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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2019 22:20:10 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2019 22:55:46 GMT
was Gavin OBrien fit for the league final Yes!! Kerry could have done with Gavin oBrien as a target for kickouts apart from what he brings to the table in general play
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Post by glengael on Apr 8, 2019 9:16:36 GMT
As matter of interest, I met Liam Moggan on Sunday after Mayo's win, he is currently part of Mayo's backroom team.. While he was happy to see Mayo win, he has nothing but praise and a genuine fondness for the Kerry team. He was involved with the team in the run up to 2014 AI, Kieran O Leary mentioned him in his acceptance speech. There are a lot of journey men in the current GAA set up,managers and fitness coaches etc who move from county to county and indeed club to club with no tangible connection. I wouldn't castigate Donie, surely it is natural for him to congratulate the Mayo players he worked so closely with. I read Declan Bogue's book a few years back (the one J McGuinness wasn't happy with). The numbers of journey men in Ulster football was quite high. They were almost guaranteed to be meeting a former team every season.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Apr 8, 2019 22:23:31 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 13, 2019 10:15:30 GMT
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 13, 2019 14:42:42 GMT
Cute hoor? We’re not behind Galway and probably not Tyrone either.
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Post by Kingdomson on Apr 13, 2019 17:01:33 GMT
Cute hoor? We’re not behind Galway and probably not Tyrone either. Yes, we are behind those sides in terms of this Kerry team's development at the moment.
It's certainly a proven fact with Galway. In a portent for the future a hugely fancied Kerry under 21 team got a hosing from Galway in 2017 being cleaned out in midfield by Peter Cooke and in that same year Kevin Walsh was introducing the youth to Galway's senior team and they've been a year ahead of the curve with Kerry ever since. Galway were the team of the league last season and reached the final until they got the welcome to the big boys club meeting from Dublin in the League final. A year later it's Kerry against Mayo getting that same welcome.
I expected Galway to beat us last year in the super 8s and they duly did, again cleaning us out in midfield and showing far more grit and clearly ahead in terms of s&c. Galway have even more dangerous forwards than Mayo and the potential in Galway is truly untapped by Kevin Walsh as of yet but there are signs that Galway are going to be a lot more expansive in 2019 - then watch out! Tyrone are a seasoned outfit now and if they are determined to keep going more direct then they are dangerous opposition for any side. Ask yourself the question, and be honest, would we dominate the possession stakes against either Galway or Tyrone at the moment in the Championship? Would we dominate the midfield sector? My answer is emphatically no BUT it's not all negative. There's a very good and maybe even another great Kerry team coming down the line but it's going to take time and patience and at least 2 years including this one.
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Post by clarinman on Apr 13, 2019 17:26:41 GMT
Cute hoor? We’re not behind Galway and probably not Tyrone either. Yes, we are behind those sides in terms of this Kerry team's development at the moment.
It's certainly a proven fact with Galway. In a portent for the future a hugely fancied Kerry under 21 team got a hosing from Galway in 2017 being cleaned out in midfield by Peter Cooke and in that same year Kevin Walsh was introducing the youth to Galway's senior team and they've been a year ahead of the curve with Kerry ever since. Galway were the team of the league last season and reached the final until they got the welcome to the big boys club meeting from Dublin in the League final. A year later it's Kerry against Mayo getting that same welcome.
I expected Galway to beat us last year in the super 8s and they duly did, again cleaning us out in midfield and showing far more grit and clearly ahead in terms of s&c. Galway have even more dangerous forwards than Mayo and the potential in Galway is truly untapped by Kevin Walsh as of yet but there are signs that Galway are going to be a lot more expansive in 2019 - then watch out! Tyrone are a seasoned outfit now and if they are determined to keep going more direct then they are dangerous opposition for any side. Ask yourself the question, and be honest, would we dominate the possession stakes against either Galway or Tyrone at the moment in the Championship? Would we dominate the midfield sector? My answer is emphatically no BUT it's not all negative. There's a very good and maybe even another great Kerry team coming down the line but it's going to take time and patience and at least 2 years including this one. Agree that Galway have great potential up front but were you at the Galway Kerry league game in Tuam? I saw no evidence that day of Galway playing a more expansive game.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 13, 2019 17:36:31 GMT
Cute hoor? We’re not behind Galway and probably not Tyrone either. Yes, we are behind those sides in terms of this Kerry team's development at the moment.
It's certainly a proven fact with Galway. In a portent for the future a hugely fancied Kerry under 21 team got a hosing from Galway in 2017 being cleaned out in midfield by Peter Cooke and in that same year Kevin Walsh was introducing the youth to Galway's senior team and they've been a year ahead of the curve with Kerry ever since. Galway were the team of the league last season and reached the final until they got the welcome to the big boys club meeting from Dublin in the League final. A year later it's Kerry against Mayo getting that same welcome.
