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Post by Mickmack on Aug 8, 2006 18:02:31 GMT
Mike Franks general play was excellent.......... but.........his shot selection was not............ Gooch only shoots when the shot is on............I feel that MFR is trying too hard at times to score............
All players who play for free for their county need our respect and admiration............. they are representing us.................. Jack may have been slow in dropping Declan but he was the captain and it cant be easy for declan to take. Declan has reacted in a very edifying and mature fashion and I salute him
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RashersTierney
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Post by RashersTierney on Aug 8, 2006 20:03:03 GMT
Gee, I never knew Jay-o played for Laois Only in his stocking feet ;D BTW Hows Mark O'Connor these days? He'd almost SLIPPED my mind
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ballintoy
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Post by ballintoy on Aug 8, 2006 21:20:20 GMT
Although disappointed that Armagh lost in Saturday, I have to say I still really enjoyed the game. As someone who is primarily a hurling person. This last few years I have been following Football more intensely. And have always enjoyed watching Tyrone, Armagh, the Kingdom and the Dubs. I wouldn't say I am any connoisseur, unlike some posters here. But what I have seen especially from the for- mentioned Counties, has been nothing short of top class entertainment. Fair play to Kerry and all the other teams for giving Irish people something to be very proud off. Sorry Kerry folks, but would love to see another new name on Sam this year. Anybody but Kerry
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Post by Joxer on Aug 9, 2006 6:56:20 GMT
only coming down from the high of saturday now....ah, dermot, where are ye now when we need ye??? could ye not have hung on for a while? well done to team and management...great performance inside and outside the line...no change on starting fifteen for the semi...nothing won yet and Cork will be ready...still, saturday was fantastic....
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 9, 2006 9:48:07 GMT
AustinStackabu this is more of a reply to you. First of all I brought up the issue about Declan through as there was a good bit of moaning and abuse from supporters when he was brought on against Armagh. Some words are too strong to print here but again it was out of order. AustinStackAbu about the cheering in Cork i still think that was shameful you have a stong point about why you did it but you have just started a new job in a foreign country,would you like to come into work knowing your colleagues were jeering you and wished you weren't there. What do you think Declan feels ever time every time he is pulling on that Kerry jersey anymore. When we were all younger and unwise we all dreamed about winning an ireland as kerry captain but that dream has turned into a nightmare for Declan. he deserved to be dropped but if he came back on that dream IS STILL SPOILT.
As for the comments about jack you shared your point and your comments were valid enough but i was more alluding to others that were more vindicative and making snide and cutting remarks. One comes to mind about jack being the pied piper and so on.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2006 10:23:29 GMT
AustinStackabu this is more of a reply to you. First of all I brought up the issue about Declan through as there was a good bit of moaning and abuse from supporters when he was brought on against Armagh. Some words are too strong to print here but again it was out of order. AustinStackAbu about the cheering in Cork i still think that was shameful you have a stong point about why you did it but you have just started a new job in a foreign country,would you like to come into work knowing your colleagues were jeering you and wished you weren't there. What do you think Declan feels ever time every time he is pulling on that Kerry jersey anymore. When we were all younger and unwise we all dreamed about winning an ireland as kerry captain but that dream has turned into a nightmare for Declan. he deserved to be dropped but if he came back on that dream IS STILL SPOILT. As for the comments about jack you shared your point and your comments were valid enough but i was more alluding to others that were more vindicative and making snide and cutting remarks. One comes to mind about jack being the pied piper and so on. let it go lads,lets move on.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2006 10:46:04 GMT
last saturday was huge,a massive result for kerry,we won because we believed in our selves and in kerry football and we cut lose playing kerry football.
the o se's were emense,it was great to see jack making a bee line for dara after the game and jumping into his arms,that told us everything we wanted to know.
i've always felt we have paid too much homage to the myth that ulster football is this super machine,now the monkey is off the back.
saturday in time to come will prove to be a huge learning curve for the young bucks on the kerry team such as declan,sheehan,donaghy,gooch,dareen,these are the future of kerry football and to see how dara and seamus grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck in white hot heat of the croker furnass will only inhance their development in the kerry jersey.
in dara and seamus we have two of the greatest players to ever wear a kerry jersey,both are on the treshold of becoming kerry greats and legends. Add in galvin and donaghy we now have two forwards who would stare down a charging raging bull.
congrats to jack for turning the tide over the last few weeks,i'd say he learned more in the last 6 weeks than in all his previous years involved in football. Congrats and well done,i salute you.
