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Post by kerrygold on Apr 5, 2019 8:46:05 GMT
I might add that Limericks brand of hurling which consists of a series of 25 meter passes before the shot for a point from 100 yards is a poor spectacle. They hit 19 points and 19 wides. They never take the ball into the tackle so turnovers are eliminated. 38 shots is a shot every two minutes. Part of the attraction of hurling was the mayhem and chaos of the game played at pace. Limericks game mirrors Dublin footballers now. Very effective but not a good to watch at less cerebral approaches. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0404/1040614-every-team-is-trying-to-play-like-limerick/
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 5, 2019 15:04:03 GMT
Decent article here, about Kerry's shape and the strategy of keeping Clifford and Walsh up the pitch. They also have some stuff on Paul Murphy's role minding the house. I'm a bit torn about this as I think keeping him back means we lose out on his intelligent use of the ball further up the field, especially given Tom O'Sullivan's and Gavin Crowley's use of the ball going forward hasn't been the greatest in the league and the fact that I think we struggled a fair bit in terms of getting the ball out of defence on Sunday. It also has some stuff on how the midfield duo performed in terms of turnovers which was bleak enough reading. www.balls.ie/gaa/kerry-defensive-system-408462
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2019 16:24:01 GMT
Decent article here, about Kerry's shape and the strategy of keeping Clifford and Walsh up the pitch. They also have some stuff on Paul Murphy's role minding the house. I'm a bit torn about this as I think keeping him back means we lose out on his intelligent use of the ball further up the field, especially given Tom O'Sullivan's and Gavin Crowley's use of the ball going forward hasn't been the greatest in the league and the fact that I think we struggled a fair bit in terms of getting the ball out of defence on Sunday. It also has some stuff on how the midfield duo performed in terms of turnovers which was bleak enough reading. www.balls.ie/gaa/kerry-defensive-system-408462Very interesting. After dominating two games v Kerry in quick succession, I expect that plans to nullify or distract AOS will be deployed if they meet again this year.
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Post by dc84 on Apr 5, 2019 16:59:04 GMT
Decent article here, about Kerry's shape and the strategy of keeping Clifford and Walsh up the pitch. They also have some stuff on Paul Murphy's role minding the house. I'm a bit torn about this as I think keeping him back means we lose out on his intelligent use of the ball further up the field, especially given Tom O'Sullivan's and Gavin Crowley's use of the ball going forward hasn't been the greatest in the league and the fact that I think we struggled a fair bit in terms of getting the ball out of defence on Sunday. It also has some stuff on how the midfield duo performed in terms of turnovers which was bleak enough reading. www.balls.ie/gaa/kerry-defensive-system-408462Very interesting. After dominating two games v Kerry in quick succession, I expect that plans to nullify or distract AOS will be deployed if they meet again this year. Excellent article, i honestly think moran will deal with AOS if we meet them again morans at least as good in the air wont be bullied and is probably faster. Also whites pace will add a lot he will make it far easier to break out crowley and o sullivan are nowhere near as fast . Just like mcaffrey for dublin i think he will be a game changer. Would love if we had white and murphy on the wings serious outlets
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Post by themanfromthewest on Apr 5, 2019 17:40:36 GMT
Very interesting. After dominating two games v Kerry in quick succession, I expect that plans to nullify or distract AOS will be deployed if they meet again this year. Excellent article, i honestly think moran will deal with AOS if we meet them again morans at least as good in the air wont be bullied and is probably faster. Also whites pace will add a lot he will make it far easier to break out crowley and o sullivan are nowhere near as fast . Just like mcaffrey for dublin i think he will be a game changer. Would love if we had white and murphy on the wings serious outlets Tom o’Sullivan Is exceptionally fast, we didn’t see him breaking the last day because he was doing a man marking job, which he is also very good at and that may be his role come the summer given someone has to make way in the half back line for white. I agree that Moran would be ideal for O’Shea they’d probably break even and it would also free up Barry to match up with Ruane who I think he would manage easily. We really made hero’s of Mayo’s midfield in the two games I’d love to see the match up above happen later in the year to compare. That was a good article I wonder is there stats anywhere for the number of breaks won between the 45’s? That’s where we really struggled in the second half I felt.
