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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2023 19:01:08 GMT
J Barry & D Moynihan are not starters and wouldn't be on any other top tier team. D O Connor little bit better but still not commanding his position. S O Shea better but anonymous in the 2 half again, is it fitness or he is easily marshalled? P Geaney good game hopefuuly he will stay consistant for the summer. S Ryan needs to be sharper with his kickouts too slow at times. Think we will be better with B O B & S O B coming back in as they will bring much needed urgency & energy on the pitch. The most worrying aspect is in the mentality & energy in majority of the players and the failure of the management to address it. Good to get the win whilst playing badly but how long can we keep going like this? The Louth game is not a certainty and is a must win for the good of the team. We are a division 2 team at best this year with D Clifford carrying us. Is there anyone on the panel you haven't rubbished at this stage. Every single post a ball of negativity. We're a Div 2 side at best now is it? So maybe a Div 3 side then? Tailteann Cup hopefuls perhaps? Jesus wept!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2023 19:28:04 GMT
J Barry & D Moynihan are not starters and wouldn't be on any other top tier team. D O Connor little bit better but still not commanding his position. S O Shea better but anonymous in the 2 half again, is it fitness or he is easily marshalled? P Geaney good game hopefuuly he will stay consistant for the summer. S Ryan needs to be sharper with his kickouts too slow at times. Think we will be better with B O B & S O B coming back in as they will bring much needed urgency & energy on the pitch. The most worrying aspect is in the mentality & energy in majority of the players and the failure of the management to address it. Good to get the win whilst playing badly but how long can we keep going like this? The Louth game is not a certainty and is a must win for the good of the team. We are a division 2 team at best this year with D Clifford carrying us. Is there anyone on the panel you haven't rubbished at this stage. Every single post a ball of negativity. We're a Div 2 side at best now is it? So maybe a Div 3 side then? Tailteann Cup hopefuls perhaps? Jesus wept! Yeah that's really taking it too far. Division 2 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jun 4, 2023 19:40:28 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line. Had to laugh when I was watching it, Dublin were the masters of cynical fouling.
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Post by ciarrai74 on Jun 4, 2023 20:00:52 GMT
Firstly we dug out a win yesterday. A few little positives so not all doom and gloom. Lots to improve on but it's a very strange championship so far. I believe the championship won't really start until knockout rounds appear on the horizon. The bigger teams will then switch on [hopefully it ignites Kerry].
Every team has issues so we are probably too harsh on our own county.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 4, 2023 20:45:40 GMT
Hard to put a finger on what's wrong with Kerry this year. Apart from the midfield issues the who team just looks leggy. Maybe with the win last year and the half hearted attempt at the league we are just not at the pitch. Hopefully the games with Mayo and Cork will bring us on a bit.
You would wonder if we have got our periodical training wrong or are we going to time it just right and hit our straps after the group stages. There was flickers there yesterday especially in the first half. Hard to know
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Post by piskin on Jun 4, 2023 20:45:57 GMT
J Barry & D Moynihan are not starters and wouldn't be on any other top tier team. D O Connor little bit better but still not commanding his position. S O Shea better but anonymous in the 2 half again, is it fitness or he is easily marshalled? P Geaney good game hopefuuly he will stay consistant for the summer. S Ryan needs to be sharper with his kickouts too slow at times. Think we will be better with B O B & S O B coming back in as they will bring much needed urgency & energy on the pitch. The most worrying aspect is in the mentality & energy in majority of the players and the failure of the management to address it. Good to get the win whilst playing badly but how long can we keep going like this? The Louth game is not a certainty and is a must win for the good of the team. We are a division 2 team at best this year with D Clifford carrying us. Is there anyone on the panel you haven't rubbished at this stage. Every single post a ball of negativity. We're a Div 2 side at best now is it? So maybe a Div 3 side then? Tailteann Cup hopefuls perhaps? Jesus wept! Haven't rubbished D Clifford, S Ryan, K Spillane, A Spillane, T Morely, G White, J Foley, Darry Dan, Donal Down, S o Brien, B o B etc... It is not negativity it is constructive criticism as this year we have players who have been division 2 standard in essence. We struggled badly in the League and were looking at relegation at one stage. That was a bad Cork team yesterday and we made hard work of it, As I said without D Clifford on the pitch we are a poor enough side. The facts are on the pitch as we see it and it is far from positive.
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Post by piskin on Jun 4, 2023 20:50:28 GMT
Is there anyone on the panel you haven't rubbished at this stage. Every single post a ball of negativity. We're a Div 2 side at best now is it? So maybe a Div 3 side then? Tailteann Cup hopefuls perhaps? Jesus wept! Yeah that's really taking it too far. Division 2 🤣🤣🤣 you reckon
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2023 21:04:21 GMT
Yeah that's really taking it too far. Division 2 🤣🤣🤣 you reckon Yeah lad... Kerry are Divison 2...
