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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 18:52:00 GMT
1 on 1 with Con O Callaghan in his prime Jeez is that it ? I doubt there’s any defender in the championship that could have dealt with Con in his prime and he’s still going well I think Paul Murphy is a very genuine player I wish we had a few more like him I think we ll have to fasten the seat belts for this game could be a rough trip Saturday s game lineup was copperfastened Sometime around three months ago when We had Barry Dan totally outplaying his partner yet still getting The curly finger in order to restore the Na Gael partnership Of Barry and O Connor I hope it all works out on Saturday but I cannot see that partnership getting the job done on all recent and not so recent evidence David cannot keep bailing us out In the national rankings our 8 and 9 would not make the first 10 not even close No way trying to be cynical but come on now we can do better Yesh, That's some bit of underwhelming evidence. This is the same Con O'Callaghan who destroyed many other defenders including a prime Lee Keegan. I guess all that was said about Murohy must hold true for Keegan also. Paul is a fine player with many excellent attributes who gives his all. There's other examples of picking up fellas with physical mismatches that didn't suit him that I could have referenced however I didn't bother. That's not his fault its management's fault for leaving him either isolated or in the wrong position. For me he's an impact sub at this point but given the injuries I see why he's in there. Again as Horse said earlier I am not disrespecting thd lad as a fella of similar stature I know all too well the challenges.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 2, 2023 21:39:08 GMT
Any one else having issue with Ticketmaster? All day get an error 'could not connect' when I hit pay.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 3, 2023 8:57:36 GMT
Christ it's been an early start for this one, half 7 on a bank holiday Saturday and only in Dublin yet.
Anyway see ye in PUC, An Riocht Abu!!!
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 3, 2023 12:39:13 GMT
Cork Con is open, saw on social media during week.. tenner parking. T12 N209 Apologies lads, I don't know what the story here is, grounds not open as normal...
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 3, 2023 12:39:44 GMT
Cork Con is open, saw on social media during week.. tenner parking. T12 N209 Apologies lads, I don't know what the story here is, grounds not open as normal... Anyone know the story?
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 3, 2023 15:41:07 GMT
Won the game but atrocious stuff to be watching
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 3, 2023 15:42:59 GMT
Well what to say about that, Kerry didn't look any better than 2 weeks ago in my opinion. Especially in the 2nd half. The only difference was we were playing a lesser opposition which meant it was just about enough to see us win. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see Kerry being anywhere close to getting Sam back this year. Our form from January until now has been poor at best. It doesn't look like any progress has been made either. Worrying times
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 3, 2023 16:32:47 GMT
Another underwhelming display. I'm hoping it's because they're looking at the knockout stage before really getting going. A bit like 2009 when it was from the quarter finals Kerry hit form.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 3, 2023 16:32:50 GMT
What do you say,
Just on the train home and honestly that wouldn't change my view that we are just not at the races this year.
The main positive was Seanie was brilliant in that first half.
Apart from that that's about it.
The penalty was shocking and you'd feel rightly aggrieved if you were a Cork man.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 3, 2023 16:39:45 GMT
What do you say, Just on the train home and honestly that wouldn't change my view that we are just not at the races this year. The main positive was Seanie was brilliant in that first half. Apart from that that's about it. The penalty was shocking and you'd feel rightly aggrieved if you were a Cork man. Edit - I assume the penalty was a foul preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity because he was outside the square.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Jun 3, 2023 16:52:07 GMT
We are big trouble. Most worrying thing is a lack of leaders. Moran gone is monumental. We are like a team that never played together before. Too much on Clifford’s shoulders. This was lessoned years gone by with Moran’s influence, Seanie at his best, prime geaney and obrien. We could Struggle against mickey harte’s Louth.. if we have any hope, we need to get brian Begley and Stephen o brien back on to the team ASAP, killian Spillane too.. I like ruairi Murphy but he’ll need another 1/2 years, also needs to play on the LHF line as he is a silky baller. Just needs more penetrating speedy runs and strength. Midfield won’t be resolved until Rob monahan gets into panel.