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Post by egbabroad on Apr 5, 2019 18:47:41 GMT
What happened to Moran missing most of the league, was he injured or rested. If injured is it short term? He needs game time over the next 2 months
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 5, 2019 19:54:30 GMT
Was listening to Terrace Talk and one of the speakers was not impressed with Donnie Buckleys bear hugs for O'Shea and Co after the game, i know the long connection and relationship etc there but any thoughts on that? Im a big fan of Donnie and want him onboard however maybe thats not appropriate after a loss to Mayo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 20:28:36 GMT
David Moran is past his best as far as playing for Kerry is concerned. I have watched him regress the last couple of years and at this stage of his career i don’t see him getting better.
He has lost pace . He was no match for Fenton the last couple of times they played each other. He will probably start alongside Barry because we have nobody else . In my opinion he will be no match for Aidan O’Shea if they play Mayo.
Midfield will be a big problem this year unless we find a new man from somewhere. Teams are still running at us and causing serious problems up the middle and it’s coming from the midfield and center back area.
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Post by beantownfan on Apr 5, 2019 21:52:37 GMT
Was listening to Terrace Talk and one of the speakers was not impressed with Donnie Buckleys bear hugs for O'Shea and Co after the game, i know the long connection and relationship etc there but any thoughts on that? Im a big fan of Donnie and want him onboard however maybe that's not appropriate after a loss to Mayo. They'd want to get a life! The man spent the last 5 or 6 years helping to get Mayo to where they are (he would probably have been with Kerry had egos not got in the way on our side). Having met the man a couple of times, I am sure he is very close to many of the Mayo players, how could he but feel happy for them. Overall a very good league campaign for our boys. I think the two Mayo games bring a bit of perspective that we are not nearly as advanced as we thought we were after a few of our [tight] wins. I'd love to see us toppling the Dubs in an AI final, but as others have suggested here getting to a semi-final will be a big accomplishment for this team. We lack physicality in a few positions, and that can't be created in a few months.
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Post by 1979 on Apr 5, 2019 22:30:27 GMT
David Moran is past his best as far as playing for Kerry is concerned. I have watched him regress the last couple of years and at this stage of his career i don’t see him getting better. He has lost pace . He was no match for Fenton the last couple of times they played each other. He will probably start alongside Barry because we have nobody else . In my opinion he will be no match for Aidan O’Shea if they play Mayo. Midfield will be a big problem this year unless we find a new man from somewhere. Teams are still running at us and causing serious problems up the middle and it’s coming from the midfield and center back area. I would tend to agree in relation to Moran. He’s also recovering from an injury and has played practically no inter-county football this year so relying on him to be the answer is really hoping for minor miracles. Could White do a job around the middle? He obviously has the pace, fitness and football ability, would he have the “presence” and positional sense? We need to try something different there I think and we have decent cover in defense now imo.
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Post by jackiel on Apr 5, 2019 23:03:50 GMT
As matter of interest, I met Liam Moggan on Sunday after Mayo's win, he is currently part of Mayo's backroom team.. While he was happy to see Mayo win, he has nothing but praise and a genuine fondness for the Kerry team. He was involved with the team in the run up to 2014 AI, Kieran O Leary mentioned him in his acceptance speech. There are a lot of journey men in the current GAA set up,managers and fitness coaches etc who move from county to county and indeed club to club with no tangible connection. I wouldn't castigate Donie, surely it is natural for him to congratulate the Mayo players he worked so closely with.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Apr 6, 2019 0:56:58 GMT
Was listening to Terrace Talk and one of the speakers was not impressed with Donnie Buckleys bear hugs for O'Shea and Co after the game, i know the long connection and relationship etc there but any thoughts on that? Im a big fan of Donnie and want him onboard however maybe thats not appropriate after a loss to Mayo. Loada balls...the man made friends in the Mayo camp. Why wouldn't he congratulate them on their famous victory? Opponents being all chatty and friendly before a game, as happens in the NBA, is much worse. And, by the way, his name is Donie. Donnie is the lad in the White House.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Apr 6, 2019 5:56:09 GMT
