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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 8:42:07 GMT
He was our best player Vs Tyrone What game were you watching ? David Clifford was our best player v Tyrone. What did we concede that day? Edit we conceded 3.14. No back covered themselves that day.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 2, 2023 9:06:31 GMT
He was our best player Vs Tyrone What game were you watching ? David Clifford was our best player v Tyrone. What did we concede that day? No back covered themselves that day. Inclined to agree with Royalkerryfan....
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 2, 2023 9:15:26 GMT
What game were you watching ? David Clifford was our best player v Tyrone. What did we concede that day? Edit we conceded 3.14. No back covered themselves that day. He gave away ball needlessly for first Tyrone goal. Went off injured also.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 9:18:20 GMT
Just to be clear I think Paul is a very good player.
He was one if the few players who had a good league.
But in truth last year we used him correctly.
Played him as a finisher as he had the intelligence to do the right thing and he showed his bravery v Dublin with that final ball.
With OBeaghlaoich out he is starting but he's a wing back for me.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 9:28:38 GMT
He gave away ball needlessly for first Tyrone goal. Went off injured also. He kicked 9 points that day, Is going off injured some sort of critisim ? To behonest your post is nonsense.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 2, 2023 9:28:39 GMT
We’ll be completely bullied physically against the top teams with too many small players playing. Paudie and Tom O’Sullivan both have to start because they are exceptional and 2 of our best players but after that I think the rest of the 15 need to have a bit of size about them. That’s why I’d disagree with Murphy and Moynihan starting.
For the record Murphy has had some torrid days against Cork. I think it was 2018 when we conceded 2 early goals, both came from high balls into Ruairi Deane where Paul Murphy was the completely wrong side of him.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Jun 2, 2023 9:29:47 GMT
I assume the poster saying Murphy was our best player against Tyrone is talking about the league game this year. He kicked 2 great points that day.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 9:39:28 GMT
I assume the poster saying Murphy was our best player against Tyrone is talking about the league game this year. He kicked 2 great points that day. No I think he's referring to the championship as he states Clifford went off injured that day.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 2, 2023 10:03:56 GMT
Either way, I don't think anyone here is being disrespectful or disputes the fact that Murphy is a fine plyer and has been consistent over the years. Personally, I feel its a horses for courses situation. He was best and most effectively deployed last year in the final stretch, I think this is where is best utilised, the example being the Dublin semi-final last year.
When in the final stretch, his club telepathy with Ryan is imperative to retain possession and launch attacks, I no longer see the Rathmore man as a starter, but a last quarter man, that doesn't mean his is a bad player, it just means in my eyes, his role has shifted.
In O'Beagleoich's absence, I'd be leaning more towards Mike Breen, with Murphy as the back-up to come in.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2023 10:57:22 GMT
Inclined to agree, not happy with Murphy being brutally honest, I feel he could be exposed, more so considering that Dara is directly in front of him. Agree with Adrain. When has paul murphy ever been exposed? Has been one of our most consistent players for the last ten years not sure where this narrative has come from. Answer: Too often in some of the higher end games but management should take the wrap too. Paul is a fine Kerry footballer, a wholehearted committed player but has been targeted at the highest level by quality opposition. In a case of reverse hammer the hammer, Dublin went after him in several high profile games and set up mismatches. He’s size sometimes came against him and Dublin were quite clever in that regard, not dominated only by Con but I really remember Ciarán Kilkenny tormenting him and literally bullying the man in front of my eyes watching from the Hoganstand. Tyrone also went after Paul in 2021 and literally picked his lane and ran past him. Great man to have in the squad but you need to pick your battles.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2023 11:15:37 GMT
I don’t care think it’s negative but this is supposed to be a discussion forum and not a propaganda page so my take is management are limited to changes they can make. Quite simply, this squad looks too thin and lacking the necessary quality to go back to back. We’re definitely caught in midfield and in the air generally. I haven’t seen many eras where Kerry are dominated in the skies but with David Moran gone and injuries to further possibilities we’re exposed at the moment. When you are not dominating in the air then carrying too many smaller players in the middle third lines becomes even more of a disadvantage. I'm glad Adrian Spillane will return as he brings a bit of physique and fire.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2023 11:22:40 GMT