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Post by shannonsider on Jun 3, 2023 17:07:20 GMT
Not good lads, not good at all. A lot of passengers there again today. Just very flat and not very confident looking outside of a few good spells in first half. The second half, Cork were much better team. They failed to get promoted in Div 2, so it doesn't say much for us.
Management way too slow to change things again - 60th minute is too late. That's a big problem aswell I feel. We'll probably beat Louth but beyond that barring massive improvement we're going to be in bother it looks like.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 3, 2023 17:24:23 GMT
Well the weather was great!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 3, 2023 17:24:54 GMT
Just on the way home on the bus. Christ, that was cat. Seanie and Graham after that first 20 looked like they were running in quicksand. Half forward line poor again. Thought Dara M was pretty poor again.
Midfield was a wasteland. When we made cork go long after the black card we couldn't win it anyway. When the game was on the line it was one of the smallest men O'Brien that made the catch.
Whatever about defensive systems etc from the half way line in the upper south stand it looked like cork were just fitter and faster. Apart from our few greyhounds like Tom and Gavin were were very one paced. I don't think we will see R Murphy again this year. Seems a year or 2 too early. Shows our complete lack of options tho.
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Post by hatchetman on Jun 3, 2023 17:30:24 GMT
Edit - I assume the penalty was a foul preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity because he was outside the square. Is this a recent rule change? How far outside the box can you be to get a penalty in this situation?
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Post by dc84 on Jun 3, 2023 17:34:16 GMT
Edit - I assume the penalty was a foul preventing a clear goal scoring opportunity because he was outside the square. Is this a recent rule change? How far outside the box can you be to get a penalty in this situation? 2021 i believe its inside 21 yard line Motion 20 stipulated both the award of a penalty and a sin binning when a player deprives an opponent of a goal-scoring opportunity by committing either a black-card foul in football, which already carries a sin bin sanction, or in hurling one of three specified infractions. It would be trialled in this year’s intercounty season.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 3, 2023 17:38:36 GMT
Thank you once again David Clifford.
Firstly, David Gough clearly balanced his ledger for Kerry today. Cork was definitely the better team in the second half and should have won. They lost because of poor shooting firstly, this is their own fault, and they lost because of poor decision making on part of the officials (Cork had enough chances to win to not leave it in the control of the officials). Dara Moynihan should have seen a black card at least, and my own personal view is you catch someone up around the neck/head area it should be straight red.
It’s quite clear on all shown evidence this current Kerry squad, and it is a squad game, does not appear equipped to retain the All Ireland.
David Clifford was our main man but Kerry’s knowhow and keep ball in the end helped them stumble over the line too. The team looks mentally washed after three hard years reaching the summit, and we clearly have not unearthed enough new resources to rejuvenate this team. Really, it's all been said over the past two weeks - the writing is on the wall for 2023.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 3, 2023 18:05:18 GMT
Is this a recent rule change? How far outside the box can you be to get a penalty in this situation? 2021 i believe its inside 21 yard line Motion 20 stipulated both the award of a penalty and a sin binning when a player deprives an opponent of a goal-scoring opportunity by committing either a black-card foul in football, which already carries a sin bin sanction, or in hurling one of three specified infractions. It would be trialled in this year’s intercounty season. We lost a minor all Ireland to Derry a few years ago to a similar decision- foul inside the 21, denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity, penalty.