Was listening to Terrace Talk and one of the speakers was not impressed with Donnie Buckleys bear hugs for O'Shea and Co after the game, i know the long connection and relationship etc there but any thoughts on that? Im a big fan of Donnie and want him onboard however maybe thats not appropriate after a loss to Mayo. Loada balls...the man made friends in the Mayo camp. Why wouldn't he congratulate them on their famous victory? Opponents being all chatty and friendly before a game, as happens in the NBA, is much worse. And, by the way, his name is Donie. Donnie is the lad in the White House. Wow added an extra N in the mans name appologies for the oversight on my part.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 6, 2019 11:05:49 GMT
Excellent article, i honestly think moran will deal with AOS if we meet them again morans at least as good in the air wont be bullied and is probably faster. Also whites pace will add a lot he will make it far easier to break out crowley and o sullivan are nowhere near as fast . Just like mcaffrey for dublin i think he will be a game changer. Would love if we had white and murphy on the wings serious outlets Tom o’Sullivan Is exceptionally fast, we didn’t see him breaking the last day because he was doing a man marking job, which he is also very good at and that may be his role come the summer given someone has to make way in the half back line for white. I agree that Moran would be ideal for O’Shea they’d probably break even and it would also free up Barry to match up with Ruane who I think he would manage easily. We really made hero’s of Mayo’s midfield in the two games I’d love to see the match up above happen later in the year to compare. That was a good article I wonder is there stats anywhere for the number of breaks won between the 45’s? That’s where we really struggled in the second half I felt. In the Kerry's Eye it said Kerry only won 28% of breaks.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Apr 6, 2019 12:22:05 GMT
Tom o’Sullivan Is exceptionally fast, we didn’t see him breaking the last day because he was doing a man marking job, which he is also very good at and that may be his role come the summer given someone has to make way in the half back line for white. I agree that Moran would be ideal for O’Shea they’d probably break even and it would also free up Barry to match up with Ruane who I think he would manage easily. We really made hero’s of Mayo’s midfield in the two games I’d love to see the match up above happen later in the year to compare. That was a good article I wonder is there stats anywhere for the number of breaks won between the 45’s? That’s where we really struggled in the second half I felt. In the Kerry's Eye it said Kerry only won 28% of breaks. Cheers, that’s probably about what I would have expected. It’s an area that needs a lot of work clearly.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2019 13:05:15 GMT
at this stage you are probably the only one on here who thinks Shane Ryan isnt Kerrys best option in goals I am just asking the question why he is our best option? Not saying he isnt but, why is it assumed he is the best option. I think its between him and Murphy. I still think Murphy was harshly treated when dropped last year. Ryan had the type of movement in front of him that was engineered by Kerry for the first half yesterday Murphy could have only dreamt of last year against Galway. I have no problem with Ryan being number one but every one has to admit he has a very obvious weakness under the high ball that has reared its head multiple times during the league. Its not even a weakness its poor decision making most of the time. He gave a punch back into his own goalmouth against dublin, fluffed a high one when he went to punch it against galway. Went to pull one down that was going over the bar against Monaghan that eventually hit the bar. Let one go through his hands in the last min against Monaghan and then yesterdays mistake. Then you have instances where he does well on his line or fielding those tricky ones that are just dropping beneath he bar. He plays the sweeper keeper effectively mostly. I don't know if its a concentration thing or not or whats going on but, it cant be ignored either. Its fine to say is his first year etc and i get that but at what point if the issue isnt sorted does it become a liability? In the interests of an evidenced based debate on the performance of Shane Ryan, the following two videos show all his interventions in the game. They show what ensued from each intervention by him. To me he was probably Kerry's best performer even allowing for the screw up for DOCs goal. In relation to that goal he clearly needs to adapt Cluxtons approach in such situations which is the "two fisted punch" as the highest point his fists can reach to the ball. Maybe he would have stayed on his line if his fullback was in place. I think the two videos show too that Mayo closed down or curtailed Kerry's short kickout game plan in the second half. Kerry didnt get enough possession from long kickouts in the second half.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2019 13:05:50 GMT
First half
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2019 13:06:28 GMT
Second half
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2019 13:08:58 GMT
If we are looking at the league as the learning curve and finding our best combination, then the league final was surely where we learned the most! 1. Tom O’Sullivan’s best position is @ 7 - when a man marker is required we have to look elsewhere, Jason Foley/Shane Enright - thought we shot ourselves in the foot with this move which also saw Graham O’Sullivan being played out of position @ 7 - certainly accounts for the amount of breaks we won/lost.
