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Post by Mickmack on Jul 29, 2006 18:32:10 GMT
Let the fun begin..........
Midfield will be the key.........if we can get a foothold here and leave Donaghey at full forward.........we are in with a shout....
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 29, 2006 18:38:08 GMT
I agree Mickmack - If we can win enough ball around the middle , pump it in to the lads , this will keep Armagh full back line honest.
As per my post on another thread, I would favour making some alterations to the backline.
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Post by bannerman on Jul 29, 2006 19:33:13 GMT
Big difference between jumping for a ball with an inexperienced under 21 player and jumping for a ball with that animal francie bellew who will have his two knees coming out through your chest at every opportunity!!!! My team for the orange boys Murphy Marc mike mac Tom sulli Guiney/mossy aidan Tomas Seamus Dara Darren Brosnan Galvin Gooch Star MFR
Seamus to midfield as his legs are gone so let him mark to other warrior mcgeeney Guiney should have been brought on v tyrone last year as he would have been able to burstt through groups of players and will love the physical confrontation with armagh.
It will be tough but there is no way jack can leave this job without beating either tyrone or armagh if he does his tenure will have been seen as a failure even with an all ireland
Kerry to shade it maybe after a replay
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 29, 2006 21:29:23 GMT
Please God let us beat Armagh. I will never ask for anything again God.
Seamus has lost his pace and needs to be moved or replaced. Not at the races today V Longford...hardly surprising. He has been a great servant for years, but even istabraq eventually slowed down.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 29, 2006 21:43:27 GMT
I have my doubts that we will do the job next weekend. We are not consistent enough and one good showing by our full forward line against Longford is no great pointer. Also our half back line is at sixes and sevens and we rely heavily on Darragh at midfield. The omens are not great.
However IF we can get the ball into our full forward line and IF they can play to their full potential we are in with a shout.
Our bench is also showing signs of strength which gives me great hope particularly if they are used astutely.
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Post by expert05 on Jul 29, 2006 22:55:36 GMT
my team
murphy
Tom Sull mike mc mark
Guiney Moynihan Mahony
Dara Griffin
Tomas O Se Brosnan Galvin
ronan o connor Star Gooch
Armagh will be tough- great goalkeeper,great full back,best half back in Ireland in A.Kernan beside McKeever and i think McGeeney will start at 6. solid midfield,good half forwards in p.mckeever,mcentee,o rourke and mallon and what can you say about their 3 full forwards?! A solid solid team with no real obvious weakness. First of all if we want to win our full back line has to be at their best, half forwards have to work their socks off-i'd play tomas at no 10 to curb kernan . also we cant be too reliant on the gooch because mallon is the best marker in the country maybe bar Barry Owens. It will be very close i reckon and may even go to a replay.
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Post by clancarre on Jul 30, 2006 14:40:53 GMT
What time is the game on and is there any news of trains to Dublin
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Post by dec on Jul 30, 2006 15:08:09 GMT
My team for Sunday would be..
Diarmuid Murphy
Marc ?S? Michael McCarthy Tom O'Sullivan;
Tom? ?S? Eamon Fitzmaurice Aidan O'Mahony ;
Darragh ?S? Seamus Moynihan.
Darren O'Sullivan Eoin Brosnan, Paul Galvin;
Colm Cooper, Kieran Donaghy, Mike Frank Russell
It will be much more difficult for the forwards on Sunday. Not only will the Armagh backs be tighter and tougher but also the ball going in wont have the same quality... They will have to fight damn damn hard..
Hopefully it wont be the same old...story with guys held up in possession and not able to kick the ball in direct and fast.. It will depend on the amount of harrassing and determnation of Armagh id say...
Think switching Moynihan to midfield would be worth a great shot...Griffin didnt do much and Moyno and Mcgeeney would have a great old battle.. Also the midfield will be crowded so much that its not like u need a taller midfielder there.
Also Fitzmaurice's presence is more suited to Armagh. Maybe he could even be midfield??
What a test for Kerry?... Demons to conquer....Form to get right..
Will come down to hunger and attitude I think..
Wont predict anything until later in the week..
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Post by RashersTierney on Jul 30, 2006 15:18:37 GMT
What time is the game on and is there any news of trains to Dublin You need not worry Clan , there IS a train from Kerry to Dublin. Kerry need at least a 25% improvement on yesterday. They could do it. This is make or break for both sides, the end of an era, the stakes are very high. Kerry struggled at mid yesterday, and half-back. Armagh havent been winning alot of possession so far this year. Donaghy wont win nearly as much ball, but if he even sets up a few scores, or just a goal, it could make the difference in a low-scoring game
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Post by kingdomkerry on Jul 30, 2006 18:28:59 GMT
Start the same team that started against longford and we are in with a shout.
