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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 1, 2009 19:11:39 GMT
Gerry McEntee was 34 in '88. Didn't Meath have another grey haired lad named Soogrue in mid field that day? Think he was about 40, had a great game and covered every inch of grass in Croke Park.
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Post by clarinman on Sept 1, 2009 20:00:07 GMT
Gerry McEntee was 34 in '88. Does that make him the oldest to get sent off in an all-ireland final? We don't want Darragh taking that record off him.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 1, 2009 20:01:06 GMT
Marty Duffy is reffing the final, so the two worst refs get the semi final and then the next worse gets the final! My heart has sunk a little but he's not a biased ref, he will pull for tugging in midfield at kickouts which would help us I feel. He just reminds me of Barry Mc Guigan every time I look at him. I think he is a very fussy, nit picking, finickey little gentleman.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 1, 2009 20:04:04 GMT
Good omen,its not a leinster ref.
Marty is fine auld skin in fairness.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2009 20:07:52 GMT
I think that Marty needs to be told early and often by the Kerry lads that he is doing a fantastic job.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 1, 2009 20:22:58 GMT
Think they will be no trouble between them. However, O Leary came on as a sub in Killarney and Paul was very quiet after that. That would worry me. O'Leary was also getting the better of Paul in the replay as well before they were sent off. Paul is playing much better now though.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 1, 2009 20:36:32 GMT
I think Jack was trying to pull a fast one lads. No Tommy or Star and we start lobbing high balls into Dec Sull? C Counihan was in the ground, some of what was on display you feel was distinctly for his benefit. Perfect result for us in that we will be resolute underdogs. Its Corks to lose - we have 3 weeks to take it to another level. Do Cork have another gear to go up? Couldn't agree with you more re Jack giving Counihan the run around. What? So ye are putting our poor display down to trying to throw Counihan and co? Lads ye are mad! I think we were lobbing high ball into ff line because there were very few options left to the player in possession. Movement off the ball was virtually non existant until Tommy Walsh appeared on the scene. Yet again, he proved that he can cope with the ball played in front of him as well as the high ball.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2009 20:40:10 GMT
Gerry McEntee was 34 in '88. Didn't Meath have another grey haired lad named Soogrue in mid field that day? Think he was about 40, had a great game and covered every inch of grass in Croke Park. mickthebridges This is the first genuinely funny post you have managed to come up with after over 100 attempts. I would like to commend you on your perseverence despite such obvious drawbacks. For someone with no natural wit whatsoever, this achievement is an inspiration to us all. Conor Counihan would be so proud of you. Mick
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 1, 2009 20:42:42 GMT
Couldn't agree with you more re Jack giving Counihan the run around. What? So ye are putting our poor display down to trying to throw Counihan and co? Lads ye are mad! I think we were lobbing high ball into ff line because there were very few options left to the player in possession. Movement off the ball was virtually non existant until Tommy Walsh appeared on the scene. Yet again, he proved that he can cope with the ball played in front of him as well as the high ball. stone mad,we'll be lucky to get within 8 points of Cork.
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Post by veteran on Sept 1, 2009 20:58:08 GMT
After the referees for the S/F's were announced , I posted here that all we needed now was for Mr. Pomposity or Syl Doyle to referee the final. So Mr. Pomposity it is to be. God between us and all harm. Fondly remembered, among other things, for giving a red card to Paul Galvin rather than Mr. O'Leary a few years ago in Killarney. But I suppose the options are minimal.
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Post by anlaoch on Sept 1, 2009 20:58:46 GMT
Couldn't agree with you more re Jack giving Counihan the run around.[/quote What? So ye are putting our poor display down to trying to throw Counihan and co? Lads ye are mad! I think we were lobbing high ball into ff line because there were very few options left to the player in possession. Movement off the ball was virtually non existant until Tommy Walsh appeared on the scene. Yet again, he proved that he can cope with the ball played in front of him as well as the high ball. Sticking by my conspiracy theory Misteallaigh.Jack and the lads gave nothing away yeaterday.Counihan headed back on the train scratchin his head
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Post by fritz on Sept 1, 2009 22:02:02 GMT
Not wishing to sound holier than thou but Cork did plenty of what could be termed 'tactical' fouling against Tyrone.
