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Post by thehermit on Jun 4, 2023 9:10:03 GMT
I often wonder what Kerry ever did to him to make him lose no opportunity to have a go at us. The most pathetic thing was in 2014, berating Fitzmauirce and Kerry all year then coming on Radio Kerry the morning after the home coming and eulogising about how Fitzmaurice is the best manager in the game
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2023 9:26:01 GMT
Ahh Horse she loved every minute of it, Early start leaving the North East and making our way to the train. First time on a train too which she loved. The only thing was there wasn't a taxi to be found so we walked from Kent to the Pairc and back. Just about made the 5.25 train back to Dublin. A mighty walk for a soon to be 5 year old.. A great day though... OMG that's an awful tough trek for the young lady but glad she enjoyed her day. I d say she slept last night God bless her. Thank you Mick, Indeed it was a long walk in the heat.. but she didn't complain but certainly was tired getting home last night..
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2023 9:49:55 GMT
One thing maybe others have mentioned it but score difference has in 3rd today.
We need increase over conversation rate against Louth if we want to ensure 2nd spot.
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Post by exiled on Jun 4, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
Just watched the game on GAAGO replay as I was working yesterday and had Radio Kerry on phone. A few points. SOS great first half disappeared in second. Either Moynihan just had a bad day or he's just not a player to start a game. DOC had a good game but Barry was poor.Defence was good overall. Geaney was poor. Spillane was playing OK so surprised he was taken off. Ruairi Murphy very green but promising. Paudie had great first half. Cork got 4 points from phantom frees. I replayed the incidents a few times and could not see a free. Powter should have had a yellow for clash with Shane Ryan, no attempt to play the ball. Overall our play from the back looks like the old priests game from Father Ted. And yes we wouldn't be in contention without DC.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 4, 2023 9:51:39 GMT
Was Sherlock not fully fit that he didn't start. If he was on for the 70 we might be feeling a whole lot more negative today.
He kicked some crackers.
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Post by thepope on Jun 4, 2023 10:01:35 GMT
Was encouraged by the first half, it wasn't amazing but there was far more life to us than in Mayo match.
At HT we were commenting how poor the Cork forwards were, poor shot selection and, when in tight spaces nearer the goal, they didn't have ball skills to play out of tight spots, their shot map on TSG showed a team who struggled to get into decent scoring positions from 25/30m in. We made them look better than they are in the 2nd half.
2nd half was very poor and we could easily have been beaten. Didn't kick much from play at all in 2nd half.
3 weeks to go until its knockout and things to work on.
Shane Ryan is doing very well facing down shots but kickouts need to hurry up. When Cork set up to press we moved 4/5 bodies out to middle third, as you should. If Shane could get the ball quicker we should be getting long kickouts off faster to free men or at least to an overload. Cluxton used to move for the spare ball as the free was sailing over, Shane takes too long retrieving ball and setting up.
Seanie looked good at the start when inside the FF line but he disappears in the middle third. Think it's time for Clifford and Seanie inside and play a 4-man HF line. Seanie is struggling for legs in middle third but knows how to score.
I'd like to see Barry Dan get a full half vs. Louth. Thought he caught ball and moved it well when he came on. We're so short of midfield options that we need to know sooner rather than later how we're going to use him.
Hopefully the 2/3 week period will see Brian Ó Beaglaoich, Adrian and Killian Spillane get themselves right. I'd be starting Brian and Adrian. Killian would hopefully have impact off the bench.
Similar to last year, our backs- Tom, Gavin, Brian are the players who will break the lines. They are the foundation of our attack and can move a sweeper when they break a line, allowing Clifford, or Seanie, space to show for a pass.
As a result, our HF line needs to have an extra body to help sweeper and shore up the run. A 4-man HF line also allows Paudie move into space to collect and carry without leaving us wide open.
So far, we look brittle at times, our scoring rate has dropped since last year, our midfield options are depleted but if we get it right with some injured players returning, I wouldn't rule us out yet.