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Post by southward on Jun 3, 2023 18:06:23 GMT
Thank you once again David Clifford. Firstly, David Gough clearly balanced his ledger for Kerry today. Cork was definitely the better team in the second half and should have won. They lost because of poor shooting firstly, this is their own fault, and they lost because of poor decision making on part of the officials (Cork had enough chances to win to not leave it in the control of the officials). Dara Moynihan should have seen a black card at least, and my own personal view is you catch someone up around the neck/head area it should be straight red. It’s quite clear on all shown evidence this current Kerry squad, and it is a squad game, does not appear equipped to retain the All Ireland. David Clifford was our main man but Kerry’s knowhow and keep ball in the end helped them stumble over the line too. The team looks mentally washed after three hard years reaching the summit, and we clearly have not unearthed enough new resources to rejuvenate this team. Really, it's all been said over the past two weeks - the writing is on the wall for 2023. Can't agree re the officials favouring Kerry. Penalty aside, I thought they gave Cork everything today. For starters, they got a good few soft frees for some handy points. The baldy fella (O'Driscoll?) blatantly handled on the ground leading up to another Cork score. These were moments that kept Cork in it and kept them interested. On another occasion, a Cork man carried the ball over the sideline only to be awarded a bizarre phantom free. On the subject of cards, red for clothesline job, yes, but no way was Moynihan's in that category; he pulled the hand away from what I saw. Powter got away scot-free with a nasty enough late hit on Shane Ryan minutes before his pulldown of Geaney. Had he been booked then, which he should have been, he would have seen red along with the black card. By contrast, SOS got carded for f*ck-all in the first half. The penalty was the right call; Geaney was set to bury that.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 3, 2023 18:07:39 GMT
Just on the way home on the bus. Christ, that was cat. Seanie and Graham after that first 20 looked like they were running in quicksand. Half forward line poor again. Thought Dara M was pretty poor again. Midfield was a wasteland. When we made cork go long after the black card we couldn't win it anyway. When the game was on the line it was one of the smallest men O'Brien that made the catch. Whatever about defensive systems etc from the half way line in the upper south stand it looked like cork were just fitter and faster. Apart from our few greyhounds like Tom and Gavin were were very one paced. I don't think we will see R Murphy again this year. Seems a year or 2 too early. Shows our complete lack of options tho. Briain & O’Brien were two of our best players last year - their absence is a huge factor. We look tired - hopefully we can up matters for the next few games but more hope than confidence!
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Post by southward on Jun 3, 2023 18:17:00 GMT
2021 i believe its inside 21 yard line Motion 20 stipulated both the award of a penalty and a sin binning when a player deprives an opponent of a goal-scoring opportunity by committing either a black-card foul in football, which already carries a sin bin sanction, or in hurling one of three specified infractions. It would be trialled in this year’s intercounty season. We lost a minor all Ireland to Derry a few years ago to a similar decision- foul inside the 21, denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity, penalty. Wasn't there here a hurling game a couple of years back where a penalty was given (to Limerick?) for a foul out around the sideline?
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Post by dc84 on Jun 3, 2023 18:29:35 GMT
We lost a minor all Ireland to Derry a few years ago to a similar decision- foul inside the 21, denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity, penalty. Wasn't there here a hurling game a couple of years back where a penalty was given (to Limerick?) for a foul out around the sideline? Yes the hurling rule that time was anywhere inside 21 which is ludicrous in fairness geaney today was 100 pc correct call
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 3, 2023 18:39:02 GMT
Thank you once again David Clifford. Firstly, David Gough clearly balanced his ledger for Kerry today. Cork was definitely the better team in the second half and should have won. They lost because of poor shooting firstly, this is their own fault, and they lost because of poor decision making on part of the officials (Cork had enough chances to win to not leave it in the control of the officials). Dara Moynihan should have seen a black card at least, and my own personal view is you catch someone up around the neck/head area it should be straight red. It’s quite clear on all shown evidence this current Kerry squad, and it is a squad game, does not appear equipped to retain the All Ireland. David Clifford was our main man but Kerry’s knowhow and keep ball in the end helped them stumble over the line too. The team looks mentally washed after three hard years reaching the summit, and we clearly have not unearthed enough new resources to rejuvenate this team. Really, it's all been said over the past two weeks - the writing is on the wall for 2023. Think you’ve hit on something there, mentally we don’t appear to be at the races and haven’t been all year. The lads were absolutely flogged last year and they managed to reach the summit. From the Mc Grath Cup, to the League, the Munster Championship and then Sam Maguire, the same players were sent to the well again and again. Forward on to the Club championships and this years league and Munster Championship, it’s the same players and the tiredness and lack of energy is really showing. These lads have had very little break and are expected to be on top of their game again? They’re only human, not superhuman, David Clifford excepted. It’s asking a lot to put Titles back to back, you need to have a seriously strong panel. Paul Geaney still holding his spot shows our lack of depth, being realistic, an All Ireland seems very far from reach at this stage.