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Post by surfdude62 on Aug 1, 2006 11:30:23 GMT
I agree with trying seamo at midfield!Not good enough for the backs anymore and especially in the big open spaces of croke park!I would put Sean O'Sullivan in place of darren as I think Darren is a much better impact sub and we need our big physical players starting!I would play Fitzmaurice at no.6 also!
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Post by ciarrai33 on Aug 1, 2006 11:31:29 GMT
I was dissappointed to see Darren O' Sullivan taken off so early on saturday, but to be honest id prefer to see Sean O' Sullivan starting wing forward against armagh. He impressed me again last saturday when he came on. The speed in which he does everything is fantastic.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 1, 2006 11:38:26 GMT
Playing Moynihan at midfield is not a bad idea at all. He is looking a bit short of pace for the half backs and it would be a sight to see him and geezer going at it. I'd have O'Mahony at centre back though. mossie lyons on the wing.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2006 11:53:33 GMT
Why not swop Mark o Shea and Seamus?
Paidi O Shea and Paudie Lynch moved from the half back line to the full back line as they got older and lost a bit of pace............. Marc could be even better as a half back and Seamus wouldnt be a caught for pace in the corner.............
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Post by ruralgaa on Aug 1, 2006 12:15:23 GMT
Revenge not an issue for Moynihan Seamus Moynihan 01 August 2006
Seamus Moynihan insists that Kerry’s All-Ireland football final defeat to Armagh in 2002 won’t be a factor when the teams meet at Croke Park on Saturday.
“Anytime you lose an All-Ireland final you’d be disappointed but if you look at the team of 2002 this is a totally different side – it’s four years on,” the Kingdom centre back said.
“We have new faces and it’s the same for Armagh. This is 2006 – we’re not looking at a revenge factor.
“We’re back in a quarter-final and we’re looking at this as an opportunity to measure ourselves against the best team in the country.
“Armagh are probably the best team in the country at the minute. They’re probably the more consistent. They’ve won so many Ulster titles and it’s certainly the toughest province.
“It gives us a chance to get up to Croke Park and we love playing there.”
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Post by Dermot on Aug 1, 2006 12:16:52 GMT
Lads, you'll have to play a lot better than you have so far if yez are going to beat Armagh. They are still my favourites for AI. I think they are the only team left who can beat Dublin, (unless Dublin implode in the meantime...which isn't totally unlikely). Kerry will really need to up it an awfull lot to get past Armagh - They were a nightmare to get past last year and I think they are moving along nicely this year, coming into form when they need to be. I just can't see the Kerry forward line getting 1/5 of the space and time they got last week...... You also have to look at the Armagh full forward line - as people often say on here "the team with the best FF line usually wins the AI" - - Armagh have it this year......Mind you, you guys showed a big improvement last week but I still think they wil be too much for yez. But I should interject here with the customary "I could be wrong" statement - I remember being wrong once before about something but I can't remember now what it was I can't wait for this game and it's actually going to be great to be able to watch it as a neutral and not be sitting there with no feckin finger nails left. We have been very lucky over the past couple of years folks and we're just about to see a couple more legends of the game play their last match on Saturday...no matter who wins. It's sad to see the end of great players but it's great to have been there to see them at all. Roll on Saturday - It's bound to be a corker !
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Post by The Boy on Aug 1, 2006 12:43:47 GMT
team id start on sat.
m o se M Mccarthy T Sullivan
Tom se Moyno a o mahony
t griffin dara
sean sull brosnan galvin
mike frank star gooch.
Moynihan prob needs to be moved out of the half back line though.would agree with a switch to the full back line for him.after all he has plenty of experience here.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 1, 2006 13:10:57 GMT
I think he could certainly do a god job on stevie mcdonald. i wonder is tehre any fallout from tomas os se's petulance on saturday
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Post by Dermot on Aug 1, 2006 13:15:31 GMT
I think he could certainly do a god job on stevie mcdonald. i wonder is tehre any fallout from tomas os se's petulance on saturday What did he do ? BTW - whats the hells wrong with him this year ? If there had been a transfer market this last few years he would have been the first defender on my list for us ......... Whats happened ?