Answer: Too often in some of the higher end games but management should take the wrap too. Paul is a fine Kerry footballer, a wholehearted committed player but has been targeted at the highest level by quality opposition. In a case of reverse hammer the hammer, Dublin went after him in several high profile games and set up mismatches. He’s size sometimes came against him and Dublin were quite clever in that regard, not dominated only by Con but I really remember Ciarán Kilkenny tormenting him and literally bullying the man in front of my eyes watching from the Hoganstand. Tyrone also went after Paul in 2021 and literally picked his lane and ran past him. Great man to have in the squad but you need to pick your battles. Murphy marked kilkenny in the 2016 all ireland semi final kicked a point and kept kilkenny scoreless. Kilkenny won an all star that year Kilkenny as scorer (even though he is) is not what i remember but as a fantastic player to hold possession and direct and link play. Kilkenny ran the show up front and saw plenty of possession and was a vital link man in 2016 and Kilkenny scored plenty in 2019 from what I remember. I remember him pucking Murphy in the chest on more than one occasion and throwing him out of his way like a sack of spuds too.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 2, 2023 11:23:21 GMT
Thought there might be another change or 2 . Up front 2 cliffords obviously keep their places geaney also as they were three of the lads who can hold their head up after mayo game. I think you have to stick with seanie aswell he has too much class and he works like a dog ( too much imo) adrian starting is a no brainer for me he is an absolute dog for the work and as physical as you want. Id say some of it is a lot of these lads know they have to step up redemption wont be found in cork 2moro but we can make a good start on it. Mayo probably havent gotten enough credit for their performance either i dont think any other team could've bossed us like they did best team in the country all year just one poor performance vs rossies aside.
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 2, 2023 11:43:18 GMT
Against Mayo we lost the midfield battle and our half forwards did little to offset this loss - when midfield is lost you are always in trouble and a weak/light half forward line needs to do some heavy lifting which was beyond them. Our midfield options have been flagged as a concern since the beginning of the year when DM retired and the two of the possible replacements were on the long term injured list. Barry O Sullivan showed best of the rest but his pace is always a worry and this is even more so on a dry sod.
The engine room needs to stop spluttering and start giving consistent performance if we are to have any success this year. Other changes are only tinkering if we can't solve the engine room.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2023 12:12:01 GMT
I fully expect a right dog fight against Cork but with David Clifford just getting better and better we should have enough to get past them. My sense is Cork might dominate possession so being profligate with our scoring chances is a big No No.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 2, 2023 12:46:33 GMT
When left 1 on 1 with Con Callaghan in the league in 2021. I agree he's been excellent overall but you have to look at the size of our middle 8. Edit It must be said it was his bravey to play a difficult pass that to DC last year that won us the game against Dublin. 1 on 1 with Con O Callaghan in his prime Jeez is that it ? I doubt there’s any defender in the championship that could have dealt with Con in his prime and he’s still going well I think Paul Murphy is a very genuine player I wish we had a few more like him I think we ll have to fasten the seat belts for this game could be a rough trip Saturday s game lineup was copperfastened Sometime around three months ago when We had Barry Dan totally outplaying his partner yet still getting The curly finger in order to restore the Na Gael partnership Of Barry and O Connor I hope it all works out on Saturday but I cannot see that partnership getting the job done on all recent and not so recent evidence David cannot keep bailing us out In the national rankings our 8 and 9 would not make the first 10 not even close No way trying to be cynical but come on now we can do better David Moran was taken off at half time in the AIF so that was the partnership in the 2nd half and so was good enough to win us the AI. They didn't have a good day against Mayo but no one in the middle 8 did really. I'm glad to see Spillane in as we need another big body there.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2023 12:55:41 GMT
1 on 1 with Con O Callaghan in his prime Jeez is that it ? I doubt there’s any defender in the championship that could have dealt with Con in his prime and he’s still going well I think Paul Murphy is a very genuine player I wish we had a few more like him I think we ll have to fasten the seat belts for this game could be a rough trip Saturday s game lineup was copperfastened Sometime around three months ago when We had Barry Dan totally outplaying his partner yet still getting The curly finger in order to restore the Na Gael partnership Of Barry and O Connor I hope it all works out on Saturday but I cannot see that partnership getting the job done on all recent and not so recent evidence David cannot keep bailing us out In the national rankings our 8 and 9 would not make the first 10 not even close No way trying to be cynical but come on now we can do better David Moran was taken off at half time in the AIF so that was the partnership in the 2nd half and so was good enough to win us the AI. They didn't have a good day against Mayo but no one in the middle 8 did really. I'm glad to see Spillane in as we need another big body there. I'd think Galway got the better of the Kerry midfield overall in the AI Final and McDaid was in the running for MoM outside of David Clifford and Shane Walsh. Seldom your midfield pairing is beaten in the air and you win an All Ireland but when you have David Clifford in your team the norm goes out the window.