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Post by piskin on Jun 4, 2023 23:05:05 GMT
Yeah lad... Kerry are Divison 2... Glad you agree
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Post by kerrysouth on Jun 5, 2023 1:18:01 GMT
I do agree there is a lot of negativity by some posters regarding where Kerry are form wise currently.The reality is it is damn hard to retain an all Ireland Dublin excluded of course .As an earlier poster alluded this team has been trying to reach the summit since 2019 and inevitably after reaching the summit last year and the ensuing celebrations and the satisfying of the hunger this was always going to be a tough year.Jack in fairness tried to unearth new players during the league but for various reasons many have come up short and the reality is the team is very similar to last year the game plan is also very similar to last year and invariably a bit of staleness has crept in too.I still believe once we navigate our way through the next few games and reach Croke park there is still a kick left in this team and we could get one or two big performances but whether we can then put 3 big performances together then will be key .Jack has been down this road before with mid season dip of form and still won all Irelands so let’s all be optimistic less critical and we may reach the summit again soon
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Post by john4 on Jun 5, 2023 8:20:00 GMT
All a bit negative for me aswell. This is a new format and no-one really knows what's the right way to time things. All the top teams look unsettled at times. The intensity and consistency will ramp up at the knockout stage which isn't far away. The main objective to that point is to get everyone through injury free
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 5, 2023 9:37:06 GMT
Hard to put a finger on what's wrong with Kerry this year. Apart from the midfield issues the who team just looks leggy. Maybe with the win last year and the half hearted attempt at the league we are just not at the pitch. Hopefully the games with Mayo and Cork will bring us on a bit. You would wonder if we have got our periodical training wrong or are we going to time it just right and hit our straps after the group stages. There was flickers there yesterday especially in the first half. Hard to know I think that a fully fit & ready Briain O’Beaglaoich & Stephen O’Brien will make a huge difference to our play if we can get both ready. Briain was our go to player last year for a lot of our kick outs - once in the ball, he can break at speed & open up the middle - a couple of occasions last Sat Paudie Clifford was the first receiver outside the D from Shane Ryan - that just cannot be. O’Brien brings huge workrate & desire - showed some of it last Sat - ready to give & go, something our half forward line is really lacking at the moment. Think we are not far away from hitting the heights with these two returning- also a fan of Killian Spillane and would love to see him return in some capacity.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 5, 2023 10:41:35 GMT
All a bit negative for me aswell. This is a new format and no-one really knows what's the right way to time things. All the top teams look unsettled at times. The intensity and consistency will ramp up at the knockout stage which isn't far away. The main objective to that point is to get everyone through injury free The problem is though that we've given ourselves a tough road now with potentially 3 games over a three week period starting 17 June. For a squad already looking threadbare and with plenty of injuries as it is it would take a minor miracle not to pick up more. Pitches also seem to be like concrete at the moment after the last 2-3 weeks of little to no rain. If the weather doesn't break that's not going to be conducive to trying to keep injuries at bay!
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 5, 2023 10:57:41 GMT
Hard to put a finger on what's wrong with Kerry this year. Apart from the midfield issues the who team just looks leggy. Maybe with the win last year and the half hearted attempt at the league we are just not at the pitch. Hopefully the games with Mayo and Cork will bring us on a bit. You would wonder if we have got our periodical training wrong or are we going to time it just right and hit our straps after the group stages. There was flickers there yesterday especially in the first half. Hard to know One important thing to remember is that May is a very busy month for students and teachers but now they're on holiday. This should help with recovery and mental fatigue. They're basically full time athletes now. I'm not sure how many in the panel are students and teachers and I know this can be said for every other county.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jun 5, 2023 12:27:16 GMT
I Know a few posters did nt agree with me at the start but I always felt this group would have twists and turns with Cork being the surprise packet. If Cork beat Mayo and we beat Louth then it's a 3 way tie so scoring comes into it. At the moment Mayo are plus 6 Cork even and Kerry minus 3.So if Cork beat Mayo by 2 we would have to beat Louth by at least 5 points. If Louth beat Kerry we almost certainly out of the championship completely unless Mayo beat Cork by a good few points. We can still top group or even be kayoed. Cork are quite capable of turning over Mayo though. It's a very strange championship. Cork are good in backs and midfield but lack the forwards to go far. Even last year I was impressed with their defensive structure.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 5, 2023 23:16:25 GMT
I'm not a subscriber to the Examiner so didn't get to read Fitzmaurice's article today but heard he mentioned how Barry Dan forwent being in Italy to be best man at his brother's wedding on Saturday to sit on the bench and play the final 15mins.
Now there's been a lot of criticism on here the last 3 weeks about players' attitudes, desire, stomach for the fight etc but my God if one of the newest fella's is prepared to sacrifice that much for the sake of a group game they would be expected to win I think we all need to reevaluate these lads commitment to wanting to keep their title.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 6, 2023 8:52:14 GMT
Anyone else notice that for Kerry's kickouts, Paudie Clifford was regularly in the centre of the pitch with nobody within 15-20 yards of him and was never hit with a kickout. It looked like a low trajectory dink over the top would have given him an easy possession.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 6, 2023 10:54:05 GMT
Yes, he and Dara rotated, if he was on the wing Dara was in the center and vis versa. Dara got one direct mark and we worked a score off it in the first half.
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Post by thehermit on Jun 6, 2023 11:22:47 GMT
I noticed that as well and felt it was a clever tactic though one not exploited much except for Dara's clean catch that Horse mentioned. Might be something they're keeping under their hats for games coming up?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 6, 2023 11:39:41 GMT
I firmly believe there is a lot of the keeping of the powder dry, I think we are going through the motions but think, this two weeks is key to crank up the notch and to get lads back uo to speed, in particular the injuries and getting them cleared up.
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