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Post by hurlingman on Jun 3, 2023 19:03:18 GMT
Not good lads, not good at all. A lot of passengers there again today. Just very flat and not very confident looking outside of a few good spells in first half. The second half, Cork were much better team. They failed to get promoted in Div 2, so it doesn't say much for us. Management way too slow to change things again - 60th minute is too late. That's a big problem aswell I feel. We'll probably beat Louth but beyond that barring massive improvement we're going to be in bother it looks like. Agreed with management and changes. An issue also is when changes are made It's the same fellas. Barry Dan played in most if not all the league yet now isn't getting any time. Micheal Burns on the other hand is still getting game time despite having shown very little. Lads like Ronan Buckley and Barry Mahony were brought in and never used at all.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 3, 2023 19:15:16 GMT
An improved performance today in some sectors, but overall a game we could have lost so easily, we definitely tired in the home straight, I would be in favour of resting a few against Louth, try finishing strong for a change. I am scratching my head after todays game, we look tired, very tired, we also missing some leaders, the management also are slow to back their bench. The game today was pretty poor especially the first half, two defensive systems, was not great to watch, a more competitive second half. We still have the same questions after the mayo game unanswered, the only answer we got, was SoS regaining some form. I was definitely concerned with how an injection of pace by cork today opened us up. Any ways into next round, and hopefully another improvement against Louth.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jun 3, 2023 19:42:04 GMT
Thank you once again David Clifford. Firstly, David Gough clearly balanced his ledger for Kerry today. Cork was definitely the better team in the second half and should have won. They lost because of poor shooting firstly, this is their own fault, and they lost because of poor decision making on part of the officials (Cork had enough chances to win to not leave it in the control of the officials). Dara Moynihan should have seen a black card at least, and my own personal view is you catch someone up around the neck/head area it should be straight red. It’s quite clear on all shown evidence this current Kerry squad, and it is a squad game, does not appear equipped to retain the All Ireland. David Clifford was our main man but Kerry’s knowhow and keep ball in the end helped them stumble over the line too. The team looks mentally washed after three hard years reaching the summit, and we clearly have not unearthed enough new resources to rejuvenate this team. Really, it's all been said over the past two weeks - the writing is on the wall for 2023. Can't agree re the officials favouring Kerry. Penalty aside, I thought they gave Cork everything today. For starters, they got a good few soft frees for some handy points. The baldy fella (O'Driscoll?) blatantly handled on the ground leading up to another Cork score. These were moments that kept Cork in it and kept them interested. On another occasion, a Cork man carried the ball over the sideline only to be awarded a bizarre phantom free. On the subject of cards, red for clothesline job, yes, but no way was Moynihan's in that category; he pulled the hand away from what I saw. Powter got away scot-free with a nasty enough late hit on Shane Ryan minutes before his pulldown of Geaney. Had he been booked then, which he should have been, he would have seen red along with the black card. By contrast, SOS got carded for f*ck-all in the first half. The penalty was the right call; Geaney was set to bury that. Gough gave no favours to Kerry today. For the penalty he initially gave a free in and his umpires had to explain the rules to him. Gough missed a kickout that didn't travel past the line and somehow gave an incorrect call although he gave the correct call earlier in the week when he hung his colleague out to dry in his #askGoughie tweets. Attacker outside the D running in to collect a poor kickout inside the D. The clear pickup off the ground, another time overruling his linesman who gave a Kerry lineball that was somehow later a Cork free. I'd have a question on why at least 5 frees given resulting in scored frees were given. The lack of punishment on the cleaning out of our goalkeeper. Just because the narrative is a penalty given for a foul outside the penalty area is wrong (even though it correctly met the criteria of a goal scoring opportunity) doesn't mean that Gough saved Kerry. He didn't. We survived the David Gough show today and he reffed atrociously
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Post by homerj on Jun 3, 2023 19:45:34 GMT
What's our likely path going forward if we were to beat Louth?