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Post by BIGMAC on Aug 9, 2006 12:42:39 GMT
hola amigos,first thanks for the kind words both on the forum and by pm.i've no problem with sats result but i'm still gutted.dos was sublime and i thought mcgrane would have given him a harder time ,gezzer had a gr8 game but as we could see in the second half that time and tide wait for no man and i think gezzer will recognize this. a great game and i though we were still in with a gr8 shout right up untill the 3rd goal when it was noticeable that a lot of our lads uncharteristly dropped their heads,this game would have graced the final. on the handbags stuff......is there ang1 on this forum that would'nt want to see they team give all and with john toal i think it showed how much he wanted to be their (on the pitch) galvins petulance showed the same and i dont fault either player,in the heat of battle we all lose some or all of our decorum. i have no doubt the no 34 is on its was to the kingdom as i dont see any1 there to stop kerry and i dont mean to run down the teams that are left but on corks display on sat they wont set the world on fire and i'm still unconvinced about dublin. enough said for now........again congrats on ur win over us im away to cry in me beer for another while THERE CAN BE ONLY 1
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Post by Original KYFan on Aug 9, 2006 12:49:53 GMT
Fair play Big Mac - I think you summed it up quite well there (and I hope you're right going forward!).
What a match! And it was great to see the respect both teams had for each other at the final whistle...regardless of what went on during the match.
I hope this isn't the last of some of the great Armagh players, but I suppose only time will tell.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 9, 2006 13:09:42 GMT
Hard luck BM ................... No matter what happens you will still have a lethal FF line next year - McDonald & Clark are class and if you can get your half back & half forward lines going you guys will be lethal. Good luck next year.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 9, 2006 13:26:28 GMT
I wonder will the panel of the Championship (on BBC2 at 9 tonite) be as kind to Kerry as Bigmac & Dermot......should make interesting viewing (and its repeated tomorrow night at 11.20 for those who wont see it tonite).
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Post by eastciarrai on Aug 9, 2006 13:44:38 GMT
yes hard luck big mack. ye did give us a very good game. one of my main memorys of croke park was after the 2000 semi about 10 minutes after the final whistle. i was wandering down the hill out the exit. there was so many armagh fans left with heads in hands. i ve never seen fans so upset before or since. they probably though there chance was gone and it showed when you won the final how much it meant to win. i dont think your blanket defence is as near defensive as tyrones either although you get a lot of stick for it. hard luck again mack.
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Post by surfdude62 on Aug 9, 2006 13:46:20 GMT
Yes buck02 I can't wait to hear what they say either!They were full sure that the two ulster teams would get through very easily but it will be interesting to hear what they think of not having an ulster team in the last 4!I was delighted to see cork getting through as well by the way!Martin Mchugh in the star had a big heading saying"Kerry would not beat the blues".Stinks of sour grapes if you ask me!
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 9, 2006 13:47:43 GMT
Maybe he has a point.....Dublin aren't that bad you know apart from a dodgy full back line and a half forward line which can disappear from view every now and then.
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Post by surfdude62 on Aug 9, 2006 13:53:55 GMT
Oh ya i'm not suggesting Kerry would beat da dubs or even Cork at the moment but you would have thought he would have said something positive about Kerry's performance against Armagh but I guess that was too hard for him to fathom?Anyway its good to see that da dubs are getting the most attention!We can sneak our way into the final!Shhhh!!!
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Post by homerj on Aug 9, 2006 15:03:46 GMT
ya, that mchugh article was full of total rubbish, he also said that the dublin forwards were better than armaghs. and that the kerry performance, which many state as the finest display by any team in a few years, was not good enough to beat dublin.