Team that I'd like to see S Ryan G O'Sullivan J Foley T O'Sullivan B O'Beaglaioch T Morley G White J Barry/B D O'Sullivan D O'Connor D Moynihan P Clifford A Spillane D Clifford S O'Shea P Geaney/ T Brosnan
Bench options:
P Murphy to replace O'Beaglaioch
You could sub either Jack/Barry Dan at HT and bring whoever started back on for last 10 if midfield jaded.
Geaney or Brosnan to play out near the 50 as 4th HF.
Killian/Donal O'S to come in for last 10/15
Burns to replace Dara M with 10/15 to go
Similar to last year, but we've not unearthed definite options in league.
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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2023 10:27:44 GMT
One thing maybe others have mentioned it but score difference has in 3rd today. We need increase over conversation rate against Louth if we want to ensure 2nd spot. Yes I mentioned that in earlier post and it might be vital yet. If we beat Louth and Mayo beat Cork and Louth we come 2nd end of but if Cork beat Mayo (and chances are Mayo will be on 4 pts at that stage and will be relaxed) then scoring will come into it. For that reason I'd love to play Louth in Croke park in big open spaces. Louth will be much harder to score against in a tight pitch. We're only 3 points score-difference worse than Cork. Them playing Mayo and us playing Louth should ( should!) take care of that. Imagine the head-to-head would take precedence anyway which would favour us (having beaten Cork). That's assuming of course that the remaining games go to form and there's always the danger that Mayo mightn't be too bothered in the last game, a draw might be enough for them at that stage.
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Post by southward on Jun 4, 2023 10:34:34 GMT
Just watched the game on GAAGO replay as I was working yesterday and had Radio Kerry on phone. A few points. SOS great first half disappeared in second. Either Moynihan just had a bad day or he's just not a player to start a game. DOC had a good game but Barry was poor.Defence was good overall. Geaney was poor. Spillane was playing OK so surprised he was taken off. Ruairi Murphy very green but promising. Paudie had great first half. Cork got 4 points from phantom frees. I replayed the incidents a few times and could not see a free. Powter should have had a yellow for clash with Shane Ryan, no attempt to play the ball. Overall our play from the back looks like the old priests game from Father Ted. And yes we wouldn't be in contention without DC. I thought Geaney was one of our better players yesterday. Didn't score but was involved in plenty. Agree on the others. Did Adrian get a knock that he went off? Ruairi Murphy - dunno, didn't make any impact for me, just threw a few balls around. Didn't seem to have the confidence to go for it.
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Post by glengael on Jun 4, 2023 10:43:24 GMT
Overall our play from the back looks like the old priests game from Father Ted. Early contender for best match analysis of the year.
Also, the sun is shining- can we leave the umbrella out of this thread please.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 4, 2023 10:48:31 GMT
Just watched the game on GAAGO replay as I was working yesterday and had Radio Kerry on phone. A few points. SOS great first half disappeared in second. Either Moynihan just had a bad day or he's just not a player to start a game. DOC had a good game but Barry was poor.Defence was good overall. Geaney was poor. Spillane was playing OK so surprised he was taken off. Ruairi Murphy very green but promising. Paudie had great first half. Cork got 4 points from phantom frees. I replayed the incidents a few times and could not see a free. Powter should have had a yellow for clash with Shane Ryan, no attempt to play the ball. Overall our play from the back looks like the old priests game from Father Ted. And yes we wouldn't be in contention without DC. I thought Geaney was one of our better players yesterday. Didn't score but was involved in plenty. Agree on the others. Did Adrian get a knock that he went off? Ruairi Murphy - dunno, didn't make any impact for me, just threw a few balls around. Didn't seem to have the confidence to go for it. Yes, he got an ankle knock in the first half and was down for a bit but thought he ran it off.