A fussy ref could destroy any flow to the game on September.
I repeat that kick outs are crucial. Quirke has impressed me hugely in this regard. His accurate delivery has been a vital platform for Cork this year, often achieving this with little scope for error when he kicks to the wings.
It's probably fair to assume he will be kicking the ball out over 20 times on September 20th. We can't afford to give Cork that platform.
On our side we need to think smart also. Cork stopped Tyrone taking short kick outs in the semi. This was crucial in my view.
I'd like to think Jack is thinking of trying to find some possible mis matches in our kick-outs such as bringing Kieran or Tommy (if either starts) onto someone like Miskella.
Tommy was brought out for Kildare kick outs in the U21 final in 2008 and this caused havoc. Something creative along those lines could make a big difference in a game in which small things could decide the outcome.
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Post by mickthebridges on Sept 1, 2009 23:25:36 GMT
Didn't Meath have another grey haired lad named Soogrue in mid field that day? Think he was about 40, had a great game and covered every inch of grass in Croke Park. mickthebridges This is the first genuinely funny post you have managed to come up with after over 100 attempts. I would like to commend you on your perseverence despite such obvious drawbacks. For someone with no natural wit whatsoever, this achievement is an inspiration to us all. Conor Counihan would be so proud of you. Mick U cant bate a bit of crack eh? Mick
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Post by mozzy on Sept 2, 2009 1:44:41 GMT
Some basic questions lads
Are we capable of beating Cork?
If not why not?
And if so why so because? (as one might say at home)
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2009 6:50:14 GMT
Gerry McEntee was 34 in '88. His only contribution over two games was to give Cahalane a box into the head for which was was sent off. Colm O Rourke explained later that they decided to foul Cork persistently. Some one had to take the free from the ground so it was 14 a side then. Meath put men behind the ball and held on till 10 minutes from the end when Bernard Flynn cut loose and Meath won by a point. I was on the Hill that day with the Meath supporters....... a surreal experience.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2009 6:53:01 GMT
Not wishing to sound holier than thou but Cork did plenty of what could be termed 'tactical' fouling against Tyrone. A fussy ref could destroy any flow to the game on September. I repeat that kick outs are crucial. Quirke has impressed me hugely in this regard. His accurate delivery has been a vital platform for Cork this year, often achieving this with little scope for error when he kicks to the wings. It's probably fair to assume he will be kicking the ball out over 20 times on September 20th. We can't afford to give Cork that platform. On our side we need to think smart also. Cork stopped Tyrone taking short kick outs in the semi. This was crucial in my view. I'd like to think Jack is thinking of trying to find some possible mis matches in our kick-outs such as bringing Kieran or Tommy (if either starts) onto someone like Miskella. Tommy was brought out for Kildare kick outs in the U21 final in 2008 and this caused havoc. Something creative along those lines could make a big difference in a game in which small things could decide the outcome. I hope Jack reads your posts.....
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2009 6:58:51 GMT
Some basic questions lads Are we capable of beating Cork? If not why not? And if so why so because? (as one might say at home) Yes we are capable if we get enough possession from restarts. The game will be restarted about 50 times. We will need 50% of those. Quirke is doing what the Cork hurling keeper started about 5 years ago.....when he turned puckouts into an art form and a game breaking ploy. Codys whole tactical strategy in 2006 was to nullify the effect of his puckouts. Having said all of that I wouldnt go overboard about tactics. We should concentrate on playing to our own strengths ......provided we have a plan for winning our share of possession from restarts.