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 9, 2006 15:13:44 GMT
To be honest no one from kerry needs to read an article to justify how good that performance was.That performance was good enough to win any match in any era. Never felt more proud as a kerryman as on last saturday
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Aug 9, 2006 15:55:04 GMT
Well everyone I've finally calmed down enough to be able to sit still. The best day since Pairc Mhic Gearailt in June 1991, and that was the best day ever. Greatest perfoemance, I feel, since the Kildare/Galway/Cork trio in 2002. Here's my two cents' worth:
Anyone see the Tribune on Sunday? Apparently Bellew was "just shaded" by Donaghy in that particular battle, and in fact was on top in the first half! I was down that end in the bottom seats of Ardan Ui Chiosoig, and the seagulls could have surmised that Bellew was a condemned man once his luck ran out. He made one superb fetch alright, but the ball just wouldn't fall right for Donaghy, and despite that he wsa making at least silage...until the 39th minute. Upon reading the player ratings, something struck me as fishy (Geezer getting 7/10 aside - sorry BM, but was he on in the second half?). I totted up the amounts for both teams and doubled up laughing - Armagh 105, Kerry 103. That other turgid O Reilly rag the Indo the following day gave the nod to Kerry 99 to 98. I know eight points is a bit flattering, but for Jaysus's sake... Re the cheering of passes surely a very stupid idea. The first I ever heard of this was at the Guernica semi-final in 2001. I remember sitting there thinking "You may rue this yet flatlanders", but even I didn't expect that three weeks later I'd be cheering along with the Galway fans for the last five minutes as just desserts were served (NB: While I strongly condemn the routine cheering of passes by any supporters when their team is coasting, I wish to point out that Meath don't count 'cos I f**king hate them more than life itself). I hope we don't regret this against Cork. Speaking of which, I hate to be a party pooper but we're getting fierce carried away on this website at least. There's no guarantee against them shaggers. We've played one good (okay, sublime) game after a series of poor performances and we could easily slip back into the groove. Even I don't believe what I'm writing, and I'm trying to convince myself as much as anyone, but I have to write it, don'tcha know? How was Gooch so much superior to MFR on Saturday? Both were passable, I thought, but there seems to be a lot more allowance made for the Killarney lad. Some of the wides kicked by MFR were from extremely difficult positions, one kicked over his head. I agree that his free taking is terrible, but his general play is improving, which is an indication that confidence is a major issue. I think he should start against Cork, and if we make the final, I think he could surprise people. I still fancy Dublin for the title- I said it in May (no, not on the forum, in my head) and I'll stick with it. They're like a team on a mission. Finally - how lucky can you get? An misplaced pass with three minutes left that falls to the fastest forward seen since Mexico had that mouse!
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Post by kerrywoman on Aug 9, 2006 15:57:02 GMT
Oh What a Sight oh what a scene kerry KTFB-that is kick the f..ing ball. It was a joy to watch no complaints. nothing shud change MFR good enough if he finds his shooting boots. Donaghy keep the head boy dont let them get to you-remember the great Maurice in Thurles- Roll on The Rebels we owe ye won
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Post by noreenos on Aug 9, 2006 19:25:23 GMT
Antsuilleabhanach hello there.
I enjoyed reading your colourful message, I miss the bit of foul language over here! It adds flavour to your message.
I can't agree with your opinion about the All Ireland. You wrote that 'we played one good game after a series of poor performances and we could easily slip back into the groove'. These are not carpenters or tradesmen that we are describing here man. Certainly, we could argue on here about the good and the not so good games. The fact is that Kerry played last Saturday some fantastic football. Kerry looked to me like they were on a crusade and not a mission. At this point in the Championchip, the only way that team is going is forward not backwards!
We have to show our support and have more confidence in the team now that they are hot hot hot. As regards Cooper and Gooch, they will rattle the net shortly-have lots more confidence and hope in them.
Amen
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Post by kerryman on Aug 11, 2006 10:22:08 GMT
Antsuilleabhanach hello there. I enjoyed reading your colourful message, I miss the bit of foul language over here! It adds flavour to your message. I can't agree with your opinion about the All Ireland. You wrote that 'we played one good game after a series of poor performances and we could easily slip back into the groove'. These are not carpenters or tradesmen that we are describing here man. Certainly, we could argue on here about the good and the not so good games. The fact is that Kerry played last Saturday some fantastic football. Kerry looked to me like they were on a crusade and not a mission. At this point in the Championchip, the only way that team is going is forward not backwards! We have to show our support and have more confidence in the team now that they are hot hot hot. As regards Cooper and Gooch, they will rattle the net shortly-have lots more confidence and hope in them. Amen Thats all well and good but remember 2001, 2002 in particular when we were the team to beat and we were pouring overconfidence on our cereal for breakfast. Its all well and good to say "the lads will be ready for Cork no matter what", but all this talk of a guaranteed win can guarantee only one thing. Losing.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2006 10:34:14 GMT
So did anybody see the Championship. They didnt surprise us anyway. Burns singled out Kerrys cynicism as a big feature of the game - picked out Galvin coming in late on McGrane and later McGeeney and then the incident with Toal. Never mentioned the fact the Toal hit him or was firing water at him! Big close up of poor ol Geezers swollen eye. No sign of Galvins black eye!