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Post by narrie on Aug 1, 2006 13:36:50 GMT
He stormed off after being subbed. Straight to the showers and was spotted in his car before final whistle was blown. Moyno also didn't look too happy when he was replaced.
Only player I think that can consider himself unlucky to be replaced was Darren O' Sullivan
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Post by ruralgaa on Aug 1, 2006 13:46:58 GMT
i presume this team will be picked after training thursday night?
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Post by kerryman on Aug 1, 2006 13:58:25 GMT
I'd start the same team that started against Longford with Marc on McConville and Aiden O Mahoney on Clarke. That leaves McDonnell for Tom Sullivan. Moynihan was outstanding against Cork so I'd give him another start here.
The forwards can't and won't change. Darren should be on for longer. He WILL win frees against Armagh and possibly cause a few Armagh bookings as well...
Midfield will be some craic with 4 big men in there.
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Post by ruralgaa on Aug 1, 2006 14:04:53 GMT
yeah i can't see the forwards being changed...the only near making his way onto the starting team frm the last day would br sean o'sullivan.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2006 14:58:41 GMT
ya agree it was harsh taking darren off,i couldnt see the point when the team were going well and winning by six or seven points,surely its game time these young players need,i thought sean sull might have slotted well in there with the way the game was going,but it seems joc couldn't wait to get declan back on the pitch,he sould have been taken off again,i dont like the look of is boby language at this moment in time. it seems people are starting to see that seamo hasn't got the legs for centre back,i dont understand why management cant anticipate these things earlier in the year,it was crystal clear against mayo last summer that seamus was stretched once or twice,and very evident v tyrone. i thought donaghy was surberb v longford,i feel he has the potential to become a top notch target man inside,again we saw the the potential of having a ball winner inside,especially if he has an astute footballing brain to distribute the ball efficently.Again i dont understand why this wasn't spotted till the 29 of july,its a long time since 25 september '05. Donaghy presence inside was a massive bonus for mfr and the gooch, both as a decoy and distributor of the ball and provided the platform for the two corner men to flourish.i think both lads are starting to come right and are only a wee mental switch in the head away from becoming deadly as a pair.Both are artists,an artist is no good without a canvas or a piece of wood or stone to shape.Donaghy with all due respects is the donkey to fetch and bring the materials and water to the boys to flouish and put the ball on a plate for them to finish. I thought brosnan was awesome on the forty and it was the first time since the all-ireland final '04 that he really got the bit between his teeth and drove on,he was like thoroughbred race horse driving for line in cheltemham six lenghts clear to claim the gold cup. in that kind of form its hard to argue that he should be any where other than centre forward on the kerry team. Surely these are the four kerry forwards that kerry need to develope and build a five year game plan around up front,leave them in these positions and work with them. The defence is looking a bit creaky,i feel fitzmaurice would really strenghten this department,a lot of damage is being done by not having a big strong physical presence at centre back.I think the six lads that defended brillantly in the final of '04 should be reinstated for the armagh game.this six should be maturing and peaking now as a sextet if they hadn't being broken up last year and this year.This should be their third season playing to gether as a group. Its going to be hard v armagh,the full back line will be put to the pin of their collars and donaghy proberly wont be as effective.i'd expect the senior players on the team to be really riled up for this one,what more motivation do people like dara,tomas and seamus need to pull a win out of croker on saturday. i hope this game isn't coming a week too soon,an extra week to work on the positives of the longford game would be benificial.if we were going to croker on saturday having cultivated a big fullforward and having eamonn at centre back since earlier in the year i would be more positive about winning than being more hopefull. Armagh are around a long time and have often gone to well,they struggled to beat monaghan and fermanagh,maybe their not invincible and are over rated and over hyped.This game is proberly coming two weeks sooner than they had anticipated,this might be a factor. i felt kerry would have beaten armagh in last years final but i wasn't as confident v tyrone because they potentially had more speed in their team.i feel kerry have gone back a bit since last year,i'm not convienced that armagh can top their performnce v tyrone last year this year either. its an intriging battle that lies in store,i'd be very upset if men like dara,tomas,seamus,eamonn when out in a whimper without giving it a real lash,ive a feeling this one could end up in a draw,its got the potential to do so,its tuesday now i'd take a draw at this stage in the week,two games v armagh and a blast at the rebells would set us up for a final shot.I dont think kerry will lose on saturday.
murphy. mike,marc,tom. tomas,eamonn,aidan. dara,tommy. seamus,brosnan,galvin. gooch,donaghy,mike frank.
seamus to play in the middle third picking up breaks in the middle and hoovering around the half back line,i dont think we should go into a game like this without his brillant football brain and massive experience. Galvin would seriously want to up the anti for this one.
