is. He is first and foremost a team player. When Brogan gets as much of a kick out of making a score as getting one then he will be the real deal.
Conal Keaney has really developed this year. He is now a strong ball winner, he can score and he proved on Sunday with his assists for the goals that he can create as well.
Young Brogan (Bernard) and Mark Vaughan are exciting additions to a forward line that is being supplied with huge amounts of ball from a dominant midfield. At one stage on Sunday the possession ratio was an astonishing 75 to 25 in Dublin's favour.
Yet for all that dominance Dublin still have vulnerabilities. The worry is they may have perfected their physical style of play a year too late.
Laois had a very small inside line on Sunday yet Ross McConnell, who looks like an excellent ball player generally, was caught badly for the Laois goal off a high ball. Against Meath the same thing happened a few times to himself and David Henry.
The game has been changed by the success of Kieran Donaghy last year. Laois, for instance, might have been wise to sacrifice one of their big men from the middle as a target man up front on Sunday.
Monaghan threw Vincent Corey up into the full-forward spot at half-time against Tyrone in Clones on Sunday and he caused massive trouble.
More and more teams are seeing the futility of trying to thread the ball with mazy passes through a bulked-up defence when a good early ball will do more damage.
The worry for Dublin is that the rest of the championship is littered with big full forwards, most notably Donaghy, Michael Cussen and Enda Muldoon.
Now the three in a row in Leinster is out of the way Dublin can get down to business though. Sunday's final was only a sideshow and Paul "Pillar" Caffrey will be very pleased his team have come out of there with the momentum building. Will the obsession and hunger of 12 long years be enough to bring them to the starting blocks in September?
Sin í an ceist.
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 15:29:22 GMT
Jack, if you are reading this, please do not use ‘Pillar’ for Paul Caffrey; by doing so, you go away down in my estimations of you as a serious journalist.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 18, 2007 15:29:56 GMT
Rashers........ stop the mind games. Dublin cant expect to stay under the radar anymore. They have arrived as a major force and you know it........
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 18, 2007 16:08:34 GMT
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The last time the Dubs scored a victory over Kerry in the Championship. Does anyone else get a feeling the Dubs may be our nemesis this year – is the hand of history about to swing their way.
Maybe if one of the Brogan boys scores a spectacular goal against us – they’ll stop showing the greatest wide ever by Kevin Moran…that would be a positive anyway.
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Post by BIGMAC on Jul 18, 2007 16:28:15 GMT
the dubs for sam 07 no doubt theres no team near them this year
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Post by Owenabue on Jul 18, 2007 16:31:50 GMT
BIGMAC, thank god I'm not near them.... tis hard enough sticking the hoors over the county bounds.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 18, 2007 16:41:54 GMT
the dubs for sam 07 no doubt theres no team near them this year You serious?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 18, 2007 19:33:01 GMT
its obvious stacks the way the dublin players pointed to the score board at the end of the game that they known deep down they have crossed the line to become serious contenters.
anyway bigmac is rarely wrong with his observations.
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