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Post by Original KYFan on Sept 1, 2009 11:15:47 GMT
I strongly agree with keeping Declan closer to goals. He created 2 clear goal chances the last day - one of which was saved by Gooch! Had either gone in the match would have been over as a contest much sooner. Also, I think putting Tadhg on Canty and McCarthy on P O'Neill could be the winning of this match.
Although I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me, there is an argument to starting T Walsh on the bench again. We will need a strong, high-intensity start against Cork and D Walsh is a great man to run the socks off his marker. Bring Tommy on after 30/35 minutes again and he is very likely to cause damage against a slightly tired defense.
My starting forwards would be:
Galvin, Kennelly, D Walsh Gooch, Declan, Darren
A lot will depend on training though, so it is a bit too early to call.
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Post by chrism on Sept 1, 2009 11:16:33 GMT
Don't know about Darren on Miskella. I think people are paying too much attention to Canty , Miskella is as much of a danger and he is so strong. Think Tommy at full might worry Cork alright. Not good in Munster but he was injured. Even suggestions in todays examiner that they may bring Fintan Goold to fullback for any aerial problems. Against Meath we were able to feed good quality ball into Tommy but next day might be a different story. Felt Tyrone outfield players were under pressure getting good ball in in the semi -final. Course the other thing Cork might do is bring in Eoin Cadogan to mark Tommy.
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 1, 2009 11:48:27 GMT
Many ponderables there Mickmack - some good points. I think though you're basing the guts of your opinion on the different roads both teams travelled to get where they are now and that Corks has been tougher. On closer inspection however, has Corks really been that tough? Waterford - facile victory Kerry - underprepared, will be a completely different proposition. Throw in Star for good measure. Limerick - dogged and almost beat them Donegal - facile victory Tyrone - a tired team who didnt show up and lacked their talismanic SC. That said Cork have been the form side, no doubt about it. Kerry will need to run of the breaks and at least 50% possession as you have pointed out. Throw in the pyschological factor, allied to the fact that a lot of these players hate one another and I think you got the makings of a classic. Spot on there JohnnyB, Cork will be scared sh1tless of Kerry on the 20th. In addition Kerry played Antrim the best team in Ulster and bate the aisy. Cork struggled over Tyrone who are finished and the Donegal game dont count. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 12:01:04 GMT
Don't know about Darren on Miskella. I think people are paying too much attention to Canty , Miskella is as much of a danger and he is so strong. Think Tommy at full might worry Cork alright. Not good in Munster but he was injured. Even suggestions in todays examiner that they may bring Fintan Goold to fullback for any aerial problems. Against Meath we were able to feed good quality ball into Tommy but next day might be a different story. Felt Tyrone outfield players were under pressure getting good ball in in the semi -final. Course the other thing Cork might do is bring in Eoin Cadogan to mark Tommy. I don't see Cork accomodating their game plan that much. Shields will take Tommy Walsh and they would be happy with that. Lynch will take Gooch and Carey will be on Declan/Darren.
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 1, 2009 12:16:43 GMT
It appears all agreed support Darren to start??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2009 12:23:15 GMT
It appears all agreed support Darren to start?? I have not decided yet. I thought he finished the game well on Sunday as he could easily have been taken off before Donncha.
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Post by boghopper on Sept 1, 2009 13:32:14 GMT
It appears all agreed support Darren to start?? I have not decided yet. I thought he finished the game well on Sunday as he could easily have been taken off before Donncha. if declan starts in the corner than i think donnacha might just pip darren. alot depends on how they go in training.
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Post by 6 in a row on Sept 1, 2009 13:38:17 GMT
team should be much the same with tommy walsh battling donnacha walsh for the 12 jersey. Tommy wont track back and win the dirty balls at all. Donnacha will graft very hard. He is one of the unsung heros of this team and he doesnt get the credit he deserves.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2009 13:53:57 GMT
Can't see how people are calling for Darren to be possibly dropped. He was outstanding against Dublin and was one our better players in the qualifiers. He took a penalty that a certain somebody else didn't want to and won plenty of ball in very difficult under foot conditions for a player of his style. Cork are one of the fastest teams in the Country and people are seriously suggesting we drop our fastest player. Madness.
The final position, for me, is between Tommy, Donnacha and Tadhg.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2009 13:59:19 GMT
team should be much the same with tommy walsh battling donnacha walsh for the 12 jersey. Tommy wont track back and win the dirty balls at all. Donnacha will graft very hard. He is one of the unsung heros of this team and he doesnt get the credit he deserves. +1
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 1, 2009 13:59:50 GMT
Darragh is 34 and is not superhuman. I cant recall a team winning an All Ireland with a 34 year year old midfielder. Kevin Walsh was 33 or 34 in '01.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 1, 2009 14:29:31 GMT
Darragh is 34 and is not superhuman. I cant recall a team winning an All Ireland with a 34 year year old midfielder. Kevin Walsh was 33 or 34 in '01. Mick O'Connell was 33 when he won his last, in the 80 minute All Ireland.
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Post by homerj on Sept 1, 2009 14:58:37 GMT
this year has shaped up so so nicely.
Written off as we were over the hill. then getting handy draws, poor performances but doing enough to win, predicted to be beaten by Antrim and Dublin, winning both the cooper gate incident, fighting in training, the book, some many bullsh*t rumours, all the injuries.
as ive said before, this would be the sweetest ever all ireland in Kerry if we were to win it.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2009 15:13:57 GMT
It certainly would be the sweetest homer. And this being the 125th Anniversary would add to the victory. Paul Galvin's comments in 2007 can be applied here again, perhaps even more so, given it's the final year of a fantastic decade.