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Post by sammaguire1 on Jun 4, 2023 11:04:49 GMT
Kerry forwards tackling is very loose and think 4 of the starting 6 picked up yellows yesterday. D Clifford Geaney O'Shea and Moynihan for the clothesline tackle
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 4, 2023 11:40:37 GMT
One thing maybe others have mentioned it but score difference has in 3rd today. We need increase over conversation rate against Louth if we want to ensure 2nd spot. Yes I mentioned that in earlier post and it might be vital yet. If we beat Louth and Mayo beat Cork and Louth we come 2nd end of but if Cork beat Mayo (and chances are Mayo will be on 4 pts at that stage and will be relaxed) then scoring will come into it. For that reason I'd love to play Louth in Croke park in big open spaces. Louth will be much harder to score against in a tight pitch. Tighter pitch? Limerick hurling coach Paul Kinnerk quoted last week that PûC is eight yards wider than Semple Stadium, if the Munster hurling final was going to be fixed for a neutral venue, the Limerick Co, Board we’re going to propose Cork not Thurles for their Clare game. Yesterday should have been the ideal showcase for playing the width.
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Post by tpo on Jun 4, 2023 11:44:38 GMT
Adrian had ice on upper leg at half time, probably dead leg
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Post by goforit2 on Jun 4, 2023 12:24:31 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 4, 2023 12:32:55 GMT
Just watched the game on GAAGO replay as I was working yesterday and had Radio Kerry on phone. A few points. SOS great first half disappeared in second. Either Moynihan just had a bad day or he's just not a player to start a game. DOC had a good game but Barry was poor.Defence was good overall. Geaney was poor. Spillane was playing OK so surprised he was taken off. Ruairi Murphy very green but promising. Paudie had great first half. Cork got 4 points from phantom frees. I replayed the incidents a few times and could not see a free. Powter should have had a yellow for clash with Shane Ryan, no attempt to play the ball. Overall our play from the back looks like the old priests game from Father Ted. And yes we wouldn't be in contention without DC. I thought Geaney was one of our better players yesterday. Didn't score but was involved in plenty. Agree on the others. Did Adrian get a knock that he went off? Ruairi Murphy - dunno, didn't make any impact for me, just threw a few balls around. Didn't seem to have the confidence to go for it. I would say Geaney was one of our better players - linked in very well with David C and in fairness made the penalty - his pass inside to Tom O'Sull saw him continue his run to receive the ball before being fouled. Spillane took an early hit and was replaced due to a dead leg.
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Post by moth on Jun 4, 2023 12:57:50 GMT
Not sure when last I walked out of a stadium at the end of a match that Kerry had won and felt like it was a defeat. Let's be honest here - as a unit, both teams were poor and the ref was awful.
First, let's write off the officials. If we never again have David Gough as a ref, then that will be soon enough - if not too soon! For the penalty, it was clearly outside and I thought that the umpire has just made a bad call - I didn't realise that this hurling rule also existed in football. Some of Hurley's free were bizarre - ref sees him go down and assumes it must be a free? In the 2nd half, Hurley and Foley ended up on the ground. Hurley looked at the umpire, who pointed back at him & said something, but did not tell the ref. The pick up off the ground was so obvious - surely at least one official could have seen it. Kerry got a lot of cards, some warranted, but for similar and worse offences (outside of black card), Cork seems to have a free pass.
The stadium itself is perfect, but access is brutal. The attendance was dismal. Value for monney was low, as both games were poor football matches. Got the second half of the other game & how much Tipp have gone back is amazing. Ref there was a bit better, but IMO gave a ridiculous black card that kept Waterford in the game.
Warm up before the game was both interesting and worrying. Cork seemed to be nailing all their shots, while Kerry lads were shooting wides. Ryan and Murphy (at different times) made saves from goal scoring chances, but in both cases the shots seemed to lack conviction. Interesting that both shots were from Paudie Clifford.
Cork - great win last week, but felt after this game that they'd have been better off in Tailtean cup. Chris Jones missed a few simple scores, Sherlock a few frees. They were presented a goal chance by Kerry, but butchered it. Keeping Sherlock as an impact sub is clearly the tactic, but I can't understand why you'd keep your best scorer on the bench. Giving him the frees when he was just on was daft - they should have been left with Hurley until he warmed up. We now assume that they'll get out of the group - but they need to improve a lot to get any further. Kerry need Cork to improve and push us further in Munster.