2. We cannot play players who are anything less than 100% fit - Dara Moynihan did not seem his usual self and Kevin McCarthy having been replaced the previous Sunday with what looked a bad injury, had to be replaced early in the 2nd half with a similar issue - Gavin Crowley too seemed gassed with about 20 mins to go.
3. Jack Sherwood may not be the answer to the full back position - again, Foley/Enright or maybe Gavin Crowley could be accommodated.
In the final analysis, the league was great and has provided good options going forward - we have achieved a great deal on the back of a few training sessions per week and with greater intensity to come, feel that we will have a big say in the destination of this years championship.
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 6, 2019 16:18:12 GMT
If we are looking at the league as the learning curve and finding our best combination, then the league final was surely where we learned the most! 1. Tom O’Sullivan’s best position is @ 7 - when a man marker is required we have to look elsewhere, Jason Foley/Shane Enright - thought we shot ourselves in the foot with this move which also saw Graham O’Sullivan being played out of position @ 7 - certainly accounts for the amount of breaks we won/lost. 2. We cannot play players who are anything less than 100% fit - Dara Moynihan did not seem his usual self and Kevin McCarthy having been replaced the previous Sunday with what looked a bad injury, had to be replaced early in the 2nd half with a similar issue - Gavin Crowley too seemed gassed with about 20 mins to go. 3. Jack Sherwood may not be the answer to the full back position - again, Foley/Enright or maybe Gavin Crowley could be accommodated. In the final analysis, the league was great and has provided good options going forward - we have achieved a great deal on the back of a few training sessions per week and with greater intensity to come, feel that we will have a big say in the destination of this years championship. On the 2nd point Dara Moynihan was playing a few of the later games with a broken bone in his foot. Foot is in a cast at the moment and will be missing for Spa for a bit.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2019 17:01:05 GMT
was Gavin OBrien fit for the league final
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2019 18:02:01 GMT
was Gavin OBrien fit for the league final Yes!!
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2019 18:06:18 GMT
If we are looking at the league as the learning curve and finding our best combination, then the league final was surely where we learned the most! 1. Tom O’Sullivan’s best position is @ 7 - when a man marker is required we have to look elsewhere, Jason Foley/Shane Enright - thought we shot ourselves in the foot with this move which also saw Graham O’Sullivan being played out of position @ 7 - certainly accounts for the amount of breaks we won/lost. 2. We cannot play players who are anything less than 100% fit - Dara Moynihan did not seem his usual self and Kevin McCarthy having been replaced the previous Sunday with what looked a bad injury, had to be replaced early in the 2nd half with a similar issue - Gavin Crowley too seemed gassed with about 20 mins to go. 3. Jack Sherwood may not be the answer to the full back position - again, Foley/Enright or maybe Gavin Crowley could be accommodated. In the final analysis, the league was great and has provided good options going forward - we have achieved a great deal on the back of a few training sessions per week and with greater intensity to come, feel that we will have a big say in the destination of this years championship. On the 2nd point Dara Moynihan was playing a few of the later games with a broken bone in his foot. Foot is in a cast at the moment and will be missing for Spa for a bit. That’s exactly my point - we are not being fair to injured /fit players by playing guys who are not 100% fit !