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Post by eastciarrai on Aug 1, 2006 15:02:43 GMT
i was close with my team last time i had the right idea.so here it goes again.
D Murphy
T O'Sullivan M Mac A O'Mahony
T O'Se S Moynihan M o'Se
D O'Se Griffin
P Galvin Brosnan S O'Sullivan
C Cooper K Donneghy M F Russell
I still think the two o se's need to be our springboard against the blanket defense. seamus is the big worry his pace is gone and he gets bottled up round 2 or 3 men and loses it. i still think id play although fitzmaurice should get a go if it dont work. Upfront i had brosnan last time as target man but that problems solved so back to his favourite position. sean over darren because seans got experience and darren could be an impact sub. darren got a bit hard done by the last day. he was'nt doing that bad and could have improved in the second half. but maybe jack though that he didnt want to wear him out. francie on donaghty should be donaghtys day. francies big and getting slow so donaghty will outrun and out jump him. goocheys coming round slowly but we'll need him on top form for the rest of the champship. last thing declan o sullivan could still be usefull as a sub although it will be interesting if jack starts declan or bryan.i am looking forward to the clash. come on lads lets kill the ulster jinx.
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Post by kerrystar on Aug 1, 2006 16:14:47 GMT
My team for Saturday:
Murphy
M O'Se McCarthy O'Sullivan
T O'Se Fitzmaurice O'Mahony
D O'Se Griffin
Galvin Brosnan S O'Sullivan
Cooper Donaghy Russell
My gripe with Moynihan is not a case of him having the lost the legs for this position but the fact that he slows things down too much.Too many times he gets on the ball and handpasses the ball backwards or to men in no better position than himself. Can't honestly remember the last time he played a long kickpass. Think Fitzmaurice would be more direct, a good kick passer and would be more direct than Moynihan. Didn't think Tomas was that bad on Saturday he didn't play much ball but his man didn't either. Is that not Rule No.1 for defenders? That's modern football for you
Would start Darren O'Sullivan if it were a team other than Armagh but a physical presence needed in this one and Declan's confidence very low at the minute
Still think we have a reasonable chance both Marc O'Se and Mike McCarthy playing well, Tom O'Sullivan small bit off the pace but capable of improvement. Roll on Cork in semi final!
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Post by TheCritic on Aug 1, 2006 17:30:57 GMT
Firstly: I must say well done to lads on Saturday, they mightn't have been spectacular but they got the job done.
Second: Well done to the Kerry supporters, good turn out, I'd say it was the highest crowd of the four qualifiers.
Third: I nearly cried when I saw Declan O'Sul coming on!!! Two minutes or so to half time, team winning by 6! (I've nothing against DOS, just don't think he's good enough at the moment). I pray Darren gets another chance against Armagh. His speed will be more prevalent against a slower Armagh team.
Fourth: Was very disappointed with Seamus. He was beaten for pace, ran into trouble, slowed the game down and gave away countless possession.
Fifth: Well done to Eoin Bros, 3 goals!!!
Sixth: Donaghy, well what can be said, great game! Don't think he will have it as easy against Bellew though. If he can win a few early frees and if Francie gets booked he may have it easier!
Seventh: I think Kerry have an excellent chance against Armagh. Armagh beat Donegal by 2-3 points only in Croker! Donegal look awful against Fermanagh!!
Eighth: Murphy isn't looking like the invincible man he was last year! Needs to get the kick outs right.
Final: The Team I hope to see on Saturday:
1. Murphy
2. M o Se 3. M McCarthy 4. T Sullivan
5. T O'Se 6. S Moyno 7. A O'Mahony
8. D O'Se 9. T Griffin
10. Darren S 11. E Brosnan 12. P Galvin
13 Gooch 14. Donaghy 15 M F Russell
Kerry to win by 5 points!!! Here's hoping!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 1, 2006 17:48:21 GMT
Kerrygold......... great post even though I lost my place 3 times trying to read it...........................any chance of spacing it out a bit........... some of us are old enough to remember Mick o Connell playing!!
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Post by noreenos on Aug 1, 2006 18:31:42 GMT
Agree with you MickMack, nothing to loose by switching Moynihan and Marc O'Shea. At least someone here agrees with me about Marc.
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