Our starting 15 were very average, at best. Both Sean O'Shea and Paul Geaney were excellent in the first half. David Clifford is a class apart and without him we'd have lost. However, at times he looked weary and only once did he attempt to take on his man in the style that we'd become accustomed to seeing him do. I can't understand why he doesn't call for mark when the opportunity arises. He was also left isolated without any support for long periods in the match. Adrian seemed to take a bad knock early on and was quiet, but it was when he didn't appear in the 2nd half did we realized how much we needed him. I thought Graham and Tom Sullivan both did excellent runs forward, but were rarely used. Ryan did what was needed (I felt Powter should have seen black for that tackle) - but when we are attacking I think he comes too far from goal. A better team will punish him with turnovers. Diarmuid O'Connor and Foley were improved since the Mayo match.
The bench/management - good call to pull players on yellow, but I feel most of these players should have been pulled earlier for lack of effectiveness. Contribution from bench wasn't great. I felt Stephen O'Brien had some great runs, but then had no support at the end. Jack Barry has always done very well on Fenton - but I'd like to see another option beside Diarmuid O'Connor the next day. It must be so much easier to see things in the stand - I wonder should one of the management spend the first half in the stand. I'd have pulled Jack Barry and Dara Moynihan at h/t, if not before. I'd also have pushed a second player in the forwards to be in a position to counter faster on turnovers. We were slow in the build up and didn't create goal chances.
Finally, yesterday was hot, so maybe that affected some players. It's hard to see us keeping Sam for another year. Most worrying of all - we are not seeing new players emerge. Only a handful were introduced in the league and some of these have vanished since then.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 4, 2023 13:56:45 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line. Yeah, spotted that too. It was obvious and cheeky and Enda McGinley of Tyrone agreeing and nodding away alongside Paul Flynn. Professional fouling Flynn called it - and RTE showed a clip of Geaney and Clifford disrupting Cork players - the host should have at least suggested it's something all sides are at instead of supporting a biased narrative.
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Post by oldschool on Jun 4, 2023 14:10:35 GMT
Very few marks called. Team looks tired.. Who is our forwards coach.?
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Post by percentageplay on Jun 4, 2023 14:13:17 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line. Yeah, spotted that too. It was obvious and cheeky and Enda McGinley of Tyrone agreeing and nodding away alongside Paul Flynn. Professional fouling Flynn called it - and RTE showed a clip of Geaney and Clifford disrupting Cork players - the host should have at least suggested it's something all sides are at instead of supporting a biased narrative. No need to be so paranoid about pictures being painted or using what aboutery as an excuse. Yes Kerry are far from the only ones doing it, some of the stuff on display by Mayo by the moment looks particularly bad or obvious. It really is up to the GAA to stamp it out, for instance the deliberate disrupting of a quick free by Cork in the middle field late in the game yesterday was awful to see and really should be punished by a black card. I know it's currently not a black card but it should be added to the list.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 4, 2023 14:33:15 GMT
Very few marks called. Team looks tired.. Who is our forwards coach.? We seem to be kicking less & less from midfield/ half back area. Packed defences are part of the problem but our strategy yesterday seemed to be to get Gavin White free for runs through the middle - when that avenue was blocked, we recycled.
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Post by oldschool on Jun 4, 2023 14:54:20 GMT
Very few marks called. Team looks tired.. Who is our forwards coach.? We seem to be kicking less & less from midfield/ half back area. Packed defences are part of the problem but our strategy yesterday seemed to be to get Gavin White free for runs through the middle - when that avenue was blocked, we recycled.