I expected Galway to beat us last year in the super 8s and they duly did, again cleaning us out in midfield and showing far more grit and clearly ahead in terms of s&c. Galway have even more dangerous forwards than Mayo and the potential in Galway is truly untapped by Kevin Walsh as of yet but there are signs that Galway are going to be a lot more expansive in 2019 - then watch out! Tyrone are a seasoned outfit now and if they are determined to keep going more direct then they are dangerous opposition for any side. Ask yourself the question, and be honest, would we dominate the possession stakes against either Galway or Tyrone at the moment in the Championship? Would we dominate the midfield sector? My answer is emphatically no BUT it's not all negative. There's a very good and maybe even another great Kerry team coming down the line but it's going to take time and patience and at least 2 years including this one. That post is sobering reading.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 13, 2019 17:39:55 GMT
If DC had got both goals at the start & end of the NFL final would Mayo, Galway & Tyrone be considered to be all ahead of Kerry now on here? Fancied Kerry to beat both Galway and Tyrone in the NFL final but maybe not Mayo as the results started coming in in round 7. Not convienced Mayo are well ahead of Kerry either to be honest. Looking forward to summer football.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2019 0:00:26 GMT
Cute hoor? We’re not behind Galway and probably not Tyrone either. Yes, we are behind those sides in terms of this Kerry team's development at the moment.
It's certainly a proven fact with Galway. In a portent for the future a hugely fancied Kerry under 21 team got a hosing from Galway in 2017 being cleaned out in midfield by Peter Cooke and in that same year Kevin Walsh was introducing the youth to Galway's senior team and they've been a year ahead of the curve with Kerry ever since. Galway were the team of the league last season and reached the final until they got the welcome to the big boys club meeting from Dublin in the League final. A year later it's Kerry against Mayo getting that same welcome.
I expected Galway to beat us last year in the super 8s and they duly did, again cleaning us out in midfield and showing far more grit and clearly ahead in terms of s&c. Galway have even more dangerous forwards than Mayo and the potential in Galway is truly untapped by Kevin Walsh as of yet but there are signs that Galway are going to be a lot more expansive in 2019 - then watch out! Tyrone are a seasoned outfit now and if they are determined to keep going more direct then they are dangerous opposition for any side. Ask yourself the question, and be honest, would we dominate the possession stakes against either Galway or Tyrone at the moment in the Championship? Would we dominate the midfield sector? My answer is emphatically no BUT it's not all negative. There's a very good and maybe even another great Kerry team coming down the line but it's going to take time and patience and at least 2 years including this one. Plus, Kerry are too nice at the moment. A bit like Kerry in the pre Jack era before the arrival of Aiden OMahony, Paul Galvin, Donaghy etc.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 14, 2019 0:16:48 GMT
It was a very interesting league, and an experience we here haven't had in a while! Not sure how I feel about the mark idea overall, I know that I hate to see the play stopped with a free kick like that especially in attack and for simple catches. Not for me, too much cut-and-thrust lost. Congestion needs to be sorted. Handpass rule needed but needs much better ruling etc.
Topsy turvy for several teams, hard to find a true form-line, Kerry the most consistent by far of the top teams, they should be well happy with it. No surprise they lost to Mayo, who finally came round a long, long loop to take this title and make a real statement about the rest of the season ahead. At last no excuses needed, even if those excuses were perhaps made more by outsiders.....
Alot of credit due to them considering the upheavals since 18 months ago and the feeling of many that they would be in transition. Personally I felt they had potentially one more big year in some of the old guard though Parsons loss was a big blow. Horan needs to find some more scoring at the high end of big championship games if they are to make it til august or September. That may yet emerge but its not at all clear that it will.
AOS finally looked like a top midfielder, though the jury has to be out on that after all these years, and if he is to make the role his own and for Mayo to take the final step he really needs to contribute some scores in the biggest games which seems unlikely. So how, barring a miracle recovery, will they replace Parsons if Aido proves to be not the answer? Andy Moran in the subs role is a no brainer if they can replace what he offered in the first 50 minutes of major games. That will certainly make them stronger up front overall.
Hard to know what lead to Dublin/Gavin not living up to the standards set in each of the last six league campaigns. Up til the Tyrone game it wasn't much at all really compared to some of those years but that reverse was a blow given the better side won with a bit to spare. Kick up the ass or loss of hunger/edge/intensity etc etc? Missing players and some over the hill/lacking form appeared to be a factor. Not the usual couple of real new finds/developments from previous years either, except maybe Gavin.
Potentially most vulnerable areas are fullbacks, no guarantee that a returning McMahon is at the required level anymore, he hasn't appeared to have been the player he was a couple of years ago in any case. The alternatives are unproven. COS may be needed there, which would mean probably CK to CHB which would be a big loss in attack. And if COS is still at half back, there have been signs that he's either on a downcurve or can't get fully fit. I have faith in John Small though who is very proven. Not a playmaker as such but I'd rather that option than Kilkenny moved back. I'm not worried about the discipline thing other than that he's, a marked man but under Gavin lads seem to be stepping up to the plate when tgat sort of challenge becomes potentially critical.