Mini me next to him (McHugh) just said the system was flawed cos the provencial winners dont get a 2nd chance. Dont remember him making that point last year when Tyrone beat the Dubs in the 1/4 final.
On a more serious note though I dont think Donaghy should have been allowed to do an interview when he was on such a high after the match. They should have sent out somebody with a bit more experience and composure to answer the questions fired at him. I'm sure that clip will be used by any teams we face from now until god knows when.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 11, 2006 11:05:05 GMT
just on Donaghy's interview..I think he came across well.....presented the case inrelation to Hearty/Bellew/Donaghy debacle/tangle very well and he was suitably humble (i felt) about it all?
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 11, 2006 11:20:38 GMT
just on Donaghy's interview..I think he came across well.....presented the case inrelation to Hearty/Bellew/Donaghy debacle/tangle very well and he was suitably humble (i felt) about it all? i agree,i thought he did quite well also.
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Post by smellUlater on Aug 11, 2006 11:58:38 GMT
In fairness you can't blame them up there going on about Galvin. He did some awful off the ball stuff the last day. Jumping into Mcgeeney off the ball which is caught on tv was fairly bad. were still going on about Gooch get bitten and his eye poked which was downright thuggery but on the same time we can't blame them looking at Galvin as the villian. He worked like a trojan against armagh but he is playing an awful dangerous game at the moment with his indiscipline
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Post by tyroneperson on Aug 11, 2006 12:07:53 GMT
I dont mind Galvin, I think he's a good player, he just seems to lose the head while easy. It's hard to know what goes on, if he's goaded like crazy, I dont know, he needs to handle it a bit better regardless.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2006 12:08:18 GMT
Re the interview I feel that a response along the lines of "sure these things happen in the heat of the moment, theres no hard feelings etc" would have been more suitable than the full explanation we got.
I take the point about Galvin but Martin O Rourke's behavious was just as bad but nothing was said about it anyway. The highlighting of Galvins incidents wont help him in the next game thats for sure. Lynch will be winding him up to the last no doubt.
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Post by Owenabue on Aug 11, 2006 12:12:51 GMT
Re the interview I feel that a response along the lines of "sure these things happen in the heat of the moment, theres no hard feelings etc" would have been more suitable than the full explanation we got. I take the point about Galvin but Martin O Rourke's behavious was just as bad but nothing was said about it anyway. The highlighting of Galvins incidents wont help him in the next game thats for sure. Lynch will be winding him up to the last no doubt. Lynch doesn't play that kind of game.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 11, 2006 12:21:33 GMT
ya,its a tough game nowadays,surely armagh didnt expect us to lie down and role over either though,personally i was delighted with the way kerry met the northern challenge head on and got stuck into them,thats what we lacked in '02 and 03 and to a certain degree last year v tyrone,weve showed them too much repect in the past and had them on pedistals,we had to adapt our game to meet them head on.
Galvin and donaghy bring a bit of cutting edge to our attack,thats needed now in the modern game,i think if you took the bit of the devil out of galvin you would be loosing something.He has being poor this year so far and last year,he needed to up the anti big time for the armagh game and did so,its a fine line,but dont tell me there's fifteen angels playing on the armagh team.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2006 13:05:02 GMT
Re the interview I feel that a response along the lines of "sure these things happen in the heat of the moment, theres no hard feelings etc" would have been more suitable than the full explanation we got. I take the point about Galvin but Martin O Rourke's behavious was just as bad but nothing was said about it anyway. The highlighting of Galvins incidents wont help him in the next game thats for sure. Lynch will be winding him up to the last no doubt. Lynch doesn't play that kind of game. I have to withdraw those comments about Lynch. Frank Murphy just called to work looking for me with a bunch or burly men.
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