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Post by oldschool on Jun 4, 2023 14:56:36 GMT
We seem to be kicking less & less from midfield/ half back area. Packed defences are part of the problem but our strategy yesterday seemed to be to get Gavin White free for runs through the middle - when that avenue was blocked, we recycled. [br See Mayo only won by 1pt against Louth. Are we being a bit hard on our own team. Dublin v Roscommon last week. Let's see what we make of Louth.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 4, 2023 15:06:37 GMT
[br See Mayo only won by 1pt against Louth. Are we being a bit hard on our own team. Dublin v Roscommon last week. Let's see what we make of Louth. Mayo were well in control and Louth got 1-1 in the last 2 plays to bring it back to a point. They didn't get a play to equalise. We were far from in control in the second half yesterday and were hanging on. Louth were very defensive today and very hard to break down. They have to win next week so I'd be surprised if they are as defensive again.
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Post by thepope on Jun 4, 2023 15:08:56 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line. 100%, the Dubs used middle-third fouling for years to stop counter attacks
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 4, 2023 16:53:00 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line. 100%, the Dubs used middle-third fouling for years to stop counter attacks Careful now your holiness, you'll be accused of being paranoid by those up their own high moral horse. You're absolutely spot on of course.
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Post by mike70 on Jun 4, 2023 17:07:45 GMT
[br See Mayo only won by 1pt against Louth. Are we being a bit hard on our own team. Dublin v Roscommon last week. Let's see what we make of Louth. Mayo were well in control and Louth got 1-1 in the last 2 plays to bring it back to a point. They didn't get a play to equalise. We were far from in control in the second half yesterday and were hanging on. Louth were very defensive today and very hard to break down. They have to win next week so I'd be surprised if they are as defensive again. I am afraid Louth will be 100% defensive next game, that’s how they play. I think we will struggle for long periods against them, but we should see our victory, the concern will be the levels of fitness by Louth, they keep on coming and we are running on empty in the last 15.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 4, 2023 17:27:09 GMT
Mayo were well in control and Louth got 1-1 in the last 2 plays to bring it back to a point. They didn't get a play to equalise. We were far from in control in the second half yesterday and were hanging on. Louth were very defensive today and very hard to break down. They have to win next week so I'd be surprised if they are as defensive again. I am afraid Louth will be 100% defensive next game, that’s how they play. I think we will struggle for long periods against them, but we should see our victory, the concern will be the levels of fitness by Louth, they keep on coming and we are running on empty in the last 15. Do we have a 2 week break now ?
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Post by piskin on Jun 4, 2023 17:33:30 GMT
J Barry & D Moynihan are not starters and wouldn't be on any other top tier team. D O Connor little bit better but still not commanding his position. S O Shea better but anonymous in the 2 half again, is it fitness or he is easily marshalled? P Geaney good game hopefuuly he will stay consistant for the summer. S Ryan needs to be sharper with his kickouts too slow at times. Think we will be better with B O B & S O B coming back in as they will bring much needed urgency & energy on the pitch. The most worrying aspect is in the mentality & energy in majority of the players and the failure of the management to address it. Good to get the win whilst playing badly but how long can we keep going like this? The Louth game is not a certainty and is a must win for the good of the team. We are a division 2 team at best this year with D Clifford carrying us.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 4, 2023 18:43:49 GMT
Mayo were well in control and Louth got 1-1 in the last 2 plays to bring it back to a point. They didn't get a play to equalise. We were far from in control in the second half yesterday and were hanging on. Louth were very defensive today and very hard to break down. They have to win next week so I'd be surprised if they are as defensive again. I am afraid Louth will be 100% defensive next game, that’s how they play. I think we will struggle for long periods against them, but we should see our victory, the concern will be the levels of fitness by Louth, they keep on coming and we are running on empty in the last 15. They were much more open against Cork first day out 1-17 to 1-19.. Probably another game they felt they had to win or they would be on the back foot. Can't see them holding back like they did today trying to stay within 2/3 points of mayo.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 4, 2023 18:51:53 GMT
Paul Flynn on RTE pointed out "cynical/ strategic fouling" by Kerry. It seems that he is trying to paint a picture for referees down the line. 100%, the Dubs used middle-third fouling for years to stop counter attacks Mayo and Louth doing the same thing today. Very much part of the game now. It’s not the first time this year that Flynn has mentioned Kerry’s cynical play. Laughable really.
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