I think we need Howard in the forwards and we need Con to fulfill the potential that he has promised. Or would love to see someone like Paddy Small emerge. Which means we also need at least 50 top standard minutes from McCauley, or Gavin would have to prove to be consistently able, alit to ask at this stage thought it has happened for one or two others previously. Our bench is not what it was if the likes of Kevin can no longer have the impact he used to have, as appears to be the case, along with the fading out of Flynn and Brogan. All of these little things or small margins, add up to them being beatable by more than just a ravenous Mayo putting everything into the last games of the year. I think the league showed that three or four teams have the real potential to beat them if their standard is down by 10-15% on previous years. Galway maybe not quite there and Kerry still to prove what the signs may be showing.
Everything for Dublin will need to be right and every championship game will be huge, even the Leinster ones to some extent. Every opponent will want a shot at beating this team, I just hope they rise to the challenge and take it down to the wire later in summer. No matter what anybody here and elsewhere might say, nothing would be worse, and nobody really wants an anti-climactic finish to this era by defeat before the final or some sort of classic semi-final with replays and campaigns to have them banned from Croker! 😀 😉 Good to see Meath on an up-curve at last. Kildare need something more. Westmeath are pretty consistent despite their league yo-yoing. If any team deserves a very unlikely Leinster breakthrough it's them.
Tyrone I have been saying for a while have been making gradual progress each year. And each year people scoff and say it's lip-service and so on. People said they weren't really in the final last year because of how it finished up but when you look at the context of where they were after the 2017 semi-final, last year was real progress. They took that chance of being filleted in a more open game against Dublin and weren't. They lacked/?lack enough real quality up front against the best opposition but otherwise this two years seems to be bringing them to a point where MH may finally be about to maximise the resources at his disposal. It's been a brave journey for him from a type of football he seemed welded to. Whatever happens next the accusation that he wouldn't leave Tyrone football in such a good state when he goes can surely be dropped now, especially if they have another really good championship.
Galway seem to have much potential and everyone says Walsh is stifling it. He's an intelligent man I'm sure so it's hard to know really what's going on. It's tempting to say they've plateaued or whatever the clichée of the moment is. I think though that if/when they come to play Mayo in summer it's going to be the biggest show-down of the era for those two and would define alot for both teams thereafter. I'm not writing off Ros but if Mayo Vs Galway comes to pass I think it's a must-win for Mayo, and that defeat for Galway could mean the start of the end for Walsh, unless he is actually moving their tactics/style of play forward. If the latter then the qualifiers might actually afford them the maximum opportunity to develop. But it's hard to escape the conclusion that Walsh has left it too long. Then again, similar has been said about Mickey Harte the past few years.
If Mayo win Connaught, the hype that they've controlled (or has finally just subsided after years!) will build up but at least they will have some real achievement and great momentum upon which to base their ascent up the mountain this time. It could just be that the moment they started to get written off turned out to be the time they found both redemption and the missing piece of the jigsaw. But in the real world, will Horan's tactics stand up to the highest scrutiny? Has he learned and the ability to put it into action? And will they get luck? When Dublin won the 95 All Ire after years of coming close they did so because of two main things - they discovered a bit extra in midfield and up front. And perhaps more importantly they didn't have to play one of the best three teams of the previous four years/of that era. Cork was the best quality squad they faced but they were well past their best/in transition. Tyrone only stayed in the final because Canavan was a true great. So is the timing just right for Mayo?
Donegal have real potential but I don't think they have enough overall to reach the final. Could shock one of the top four on a given day and will never fear Monaghan and not really fear Tyrone. Monaghan took a break in the league this year I feel and are trying to do a Mayo on it for one great push to make a final, I woukd love to see it happen. Potentially an amazing summer ahead. Everything has to fall into place for them. Last year's semi-final will have really brought them on, I think they can do it, next year if not this.
So where do Kerry stand now? They showed they could match and beat all except Mayo, and they have Clifford only just returning. They know they need to sort out the backs. I feel they need the, TWalsh thing to bear greater fruit, he and JOD, who needs to rediscover his form if like Walsh his body allows it, as these are the guts with the necessary experience to bring the younger lads to the next level. Similarly Moran needs, a consistent run of form and optimal physical condition. Realistically they need two out of this three to happen for me, if they are to challenge for Sam. I would expect that Keane & Co will come up with a plan to get a better defensive unit working, sooner or later.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2019 10:02:35 GMT
Mention of 1995....
Exactly 21 years apart. 1995 and 2016. Two picks off the ground in the last seconds of the All Ireland Final. Both calls went with Dublin. Not to mention the handy last second frees in 2011 and 2017. Why is it that only the Dubs get these calls. Is it all down to the home team getting the advantage?
Giving the last minute free "to make an ould draw of it" is part and parcel of the GAA for 100 years. I sort of like that to an extent.
There is growing evidence of a new normal now in tight finals... "Handing the game to Dublin".
I sort of dont like that!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 12, 2019 15:54:32 GMT
Leitrim are going to win Connacht. Ah well.
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