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Post by chrism on Sept 2, 2009 9:12:23 GMT
Could see Kieran or Tommy chasing JOhn Miskella all day. Poor Brian Dooher went off in the 2nd half totally worn out. Regarding kickouts Cork were winning not only Quirke's kickout but also Tyrone Kickouts. Even some of the short Tyrone kicks were won by Cork.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 2, 2009 10:47:15 GMT
Cork water carriers were also running across the 21 just before the Tyrone kickouts once they were down to 14 men. It was obviously a tactic to distract the Tyrone players and make it appear that there was less space.
Anyone else hear about all the Kerry players who parked their cars in Mallow train station for the Meath game getting clamped? More fire in their bellies for the final hopefully.
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Sept 2, 2009 11:34:19 GMT
Yeah I heard that too Jo. Disgraceful
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Post by glengael on Sept 2, 2009 11:45:16 GMT
Why was is disgraceful ? As far as I know, it is pay parking at Mallow station and has been for some time now and if there is no ticket , you are clamped. Don't know the story from Sunday. were people clamped who had paid or what ?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 2, 2009 11:52:55 GMT
Surprising that they didn't cop that all the mercs and rangerovers might belong to the kerry panel!
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 2, 2009 14:13:33 GMT
Could see Kieran or Tommy chasing JOhn Miskella all day. Poor Brian Dooher went off in the 2nd half totally worn out. Regarding kickouts Cork were winning not only Quirke's kickout but also Tyrone Kickouts. Even some of the short Tyrone kicks were won by Cork. Can't see either of them doing that job in fairness, don't think they are that type of player. In the Dublin game Tommy either fouled his man or just didn't track back. Donaghy wont have the fitness levels. Darran O Sullivan might put a halt to his gallop though? Stick him on the backfoot form the start. Dooher was hampered by injuries all year and didn't have the fitness levels for Croke Park. I think Jack & co will definately focus on the kick outs, they did a great job on nullifying Cluxton's kicks, a major platform for the Dublin attack in the quarter final. Expect a huge effort from the Kerry players on the 20th on every Cork kick out.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2009 14:58:24 GMT
Out of the two managers, who do ye think will have more material to study in terms of what the other team will likely do. Yes, we did certainly show our hand to a certain extent against Dublin, but the other games would leave you scratching your head. Whereas Cork pretty much went all out against Donegal and Tyrone. Thats not to suggest that Counihan doesn't have one or two cards to play, but I think we may have more.
Then again, perhaps strategy is over rated. Lets hope the lads just 'cut loose'.
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Post by chrism on Sept 2, 2009 15:22:29 GMT
Must say I was convinced that Mickey Harte would come up with some master plan to defeat Cork but it was the other way around. Counihan was quoted during the summer as saying that this year they were just going to focus on their own performance and not worry about anybody else. Having said that he did switch Anthony Lynch on Stephen O Neill . Would think he would be looking at the long ball that Kerry played against Meath in the 2nd half . Some People think he may bring in Eoin Cadogan if we go down that route.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 2, 2009 15:32:44 GMT
Think Counihan will try and prevent the delivery.
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Post by anlaoch on Sept 2, 2009 15:42:39 GMT
Anybody hear about some of the Kerry players cars being clamped in Mallow train station on Sunday??? Just caught it on Newstalk this morning. Did I hear correctly??? Clamped and a €120 fine. Funny out, but I'd be fairly sure the boys weren't laughin.....
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Post by chrism on Sept 2, 2009 15:44:30 GMT
Ye could be right there. Tyrone players were under fierce pressure when they kicked and as a result the quality of ball going in was very poor. When they tried to run at them then they more often than not turned them over and you had the likes Murphy and O Leary getting the ball.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 2, 2009 15:44:37 GMT
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Post by chrism on Sept 2, 2009 15:46:05 GMT
Ye and it was lashing rain and they had to wait for over an hour. Ian Dempsey said the Cork Kerry fun was starting already
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