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Post by peanuts on Jun 3, 2023 19:49:13 GMT
Thank you once again David Clifford. Firstly, David Gough clearly balanced his ledger for Kerry today. Cork was definitely the better team in the second half and should have won. They lost because of poor shooting firstly, this is their own fault, and they lost because of poor decision making on part of the officials (Cork had enough chances to win to not leave it in the control of the officials). Dara Moynihan should have seen a black card at least, and my own personal view is you catch someone up around the neck/head area it should be straight red. It’s quite clear on all shown evidence this current Kerry squad, and it is a squad game, does not appear equipped to retain the All Ireland. David Clifford was our main man but Kerry’s knowhow and keep ball in the end helped them stumble over the line too. The team looks mentally washed after three hard years reaching the summit, and we clearly have not unearthed enough new resources to rejuvenate this team. Really, it's all been said over the past two weeks - the writing is on the wall for 2023. Sorry, but this is just a ridiculous post. You need to learn the rules. Firstly the penalty was clearly the correct call, it’s a pity most people don’t know the rule. It was a clear cut black card foul and a clear goal scoring opportunity. Secondly a yellow card was the correct call for Dara Moynihan for a high challenge. It certainly didn’t meet the criteria for a black card and a red would’ve been extremely harsh. I thought Gough was extremely tough on Kerry this afternoon, we found it much harder to get frees from him.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 3, 2023 19:51:58 GMT
What's our likely path going forward if we were to beat Louth? At home the week after (unless Cork beat Mayo) to one of Armagh, Donegal or Kildare. They’re the teams mostly likely to finish 3rd in their groups.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 3, 2023 19:58:54 GMT
Thank you once again David Clifford. Firstly, David Gough clearly balanced his ledger for Kerry today. Cork was definitely the better team in the second half and should have won. They lost because of poor shooting firstly, this is their own fault, and they lost because of poor decision making on part of the officials (Cork had enough chances to win to not leave it in the control of the officials). Dara Moynihan should have seen a black card at least, and my own personal view is you catch someone up around the neck/head area it should be straight red. It’s quite clear on all shown evidence this current Kerry squad, and it is a squad game, does not appear equipped to retain the All Ireland. David Clifford was our main man but Kerry’s knowhow and keep ball in the end helped them stumble over the line too. The team looks mentally washed after three hard years reaching the summit, and we clearly have not unearthed enough new resources to rejuvenate this team. Really, it's all been said over the past two weeks - the writing is on the wall for 2023. Think you’ve hit on something there, mentally we don’t appear to be at the races and haven’t been all year. The lads were absolutely flogged last year and they managed to reach the summit. From the Mc Grath Cup, to the League, the Munster Championship and then Sam Maguire, the same players were sent to the well again and again. Forward on to the Club championships and this years league and Munster Championship, it’s the same players and the tiredness and lack of energy is really showing. These lads have had very little break and are expected to be on top of their game again? They’re only human, not superhuman, David Clifford excepted. It’s asking a lot to put Titles back to back, you need to have a seriously strong panel. Paul Geaney still holding his spot shows our lack of depth, being realistic, an All Ireland seems very far from reach at this stage. I agree that it might be mental fatigue or lack of hunger. It took 4 goes to win the AI 2019,2020,2021,2022. So maybe it's hard to lift themselves after taking 4 goes to reach objective. The team needs a bit of refreshing but the players don't seem to be there. A young, exciting forward would do wonders I think to lift them.
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