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Post by themanfromthewest on Apr 6, 2019 18:33:49 GMT
If we are looking at the league as the learning curve and finding our best combination, then the league final was surely where we learned the most! 1. Tom O’Sullivan’s best position is @ 7 - when a man marker is required we have to look elsewhere, Jason Foley/Shane Enright - thought we shot ourselves in the foot with this move which also saw Graham O’Sullivan being played out of position @ 7 - certainly accounts for the amount of breaks we won/lost. 2. We cannot play players who are anything less than 100% fit - Dara Moynihan did not seem his usual self and Kevin McCarthy having been replaced the previous Sunday with what looked a bad injury, had to be replaced early in the 2nd half with a similar issue - Gavin Crowley too seemed gassed with about 20 mins to go. 3. Jack Sherwood may not be the answer to the full back position - again, Foley/Enright or maybe Gavin Crowley could be accommodated. In the final analysis, the league was great and has provided good options going forward - we have achieved a great deal on the back of a few training sessions per week and with greater intensity to come, feel that we will have a big say in the destination of this years championship. Why would you say moving Tom shot us in the foot? I thought he did a really good job on Mcloughlin. His best position is at 7 but I would imagine that Gavin White will come in there later. It’s good to find out what lads can do in certain positions when asked. Absolutely agree about playing injured players it rarely works out.
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2019 18:42:26 GMT
If we are looking at the league as the learning curve and finding our best combination, then the league final was surely where we learned the most! 1. Tom O’Sullivan’s best position is @ 7 - when a man marker is required we have to look elsewhere, Jason Foley/Shane Enright - thought we shot ourselves in the foot with this move which also saw Graham O’Sullivan being played out of position @ 7 - certainly accounts for the amount of breaks we won/lost. 2. We cannot play players who are anything less than 100% fit - Dara Moynihan did not seem his usual self and Kevin McCarthy having been replaced the previous Sunday with what looked a bad injury, had to be replaced early in the 2nd half with a similar issue - Gavin Crowley too seemed gassed with about 20 mins to go. 3. Jack Sherwood may not be the answer to the full back position - again, Foley/Enright or maybe Gavin Crowley could be accommodated. In the final analysis, the league was great and has provided good options going forward - we have achieved a great deal on the back of a few training sessions per week and with greater intensity to come, feel that we will have a big say in the destination of this years championship. Why would you say moving Tom shot us in the foot? I thought he did a really good job on Mcloughlin. His best position is at 7 but I would imagine that Gavin White will come in there later. It’s good to find out what lads can do in certain positions when asked. Absolutely agree about playing injured players it rarely works out. We were playing two players ( Tom O’S & Graham O’S ) out of position - think we should have gone with Graham @ 4, his natural position & Tom @ 7 - if there were problems, make a change - think with the selection we did not get the best out of either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 18:43:21 GMT
I would regard it a positive the fact that we have another man marker in Tom
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 18:44:17 GMT
Why would you say moving Tom shot us in the foot? I thought he did a really good job on Mcloughlin. His best position is at 7 but I would imagine that Gavin White will come in there later. It’s good to find out what lads can do in certain positions when asked. Absolutely agree about playing injured players it rarely works out. We were playing two players ( Tom O’S & Graham O’S ) out of position - think we should have gone with Graham @ 4, his natural position & Tom @ 7 - if there were problems, make a change - think with the selection we did not get the best out of either. Is Graham a natural no 4?
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Post by greengold35 on Apr 6, 2019 18:53:12 GMT
We were playing two players ( Tom O’S & Graham O’S ) out of position - think we should have gone with Graham @ 4, his natural position & Tom @ 7 - if there were problems, make a change - think with the selection we did not get the best out of either. Is Graham a natural no 4? Occupied that position in the Sigerson all year & played in the full back line @ minor level - think he is more at home there than wing back.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Apr 6, 2019 19:52:13 GMT
Why would you say moving Tom shot us in the foot? I thought he did a really good job on Mcloughlin. His best position is at 7 but I would imagine that Gavin White will come in there later. It’s good to find out what lads can do in certain positions when asked. Absolutely agree about playing injured players it rarely works out. We were playing two players ( Tom O’S & Graham O’S ) out of position - think we should have gone with Graham @ 4, his natural position & Tom @ 7 - if there were problems, make a change - think with the selection we did not get the best out of either. Problem there is that Graham would likely have struggled on Mcloughlin like O’Beaglaoich did in the first game. He’d be too physical for him. Tom is a much better match and held him to a point iirc. I can see Tom playing as a man marker later in the year as well because of the competition in the half back line and our lack of man markers further back Also Graham played half back for Under 20’s last year the position is not alien to him.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Apr 6, 2019 21:51:23 GMT
was Gavin OBrien fit for the league final Was wondering that myself. I was surprised that we did not see more of him last Sunday.
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