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Post by peanuts on Jun 2, 2023 13:04:27 GMT
David Moran was taken off at half time in the AIF so that was the partnership in the 2nd half and so was good enough to win us the AI. They didn't have a good day against Mayo but no one in the middle 8 did really. I'm glad to see Spillane in as we need another big body there. I'd think Galway got the better of the Kerry midfield overall in the AI Final and McDaid was in the running for MoM outside of David Clifford and Shane Walsh. Seldom your midfield pairing is beaten in the air and you win an All Ireland but when you have David Clifford in your team the norm goes out the window. McDaid was the best midfielder on show no doubt but Conroy was quite poor and was taken off too. Also, most of McDaids influence was in general play and scoring so I'm not sure you could say that our midfield was beaten in the air. Either way I'd settle for that again this year.
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Post by kerryblueboy on Jun 2, 2023 13:09:13 GMT
Disappointed with the team would have liked to see Mike breen come in and also a change at midfield jack Barry is good alongside a dominant midfielder but not as the main man with a younger player alongside dara Moynihan needs a big game as well I would have gone with Buckley or Murphy there
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 2, 2023 13:14:35 GMT
I'd think Galway got the better of the Kerry midfield overall in the AI Final and McDaid was in the running for MoM outside of David Clifford and Shane Walsh. Seldom your midfield pairing is beaten in the air and you win an All Ireland but when you have David Clifford in your team the norm goes out the window. McDaid was the best midfielder on show no doubt but Conroy was quite poor and was taken off too. Also, most of McDaids influence was in general play and scoring so I'm not sure you could say that our midfield was beaten in the air. Either way I'd settle for that again this year. I would still like to see Kerry try other options at midfield but it is what it is for now. I noted against Tyrone Paul Conroy was back again in midfield for Galway and looks over his injuries and they have found a real dog of war in John Maher at midfield - he looks a great find. Galway have the luxury of putting McDaid in the halfback line and I don't see many sides if any getting the better of Galway at midfield to be fair.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 2, 2023 13:16:49 GMT
I don’t care think it’s negative but this is supposed to be a discussion forum and not a propaganda page so my take is management are limited to changes they can make. Quite simply, this squad looks too thin and lacking the necessary quality to go back to back. We’re definitely caught in midfield and in the air generally. I haven’t seen many eras where Kerry are dominated in the skies but with David Moran gone and injuries to further possibilities we’re exposed at the moment. When you are not dominating in the air then carrying too many smaller players in the middle third lines becomes even more of a disadvantage. I'm glad Adrian Spillane will return as he brings a bit of physique and fire. And very little football I wouldnt agree with that and think its a cheap shot. He might not be the most skillful player in the squad but, he is well able to hold his own and has a specific role in the team. Seamus Scanlon for example, dovetailed brilliantly with Darragh O Se towards the end of the noughties and he wouldnt have been classed as a brilliant football.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 13:47:34 GMT
I don’t care think it’s negative but this is supposed to be a discussion forum and not a propaganda page so my take is management are limited to changes they can make. Quite simply, this squad looks too thin and lacking the necessary quality to go back to back. We’re definitely caught in midfield and in the air generally. I haven’t seen many eras where Kerry are dominated in the skies but with David Moran gone and injuries to further possibilities we’re exposed at the moment. When you are not dominating in the air then carrying too many smaller players in the middle third lines becomes even more of a disadvantage. I'm glad Adrian Spillane will return as he brings a bit of physique and fire. And very little football That's a poor comment.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 2, 2023 14:29:53 GMT
I know we have home advantage tonight in ASP but was the option of a double header even considered for tomorrow or is the fact that tonight is Munster Council and tmw is under the governance of HQ make it impossible to facilitate?.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 2, 2023 15:12:29 GMT
According to my ticket for tomorrow there's a Tailteann Cup game between Waterford and Tipp as a curtain raiser so presume that played a part?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 15:29:58 GMT
I think the GAA have a policy now of not playing minor before senior games.