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Post by maineview on Sept 1, 2009 15:42:40 GMT
As opposed to the replayed Munster Final, on September 20th Kerry will have: Paul Galvin for 75 minutes You can't guarantee that........Cork won with 14 men the last day against Tyrone. You telling me Noel O'Leary wouldn't sacrifice his game for the greater good and take aim at Paul from the beginning?? Im convinced that cork will send o'leary out to get both himself and galvin sent off if things are going bad for them, i cant get this notion out of my head. There is bad blood between this pair, i only hope that galvin will rise above the sh*** that o'leary will throw at him and let his better football ability get the better of him.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2009 15:49:46 GMT
Surely Galvin must realise that if O'Leary is acting the magott then he can hardly be contentrating 100% on the game. That gives him an opportunity to take advantage.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 1, 2009 15:58:53 GMT
You can't guarantee that........Cork won with 14 men the last day against Tyrone. You telling me Noel O'Leary wouldn't sacrifice his game for the greater good and take aim at Paul from the beginning?? Im convinced that cork will send o'leary out to get both himself and galvin sent off if things are going bad for them, i cant get this notion out of my head. There is bad blood between this pair, i only hope that galvin will rise above the sh*** that o'leary will throw at him and let his better football ability get the better of him. Nah can't see that happening, its an All Ireland Final, no player or manager would be willing to sacrifice their game in such a way. Both players have reacted very well to their sendings off in the Munster replay, they both deserve the benefit of the doubt. I don't think either of them will want to bring any further shame on themselves.
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Post by maineview on Sept 1, 2009 16:02:11 GMT
Surely Galvin must realise that if O'Leary is acting the magott then he can hardly be contentrating 100% on the game. That gives him an opportunity to take advantage. I hope your right ardfertnarrie, but even though paul seems to have turned a new leaf this season, there is nothing like o'leary's mug in your face to boil your blood and i just think he will go out of his way to rise paul, and try and distract him enough to do the upmost damage. If paul is getting frustrated by him i only hope JOC will take him off before he gets sent off, might sound a bit extreme but we will need all 15 players on the field and playing out of their skins to beat cork.
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Post by maineview on Sept 1, 2009 16:07:03 GMT
Im convinced that cork will send o'leary out to get both himself and galvin sent off if things are going bad for them, i cant get this notion out of my head. There is bad blood between this pair, i only hope that galvin will rise above the sh*** that o'leary will throw at him and let his better football ability get the better of him. Nah can't see that happening, its an All Ireland Final, no player or manager would be willing to sacrifice their game in such a way. Both players have reacted very well to their sendings off in the Munster replay, they both deserve the benefit of the doubt. I don't think either of them will want to bring any further shame on themselves. I really hope your right there. If paul plays to his best ability i think he will be up for player of the year.
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Post by chrism on Sept 1, 2009 16:19:51 GMT
Think they will be no trouble between them. However, O Leary came on as a sub in Killarney and Paul was very quiet after that. That would worry me.
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Post by kerryscoob on Sept 1, 2009 16:20:26 GMT
Im convinced that cork will send o'leary out to get both himself and galvin sent off if things are going bad for them, i cant get this notion out of my head. There is bad blood between this pair, i only hope that galvin will rise above the sh*** that o'leary will throw at him and let his better football ability get the better of him. Nah can't see that happening, its an All Ireland Final, no player or manager would be willing to sacrifice their game in such a way. Both players have reacted very well to their sendings off in the Munster replay, they both deserve the benefit of the doubt. I don't think either of them will want to bring any further shame on themselves. Have to agree!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 1, 2009 16:20:41 GMT
Gerry McEntee was 34 in '88.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 1, 2009 16:56:36 GMT
Marty Duffy is reffing the final, so the two worst refs get the semi final and then the next worse gets the final! My heart has sunk a little but he's not a biased ref, he will pull for tugging in midfield at kickouts which would help us I feel.
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Post by patinkerry on Sept 1, 2009 17:11:10 GMT
I hope he has got a new watch since the Dublin Kildare match
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Post by glengael on Sept 1, 2009 17:19:48 GMT
when was the ref announced ? Did not think it would be until next week when hurling Final is over ?
I agree with chrism re Paul. That worried me in Killarney that day..
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 1, 2009 17:26:31 GMT
Marty Duffy is reffing the final, so the two worst refs get the semi final and then the next worse gets the final! My heart has sunk a little but he's not a biased ref, he will pull for tugging in midfield at kickouts which would help us I feel. Jesus no, not him!
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Post by anlaoch on Sept 1, 2009 17:44:49 GMT
I think Jack was trying to pull a fast one lads. No Tommy or Star and we start lobbing high balls into Dec Sull? C Counihan was in the ground, some of what was on display you feel was distinctly for his benefit. Perfect result for us in that we will be resolute underdogs. Its Corks to lose - we have 3 weeks to take it to another level. Do Cork have another gear to go up? Couldn't agree with you more re Jack giving Counihan the run around.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 1, 2009 18:02:20 GMT
He's not the worst referee by any stretch and always gives a clear berth in midfield.......
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2009 18:38:51 GMT
Duffy is fussy but consistent
Kinneavy is consistent too...... doesnt blow the whistle much and showed cop on with the Marc incident in Tullamore.
Bannon was the only one I didnt want. I didnt trust his motives one bit
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 1, 2009 19:08:02 GMT
I hope he has got a new watch since the Dublin Kildare match Pat McEnaneney did that game. Marty with the short neck did the Wicklow----Kildare match.
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