The certainly do regarding the all ireland final.
Another silly change..
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 2, 2023 15:48:58 GMT
I think the GAA have a policy now of not playing minor before senior games. The certainly do regarding the all ireland final. Another silly change.. Think we will never again see minors play before seniors - on the other hand I would imagine Kerry would not want to concede home advantage.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 2, 2023 17:33:04 GMT
When left 1 on 1 with Con Callaghan in the league in 2021. I agree he's been excellent overall but you have to look at the size of our middle 8. Edit It must be said it was his bravey to play a difficult pass that to DC last year that won us the game against Dublin. 1 on 1 with Con O Callaghan in his prime Jeez is that it ? I doubt there’s any defender in the championship that could have dealt with Con in his prime and he’s still going well I think Paul Murphy is a very genuine player I wish we had a few more like him I think we ll have to fasten the seat belts for this game could be a rough trip Saturday s game lineup was copperfastened Sometime around three months ago when We had Barry Dan totally outplaying his partner yet still getting The curly finger in order to restore the Na Gael partnership Of Barry and O Connor I hope it all works out on Saturday but I cannot see that partnership getting the job done on all recent and not so recent evidence David cannot keep bailing us out In the national rankings our 8 and 9 would not make the first 10 not even close No way trying to be cynical but come on now we can do better Yesh, That's some bit of underwhelming evidence. This is the same Con O'Callaghan who destroyed many other defenders including a prime Lee Keegan. I guess all that was said about Murohy must hold true for Keegan also.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 2, 2023 17:48:16 GMT
He was our best player Vs Tyrone What game were you watching ? David Clifford was our best player v Tyrone. What did we concede that day? No back covered themselves that day. Tom O’Sullivan was very good that day.
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Post by shannonsider on Jun 2, 2023 18:06:03 GMT
I'm not entirely happy with the team selected (if indeed it starts) but didn't expect what I hoped for in any case. Brian O'Beaglaioch being injured ruled him out so Paul Murphy comes in, which I'm fine with. Hopefully Paul can do a job there.
In midfield, I would have started Barry Dan for Jack Barry. Maybe they didn't want to knock Jack's confidence or whatever and are trying to get him back to form. This is a must win game so i knew damn well they weren't going to change that. As some posters have said already though I really hope Barry Dan gets a good bit of game time here though. We need to see if he can be an option as to be honest, we don't have another viable one.
Dara Moynihan is very lucky to hold his place one would have to say. I just think it boils down to O'Brien possibly not being fully fit and Ruarí Murphy not having the experience. Again, I would hope the line are not slow in changing here and getting O'Brien and Ruarí into the game.
I'm glad that Paudie Clifford is 13 and can play his normal game from there and hopefully have a big effect. If Seánie doesn't lift it enormously from Mayo game then Paudie should go to 11. No way we get even close to beating any top team without Seánie in decent form so we need him to kick into gear.
Cork will probably be defending deep in numbers and going long mostly on kickouts. How we deal with both of those will set the tone really.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 2, 2023 18:44:15 GMT
What game were you watching ? David Clifford was our best player v Tyrone. What did we concede that day? No back covered themselves that day. Tom O’Sullivan was very good that day. Infairness he did a great Job on McCurry I agree. My point being as a collective 3.14 is not something to brag about.
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